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Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner addresses claims about Nazi-linked tattoo

  

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Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner addresses claims about Nazi-linked tattoo

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PORTLAND, Maine —

Maine oyster farmer and military veteran Graham Platner, who is running for U.S. Senate, has addressed claims made by his political opponents that he has a tattoo affiliated with Nazis.

Platner appeared on "Pod Save America," a political podcast hosted by former aides to former President Barack Obama, and provided video to host Tommy Vietor that showed the Democratic candidate in his underwear at his brother's wedding in 2015, lip-syncing to the Miley Cyrus song "Wrecking Ball."


Platner's team shared the video with the podcast because the video shows Platner has a skull-and-crossbones tattoo on his chest, which some of his political opponents claim is the symbol "Totenkopf," German for "death's head."

According to the Anti-Defamation League, Hitler's Schutzstaffel (SS) adopted a particular Totenkopf image as a symbol during the Nazi era.   The ADL said   it became a symbol of the SS branch responsible for guarding the concentration camps, and that many members of that branch became the core of an SS division that engaged in a number of war crimes during World War II.

Platner said he got the tattoo in 2007, during his third deployment with the U.S. Marine Corps.

"We went ashore in Split, Croatia, myself and a few of the other machine gun squad leaders, and we got very inebriated and we just did what Marines on liberty do and we decided to go get a tattoo," Platner said. "We chose a terrifying-looking skull and crossbones off the wall because we were Marines and skulls and crossbones are a pretty standard military thing, and we got those tattoos and then we all moved on with our lives."

Platner later joined the Army National Guard and got screened at a Military Entrance Processing Station, a process that determined he met the physical, mental and moral standards set by the Army.

Army policy prohibits soldiers from having tattoo designs that contain any offensive, extremist or hateful words or images. Company commanders perform annual inspections of tattoos so that the tattoos remain within Army regulations. Soldiers who have tattoos that do not meet the Army's restrictions are counseled, and then have 15 days to explain to commanders whether they will have the tattoos removed or altered. Soldiers who do not comply face potential separation.

In addition, Platner said he received a full screening when he went to work for the State Department as a contractor. He was cleared for a security detail for the ambassador for Afghanistan in 2018.

"At no point in this entire experience of my life did anybody ever once say: 'Hey, you're a Nazi.' It never came up until we got wind that in the opposition research, somebody was shopping the idea that I was a secret Nazi with a hidden Nazi tattoo,"   Platner said on the podcast . "I can honestly say that if I was trying to hide it, I've not been doing a very good job for the past 18 years."

The podcast appearance comes on the heels of Platner's political director, former State Rep. Genevieve McDonald,   resigning over controversial comments Platner made in the past   on the social media platform Reddit.

Platner addressed those Reddit comments, which had been deleted, during an interview with Maine's Total Coverage.


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Sean Treacy
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1  seeder  Sean Treacy    last year

A Nazi tattoo.. No wonder the Bernie Sanders progressives are his biggest supporters. 

They'll probably rationalize supporting him because although they know he's a Nazi, he must stop Susan Collins who sometimes votes in favor of someone who they are convinced is a Nazi even if they have no evidence of it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  seeder  Sean Treacy    last year
"According to a person who socialized with Platner when he was living in Washington, D.C., more than a decade ago, Platner had specifically acknowledged that the tattoo was a Totenkopf, the “death’s head” symbol adopted by an infamous Nazi SS unit that guarded concentration camps in World War II."
"“He said, ‘Oh, this is my Totenkopf,’” the former acquaintance told Jewish Insider recently, speaking on the condition of anonymity to address a sensitive issue. “He said it in a cutesy little way.”
 
 
 
Tacos!
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3  Tacos!    last year

I love the part where we get to see the tattoo.

Spoiler: we don’t. Journalism sucks anymore.

Anyway, I googled it, and it’s totally the Totenkopf. Does this make him a Nazi or a wannabe Nazi? Not necessarily. Unfortunately, nazis and similar groups have appropriated certain symbols for their own use and ruined them for everyone else.

"We went ashore in Split, Croatia, myself and a few of the other machine gun squad leaders, and we got very inebriated and we just did what Marines on liberty do and we decided to go get a tattoo," Platner said. "We chose a terrifying-looking skull and crossbones off the wall because we were Marines and skulls and crossbones are a pretty standard military thing, and we got those tattoos and then we all moved on with our lives."

If I were him, I would look into getting it turned into something else.

I don’t know anything about the guy, but the fact that he is willing to say he said or did stuff earlier in his life that he doesn’t believe in now is actually somewhat promising. We can all change and grow. In fact, that seems like a worthy goal for anyone.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tacos! @3    last year

They act like the people are stupid. Every gesture from their opponents is a Nazi gesture or a Nazi symbol.
Can anyone answer this:

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George
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3.1.1  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    last year

Maybe because it’s not news worthy or surprising when actual NAZI’s give a NAZI salute?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4  Hal A. Lujah    last year

Three things I’ve never had because they just have a tendency to age horribly, hurt people accidentally, or straight up get you fired - tattoos, guns, and social media.  If you don’t have them you not only don’t have to worry about those downsides but you are more unique than everyone who gets these things in an effort to make themselves unique.  Go to the beach and you can probably count on one hand the number of people who have not gotten inked.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    last year

I've never had a tattoo , never owned a gun, but I do dabble a tiny bit in social media. I mostly use it as a news curator, which twitter is very good at if you know how to do it. 

Tattoos have always struck me as kind of freakish, like a carnival sideshow act.  I am willing to admit objection to tattoos is probably age specific though. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    last year

My Apple News app does a good job of aggregating.  More and more sources are throwing up paywalls though.  I can still see the article title though, so if it sounds interesting I just google the topic to look for free sources.  Didn’t even have to download an app, it just comes with the phone.

I once considered a tattoo and got as far as drawing it out.  This was about 30 years ago, and at that time it would have had meaning and a message.  I would be embarrassed to have it now.  Symbolism and taboo ebb and flow in cultures over time.  I imagine a lot of people experience tattoo regret.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    last year
I am willing to admit objection to tattoos is probably age specific though. 

Yes, there was a time when people were clean cut.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    last year
a time when people were clean cut

... 1939

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @4.1.3    last year

A time when those with tattoos you consider "Untermensch"?  

 
 
 
freepress
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5  freepress    last year

Well he can flip easily to being a Republican because they will embrace him.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  freepress @5    last year

Not a single democrat has called on him to stop running.  Of course, How could the party of talib and mamdani do that?  A guy with a literal SS tattoo. The people who claim to see Nazi dog whistles everywhere, just go on with their business as usual.  The same party that was freaking out over text messages from 25 year old nobides is fine with a literal Nazi 

progressive hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1    last year
Not a single democrat has called on him to stop running.

Other than the tattoo, is there a reason they should?

A guy with a literal SS tattoo.

It’s not exclusively an SS tattoo.

The same party that was freaking out over text messages

It’s like 3000 pages of text messages and they’re explicitly expressing Nazi white supremacy ideology. There’s no room for any other interpretation.

from 25 year old nobides

So, adults. Apparently, politically organized adults who support the Republican Party. And rather than condemn the content of their texts, Republicans are trying to dismiss them as not important or young and dumb.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    last year
Other than the tattoo, is there a reason they should?

So you agree leftists should never had demanded Hegseth be removed from consideration or resign as DoW because of his tattoos.

Good to know.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.4  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    last year

No one will ever accuse me  of being overly soft on Democrats.  But even up to yesterday if someone asked me, "will Democrats reject a candidate for branding the symbology of the most despicable part of the most heinous regime on their body?"  I would say yes.  Sure, they might be incredible hypocrites with almost no principles or standards other than obtaining power, but no SS tattoos is a such a low bar even they  would require their candidates to clear it.  They maybe all too eager to appropriate the symbology of communist regimes that murdered 100 million people, but at least, at the very least, they understand how destructive and reprehensible the Nazi regime was.

Can’t even say that anymore. Now they are waiting to see what the voters say.  They are perfectly willing to caucus with a Nazi if the Nazi can win. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.5  seeder  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @5.1.3    last year
 leftists should never had demanded Hegseth be removed from consideration or resign as DoW because of his tattoos.

I doubt it., Hegseth had a cross and to a progressive that's worse than an SS Totenkopf

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.6  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.5    last year
Hegseth had a cross and to a progressive that's worse than an SS Totenkopf

That is very true. They react like vampires to a cross.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.5    last year

My guess is this guy is really a conservative, but he knew no Republican would accept him if the word of his tattoo would get out, but that progressives would just shrug it off as "meh, it's just a tattoo".

He was right.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @5.1.7    last year

the stupidest comment today

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.9  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.8    last year
the stupidest comment today

See 5.1.8 for what you seek

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.10  Trout Giggles  impassed  bugsy @5.1.9    last year
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Tacos!
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5.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @5.1.3    last year
So you agree leftists should never had demanded Hegseth be removed from consideration or resign as DoW because of his tattoos.

I don’t know of anyone who called for that based solely on his tattoos. But then I don’t spend a lot of time obsessing over that stuff, like some people apparently do.

Good to know.

Knowing does not equal wisdom.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.4    last year

You seem to be exclusively focused on the tattoo, so i will repeat my question.

Other than the tattoo, is there a reason Democrats - or anyone else - should not support him?

I don’t recall seeing anything in the seed that mentioned what party he belonged to, so I was not considering that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    last year
"At no point in this entire experience of my life did anybody ever once say: 'Hey, you're a Nazi.' It never came up until we got wind that in the opposition research, somebody was shopping the idea that I was a secret Nazi with a hidden Nazi tattoo,"      Platner said on the podcast  . "I can honestly say that if I was trying to hide it, I've not been doing a very good job for the past 18 years."

That's easy to do when the "tattoo inspections" weren't being carried out.  The tattoo policy looks good on paper but is very rarely carried out.  During my career the ONLY tattoo inspection I had was in 1998.  Served 26 years and only one "inspection" under this policy was carried out.

So, yes, I'm questioning that it was seen in the first place.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7  Trout Giggles    last year

I see democrats being called hypocrites all up and down this seed. Well, this is one Democrat who won't go that route. He needs to drop out. I was reading about this on Blue Sky yesterday. He told an aquaintance that it is his totenkopf. He knows what it is and what it means.

Drop out of the race, Platner and democrats get your heads out of your asses. Be better than our MAGA alternatives

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.1  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @7    last year

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Trout Giggles
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7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @7.1    last year

I don't need or want your approval

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.1    last year

Don't care.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @7    last year

Democrats need to get their heads out of their asses, but agreeing with MAGA fanatics is not the right way to go about.  Trumpism would not survive without "whataboutism". "Bothsidesism" is by far the biggest impediment to bringing sanity back. 

Trump was allowed by our media to claim that he was the victim in the 2020 election , the Mueller investigation and the documents case. We have right wing members on here now who do almost nothing but "both sides" or "whatabout" every vile thing Trump does, saying there is an equivalent or worse on the left. Its all nonsense. 

A little way up this seed there is an image of a social media post by Libs Of Tik Tok, a far right social media creator, purporting to show various Democrats giving a nazi salute.  Induldge me by letting me post this long analysis

www.newsweek.com   /barack-obama-kamala-harris-nazi-salutes-elon-musk-2019092

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama, Kamala Harris Make ‘Nazi’ Salutes?

Tom Norton 9-11 minutes


The controversy around   Elon Musk 's inauguration "gesture", which some on social media have compared to a Nazi salute, has led to the reemergence of photos of   Barack Obama ,   Elizabeth Warren ,   Hillary Clinton , and   Kamala Harris , striking poses with their arms outstretched in similar fashion.

Musk, who has been picked by President   Donald Trump   to lead a government-wide cost-cutting operation called DOGE, caused controversy on Monday after twice making a hand gesture in front of the crowd at Capital One Arena in Washington D.C. that bore similarity to the "Sieg Heil" Nazi salute. Popularized in 18th- and 19th-century art depicting Romans, the gesture was co-opted by Adolf Hitler's German Nazi party and has been kept alive ever since by neo-Nazi groups.

The   Tesla   and   SpaceX   billionaire   said the claims it was a Nazi salute was a "dirty trick ." Responding to a user on his social media platform X (formerly   Twitter ) on Monday night, Musk said "Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The 'everyone is Hitler' attack is sooo tired."

Within the controversy that followed, conservative social media users dug up pictures of   Democrats   to suggest there was a double standard at play.

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Former U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Barack Obama at the James R Hallford Stadium on October 24, 2024, in Clarkston, Georgia. | Joe Raedle/Getty Images/Getty Images

The Claim

A post on X , formerly Twitter, by the right-wing account Libs of   TikTok , posted on January 21, 2025, and viewed more than 100 million times, showed photos of Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, and Kamala Harris, holding their arms diagonally straight above their head.

The post read: "Can someone direct me to the articles where the media expressed outrage over this? Can't find any..."

In a follow-up post, viewed more than 90 million times, Elon Musk wrote: "The legacy media is pure propaganda. You are the media now."

Another post   by the account Doge Designer, posted on January 20, 2025, included the photos of Obama and Harris, and wrote: "Why isn't   CNN   showing this?

"'Obama and Kamala performing a Nazi salute.'"

A post   by user Sassafrass84, posted on January 21, 2025, included the photos and said: "Here, we go again with the msm narrative. Calling Elon a nazi. Does this make Obama, Hillary, and kamala one too?"

The Facts

Nobody, barring Musk himself, knows what the intention behind Musk's gesture was. His defenders may see nothing dubious or referential in the gesture; what the posts above imply is that others should also face the same scrutiny for similar gestures, again regardless of their intentions.

However, these photos have been stripped of context and, in their original context, are not the same as the gesture Musk made. Without speculating on Musk's intention, there are only limited similarities between the images of the gestures made by Obama, Harris, Clinton, and Warren and the gesture made by Musk.

The photo of Hillary Clinton was taken from a December 2007 rally, captured by   Associated Press photographer Rex Arbogast.   Newsweek   could not find video footage from the event that further contextualized the photo.

There is not enough information to show how Clinton addressed the audience or if there were more convincing similarities to a fascist gesture.   Newsweek   found no reports or accusations that suggested Clinton had made such a mistake. Clinton has   repeatedly condemned white supremacy.

Newsweek   has contacted a media representative for the Clinton Foundation via email for comment.

Elizabeth Warren's photo is a screengrab from footage of the   2016 Democratic National Convention , where Warren spoke onstage. As the footage shows, Warren waved, clapped, and gestured to the crowd, as she thanked "Massachusetts for the great honor of serving you as your Senator." At one point, Warren clapped and threw her arm up straight, following it with a wave.

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren at the 2016 Democratic National Convention. | Democratic National Convention Official YouTube Channel/Democratic National Convention Official YouTube Channel

Newsweek   has contacted a media representative for Warren via email for comment.

Neither   Harris nor Obama made a   gesture that could be reasonably considered a salute; both can be seen holding their arms out at their side.

The photo of Obama, captured by AFP photographer Saul Loeb in January 2010, was from a   Republican   GOP House Issues Conference in Baltimore, Maryland. Footage of the event is available on   YouTube.

Although it's hard to tell the moment the photo was taken, Obama makes a gesture similar to the photo   around halfway through the conference   while discussing healthcare.

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Former President Barack Obama answers a question at the Republican GOP House Issues Conference in Baltimore, Maryland, on January 29, 2010. | SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images

Kamala Harris's photo was screengrabbed from the 2019 South Carolina   Democratic Party   Convention in Columbia, S.C.   Harris can be seen in footage available online , repeatedly pointing in the air to her side as she criticized President Donald Trump. Her movement bore no convincing similarity to fascist symbology or the gesture Musk made.

Newsweek   has contacted a media representative for Harris via email for comment.

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Kamala Harris at the 2019 South Carolina Democratic Party Convention. | C-SPAN/C-SPAN

It should be noted, to address the claims of a double standard, that the attention by critics on Musk's gesture has been fueled by his recent political remarks.

The social media posts do not mention Musk's recent support of  far-right political figures and causes. In January 2025, Musk called for Tommy Robinson, arguably the U.K.'s most prominent far-right figure, to be released from prison.  Robinson, real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is currently serving an 18-month prison sentence for contempt of court after he aired a documentary that a judge said contained libelous claims about a 15-year-old Syrian refugee. It is his fifth prison term.

Musk has also said that the German far-right political party Alternative for Germany (AfD) is the "only" party that can "save Germany," while rejecting the idea that the party is "rightwing extremist."   The Anti-Defamation League   has referred to the AfD as "an extremist, anti-immigrant party." In May 2024, a German court rejected an appeal by the AfD against its classification as a "suspected" far-right extremist organization, as reported by German media outlet   Deutsche Welle.

"The court finds there is sufficient evidence that the AfD pursues goals that run against the human dignity of certain groups and against democracy," judges of the court wrote. The AfD said it would make another appeal.

While   Newsweek   cannot verify the intention of Musk's inauguration gesture, none of the Democratic politicians mentioned above have expressed support for the far-right groups or individuals that Musk has, a fact neglected from the social media posts by Libs of TikTok and others.

The gesture that Musk made also bears a more similar resemblance to  Hitler's fascist gesture,  adopted by  modern-era hard-right groups , of repeatedly moving the arm from the chest and into a salute. While Musk repeated his gesture only twice, there is an arguable similarity, regardless of Musk's intention.

Newsweek   has contacted media representatives for Tesla, X, and SpaceX via email for comment.

Reaction to Musk's behavior has been mixed. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL),   posting   in part in response to criticism of Musk's gesture on X, wrote: "It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge.

"In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath."

In response to the ADL, Democratic Congresswoman   Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez   wrote: "Just to be clear, you are defending a Heil Hitler salute that was performed and repeated for emphasis and clarity.

"People can officially stop listening to you as any sort of reputable source of information now. You work for them. Thank you for making that crystal clear to all."

Libs of TikTok, the social media account that has received the most views for making the comparison between Musk and other public figures, is considered a highly influential right-wing commentator whose content has been promoted by Donald Trump Jr., and   Tucker Carlson   among other conservatives.

The Ruling

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Misleading Material

Misleading Material.

All of these images have been stripped of context and there is no verifiable information that these figures made a "Nazi" salute. The photos of Harris and Obama do not depict what could be understood, even insincerely, as that gesture.

None of the Democratic politicians referred to have supported the prominent far-right figures that Musk has recently shown admiration of, a fact neglected from the social media posts by Libs of TikTok and others despite the claims of a double standard.

Musk has referred to the argument against him as "dirty tricks" and   Newsweek   is not making a judgment as to the intention behind his own gesture.

The claims specifically against Obama, Harris, Clinton, or Warren are misleading because they are based on media that has been altered from its original form, either intentionally or unintentionally.

FACT CHECK BY Newsweek's Fact Check team

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    last year

The nazi salutes pictured up top are fake, I'm sure. 

I'm not doing whataboutism here, John. I'm stating an opinion that I wished was shared by more like minded people. I'm not going full turd MAGA here. I just want people to stop saying one thing and then doing another.

If we are to have any credibility we have to condemn people like Platner.

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.2.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2    last year

This is by far one of the dumbest fact checks ever published.

Of course those people were not giving nazi salutes, however, correctly, those on the right only pointed out the stupidity of many on the left when they tried to say certain people on the right were giving nazi salutes when it was obvious they were only waving to crowds. 

Somebody wasted their time typing so much to prove absolutely nothing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.1    last year

I'm not going to reply on this to Bugsy because it would be a waste of time. The reason Musk was accused of making a Nazi salute is because it looks like a Nazi salute. In the video we see Musk throw his arm out in a forceful way, somewhat similar to this 

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Elon Musk has chosen to associate himself with far right elements in Europe that are associated with neo-Nazism. 

The far-right German party AfD has been increasingly linked to neo-Nazi groups through shared ideology, public events, and controversial rhetoric. copilot

Elon Musk spoke at an AfD rally.   So it is natural to wonder what Musk is doing in the photo, it is not natural to wonder what the Democrats are doing. 

I couldnt care less about Platner, he is not worth the trouble. 

Trump and his cultism cannot be defended, but bothsideism lets them get that foot in the door. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.3    last year

Elon definitely threw a nazi salute

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.4    last year

it comes natural to him ...

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.2.6  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.3    last year

The pictures you posted above look EXACTLY the same as what Elon is doing.

There is only one reason why you don't see the similarities.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @7.2.6    last year

I just posted a Newsweek fact check that shows the Democrats were not doing a Nazi salute. They were waving to their audiences.

It is NOT unfair to wonder if Musk was unconsciously doing a Nazi salute BECAUSE he has chosen to associate with neo Nazi sympathizers. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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7.2.8  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.7    last year

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JohnRussell
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7.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @7    last year

TG, I am not criticizing your disapproval of this Democrat talked about in the seed, it sounds like he is not good candidate material.  What I am saying is that bothsidesism is hurting this country badly,  and a good part of why Trump is now claiming we owe him 230 million dollars. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3    last year

see my comment in 7.2.1

 
 

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