The gunslinger who came down from the hill.
Link to quote: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5592169-gop-filibuster-trump-pressure/
As we can now see democrats have decided to oppose everything Trump does. They have shut down the government and demand that the President subsidize Obamacare which was called the "Affordable Care" Act. There is not much affordable about Obamacare. Nor does it make sense for Republicans to be blackmailed. Despite the pain the shutdown is causing, democrats seem to be emboldened because they recently won elections they were supposed to win.
Now Trump has called for congressional Republicans to end the filibuster, which would mean the GOP could do anything it wanted with a simple majority, Such an idea had long been proposed by democrats. Not long ago democrats proposed doing it when they held power to stack the Supreme Court and create two democrat bastions as states. As radical as that was they never really pulled the trigger. Both sides have been reluctant to do it because it would leave the minority party powerless to stop anything.
They underestimated Trump. Trump knows he has one of two choices: either get nothing done the next three years or get every bit of his agenda enacted into law. The President has 3 years to finish the job he started and he intends to get it done. He is now pressuring Republicans to end the filibuster.
Like the gunslinger who came down from the hill, Trump is not done.
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Key Senators are already on board.
Elimination of the filibuster would be the single worst decision of the 21st century so far.
"Congress shall make no law" are the most important words in the Constitution.
The filibuster is not part of the Constitution. It is a Senate rule devised to force a consensus.
As you can see, Democrats are not interested in finding common ground with anything involving this President.
Obviously not. It merely supports the spirit of the document.
It has been a primary force in keeping our country from making truly awful decisions.
To support its abolition is to endorse the competence, effectiveness and good will of the United States Congress despite all the available evidence supporting exactly the opposite.
I wish it were so, but we no longer live in rational times.
Which is why the filibuster is all the more important.
The last thing we want to do is codify irrationality.
Agreed.. and it is a 2-way street. There are simply not enough adults in congress to make that big of a decision for the future of this great nation .. it should not even be an option!
In that case Thune should enshrine it as a Senate rule by requiring a 2/3s majority to change an existing Senate rule.
Nice to hear from you again Colour. Please don't send any more strays.
It would be interesting to see how folks would for it. Probably more than would vote for term limits.
I do not think that is such a bad idea .. AOC may be heading to the senate if she primaries Shumer ... so yeah enshrine it before the lunatics run the asylum!
Me? Strays? I am a virgin with a Halo, very fragile and sensitive ... : )
Term limits need to be addressed .. SOON! I do not pretend to have a magic number for how long someone should be allowed to serve - but governors and the presidents have a limit to their reign .. why not Congress?
I'm hoping she has bigger ambitions.
They voted on that during Gingrich's "Contract with America." It never passed.
Because it's the foxes voting to control their access to the chicken coop.
About the only way I can see term limits being imposed on Congress would be through a Constitutional Convention. But with the country so divided, I don't see such a convention ever happening. And TBH I'm thankful it won't happen as it's also a big concern what else would be brought up by the extreme partisans from each side.
You are right. It is very unlikely.
Is it such a bad thing? I really don't know.
If the ACA did was the Democrats had claimed, there is no need for subsidies.
Ending the filibuster now would send the Democrats and the left into one hell of a tantrum. The idiotic and unfounded claims from Democrats (who have acted in fascist manner multiple times already) and the left that "Trump is a fascist" would increase.
They dodged the bullet. Last night the dems finally backed down and opened the government.
The gov't's not open yet. Still has to go thru the house! I thought you knew how these things worked!
I don't think it's over for them yet. Democrats still have to answer to their constituents as to why they caused such a hardship.
Those that went against the party will be targeted.
I'm sure there will be a price to pay. This next year is very important.
The House would certainly go along with passing their original CR bill
Do you have a crystal ball?
I hope they do but you aren't Carmack the Magnificent.
I have reason & logic.
sure
It was all done last night, exactly as I said.
The dems tried to pull all the shit they could, but the shutdown is officially over.
What would Republicans do with a simple majority vote? Eliminate the Postal Service? Kill Social Security and Medicare? Eliminate all taxes? Replace our currency with crypto?
Donald Trump is destroying American values, traditions, history, and heritage. Is that really going to make Republicans more electable? The TEA Party has killed MAGA so now Republicans have nothing to run on. Democrats are going to regain control of the Senate; that's inevitable now. (There's no way to gerrymander the Senate.)
Trump has pushed the Republican Party off the cliff in less than 10 months. The Republican brand has been so damaged that the party may not be able to save itself now.
Why is it do you think that the Republicans dont care about this?
MAGA was supposed to be about common sense governing. But that common sense approach requires spending public money for the public good. Common sense taxation would be necessary for common sense spending. But the TEA Party objects to any government spending and all government programs that provide a public good. The TEA Party only believes in government benefiting those with money. That's why the TEA Party had to kill MAGA.
Who among Republicans have objected to destruction of the East Wing? Or objected to turning the Oval Office into a gold plated bordello? Or objected to paving over the Rose Garden? Or objected to a gawd awful, tasteless remodel of the Truman bathroom? The TEA Party doesn't care because private money is being used to destroy those public assets. The TEA Party objected to Trump's military parade because it cost money. The TEA Party only cares about money.
The TEA Party would willingly sell their mother's left testicle and then would brag about their business acumen if someone was stupid enough to buy it.
The Republican Party is now controlled by the TEA Party. The TEA Party only cares about making a quick buck. And the TEA Party won't let American values, traditions, history, or heritage stand between them and that quick buck. The TEA Party has always been a mercenary political movement willing to destroy everything for a quick buck.
It's necessary to understand the distinction between the TEA Party and MAGA.
The TEA Party emerged as an anti-establishment movement opposed to taxation and big government. The TEA Party emphasized shrinking government so that fewer taxes were needed. The TEA Party pursued tax cuts with the idea that reducing government revenue would force the elimination of programs.
MAGA emerged as a movement to restore Constitutional government based on the ideas of Originalism. MAGA wanted to end judicial legislation from the bench, Congress delegating Constitutional responsibilities to independent agencies, and Presidential overreach for war powers and failure to enforce law by executive order. MAGA wanted government to work the way the Constitution intended the government to work. MAGA was not an anti-establishment, anti-tax, or small government movement.
The TEA Party was about what the government does. MAGA was about how the government is supposed to work.
Admit it, Nerm. Your beloved MAGA flipped on its head because all they want to do is worship at trmp's swollen feet
I have said many, many times that the TEA Party would kill MAGA.
Anything Democrats (and liberals) have to say about MAGA, Trump, or anything to do with Republicans doesn't mean much. Democrats are so ignorant that they're still chasing NAZIs. How many times have the left-wing of the Democratic Party called for ending the filibuster? So, left-wing Democrats and Trump have a whole lot in common, don't they?
I thought Nerm said that he was a democrat?
Could it be that on those occasions when he sought to be objective, some tagged him as MAGA?
Lifelong Democrat (Roosevelt progressive - that's Teddy and Franklin) until the party betrayed my loyalty by using dirty tricks to nominate Hillary Clinton. Now I am strictly Independent. I did not vote for either Clinton or Trump in 2016.
I supported the MAGA emphasis on restoring Constitutional government. The Constitution spells out the separate authority and responsibilities of the three branches of government. MAGA was NOT about cutting taxes and shrinking government.
Trump's first term convinced me that he would destroy the status quo of government by political expedient. But now Trump has abandoned MAGA and turned TEA Party. Trump has drowned MAGA in Newt Gingrich's bathtub.
Trump is just another worthless TEA Party idiot who wants to die with the most toys. Trump is no longer about MAGA, the Constitution, or America. Trump has become just another Republican shit stain on history.
Seems you've been wrong a few times today,Vic
In a few hours I'll be right once again.
don't count on it
Expedience? You know, MAGA wasn't real fond of the Republican Party or the TEA Party in 2016. The establishment Reagan Republicans were kicked to the curb early on. And TEA Party Cruz hung on but really didn't fare that well. Trump and MAGA soundly beat the Republican Party during the 2016 primaries.
MAGA don't give a shit about the Republican brand. The Republican Party has only been a place where MAGA hangs its hat. Trump brought a lot of non-voters into the Republican Party in 2016. Returning to the old, tired political games means these MAGA voters won't stick around. They'll just stop voting again.
There is truth to what you say
Conservatism still exists within the Republican party. There is of course a more important issue to deal with and that is the left and MAGA is the way forward.
He never was.
The problem is to avoid backsliding into the conservatism that never-Trumpers are comfortable with. Trump turning his back on MAGA isn't helping, either. Turning the White House into a glitter palace, calling MAGA opposition Democrats, opening the border for Chinese students, throwing farmers under the bus for Argentina, and claiming the US must have H1-B workers or go bankrupt ain't MAGA in any way, shape, or form. Trump has shot himself in the foot with a M777. For MAGA to continue, there will need to be a Republican voice of opposition to Trump. MTG might pull it off but the TEA Party will try to push her out.
If Republicans go back to TEA Party nonsense with Trump leading the way, then the non-voters Trump brought into the party will stop voting.
There is no Tea Party. The Obama IRS destroyed it in 2012.
Wasn't Paul Ryan Speaker of the House for most of Trump's first term? Ryan wasn't MAGA.
It is true the electorate rejected the TEA Party in 2012 with Obama's reelection. But the TEA Party insurgents had become incumbents who liked feeding at the public trough. So, the TEA Party had to give up their tricorn hats.
Trump has called for congressional Republicans to end the filibuster, which would mean the GOP could do anything it wanted with a simple majority
that would be incredibly dumb. Everything he does could then simply be undone with the types of majorityy Biden had and democrats as the activist party will do so much more damage with type of power,
it’s incredibly reckless and the type of short term thinking democrats usually engage in. If democrats want to strip all protections for minority positions from the government let it be on their head.
It would be nice if you could simply express a thought without reflexively tossing in some trollish comment about Democrats. Trump is pushing the nuclear option on Republicans, and instead of stopping at how stupid that is, you can’t help but claim that this is something democrats would do. It exists because neither party has exercised a decision to eliminate the filibuster. Yet at a time when the unambiguous cult leader of the Republican Party is demanding exactly that, your poison brain can’t help but put a Democrat brand on it.
Democrats told us that they wanted to do it and they would then pack the Court and make DC and PR states. Have you forgotten?
Talking is not demanding. Did you not know that?
Talking usually leads to action. Just ask the Israelis
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It is a gamble. If it were done right away, the GOP could legislate the nation back to health and the Dems would be back in the wilderness of the 80s and 90s.
It would be a disaster if it was done and the Dems won the midterm.
It would be unnecessary if the GOP won a supermajority in the midterm, but that is unlikely.
That's the last thing they want.
I'm sure they could. You have to want it.
The problem is the type of legislation that the country needs will likely be unpopular and not conducive to the type of immediate gratification that voters respond to. The Democrats always promise more and lie to voters that more government and more spending will solve everything. That's where their control of the media matters. They can scream that every cut in the rate of spending will murder so many thousands of people, will cause starvation, homelessness etc and the media dutifully frames their stories to help them. Then the average voter, who doesn't pay much attention to details and gets their news from headlines, buy into the narrative.
Once democrats eliminate the filibuster,
1. they will add democratic states 2. add justices and get rid of the constitution, 3. grant amnesty and citizenship to millions, 4. open the borders like they did under Biden 5. Bail out blue cities and keep their voters happy 6. Pass voting laws to make sure there are no checks on voting procedures etc etc..
It will be incredibly difficult for republicans to win ever again.
You forgot the satire tag again. Maybe you could try claiming something that has at least a tiny grain of truth to it, otherwise no one with more than half a brain will bother listening. Either that or lean into the lies even more with more conspiracy theories like that Democrats are really lizard aliens that eat babies, that's clearly what your audience prefers.
Don’t worry, you’ll support all those things when you are told to.
Not a fucking chance. I'm not a Republican who just believes whatever their dear Leader tells them to.
Yeah, he is far worse than expected, even given poor expectations.
False dichotomy.
Of course, Trump's modus operandi is to cheat and use every angle at his disposal, regardless of ethics, law, or accepted norms.
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And after all the investigations into virtually every aspect of his businesses and life, none of that has been proven.
They couldn't stop him with lawfare, they couldn't stop him in the election, so now they are trying with a government shutdown.
Even when the accusations were false and "evidence" was fabricated they failed.
And the Democrats claim "its a messaging problem". They won't admit that they ran some bottom of the barrel candidates.
And all that did was show the country that the Democrats are the cause of the problems. Again.
Imagine what could be accomplished for the country if the Democrats weren't petulant children throwing a decade long tantrum.
They are far worse than that. As Chuck Schumer might tell us, the far left now runs the party.
I predict that we go through this again in January.
I can see that happening. With some of the same idiotic nonsense with new idiocy sprinkled in for appearances.
You issue a post claiming that you do not recognize that Trump's modus operandi is to cheat and use every angle at his disposal, regardless of ethics, law, or accepted norms.
Do you recognize and approve of Trump's extreme use of lawfare?
Do you recognize and approve of Trump's attempts to gain political advantage by encouraging mid-census redistricting — redistricting NOT to adjust democratic representation due to changes in population but purely partisan?
I see you are still running on opinion. Then cry about me using "confirmation bias". And you expect me to take you seriously?
Its better than running on nothing, like you do.
I don't see you proving me wrong.
Pretty sure everyone knows the pathetic little game embodied in your posts: deny everything you wish were not true, demand proof, reject all evidence.
Tough to show proof when there is no proof to show,
And it doesn't stop them from running with emotion based opinion.
I'm not denying anything. I'm stating flat out - I don't see you proving me wrong. Anywhere
You are denying Trump’s modus operandi of ‘rules, ethics, decency,… is for suckers’.
To not see this is beyond laughable. Your little game is pathetic.
heaven forbid someone does not share that emotional opinion.
Meh. They're not trying very hard. Let's don't pretend these people are the characters they play.
Look, they've spent the best part of the last 10 years trying to convince everybody he's Hitler. That allows them to produce fantastic political theater as they try to pretend they're fighting for the future of democracy. Their primary goal is to convince as many people as possible that the world will end unless they are re-elected.
But you can't try too hard. If you actually slay the dragon, the villagers don't need you anymore, and they start making you pay for your own ale.
Gee, I hope so.
I'm telling you to prove it. Your "trust me bro" sources aren't going to pass. Do the work, provide the proof.
To date all they have done is parrot the same talking points like petulant children who were just told no. I could care less about their emotional state or their tantrums. They need to pretend I'm from Missouri and "SHOW ME".
I am telling you that your game is pathetic. To pretend that you cannot see Trump for what he is, is an absurd tactic.
That's one emotion based opinion solely based in that I refuse to to along with your tantrums.
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IMO ending the filibuster is a really bad idea. It will allow the whackadoodles of either party to take control. The issue is the senate can't play well together. Ending the filibuster will not fix the actual problem. Seems it could have a bigger impact on democracy than anything people have been screaming about over the last several years.
I am failing to see why panties are in a bunch .. it was wrong to shut down the government .. Albeit I am no fan of big government, but to shut down the government and still pay congress is fuck'd up..! The ACA is fuck'd up, has been fuck'd up since jump because it relied on the expansion of Medicaid to survive. One can spit into the wind daily expecting a different outcome .. and still ACA will be fuck'd up!
It seems some folks always look for reasons to have their panties in a bunch. They must like the feeling.
Throwing money at a problem seems to be an easier solution than fixing the problem itself. I don't think some folks are ready to admit something only the dems voted for (ACA) being a complete disaster.
I didn't miss anything while it was shut down
The thing to bear in mind is that the people who shut it down would rather destroy the entire country than accept Trump as President.
With that I wish you all a good day.