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Proof and truth and lies

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  bob-nelson  •  9 months ago  •  11 comments

By:   Lucian K. Truscott IV

Proof and truth and lies



Buckle up.

There is more, and it is worse than you think.


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S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Donald Trump, as he does almost daily, had reporters in the Oval Office today and answered a question saying “there’s nothing on me” in the Epstein files and claimed that “they found that Jeffrey Epstein and a sleazebag writer named Michael Wolff were conspiring against Donald Trump to lose the election.”

Elsewhere, it emerged that in the three million pages of files released by the Department of Justice, there are 38,000 mentions of Donald Trump, and Vladimir Putin’s name appears 1,056 times.

There is an FBI report of an interview with a woman who claimed that Trump raped her 35 years ago when she was underage. There are repeated references to Trump’s friendship with Epstein. There are messages between Melania and Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. As I reported yesterday, the files contain the names of prominent men like Howard Lutnick and Woody Allen and Larry Summers and others. They establish that each of these men had relationships with Epstein. There are details, such as visits to Epstein’s notorious island and trips on his jet aircraft, which was referred to as the “Lolita Express.”

However, there is no proof about any of them, no proof about Donald Trump, no proof that their friendship with the notorious and eventually convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein included committing sexual assault or rape of underage girls.

That’s the problem with the Epstein files. There isn’t any proof. They reveal tons of disgusting material about Epstein himself and the prominent men with whom he surrounded himself, but there is, as at least one report noted, “no smoking gun.”

So, let’s discuss what “proof” is. In the context of Donald Trump, we already know that proof does not matter. Maybe the truest statement Trump ever made was his “joke” in 2016 just before the Iowa caucuses: “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK?” After ten long years of this asshole, I think we can all agree that his statement was absolutely correct. If it were to emerge that there is cellphone video of Trump carrying out the murder of a person in the middle of Fifth Avenue, his supporters would claim that it is fake news, a fake video, that it doesn’t show what it clearly shows.

“Proof” never really had any meaning with Trump. He is functionally immune from proof of wrongdoing. The Supreme Court confirmed and compounded that fact with its decision making him legally immune from prosecution for any action he takes as president. That is why he and his sons are out there making “deals” involving their crypto firm with Gulf state potentates that have, according to reports, yielded them some $4 billion in profits so far. There is nothing that can be done by anyone, anytime, anywhere that would get in the way of Trump’s rampant corruption.

But proof and truth are separate things. It is true that Trump and his sons and Steve Witkoff and his family made a deal with Sheikh Tahnoon bin Zayed Al Nahyan, who manages the sovereign wealth fund of the United Arab Emirates, that yielded a $187 million gain for the Trump family through the Trump/Witkoff crypto business, World Liberty Financial, with $31 million going to the Witkoff family. But it is not proof of corruption, because according to the Supreme Court, Trump cannot commit any corrupt act, and anyone associated with him can be assured that they will not be prosecuted for corruption, because Trump has the power to pardon them, thus nullifying the entire concept of corruption.

How can something that is true not be proof of a crime or legal misbehavior? Easy. It is shown in pages from the Epstein files that were generated by the prestigious law firm, Kirkland Ellis, and signed by the prominent – for all kinds of reasons – Kenneth Starr, who was one of Epstein’s lawyers. Starr and Epstein’s other lawyer, Jay Lefkowitz, sent a letter to the former U.S. Attorney for southern Florida, Alexander Acosta, arguing that Epstein should not be indicted for crimes committed against underage girls. We know that the letter from Kirkland Ellis was successful, because Acosta signed a non-prosecution deal with Epstein that got him off federal charges and left him facing lesser charges by the state of Florida that he pleaded guilty to. We know that this deal was corrupt. Trump paid off Acosta for helping his friend Epstein in 2007 by appointing Acosta Secretary of Labor in 2017, a position in which he served until 2019, when the federal indictment of Epstein in New York forced Acosta to resign his position as Labor Secretary.

All this is fascinating by itself in the way it shows how powerful men, in this case, Epstein, Trump, Acosta, Starr, and Lefkowitz, conspired to fix the case against Epstein and let him off with a slap-on-the-wrist conviction and no real prison time. But it’s how it was done that goes to the heart of how proof and truth are corrupted by lies.

One of the things Epstein was investigated for was “inducement,” which in his case was convincing underage girls to engage in acts of prostitution. The letter from Kirkland Ellis goes into great detail to convince Acosta that Epstein could not have “induced” girls to engage in illegal sexual acts with adult men because (1) they lied about their ages to Epstein, and (2) the acts they carried out on men were consensual.

Oh, boy. It’s hard to even grasp that these men, Starr and Lefkowitz, could go to sleep at night having written the garbage they wrote to Acosta, just as it is hard to believe that Acosta could get to sleep having accepted their arguments.

Reading the pages as they are reproduced in the Epstein files is…there is no other word for it…incredible. Under the subheading, “No Sexual Contact,” the letter quotes one of the underage girl’s sworn statement about Epstein: “So I willingly the first time took off my top when I gave him a massage and nothing more than that.” Further down, the same underage girl says, “I would wear panties. Willingly one time because we were making jokes and everything and willingly one time I had, yes, I was [blacked out] but I was fine with it.”

This is from an underage girl, interviewed by the FBI, and here statements were being used to absolve Epstein of having “induced” her to commit a crime. Elsewhere in the letter, she quoted describing “bringing him, I don’t know, maybe 30 girls. It was all about money to me at the time.” She describes telling the other “girls” to lie to Epstein about their ages. She states, “Like I said, I went [blacked out] for him one time. But the other girls, they practically were topless and that’s all that they were willing to do.”

Here is the conclusion made by Kenneth Starr and Jay Lefkowitz after the above quotes and many others, all of them about the underage girl discussed in the letter:

“In sum, [blacked out] testimony clearly shows that she is not a victim.”

Not a victim.

Here is the conclusion Starr and Lefkowitz provided to Acosta, with which he apparently agreed: “We believe — and know you share our belief that citizens should he treated alike regardless of wealth or status when it comes to criminal justice. We ask for nothing more of your treatment of Mr. Epstein than that he be treated as would any other citizen of Palm Beach under similar circumstances. Mr. Epstein should not be charged with offenses to which his conduct does not apply.”

The underage girl’s testimony about providing Epstein with other girls and being paid for it, about underage girls wearing “panties” and going “topless” while giving “massages” was not enough proof for Acosta to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein.

What we know about Epstein, what we know about Trump, what we know about their friendship from photographs and from everything that has been written about these two men, and their friends, and their associates, may be true, but it is not proof.

Think about this for a moment. Try to imagine being a 15 or 16 year old girl being topless and standing over the prone figures of Epstein or Summers or Trump or any of the rest of them and giving them a “massage.”

That may be evidence of the gross and misshapen moral sensibility, the utter absence of knowing the difference between what is right and what is wrong, by these men, but it is not proof of anything.

That is what Trump and the rest of them want us to believe. That is why “there is nothing on me” is a lie, and yet when it comes to the law, it is true. Proof is neither truth nor evidence of a lie. It is legal and cold and naked. It is what they will deploy to defend the murderers of Alex Pretti and Renee Good. Cellphones and the body cameras they promised today will be issued to ICE agents won’t save us.

We may see with our eyes and hear with our ears and be able to distinguish between right and wrong, but that is not much more than evidence of being human. It may be true, but it’s not proof.


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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    9 months ago
The underage girl’s testimony about providing Epstein with other girls and being paid for it, about underage girls wearing “panties” and going “topless” while giving “massages” was not enough proof for Acosta to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein.
 
 
 
Split Personality
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2  Split Personality    9 months ago
But it is not proof of corruption, because according to the Supreme Court, Trump cannot commit any corrupt act, and anyone associated with him can be assured that they will not be prosecuted for corruption, because Trump has the power to pardon them, thus nullifying the entire concept of corruption.

This is what gives rise to the vigilantes.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @2    9 months ago

So the Biden crime family better watch out after Biden pardoned everyone, huh? 

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    9 months ago

Your comment is like someone being chastised for stealing a cookie by a bank guard while thieves walk off with the entire receipts from the bank right in front of them.

800

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thomas @2.1.1    9 months ago

You have no idea how funny it is to watch so many progressives get manipulated into throwing Tantrums about things that Trump might do but that  Biden already did.  It's their complete inability to remember what positions they defended yesterday that makes its so amusing...

Some progressives justifying vigilantism over a President abusing the pardon power to protect his allies?? That's just funny...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.2    9 months ago
You have no idea how funny it is to watch so many progressives get manipulated into throwing Tantrums about things that Trump might do but that Biden already did. 

What's funny is that some people actually believe that shit. It's beyond funny that some are so desperate to find fault with Biden they lie about him daily, all while Trump is literally a convicted felon running a crime family out of the white house, greasing the hands of his billionaire friends (who all also appear to have been very close friends with their pedo-pimp Jeffery Epstein), pardoning doners, breaking the law daily. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the insanity of those on the right who have clearly drunk the cool aid. I can only feel sorry for such lost souls and wonder how they're going to lose what's left of their minds when all hell breaks loose this mid-term election and the Republicans take a complete stomping at the ballot box. Of course, they'll scream fraud again just like they always do because they're frauds projecting their own unhinged desire to just force every one they hate to obey them through force, just like Trump and his Gestapo are trying to do. They support an authoritarian because they know they'll never get what they want if they let every American cast a ballot. The majority of Americans do not want what these xenophobic rightwing conservative Christo-fascists are selling.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    9 months ago

Bob shouldn't put up with your off-topic comments

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1    9 months ago
So the Biden crime family better watch out after Biden pardoned everyone, huh? 

What's the problem with locking Biden into the cell next to Trump's?  The MAGA promise was to eliminate this type of corruption; not to use the corruption as a excuse for bigger, beautiful corruption.

Trump and Biden can share a cellblock.  That should be a MAGA priority.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.2    9 months ago
You have no idea how funny it is to watch so many progressives get manipulated into throwing Tantrums about things that Trump might do but that  Biden already did.

1) Trump is using his position as President to benefit himself and his cronies. 2) If Biden and his family were implicated in as much shit as you imply, then the many investigations of him and his family by the Republican Congress would have turned up something better than, "He said his father was President." 

 It's their complete inability to remember what positions they defended yesterday that makes its so amusing...

Show me where I have changed positions.

It seems more likely that the majority of Republicans and MAGA, who were all up in arms and trying to pin anything, anything they could to  Biden and his associates, have now done a complete about face and are totally in agreement with all of Trumps obvious graft and corruption.

“President Trump and the Trump family have relentlessly pursued these schemes and virtual payoffs to profit from the presidency at an order of magnitude greater than any administration in history, including his own first term. The sheer size of the Trump family’s total earnings from such profiteering creates a new highwater mark for corruption. In July 2025, The New York Times estimated that cryptocurrency ventures had added as much as $7.1 billion to the Trump family’s total net worth. Tallying a mix of realized profits (or income that has already been deposited in the Trumps’ pockets) and some limited estimates of paper wealth (or the current speculated value of listed assets), The New Yorker estimated in August 2025 that the family has profited over $2.3 billion from such ventures. In September 2025, The Wall Street Journal highlighted approximately $500 million in realized profits and as much as $5 billion in paper wealth for the Trump family from just one of its digital currencies. A Reuters analysis in October 2025 found that the Trump family’s realized profit from such dealings totaled approximately $802 million in the first half of 2025, far outpacing the $62 million the family earned from its other income streams like its real estate, licensing, and golf club businesses.”

And yet you continue on like there is some point that the humans who occupy this planet along with the vanishingly small number of ultra-wealthy should take from this other than, "the rules only apply if you are not rich," without even realizing that the splashing sound you are hearing is the rich pissing on your leg.

And you smile...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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2.1.7  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.4    9 months ago
Bob shouldn't put up with your off-topic comments

I rarely bother to read Sean's Comments. He's been off-topic since forever.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.1.7    9 months ago

good for you, Bob

 
 

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