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The new strategy

  

Category:  Op/Ed

By:  vic-eldred  •  4 months ago  •  28 comments

The new strategy
‘I think I scare them a little bit, why they spend so much time on me,’ Walz said, as Newsom burst out laughing. ‘No, I’m serious, because they know I can fix a truck, they know I’m not bulls******g on this,’ Walz said.


Link to quote: Tim Walz roasted online after claiming on Gavin Newsom's podcast that his masculinity 'scares' MAGA supporters | Daily Mail Online

Those now in control of the democrat party have a problem. There has been a long erosion of what once was the largest part of the democrat party's base: white working-class Americans . It reached alarming proportions during the last 3 Presidential elections:

"Across national post‑election surveys and exit analyses, white non‑college voters remained Trump’s strongest demographic in 2024, with R‑D margins among white non‑college voters near the same high levels observed in 2020 and estimates of roughly two‑thirds of that subgroup voting Republican in 2024."

How have Trump’s vote shares among non‑college white v...

Those who run the party are unwilling to alter their radical ideological beliefs starting with "Demography is Destiny," which includes open borders and benefits for illegal migrants, and trans rights, and "Critical legal theory," which includes no cash bail and defunding the police, and the "Green New Deal," which includes a war on fossil fuels, etc., etc., etc. All of which polls about 20-80% with the American people. They are committed to that agenda and will not move to the center.


So, the obvious question for party leaders is how do we win nationwide elections?

The answer seems to be resurrecting a working-class white guy that working class voters could identify with. That perfectly explains the choice of Graham Platner in Maine. They thought that he was manly. Of course, rational human beings could see right through the veneer. He was a barroom bully type with a fake job that required his mother's help. The thought of losing with Platner is what caused party leaders to pressure Platner out of the race even after he got over 70% of the democrat vote in the primaries.

The search continues: Can they find somebody to fill the old version of the male role model?


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

A hunting they will go!

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devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.1  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 months ago

I really don't think this video will only get a couple, if any, views in this seed.

Maybe you can post it in HD where it gets many more views...

Oh, wait....never mind

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.2  CB  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 months ago

Interesting.

 
 
 
evilone
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2  evilone    4 months ago
Those who run the party are unwilling to alter their radical ideological beliefs...

Ahhhh election year populist bullshit. 

Those who run the party are unwilling to alter their radical ideological beliefs starting with  "Demography is Destiny,"  which includes open borders and benefits for illegal migrants, and trans rights, and  "Critical legal theory,"  which includes no cash bail and defunding the police, and the  "Green New Deal,"  which includes a war on fossil fuels, etc., etc., etc. All of which polls about 20-80% with the American people. 

There is a lot more there to debate than just what's misrepresented in the paragraph. Perhaps if both parties were more honest in what they represented and what they opposed there wouldn't be this divide?

They are committed to that agenda and will not move to the center.

There is a surge in independent voters who are disillusioned with both parties. 

"With more Americans identifying as independents than at any point in recent history, it's no surprise more candidates are choosing to run outside the two-party system," Unite America Executive Director Nick Troiano told  Newsweek  on Friday. "Voters are looking for leaders who can build broad coalitions — not just appeal to partisan bases. Winning as an independent remains an uphill battle, but where elections reward candidates for earning majority support, independents have shown they can be competitive."

Right now Dems have a slight edge, but not a lock...

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JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    4 months ago

I saw a poll a couple days ago that says less than 15% of Americans strongly approve of Donald Trump. 

Now we know why the right is desperate to change the subject. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago
Now we know why the right is desperate to change the subject.

It's getting harder and harder for them to be able to spin the poll numbers.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    4 months ago

Lol. You think Republicans need to spin these numbers in a mid term year?

A Washington Post-Ipsos survey found that registered voters prefer Democrats by 3 percentage points, with 48 percent favoring Democratic candidates and 45 percent supporting Republican candidates for the lower chamber of Congress.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.1    4 months ago

There is no Republican Party. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.3  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    4 months ago
There is no Republican Party.

There is no democratic party. [deleted][✘]

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

800

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 months ago

less than 15% of Americans strongly approve of Donald Trump.

From AI:

Approximately 23% of U.S. adults (about 1 in 5) experience Any Mental Illness (AMI) in any given year. Furthermore, about 46% of Americans will meet the criteria for a diagnosable mental health condition at some point during their lifetime.

That Venn diagram would look like a donut.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

Maine just nominated a man described as a bigger clown than Walz, which would seem hard to do.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 months ago

Your president is the biggest clown.  The whole world hates him.  Do you think that is good for America ? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 months ago
Do you think that is good for America ? 

America is doing just fine and will continue to do so as long as the DSA is held back.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.1.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Right Down the Center @4.1.1    4 months ago
as long as the DSA is held back.

Thinking about the DSA in the wrong context, its not a political offshoot  or party, think of them like the services union  and their adherents as union members .

Even in its latest platform release they dont claim to be a party but an organization .

 once they get established within the party of choice , the odds of pumping the breaks and stopping them become a pipe dream and i think they chose the dem party because they are the ones most easily turned , they have no chance of turning those on the right on the republican side , and no real chance of turning most independents and I think the dems think they can pump the so called breaks and make them minority players once elections are won . i doubt there are enough old school dems to pull that off jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif , and once in place DSA is going after anyone regardless of party that has businesses , property or wealth .  It might take a couple few election cycles though .

Just my opinion of the situation , and it could be wrong , but somehow , i doubt it .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 months ago

Before I forget:

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Well done Sir.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5  Mark in Wyoming     4 months ago

I will only point out , the topic of the seed  and the statements , is from March 2025 ,  4 months after the 24 election , before ANY formal autopsy of how or why voters did what they did .

 Be that as it may be , any "masculinity " show in todays society has been viewed negatively and toxic , trying to tell people one is the Alpha  seldom works , if you have to tell people your the alpha , you likely are not . one can only be an alpha if others think you are , not because you say you are .

 what was that line in GOT? if one has to tell people they are the king , chances are they are not .

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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5.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5    4 months ago
if you have to tell people your the alpha , you likely are not . one can only be an alpha if others think you are , not because you say you are .

But Trump tells US All everyday....

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Igknorantzruls @5.1    4 months ago

Well thankfully for me , i dont put much stock or Creedence into what he has to say , kinda like looking at what he had to say about Canadian wildfires , and what some euro politician had to say about blaming the US for European deaths during a heat wave , just have to shake ones head and ask if they are stupid or something , but be careful , that question  will likely be taken as a challenge .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

In Conclusion:

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We don't seem to be getting much of a rebuttal from the left anymore. This article got little dialogue from them.

Memes and obscenity appear to be all they have left. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 months ago
Memes and obscenity appear to be all they have left. 

Wash, rinse, repeat

 
 
 
Thomas
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6.2  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 months ago

I like reading your articles because they provide for a hearty laugh.

Listening to the world passed through your filters pops out like one of those novels thematically based on what would have happened if the Nazis had won WWII: A distorted and dystopian amalgam of disparate factoids strung together with what can only be understood as personal wishes, because they ignore large swathes of factual information whilst clinging to the scraps of truth that manage to make it through, all twisted and contorted, out of shape and bent through the writing process, performative, like an interpretive dance on acid, to which you then give yourself a smug pat on the back, not realizing that no one bothered to feel it worth the time to type a comment to correct you. 

Your assumption that white working-class voters are searching for a “male role model” is sexist and misogynistic. It reduces working-class men to a cartoon of masculinity while treating women as inherently incapable of representing them. Susan Collins might just want to say something about that.

And why need they be white? The country has already demonstrated that voters can elect people of different races. Maine specifically voted strongly for Barack Obama in both 2008 and 2012, giving him more than 56 percent of the vote each time.

So you say they are looking for a stereotype. I think they are looking for someone who can do the job and protect their interest.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thomas @6.2    4 months ago
It reduces working-class men to a cartoon of masculinity while treating women as inherently incapable of representing them

Lol. That's literally the reasoning behind the recruitment of Platner, the nomination of Walz....

And, of course, a party who is convinced only black people can represent blacks etc...

 
 
 
Thomas
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6.2.2  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.1    4 months ago

No. That is the reasoning that you placed upon the progressive strawman that lives in your head. Ultimately, the people listening to his words were responsible for choosing Platner from all of the candidates running for the nomination.  

I would think that he was chosen for his charismatic confidence and ability to articulate a vision of the future that resonated with the voters, rather than reaching for the trope of the the white "father knows best" character, especially with the steady drip of extremely bad choices that he made in the past seeming to not affect his standing, quite possibly the result of Trump's repeated and continuous lowering of the bar on what is expected of a politician, to the point of expecting representatives to be rude, crass and unfeeling. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Thomas @6.2.2    4 months ago
Ultimately, the people listening to his words were responsible for choosing Platner from all of the candidates running for the nomination.  

Of course. It's democrats who are responsible for nominating a known bigoted psychopath with a Nazi tattoo. That separated him from other progressives.  Well, maybe not the bigot part.

But of course, he was only on the ballot because he was recruited by out of state consultants:

orris Katz, the 27-year-old ad maker and strategist with Fight Agency who was being heralded as a wunderkind for having helped elect Zohran Mamdani mayor of New York City, was holding court with roughly two dozen prominent guests about what he cast as a repeatable solution for Democrats, according to a person who attended the dinner, granted anonymity to describe a private event. “We found a model here to win over working-class voters,” the attendee recalled Katz saying. Find “a guy that looks like he’s a union working-class guy” and put him forward,   Katz   said, the attendee also recalled.

 
 
 
Thomas
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6.2.4  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.3    4 months ago

Hahahahahaha.

Do you somehow think that by explaining how you are wrong, I am endorsing either the candidate who was chosen or the voters who chose him? You cannot read minds, so you cannot say why people voted for him or any other candidate.

You are shoving everything ever learned about Platner into a sack, pretending voters knew everything when they voted for him, treating every vote as an endorsement of all his bad behavior, and then claiming that the bad behavior was the distinguishing reason people voted for him. That distorts the chronology and falsely equates voting for him with endorsing his actions.

Was he recruited? Absolutely. Anyone with half a brain knows that. But they also know that the recruiters were overzealous and failed to vet him properly. They asked him whether he had any skeletons in his closet, and he said, “No.” They should have been more thorough and checked. That is on them.

But you cannot run the scam that every progressive voter liked, approved of, or even knew about everything Platner had allegedly done merely because they voted for him.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 months ago
This article got little dialogue from them.

Why bother? The rightwing conservatives don't listen, they just keep regurgitating the same old tired bullshit rhetoric that has been debunked or shown as taken out of context over and over again, it's pointless to try and debate any of their horse shit seeds. And clearly, they're doing it in an attempt to troll people they disagree with, but I don't think the results have been what they were hoping for. And even when the conservatives continually get made the fool because they make it soooo easy, they continue to walk around pretending they're winning which is just getting really sad to watch.

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