A curiouser & curiouser investigation
The title contains words used by Alice in the Lewis Caroll classic "Alice in Wonderland. " I assume most people recognize the words and accept them as typically used to describe very unusual circumstances. Therefore, I trust I won't be charged with plagiarism. With that out of the way, part of the bloody weekend which seemingly coincided with the start of Hanukkah (Monday Dec 15) was the shooting at Brown University, which took two lives and left about 9 injured.
I need to set the stage behind this tragedy. Brown University is the most radical of all the Ivy League universities. Brown has an endowment of $8 Billion, which earns an investment return of about 11-12% per year. With all of that money, the university had no cameras deployed in areas where the shooting took place. Supposedly it had an alarm set up that didn't work. The classroom where the shooting took place was an economics class with a Jewish Professor. One of those killed was a young woman who was the leader of the Republican students. The current president of Brown University is Christina H Paxson. She was unable to answer any details concerning the class that was attacked. Providence Police quickly apprehended "a person of interest." For what reason is unknown. Later that individual was released. Incredibly that person's name had leaked out. Now the police are starting from scratch all over again. In addition to all of that, some witnesses (though none have been interviewed by the media) allege that the shooter shouted out something in Arabic. There has been neither a confirmation nor a denial of that from the police.
Nonetheless, there was a press conference held. I suppose it was to show various film clips of a masked individual staking out the university.
It was almost 45 minutes in length. Very unusual considering how little was revealed. Mayor Brett Smiley is the nerdy looking man who obviously ran the press conference. To save our readers a little time, the Q&A part gets interesting late in the video around 34.40 of the tape when reporters begin to ask about the condition of the injured and the mayor says he doesn't know. Someone then asks the Police Chief to speak Spanish for the people of Providence who only speak Spanish. Another reporter interjects with what Trump said about Brown's failure with cameras etc. At about 38.27 the mayor tells the media how hard they all worked and that they are "tired."
At 39.15 a reporter asks about witnesses who say the shooter yelled something. The Police chief gives an incoherent non-answer. Another asked if anyone was targeted. The Chief says "we are looking into it."
At 43.35 the mayor steps in to say we are going to wrap it up here.
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All of this can be blamed on the American left. They have lowered the bar to a degree that all of this is possible.
No place is safe anymore and that now includes the US.
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Let me guess....more guns is the answer. Jesus, republicans have been preaching that shit for 50 years and, "more guns" has brought us nothing but more gun related violence. There have been 75 school shootings, (per trump's FBI) since trump took office. Holy shit.
There have been mass shootings in CHURCHES in this country... Shame God didn't prevent that.
No not more guns is the answer. Leftists killing those they simply disagree with is the answer.
You left out the part that is the REAL problem when it comes to violence. The PERSON committing it. It's a cowards way out to cry about an inanimate object. NOBODY has proposed a goddamn thing about the PERSON committing the violence.
I grew up around firearms. You could find them in peoples cars at the high schools in the area. Training was taught in the school, at home and with various organizations. The key to all that training? DISCIPLINE. We were taught discipline. We were also held accountable for our actions. Those 2 things alone (discipline and accountability) were so engrained on us that we made sure we did everything right.
Now, discipline isn't taught anywhere. Sure has hell not taught at home. That's evident just looking at the younger generations. Accountability has become a fkng joke. Look how many criminals that have been released multiple times for violent acts.
Now couple that with people who lack the coping skills for frustrations that come with everyday tasks like going to work. How many of them are heavily medicated? Ever read the little insert that comes with medication? Some of the side effects are far worse than what they are supposed to help you with.
No. This is NOT a gun problem. It's a people problem and nobody want's to acknowledge that because they don't want to deal with how big that problem really is.
But the anti-gun crowd doesn't want to talk about the person behind it. Could it be because crying about the gun is just so much easier? Identifying and fixing the actual problem is so much harder, there is no easy fix for it. So basically the person who cries out for gun control and blames the gun is just lazy and doesn't want to do the actual work of fixing a problem, they just want their 15 minutes of fame by crying about it.
Is there something in the water because I agree with you again.
We need better health care in this country and that includes mental health. I don't think a person who picks up a gun and blows people way is all together upstairs.
I was going to say a normal, sane person doesn't use a gun to solve their problems, but sometimes they do
Bwahahahaha!!!! Welcome to the Dark Side!!!
We have cookies!!
LOL!
Why do you think it is that there are more guns than people in the United States ?
Would this country be , in any way, worse off without the right to individually own firearms?
I feel that is EXACTLY what it is. It's a cowards excuse to avoid tackling the real problem.
Definitely. In the hopes of not going into some idiotic "big pharma" rant, but in a lot of cases the "treatment" is to medicate. There is so much wrong with that philosophy, so much wrong with ensuring that the medications are safe. A lot of these medications cause more problems than they fix. The advertisements we see on TV are evidence of that.
Oh, I'm saying more firearms than people. I have 7. All ranging from .22 caliber pistol to a Mossberg 590 (like I used in Afghanistan) and AR-15.
There are arguments that go both ways on that. Australia seems to have been able to do it successfully until recently. At the same time, some will look at 1930's Germany and use it as an example. It all depends on the audience at the time.
The reality of the whole thing is, it's not a "gun problem" per se. When we talk about the issue, everybody focuses on the tool that was used and not the person wielding that tool.
The United States has a murder rate 2, 3, or 4 times higher than any European country. Does Europe not have irresponsible crazy people too ?
Murder Rate by Country 2025
Now strip out certain cities (i.e. Chicago, Washington D.C., etc.) and we place MUCH lower. We can have all the gun laws imaginable. The only people that are going to obey them are the law abiding. Criminals won't give them up, in fact they may increase the number they have and the types they have.
Don't get me wrong. I see and understand your point and I think it's valid. I'm not downplaying it at all. That's just how I see it.
There is the problem nobody wants to work on; the person wielding that firearm. I think Europe has some things that have worked in their favor as far as how they mediate that problem that the US hasn't done. Like I said in 1.2.2. There are things that we should be doing (i.e. discipline and accountability) that we are failing miserably at.
I don't think that is a problem
Oh but leftists hate guns.... Sorry!
So giving them access to guns is the problem? Wow, we agree.Australia has had one, (1) mass shooting since 1998..... Why can we not achieve that? Do tell.
So explain it. Other countries have mentally ill people, but no mass shootings......what's the difference? Oh please, let me know. And before you label me? I am 57 years old, I own 38 guns. Hand guns, rifles, shot guns and a few that are quite rare.
Let me know.
Yes, Australia had on shooting since '88. The problem is, you, and many others, are still focusing on the inanimate object. That's not the problem. I've never witnessed a firearm walking down the street without a person holding it. We need to look at the PERSON and not the tool. We need to hold the PERSON more accountable.
Quit comparing the US to other countries.
None of that will happen in the United States. THAT is the difference.
Okay Frosty, some DC bureaucrat dreams up a gun control plan. Which weapons are you turning in? All your handguns since in the scheme of things they by far cause the most death? A sporting shotgun because it is semi automatic? Perhaps the lever action rifle handed down to you from your grandpa because it could hold more than five rounds? Etc, etc.
Nah, I trust no bureaucrat with such decisions. Most have no concept of what law abiding gun ownership looks like. None.
They certainly tend to blame the gun long before they would ever blame the one pulling the trigger.
Why not?
Why?
How do you think we can achieve that given that even you feel it necessary to own 38 guns?
Read the rest of my comment instead of cherry picking
I used to own a lot more. Also, I am not out shooting up schools.
Congratulations, and good for you!
But again, you asked, "Australia has had one, (1) mass shooting since 1998..... Why can we not achieve that?".
So again, how do you think we can achieve that given that even you feel it necessary to own 38 guns (perhaps even a lot more)?
Are you attacking me for OWNING guns? They are in a locked room, I alone have access to it. Would you be attacking me if I owned 38 cars? Spatulas? Salt and pepper shakers? Perhaps, forks?
Some people collect stamps, pennies, girlfriends, wives, cars, pets, computers.....I collect rare and unique guns.... Problem?
You know I love ya Sparty.... There has to be a solution....all I am saying.
Who told you we disarmed the population??
Can assure you we are very well armed thank you very much..
You should never believe everything you see and hear...
Disarmed..🤣
I'm not "attacking" anyone for anything. I am simply asking for your thoughts on the very question that you posed. Why do you think it is that we can't achieve the lower gun violence incidence of Australia? What do you think the solution is?
Not at all. Many people in America do.
Agreed Frosty but the answer ain’t gonna come from the dingleberries in office now. On either side.
So you didn’t have a mandatory gun buy back? Some would call that disarming the population.
I haven't heard anything that funny in a few days. We needed that kind of humor after having to listen to orange leatherface tell America that up is down, left is right and how they just love being chain-sawed in half under his rule.
Good luck finding him.
start with looking at the list of J6 insurrectionists that received a pardon ...
More than likely a Jew hating liberal.
Seems to be the "suspect de jur" these days.
Um, most liberals don't have a problem with Jews. Remember the Tree Of Life shooting? Nutter, 100%.
Brown University was a hotbed of antisemitism.
‘Um, most liberals don't have a problem with Jews.’
Most, if not all, Jewish killings and other violence have been done by left wing loons.
Charlottesville.... "The Jews will not replace us!!!!"... Those were right wing peeps...Vic.
Have you heard the latest?
Police now believe there is a link between the shooting at the Brown Engineering Building in a Jewish professors Economics class Saturday and the killing of a Jewish professor in Brookline MA. I just hear a local news commentator say the link must be "engineering."
What is it about the progressive mind?
Certainly most of them do not think correctly
I believe the person of interest now is the same person the university tried to scrub their online pages of. Some pro Palestinian LGBTQST++AKF---1469 dude.
Same build as the person in the videos.
I think the university had a pretty good idea, just decided to not pass it to the authorities because of the bad PR they would receive.
It's actually nuclear physics. And no Muslims involved
wow you should be pretty foolish right now
Let me explain something.
i readily admit when I am wrong on here. I don’t normally have to do that because it is rare that I am.
Based on the leftist violence of destroying private property, harassing people, assaulting and killing people, even on college campuses, all because of their beliefs, ESPECIALLY if those beliefs were of the Jewish faith, it only made sense to believe a leftist pulled off this killing.
I wil admit that this one time it was not
Engineering generally cures a person from political extremism.
It's hard to know lots of math and still hold political views that are that stupid.
Are you kidding?
One can be highly educated in various disciplines and still, in particular areas such as religion and politics, fail to think critically.
A fine non-political example is this guy:
A research biologist with a PhD from Harvard who believes that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old.
This is not a stupid person. But when it comes to religious beliefs, his critical thinking skills are tossed aside.
Same with politics.
Not at all.
If you'll review the comments you'll find we're talking about engineers. And I intentionally used the word "generally".
What does that have to do with politics?
I don't think that's true at all. Authoritarian movements tend to do quite well with engineers from Nazism to the the CCP. The appeal of order and the promise of being able to do what is "right" rather than get involved with messy compromises has an obvious appeal to the engineering mindset.
I agree and that comes from being part of it (an engineer) and dealing with other engineers and technical types for nearly 50 years.
A definite trend is many folks with jobs that require intense critical thinking, that can tend to a decrease of belief in religion/God. Some of us can still have faith in things such as religion, that do not require “scientific” empirical evidence. Others will scoff at such faith.
C’est la vie ….
Yes Jack, I know what you wrote. You also wrote:
I generalized this notion of education:not-stupid-views to include other fields that require higher education. I then made the suggestion that higher education does not generally mean critical thinking is applied to religion and politics.
I noted that smart people are commonly known to abandon critical thinking when it comes to religion and politics. Implying that it is wrong to think that an educated person (e.g. an engineer) is generally immune from stupid views. I provided a religious example (of the two) because I thought that made the point quite well.
Given you imply that you cannot connect the dots, here is a political example of a highly educated, extremely smart individual who continues to hold stupid political views:
Proof?
you never admit you're wrong unless your feet are held to the fire
ha! Not my former supervisor!
Could this be Providence City Hall?
If Brown and Providence are so radical and pro Palestinian why would a radical leftist shoot the place up ?
Did you see where the shooting took place?
Yes, that's Providence City Hall and the brick building to the right is the Biltmore Hotel.
Mark halperin is reporting that’s he heard Ella cook was specifically targeted but there is no confirmation.
Funny how the police won’t say what shooter yelled nor provide a description of him.
So, I've heard.
Funny how the police won’t say what shooter yelled nor provide a description of him.
Reminds me of Obama's FBI.
Since the shooter has neither been caught or identified how could that be known? Did the shooter say "I'm looking for Ella Cook"?
Conspiracy mongering is not helpful.
Well when you're trying to make the liburls look bad and you don't have anything else, conspiracy mongering is the go to. Forget about facts and all that rot. Let's make this up as we go along
The implication they seem to be promoting is that because a young Republican was killed she must have been targeted. This is not logical thinking.
nah...not going there. Tho I so badly want to
No, it was simply reported that she was specifically targeted by a journalist. Nothing more. Just like thousands of reports a day by journalists. Since when is solid logic regularly employed by the mass media?
But we understand, since it is not specifically Trump hate centric, it will be vociferously attacked by our friends on the left here.
Groundhog day …..
THEN blamed on Trump
We just want answers, starting with the students who heard the shooter yell something.
That is a misrepresentation. Read how I described her.
Mustapha Kharbouch, a third generation Palestinian refugee who is now a queer Palestinian activist is the suspect..
And if so.. he was apparently radicalized at Brown.
I haven’t seen this but I can assure you that if it is true the left wing media will list him as a white male and leftists will jump on it as gospel.
You mean like you all went headlong with "Russia Collusion" and "Stolen Election" and "Instigated a riot on January 6th"?
How can you possibly not recognize that Trump tried to steal the 2020 election and that he instigated the breaking and entering of the Capital building to stop an act of Congress?
How is this possible given all we know??
Because it hasn't been proven. It's all been conspiracy theories based on emotion. Every losing candidate has done something in one form or another where that claim could be made. But the left only makes the claim for that one particular election.
Because it has been proven that he didn't instigate it. That's all based on edited evidence and "news" reports from the media. Even the "J6 Committee" was shown to use these tactics.
The predictable response. The same crap you use every time to deny the facts.
Denying reality is not going to convince anyone who can reason as an adult.
Not playing your games.
That comment didnt age well.
No it didn't ......
that's what happens when speculation and conspiracy theories are your "facts"
Sounds like law enforcement might be tracking a terrorist cell. That would explain the limited release of information.
To me it sounds like they don't want anyone drawing certain conclusions. In the most recent "briefing," just hours ago, the AG of RI finally answered the questions about what witnesses heard. He said that some witnesses heard the shooter say something, but others did not. So, evidently, they are going with those who heard nothing. Isn't that interesting?
They also tried to explain away why Brown University lacked cameras. I felt sorry for the Police Chief who has no answers and kept getting cut off by the AG, who stepped on his toes a few times. The Chief looked like he was about to cry. The university president felt compelled to attend (all the presidents are suddenly women these days). She seemed to be confused. The mayor is concerned about his "community." They are begging the public for a lead. The FBI is offering a $50,000 reward.
I'm trying to figure out who voted for mayor Smiley.
I think I'll do a breakdown of the current population of Providence RI and post it later.
Well, I watched all 49 minutes of the video. The briefing was pretty standard. The reporters appear to be unprofessional bozos.
Of course the investigative team doesn't want to be sidetracked by wild assed guesses. Law enforcement has a very different agenda than the press. And briefers did not choose sides on who did or did not hear the shooter say anything. It really is possible for a shooter to shout something as misdirection to confuse the investigation and hide another motivation.
According to the briefing, Brown has cameras. At least 800 according to the AG. Apparently the building is located on the edge of the campus where camera coverage would naturally be minimal. There obviously was sufficient camera coverage to show a person of interest. The police are not going to release footage of the shooting or students, especially since a possible suspect or motive has not been identified.
The Police Chief looked like he was pissed off by the stupid questions from the reporters. It was pretty obvious the Chief became hostile toward the press. Personally, I don't blame him.
Paxson had to be there because she is the chancellor. Christina Paxson is a practicing Jew. So, the conspiracy theories would make Paxson a target and not a facilitator. That's a dead end wild assed guess that would only pull the police investigation off track.
The only glaringly unusual thing that jumped out of the video was the unprofessional behavior by the press. How did the fourth estate assemble so many idiots in one place at the same time?
Having watched the briefing, there was actually more information released than I originally thought. This appears to be a complicated investigation with no easy answers popping out of available evidence.
Funny how two people could see it so differently.
I saw the Police Chief as confused and bewildered, Paxson as nothing more than a DEI hire and the AG as trying to make excuses for a heavily endowed university which failed to offer its students a minimum of security after a few years of allowing antisemitism on campus.
Either they are all incompetent or the killer got incredibly lucky, but I just don't see how they capture him/her.
The shooter can only be identified through careful investigative work. Seems apparent there isn't anything jumping out of the evidence to suggest a clear motive, target, or perpetrator.
The released video suggests the shooter planned the attack. The circumstances and released video suggest this was not a random shooting or a target of opportunity. A shooting on a Saturday at 4:00 pm suggests the shooter had access to specific information concerning activities in the building and who might be in attendance. If this was a targeted attack, as it seems, then the police need to identify the intended target. The shooter may have missed the intended target; it cannot be assumed that any of the casualties was the intended target. That's going to require a lot of interviews, scouring social media, reviewing past video (if available), and scrutinizing information from a lot more people than just the casualties. Identifying the target begins narrowing the search for suspects.
(Remember that police did not identify the assassin of Charlie Kirk. A targeted, politically motivated killing increased the difficulty of finding the killer. And, despite the background chatter, the police may not have identified the actual target of the shooting. The political environment on Brown University is too complex to allow jumping to conclusions.)
Turns out you were correct, there was a connection between the shooting at Brown University and the MIT shooting. But Portugal, physics, and what appears to be juvenile rivalry aren't connections that jump out of either story.
Seems like the investigative team has hidden competence. They did identify the shooter through their investigative work and a little luck.
Reddit, a progressive haven and one of the main sources of information for ChatGPT, had to shut down a post on the brown university board because so many progressives were celebrating the murder of Ella Cook.
Could that relate to the scrubbed Brown website issue that came up in the briefing in post 5.1?
BTW an MIT professor who happens to be Jewish and an ardent defender of Israel was found shot to death in his home.
Could it be related to the Providence shooting?
Kind of like they did with the murder of Charlie Kirk. What's hilariously hypocritical is their outrage for anybody talking bad about Rob Reiner.
LMAO!!!!
Here is the best analysis I've heard on the "investigation:"