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The fall of a liberal icon

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  8 months ago  •  79 comments

The fall of a liberal icon
Since the new allegations that surfaced Wednesday, many Democrats including Newsom are reevaluating their statements. Newsom said his staff has been in discussions on renaming the holiday. “None of us knew,” the governor said.

Link to quote: Inside Cesar Chavez's shocking ties to bloodthirsty cult


Caesar Chavez died in 1993. He is remembered as the founder of "the United Farm Workers" union. Once upon a time he was a hero to the old-fashioned liberals. The modern left abandoned him because Chavez was against illegal immigration which undercut his unionized farm workers. Thus, we haven't heard much about him in decades.

Very recently the New York Times claims to have performed one of their "in-depth" investigations. According to their investigation, at the same time that Chavez was working to better the lives of immigrant workers, he had sexually abused and assaulted women and girls. Dolores Huerta, who founded the United Farm Workers union with Chavez and was for decades his most prominent ally (she is now 95 years old) claims that Chavez raped her in 1966.  Ana Murguia, (now 66,) said Chavez molested her in his office. The Times investigation claims there were many other victims.

What happens now?

His name appears on monuments and schools across the state of California where many schools close on Cesar Chavez Day , March 31, which is his birthday. Thus far the United Farm Workers of America have canceled upcoming celebrations of Chavez, and the Governor of Arizona cancelled the state holiday which honored him. Gov Newsom of California is mulling it over. Some might wonder if it is possible to separate the good from the bad a man does or was the bad just too much in this case?


And now for the latest on the Iran War:

Airstrikes hit the South Pars offshore gas field, which is shared by Iran and Qatar. It just happens to be Iran’s biggest source of natural gas. It was a major strike on an energy facility. Nobody seems to know who is responsible for the airstrike. President Trump seemed surprised by it and said that it was a unilateral Israeli initiative, that Qatar had no role in it and that “NO MORE ATTACKS WILL BE MADE BY ISRAEL pertaining to this extremely important and valuable South Pars Field.” He did add a warning that if Qatar's energy facilities were attacked again the US would destroy someone else's production:

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“The United States knew nothing about this particular attack, and the country of Qatar was in no way, shape, or form, involved with it, nor did it have any idea that it was going to happen,” he said  in a social media post ."


“NO MORE ATTACKS WILL BE MADE BY ISRAEL pertaining to this extremely important and valuable South Pars Field unless Iran unwisely decides to attack a very innocent, in this case, Qatar - In which instance the United States of America, with or without the help or consent of Israel, will massively blow up the entirety of the South Pars Gas Field at an amount of strength and power that Iran has never seen or witnessed before,” he said.

Trump warns Iran not to retaliate against Qatar following Israeli attack on gas field - POLITICO


This just in:

The F.B.I. is investigating Joe Kent for possibly leaking classified information.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

Good morning and welcome to the Vic Eldred cast:

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Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    8 months ago
welcome to the Vic Eldred cast

aka Today's Squirrel.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1    8 months ago

You can do better than that. Our readers expect more.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    8 months ago

"Our readers" are of the less is more school.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    8 months ago

Oh, you'd be surprised. Unlike those being accepted at universities these days, our readers can even complete a novel.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

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JohnRussell
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2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    8 months ago

Trump knew about the attack on the Oil Field before it happened. He is lying for the one millionth time, and our country's fools take him at his word. There has never been a dumber move in American history than taking Trump at his word. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    8 months ago
Trump knew about the attack on the Oil Field before it happened.

Can you give us some proof of that wild accusation?

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
2.1.2  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    8 months ago

Come on Vic, you know trump is all knowing and powerful, it is only democrat leaders that are clueless and can't get anything done because of those mean old progressives.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    8 months ago

co pilot

🇺🇸 1. Report claiming the U.S. was informed beforehand

A report cited by Business Today (summarizing Associated Press reporting) states:

  • Israel informed the U.S. about its plan to strike Iran’s South Pars gas field.

  • It is unclear whether the Trump administration agreed with or supported the decision.

  • The report does not say Trump personally authorized or encouraged the attack.

🎙️ 2. Trump’s public statements

Trump has publicly insisted the U.S. “knew nothing” about Israel’s attack on the gas field.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    8 months ago

To quote Donald Trump, exactly

"The United States knew nothing about this particular attack"

Trump could tell you Mt Everest is only 300 ft high and you would believe him. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    8 months ago
A report cited by Business Today (summarizing Associated Press reporting) states:
  • Israel informed the U.S. about its plan to strike Iran’s South Pars gas field.

Another unnamed source

You will forgive me if I demand some verification.

I no longer accept unnamed sources.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    8 months ago

Trump did say that. You are countering with an unnamed source from the fucking AP

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @2.1.2    8 months ago

He is the great bougie man who followed the Nazi George W Bush!

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
2.1.8  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    8 months ago

Is it any surprise that democrats believe the unnamed sources? It is a person committing treason to leak information to the Press on military strikes. net to someone who abuses women in their office his is the democratic icon.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @2.1.8    8 months ago
Is it any surprise that democrats believe the unnamed sources?

Nope. Not one bit.

They won Pulitzer Prizes for running unvetted stories based on such sources promoting the Russia collusion hoax.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    8 months ago

I accept the AP as a source. It is the worlds largest news organization. 

I believe them a million times more than I believe Trump, and everyone should. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    8 months ago

Your supplication to the biggest liar in American political history is pathetic. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
2.1.12  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    8 months ago
Can you give us some proof of that wild accusation?

Do you really believe American eyes are blind as to what the IDF are loading on their planes and in what direction they are flying? So many fighters, bombers and refuelers occupying a small space need communications to be de rigueur before, during and after.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    8 months ago
I accept the AP as a source.

AP is using an unnamed source.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.11    8 months ago
Your supplication to the biggest liar in American political history is pathetic. 

That place in history is held by Joy Reid.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.1.12    8 months ago

Is that supposed to be your proof?

I'm very disappointed.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    8 months ago
I no longer accept unnamed sources.

Isn't this the same AP that shared a building with Hezbollah in Gaza?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @2.1.16    8 months ago
AP that shared a building with Hezbollah in Gaza?

Yes, it is. And as I recall they claimed to not know.

That's the "news" organization that ChatGPT likes to reference.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    8 months ago
I accept the AP as a source. It is the worlds largest news organization. 

Right? Supposedly the AP isn't trustworthy, but they believe the words of their rightwing partisan investigative bloggers.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.18    8 months ago

Unnamed sources have a long history of amounting to political propaganda.

It is what screwed the McClatchy Report.

Let's see if any of you believers can verify what the source claims.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.1.20  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.13    8 months ago
AP is using an unnamed source.

The story isn't about unnamed sources, these are Israeli officials who made the statement.

Israel's attack on an Iranian gas field on Wednesday was coordinated with the United States but is ​not likely to be repeated, three Israeli officials said , despite President Donald Trump saying he ‌did not know about it in advance. Despite Trump remarks, Israeli officials say US knew of strike on Iran gas field | Reuters

as well as most of the papers in Isreal reporting what their officials said:

The US 'knew nothing' about the attack

The president says the US "knew nothing about this particular attack".

This flies in the face of multiple newspaper reports in Israel in the aftermath of the attack.

The attack "was co-ordinated in advance with the United States and… agreed upon between Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu and US President Trump, " the centrist paper Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

Right-wing paper Israel Hayom goes further, saying "President Trump discussed the upcoming Israeli strike in [Iran's coastal city of] Asaluyeh with leaders of three Persian Gulf states over the weekend". Are US and Israel in lockstep in Iran war? Deciphering Trump's post after gas field attacks

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.20    8 months ago

The biggest problem in the world right now, not just in the United States, is the fact that a lot of people believe in Donald Trump. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.1.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.21    8 months ago
is the fact that a lot of people believe in Donald Trump.

He's told them what they want to hear so they wrongly believe they've got nothing to lose. Reminds me of an old joke. What do you get when you play Country Music backwards? You get yer house back, yer truck back, yer dog back and yer wife back. In the case of Trump it would be "What will we get when Trump is no longer in power?" and the answer is we get America back, our constitution back, our courts back, our pride back, our standing in the world back and the basic expectation that the government will actually work for the people back.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.20    8 months ago
The story isn't about unnamed sources,

The AP story was.


these are Israeli officials who made the statement.

That is a different matter. So let us address that. We start out with an attack on a shared energy facility. At first nobody knows who is responsible. Immediately Quatar blames Iran. Trump was asked about it, and he said he didn't know about it. Then Israel says they did it and it was coordinated with the US. Trump responds by saying that "ISRAEL WILL NOT DO IT AGAIN!"

This isn't hard to figure out. Trump must have given Quatar some assurances on trying to protect their assets. Israel wanted to hit the site, and all air missions are likely coordinated between the US & Israel. Trump probably OKed it on the QT. Why Israel would admit the US knew is beyond me.

Do you recall the Bay of Pigs invasion? It basically failed because JFK wanted to keep US involvement hidden. The funny thing is that back then everyone was on the same page, and you would never read that the New York Times charged JFK with lying.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.1.24  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.23    8 months ago

Wow. That was the longest stretch to defend Trump I think I've ever seen. Hilarious and total bullshit, but truly a creative attempt to save face for your Fuhrer.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

A guy who many progressives lionized and even created a holiday in his name being a molester is nothing  when progressives can attack a Grade D reality TV star as a proxy for attacking Christians. 

Milk, King, Chavez so many progressive icons....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

Well put. They are so predictable.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    8 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    8 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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3.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    8 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    8 months ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.3    8 months ago

100% right. Can you imagine how discouraging that would be for illegals simply wanting to say thanks to the democrats.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    8 months ago

I'm all for having ICE there.  Shit, I'll bring coffee and snacks for them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.5    8 months ago
I'm all for having ICE there.

Me too! Let them call Judge Boesberg.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.7  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    8 months ago

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bugsy
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3.2.8  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.6    8 months ago
Judge Boesberg.

You mean "Democratic activist Boesberg"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @3.2.8    8 months ago
You mean "Democratic activist Boesberg"

Oddly enough, despite an inventory of 15 judges in the district, it is Boesberg who miraculously draws every case involving Trump.

Maybe Susan Rice is the clerk of courts out there?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
3.2.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.2.8    8 months ago
You mean "Democratic activist Boesberg"

Right, because anyone who doesn't agree with your Dear Leader must be a political activist throwing the law out the window to rule in favor of Democrats. I really can't imagine living with a brain so chock full of moronic conspiracy theories they just leak out at every opportunity. Perhaps you guys can prove the deep state exists while you're exposing Boesberg, lol.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @3.2.7    8 months ago

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bugsy
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3.2.12  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.10    8 months ago
Right, because anyone who doesn't agree with your Dear Leader

Hmmmm.let's recap most leftist reactions when the Supreme Court sides with Trump...

From chat GTP

Common Democratic themes when the Court rules in Trump’s favor

  • Criticism of the Court’s legitimacy or direction Democrats often argue the Court is too conservative or politically motivated when rulings align with Trump’s interests.

  • Warnings about threats to democratic norms They may frame such decisions as weakening checks and balances or empowering executive overreach.

  • Calls for legislative action Democrats frequently respond by urging Congress to pass laws to counteract or limit the impact of the ruling.

  • Emphasis on public accountability Statements often highlight how the ruling affects ordinary Americans, civil rights, or institutional integrity.

These reactions mirror the inverse of their celebratory tone when the Court rules against Trump

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.11    8 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
3.2.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.13    8 months ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
4  Jeremy Retired in NC    8 months ago

So lets see if the #metoo movement will be silent on this one.  But given their silence on a certain "file", I don't expect much from the "movement" or the left.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4    8 months ago

The #metoo movement died the day Tara Reade accused Joe Biden of sexual assault.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    8 months ago

That's part of the reason I made the mention.  Although we already know they aren't going to say or do a damn thing.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.1    8 months ago

That was the movement that said we needed to believe women with or without evidence. We kind of knew it wouldn't last.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
4.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    8 months ago
We kind of knew it wouldn't last.

We also knew many were lying.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.3    8 months ago

Everybody knew. They don't care. For some reason a university professor can take a decent young woman and transform her into a raving radical activist.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
4.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.4    8 months ago
For some reason a university professor can take a decent young woman and transform her into a raving radical activist.

or a gradeschool teacher predators playing the gender bullshit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.1.5    8 months ago

Where else do young children hear about it. It didn't just suddenly seize the minds of schoolchildren over the past 6 years from out of nowhere.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    8 months ago
Tara Reade

And how is the lady enjoying Springtime in Moscow? Have the oligarchs rubber stamped her 'degree' from Antioch University? Is she still besties with Maria Butina?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.7    8 months ago

Maybe she got together with the daughter of the Iranian leader just killed, who came to the US and was made a professor at Emory University.

Whatever became of Ardeshir-Larijani?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    8 months ago

Ask the Israelis, they seem bent upon taking out the entire family. Vengeance can be so myopic as you 'know'.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.9    8 months ago

No, I'm asking you:

Why did Larijani send his daughter to the US?  And why would an American University make her an associate professor?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.10    8 months ago
Why did Larijani send his daughter to the US?  And why would an American University make her an associate professor?

Because he wanted Biden to mollest her and Emory U handed out doctorates for it?

Chase your own rodents including those without an agent.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.11    8 months ago

The correct answer is because Larijani knew there were those who hate America living in the US.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.12    8 months ago

It's yankee hubris they are not fond of.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.13    8 months ago

They can worry about it in the next life.

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
5  George    8 months ago

A democrat abusing someone in their office, Doesn't that make them a hero to their fellow democrats?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @5    8 months ago

That depends on the definition of "is."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6  JohnRussell    8 months ago

I read all the right wing comments here about Chavez and "progressives" what a waste of words and typing.  Really, the definition of verbal diarrhea. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    8 months ago

What about the Times investigation?

Or the women who finally, at long last, came forward?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    8 months ago

What about them?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    8 months ago

Do they have an impact on Chavez legacy?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
6.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    8 months ago
Do they have an impact on Chavez legacy?

The way many leftists back criminal illegals in this country, allowing them to continue their crimes while releasing them from prison many times, Chavez has zero worry about leftist ire.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @6.1.3    8 months ago

It is less than that. The day he opposed illegal migrants for undercutting union farm workers is the day he lost the left.

The left has discarded him the way they discarded MLK.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    8 months ago

I'm sure you would call me a "lefty" and I couldn't care less about Chavez' legacy. If he raped girls and women take his name off of everything. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    8 months ago
I'm sure you would call me a "lefty" and I couldn't care less about Chavez' legacy. If he raped girls and women take his name off of everything. 

I think you are right on all three counts.

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
7  George    8 months ago

Democrats went from trump is a Russian asset to he is an antisemite to he is now working for Isreal, is there any surprise that the world thinks democrats are retarded?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @7    8 months ago

They aren't exactly the angels of truth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8  author  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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9  author  Vic Eldred    8 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    8 months ago

So every democratic or labor official  who was friendly with Chavez, or wrote letters to him, is guilty too. That’s how it works now, right?

 
 

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