the sales organization I worked for used to give me all the leads that called in if the customer had a foreign accent, especially asian. the first few times I failed miserably and couldn't close the sale. then I realized the common thread in negotiating the price with those that weren't used to paying whatever price was listed. I'd do my usual pitch, measure, and calculate the price. then I would double it, and start the sales negotiation process.
this is where my 3 years of high school drama class really paid off. naturally after hearing the prices, the customer would offer me half, which I would've happily settled for. but to fold up the tent early would cheapen the process and lead to customer suspicion. I needed to spend some time convincing the decision maker he had stolen the goods at a bargain price in order for him to be able save face with the mrs and drive all the proverbial nails into the sales casket lid. I'd plead, beg and try multiple attempts to advance the price, offering all the excuses that I could think of, before finally capitulating to an increase in price a fraction over what the customer wanted to pay.
my sales close was a sincere faced ask of a promise from them not to get mad at me if the "sales manager" rejected their contract due to the low price and that they had to promise to give me at least one referral to a friend that wasn't as good of a negotiator as the client to ease my painful monetary shortfall. all while I was writing the contract with a furrowed brow and shaking my head selling the premise that somebody had just beaten me out of my sales commission. I never had a contract cancellation from any one of those sales. when the sales manager asked me how I accomplished closing those sales or asked me to take a sales trainee along to learn, I demanded compensation for those services. I was on 100% commission based pay, and since 2 salespersons in the home queers the deal, my time and sales secrets were far from free. I've never told anyone until now how I did it.
Did anyone notice that no one actually produced any lemons? The video begins with "when life hands you lemons". The video is describing how a services economy works.
Has anyone here been to a "third world" country where items don't have a price on them-- rather you "negotiate" the price for every sale? The seller (native person) negotiates with the tourist for the price?
Hopefully the buyer and the seller finally reach an agreement on the price, and the sale is made! (On occasion, after some negotiating, they can't agree on a price and the potential buyer actually walks away without making the purchase...)
Has anyone here been to a "third world" country where items don't have a price on them-- rather you "negotiate" the price for every sale? The seller (native person) negotiates with the tourist for the price?
I and my family lived in the Philippines for four years when I was in the Navy and went through that every time we went the local markets off base.No prices were marked. Haggling was a way of life. The seller would set the price above the worth and the lowest being what they would accept. The key was to find the acceptable price somewhere in the middle. My wife and kids got real good at it after a while.
Then you must've had some experience in negotiating in native markets (at lease in Somalia). I
Do they also negotiating for price in some South Korean markets? (I don't know much about the country but I've always thought of it as been very modern...)
The seller would set the price above the worth and the lowest being what they would accept. The key was to find the acceptable price somewhere in the middle. My wife and kids got real good at it after a while.
Yes, that's the type of market I was thinking about.
Some people might disagree, but I've always thought of that as the purest form of capitalism (Both buyer and seller are free to try to try to get the price they want)
Some people would argue that the U.S. is too "Socialist"-- or perhaps not Socialist enough. But IMO what we have here is actually a "mixed system". .
Some people would argue that the U.S. is too "Socialist"-- or perhaps not Socialist enough. But IMO what we have here is actually a "mixed system". .
The capitalism part should be pretty obvious. But what's Socialist? Well you have to pay taxes (pay money into the system). Then the government distributes it back to the people (for example, Social Security...or even by building roads, etc
Has anyone here been to a "third world" country where items don't have a price on them-- rather you "negotiate" the price for every sale?
I have been to countries that haggle. . . and it gives me a 'headache.' All my (long) life, I have insisted that sellers (to me) give me their bottom number or set cost to purchase - or I walk away. That said, I was a visitor (and my time in country limited) to those countries and thus, haggling did not become a way of life for me or a significant issue. That said, I have seen people haggling over cost here in the states. . .and to me it feels time-consuming. So I do not/can not do it.
I and my family lived in the Philippines for four years when I was in the Navy and went through that every time we went the local markets off base.No prices were marked. Haggling was a way of life. The seller would set the price above the worth and the lowest being what they would accept. The key was to find the acceptable price somewhere in the middle. My wife and kids got real good at it after a while.
I've spent some time in countries with marketplaces where hagling is the norm: Mexico several times. Morocco, Egypt, some situations in Israel.
At first I hated hagling-- because I wasn't used to it. But after a while I also got used to it and got to be fairly good at it.
All in many place there were natives who were amazing-- both as buyers as well as sellers.
Sometimes the selllers were very dramatic. And very funny.
I remember one guy saying "I'd love to sell it to you at that price. But I can't. I have a wife and 5 kids to support. If I sell things at that price I won't have enough money. My wife and kids will die of starvation. Do you want my family to die?
I have been to countries that haggle. . . and it gives me a 'headache
foreign merchants know that. most american tourists are legitimately viewed worldwide as wealthy, non-confrontational, and stupid. every retailer in the world's wet dream. why wouldn't they ask for a ridiculous price on merchandise up front from those most likely to pay it.
I thought about that too. And I 'know' what you mean. Still, I just could not bring myself to haggle. . . and, the sentiment persists to this day. I even hate contractors who insist on coming to the house to 'sell' me their products. Because it's a damn GAME of find out the true cost (requiring a lot of 'work' and time).
here you go newbie, this is the easiest way to haggle, start walking away and then stop when you hear the price you're willing to pay. make financial decisions, not emotional decisions.
I was that contractor and I did in-home sales of home improvements. no home or project is the same as the next one and there is no set price. it's all based upon project size, installation time and choice of materials. for those people I liked, I was completely transparent and I helped them by avoiding expensive pitfalls thru the process. I never sold financing, because the interest rates were excessive and they weren't paying me to originate their shitty loans. I told the clients how to get the money much less expensively thru their bank if they needed it. sometimes I even told them not to do the project if I had all the info on their personal financial situation or if I thought it would impact them negatively, because the best contractors know which projects to pass on. I provided a sales service, because I can't stand typical sales people, and I only acted like one around people I didn't like.
I favored helping single women because they were more vulnerable to stereotypical salesmen, younger homeowners that would be thrown into a financial abyss with a bad decision, insurance claim jobs because I liked bending over crooked adjusters, and senior citizens just to keep them from being taken advantage of by the unscrupulous. I was willing to take the financial hit that day, because of the easy sales referrals they would reward me with later. on the flip side, I also took people that had pissed me off by saying something stupid to the woodshed and then I put the fucking lumber to them. every xmas was like being a kid because of the gifts prior customers would bring me in the office. the best part was the looks of utter shock from my peers and management. I would have to start processing holiday cards to clients in october, because I hand wrote an individual sentiment in each of them. I finally had to stop doing it after I reached 600+ cards a year.
I've been retired for 5 years now and not associated with a home improvement contractor for a decade prior to that. I still get referrals calling me and I help them, because I gave my word to those previous clients that referred them to me. all of my accounts at the distributors are still open, and the installers I use know they get paid in cash on the day of completion. I became successful in sales by ignoring all the old rules of sales, taught by the old sales relics that hadn't closed a sale since they became sales managers, and then I refused to tell them how I had done it. for 15 years I was always in the top 3 closers of a sales organization that ranged from 12 to 40+ salespeople. I had the unheard of home improvement closing percentage of over 80%, because I generated my own leads, and I had less than a dozen customer cancelled contracts in 24 years. my last sales manager told me that low number of cancelled contracts meant that I wasn't selling hard enough. my response to him was me asking him how much cancelled contracts paid, nothing, and then I reminded him that I made over $50K more than him per year.
he was offended because I always made it a point to be writing a sales contract instead of attending his boring, weekly, mandatory, sales misinformation meetings that taught lower performers how to fail in sales. that was the only legitimate delay I ever offered to any fence sitter clients on holding my price given that day, and only if we write the contract at 10am on thursday during the sales meeting or the deal is off. despite numerous attempts by the revolving door of sales managers to force my attendance, ownership knew enough not to piss off the high earners and I exploited that. I hated attending nonproductive and redundant meetings just to prove I was a team player. I was more than willing to remind them that as commissioned sales person, they didn't pay me, the customer did, and all they really did was hold my money for me since I managed all my own projects.
the last sales manager that tried to make me attend his meetings, got to speak with a relative at the US dept of labor about not paying minimum wage to 100% commissioned sales people that were required to attend mandatory 4 hour sale meetings once a week, mandatory showroom shifts, home improvement show shifts, and how long he and the company had allowed that to happen. I had prearranged that call with my cousin who was the person running the local dept of labor office, after I had threatened a class action suit against the company for back pay. the sales meetings then turned into monthly and voluntary company golf tournaments or out of the office team building events with lunch included. my cousin and I still laugh about that whenever we talk.
How informative. And. . . dare I say. . . your comment has credibility with me as 'insider' information. . . and I base that on the singular fact that it is open and plain speak and "Dev" I don't think I have ever read such a long comment from you to anyone here!
Aside: There has only been one other commenter here that has ever called "me": "Newbie." It was, 'The People's Fish'! He separated from this assembly visibly after January 6, 2021 (The Capitol Riot).
Of course I have SOLD merchandise to my customers (and friends and family). Yes, I made the product look "desirable" too. Now then, what are you (really) asking me? I am perplexed by those two questions essentialness to this discussion. Please elaborate.
People are different. When attempting to sell something, different people try different approaches.
BTW when I say "sell something" it doesn't have to be an object. It could be that what somone is trying to sell is an idea. (That happens all the time here on NT-- people are constantly trying to sell others an idea-- that is their political viewpoint-- that their political views are "the right ones".
Some people are constantly trying to "sell" their religious beliefs-- trying to convert people!
Of course I have SOLD merchandise to my customers (and friends and family). Yes, I made the product look "desirable" too.
Of course-- that's what good salespeople do!
(And there's nothing wrong with that).
That's Capitalism.
Under some other systems, (foe example Communism, the government does primarily try to show you their alledged benefits of the system-- they force you to do it, whether you like it or not!
What is the point of haggling - besides the obvious deal making? Is it to avoid a set tax rate for the governments of these countries? How do these countries ascribe relative fair taxes on their citizens on what is purchases. . . or do they?
What is the point of haggling? Well in these countries it’s not like they recently debated amongst themselves what system to use. (Whether to use “haggling” or use the system we use, the system of a fixed price, one that is clearly marked on a price tag on the object or a sign nearby).
This system of haggling has been in place for years in some cases for centuries! It’s just part of their culture that they’re used for a long, long time.
(I’m not arguing that any one system is “better” or “worse”. I have traveled a fair amount … after those experiences I’ve become more tolerant of different cultures and different people who do many things differently than the country I grew up in (U.S.).
Do you know how these countries collect tax/es? Any tax funds derived from haggling (voluntary submissions of income to the state)? How does one tax haggling?
Google Is Your Friend. Er Krishna I asked a (innocent) question at 6. You 'offered' yourself to discuss it. Therefore, I considered you may know more about it than myself! Excuse me. It was not my intention to put anybody on the spot!
As for research, I like to think I can drill down on a topic as well as most here.
This is not about me. I asked others a question about haggling that I thought 'they' might know. It was not to discuss my 'bio.' So I won't be doing that. If you do not know, I will look it up myself. As you indicated GIM(Y)F.
Sometimes here there is a discussion with several people participating. But sometimes it changes to mostly two people interacting (as we have here now).
Which IMO is about you. And me!
Especially our beliefs and our knowledge. I do my best to communicate clearly. One thing that helps that is if I know some things about the person I'm talking to.
Most people know a lot about a few subjects, and know little about other topics.
So knowing that helps me address both the things they know a lot about-- and those they don't.
Most people know a lot about a few subjects, and know little about other topics. So knowing that helps me address both the things they know a lot about-- and those they don't.
That's why I asked if you traveled outside the U.S. (But what I should've asked was if you ever actually been to a place where "haggling" was the norm).
If that was the case, you know a lot about it.
However if you never observed it there would be much more you didn't know about it.
By knowing what you experienced it would help me know how to better discuss it with you!
By knowing what you experienced it would help me know how to better discuss it with you!
Here's another example.
I often have conversations with Buzz. He knows a tremendous amount re: movies-- especially classic movies. But that's a topic I know very little about.
But OTOH, I know a lot about trading stocks-- a topic he knows little about. (There are a few people here who do know a lot about trading).
So if I were talking to Buzz about the market, I'd have to talk to him as if he was a "beginner". (Otherwise I'd have to constantly stop and explain many things).
OTOH if we were discussing movies, he's have to stop and explain too often-- because there's so much I don't know.
So when trying to discuss some topics with someone, its important to know what they already know-- and don't know.
So when trying to discuss some topics with someone, its important to know what they already know-- and don't know.
Incidentally for most people who aren't too familiar with how "haggling" works (and may have an erroneous negative impression about it) I just realized the probable reason it evolved-- and is still dominent in some societies. Its because when done properly. both the buyer and the seller are usually more satisfied than in "our system" (going to a store which only has items with a fixed price..."take it or leave it")
Its because when done properly. both the buyer and the seller are usually more satisfied than in "our system" (going to a store which only has items with a fixed price..."take it or leave it")
BTW I erroneously implied that what you refer to as "haggling" doesn't exist in our country. I was wrong! It does exist-- and is often quite sucessful.Bothbuyer and sell walk away quite satisfied.
Don't think so? Here's a hint:
Does the name Ryan Serhant ring a bell? How about Frederick Eklund?
Jamaica is a place you are expected to Haggle, especially outside vendors. It felt weird at first but after a while it was kinda fun.
I had the same experience!
At first it does seem strange (because its so different then the way we're used to buying things). And at first there may be the fear of "being ripped off".
But sticking with it, I became better at it...and over time enjoyed it!
See 3.1.6. please. I find haggling boring and thus, it raises my blood pressure. I have family from Nicaragua that 'love' to haggle. I was in Tijuana once-before I understood what haggling is - it was happening. . . I walked away. It took later years for me to understand what happened to that proposed 'deal' - as a citizen of a 'set price' nation I did not comprehend that the seller was haggling with me. Apparently, that merchant did not understand that I did not understand and so the 'purchase' collapsed soon after it started.
Back to my family members that love to haggle. . . they can stand for a long time going back and forth with a merchant-even in the states here. It's funny to watch them 'deal' —sort of. One story goes a family member talked a border agent to payhim for shipping product across the border after haggling over cost! Sounds like a myth. But, its not.
BTW, Alexa did tell me all about haggling in foreign countries, and yes, I have traveled to several of them. While there, I, personally did not haggle. I simply asked them to give a price and I went with that. If they did not oblige me or stayed too high I would walk away.
See 3.1.6 . please. I find haggling boring and thus, it raises my blood pressure. I have family from Nicaragua that 'love' to haggle. I was in Tijuana once-before I understood what haggling is - it was happening. . . I walked away. It took later years for me to understand what happened to that proposed 'deal' - as a citizen of a 'set price' nation I did not comprehend that the seller was haggling with me. Apparently, that merchant did not understand that I did not understand and so the 'purchase' collapsed soon after it started.
I guess my comments were not clear. I really don't care whether you (or anyone else here) haggles. Or not.
(And BTW there is still a way you can easily make a purchase from a merchant who wants to haggle (when you don't want to).Seriously, I kid you not!
Simply ask him the price-- pay him whatever he says-- then walk away with your purchase.
No hassles, no serious threats either to your blood pressure or other serious health issues-- plus you easily end up getting what you wanted! (And even the merchant is happy. Because he ended up not only making a sale but also because he ended up selling it for more than it was worth, ). Ita a win-win for both parties!
If done properly, often both the buyer and seller are more satisfied than they would be in situations where there a marked price-- and no chance for those involved to change it.
Thing about this is that the consumer is just as responsible for falling for all this crap as the marketers and producers are.
I.e., there's little excuse for human nature?
PT Barnum "there's a sucker born every minute".
"Let the Buyer beware" Anon but as old as Rome, "Caveat Emptor".
or is it just nature in general?
" It's a dog eat dog world ".
I.e., there's little excuse for human nature?
PT Barnum "there's a sucker born every minute".
"Let the Buyer beware" Anon but as old as Rome, "Caveat Emptor".
or is it just nature in general?
" It's a dog eat dog world ".
Well of course there are sellers who are dishonest to varying degrees, and sellers who are honest.
Just as there are buys who take no responsibility for their actions-- and those who do.
And everything in between...
the sales organization I worked for used to give me all the leads that called in if the customer had a foreign accent, especially asian. the first few times I failed miserably and couldn't close the sale. then I realized the common thread in negotiating the price with those that weren't used to paying whatever price was listed. I'd do my usual pitch, measure, and calculate the price. then I would double it, and start the sales negotiation process.
this is where my 3 years of high school drama class really paid off. naturally after hearing the prices, the customer would offer me half, which I would've happily settled for. but to fold up the tent early would cheapen the process and lead to customer suspicion. I needed to spend some time convincing the decision maker he had stolen the goods at a bargain price in order for him to be able save face with the mrs and drive all the proverbial nails into the sales casket lid. I'd plead, beg and try multiple attempts to advance the price, offering all the excuses that I could think of, before finally capitulating to an increase in price a fraction over what the customer wanted to pay.
my sales close was a sincere faced ask of a promise from them not to get mad at me if the "sales manager" rejected their contract due to the low price and that they had to promise to give me at least one referral to a friend that wasn't as good of a negotiator as the client to ease my painful monetary shortfall. all while I was writing the contract with a furrowed brow and shaking my head selling the premise that somebody had just beaten me out of my sales commission. I never had a contract cancellation from any one of those sales. when the sales manager asked me how I accomplished closing those sales or asked me to take a sales trainee along to learn, I demanded compensation for those services. I was on 100% commission based pay, and since 2 salespersons in the home queers the deal, my time and sales secrets were far from free. I've never told anyone until now how I did it.
I think in many cases what makes a really good saleman is the ability to be a really good actor! (Or at least the ability to "think creatively".
Did anyone notice that no one actually produced any lemons? The video begins with "when life hands you lemons". The video is describing how a services economy works.
The video is fast information and so true. Capitalism is Sell, Sell, Sell!
Has anyone here been to a "third world" country where items don't have a price on them-- rather you "negotiate" the price for every sale? The seller (native person) negotiates with the tourist for the price?
Hopefully the buyer and the seller finally reach an agreement on the price, and the sale is made! (On occasion, after some negotiating, they can't agree on a price and the potential buyer actually walks away without making the purchase...)
South Korea in the 80's. Somalia.
I and my family lived in the Philippines for four years when I was in the Navy and went through that every time we went the local markets off base.No prices were marked. Haggling was a way of life. The seller would set the price above the worth and the lowest being what they would accept. The key was to find the acceptable price somewhere in the middle. My wife and kids got real good at it after a while.
Then you must've had some experience in negotiating in native markets (at lease in Somalia). I
Do they also negotiating for price in some South Korean markets? (I don't know much about the country but I've always thought of it as been very modern...)
Yes, that's the type of market I was thinking about.
Some people might disagree, but I've always thought of that as the purest form of capitalism (Both buyer and seller are free to try to try to get the price they want)
Some people would argue that the U.S. is too "Socialist"-- or perhaps not Socialist enough. But IMO what we have here is actually a "mixed system". .
The capitalism part should be pretty obvious. But what's Socialist? Well you have to pay taxes (pay money into the system). Then the government distributes it back to the people (for example, Social Security...or even by building roads, etc
I have been to countries that haggle. . . and it gives me a 'headache.' All my (long) life, I have insisted that sellers (to me) give me their bottom number or set cost to purchase - or I walk away. That said, I was a visitor (and my time in country limited) to those countries and thus, haggling did not become a way of life for me or a significant issue. That said, I have seen people haggling over cost here in the states. . .and to me it feels time-consuming. So I do not/can not do it.
I've spent some time in countries with marketplaces where hagling is the norm: Mexico several times. Morocco, Egypt, some situations in Israel.
At first I hated hagling-- because I wasn't used to it. But after a while I also got used to it and got to be fairly good at it.
All in many place there were natives who were amazing-- both as buyers as well as sellers.
Sometimes the selllers were very dramatic. And very funny.
I remember one guy saying "I'd love to sell it to you at that price. But I can't. I have a wife and 5 kids to support. If I sell things at that price I won't have enough money. My wife and kids will die of starvation. Do you want my family to die?
LOL!
They still do it that way today, especially in the rural markets away from Manila
I was at San Miguel a hour drive North of the Subic Bay complex.
foreign merchants know that. most american tourists are legitimately viewed worldwide as wealthy, non-confrontational, and stupid. every retailer in the world's wet dream. why wouldn't they ask for a ridiculous price on merchandise up front from those most likely to pay it.
I thought about that too. And I 'know' what you mean. Still, I just could not bring myself to haggle. . . and, the sentiment persists to this day. I even hate contractors who insist on coming to the house to 'sell' me their products. Because it's a damn GAME of find out the true cost (requiring a lot of 'work' and time).
here you go newbie, this is the easiest way to haggle, start walking away and then stop when you hear the price you're willing to pay. make financial decisions, not emotional decisions.
I was that contractor and I did in-home sales of home improvements. no home or project is the same as the next one and there is no set price. it's all based upon project size, installation time and choice of materials. for those people I liked, I was completely transparent and I helped them by avoiding expensive pitfalls thru the process. I never sold financing, because the interest rates were excessive and they weren't paying me to originate their shitty loans. I told the clients how to get the money much less expensively thru their bank if they needed it. sometimes I even told them not to do the project if I had all the info on their personal financial situation or if I thought it would impact them negatively, because the best contractors know which projects to pass on. I provided a sales service, because I can't stand typical sales people, and I only acted like one around people I didn't like.
I favored helping single women because they were more vulnerable to stereotypical salesmen, younger homeowners that would be thrown into a financial abyss with a bad decision, insurance claim jobs because I liked bending over crooked adjusters, and senior citizens just to keep them from being taken advantage of by the unscrupulous. I was willing to take the financial hit that day, because of the easy sales referrals they would reward me with later. on the flip side, I also took people that had pissed me off by saying something stupid to the woodshed and then I put the fucking lumber to them. every xmas was like being a kid because of the gifts prior customers would bring me in the office. the best part was the looks of utter shock from my peers and management. I would have to start processing holiday cards to clients in october, because I hand wrote an individual sentiment in each of them. I finally had to stop doing it after I reached 600+ cards a year.
I've been retired for 5 years now and not associated with a home improvement contractor for a decade prior to that. I still get referrals calling me and I help them, because I gave my word to those previous clients that referred them to me. all of my accounts at the distributors are still open, and the installers I use know they get paid in cash on the day of completion. I became successful in sales by ignoring all the old rules of sales, taught by the old sales relics that hadn't closed a sale since they became sales managers, and then I refused to tell them how I had done it. for 15 years I was always in the top 3 closers of a sales organization that ranged from 12 to 40+ salespeople. I had the unheard of home improvement closing percentage of over 80%, because I generated my own leads, and I had less than a dozen customer cancelled contracts in 24 years. my last sales manager told me that low number of cancelled contracts meant that I wasn't selling hard enough. my response to him was me asking him how much cancelled contracts paid, nothing, and then I reminded him that I made over $50K more than him per year.
he was offended because I always made it a point to be writing a sales contract instead of attending his boring, weekly, mandatory, sales misinformation meetings that taught lower performers how to fail in sales. that was the only legitimate delay I ever offered to any fence sitter clients on holding my price given that day, and only if we write the contract at 10am on thursday during the sales meeting or the deal is off. despite numerous attempts by the revolving door of sales managers to force my attendance, ownership knew enough not to piss off the high earners and I exploited that. I hated attending nonproductive and redundant meetings just to prove I was a team player. I was more than willing to remind them that as commissioned sales person, they didn't pay me, the customer did, and all they really did was hold my money for me since I managed all my own projects.
the last sales manager that tried to make me attend his meetings, got to speak with a relative at the US dept of labor about not paying minimum wage to 100% commissioned sales people that were required to attend mandatory 4 hour sale meetings once a week, mandatory showroom shifts, home improvement show shifts, and how long he and the company had allowed that to happen. I had prearranged that call with my cousin who was the person running the local dept of labor office, after I had threatened a class action suit against the company for back pay. the sales meetings then turned into monthly and voluntary company golf tournaments or out of the office team building events with lunch included. my cousin and I still laugh about that whenever we talk.
How informative. And. . . dare I say. . . your comment has credibility with me as 'insider' information. . . and I base that on the singular fact that it is open and plain speak and "Dev" I don't think I have ever read such a long comment from you to anyone here!
Aside: There has only been one other commenter here that has ever called "me": "Newbie." It was, 'The People's Fish'! He separated from this assembly visibly after January 6, 2021 (The Capitol Riot).
I also got all the gay clientele, which almost always purchased the premium products and were usually a referral bonanza ...
fishstick can go piss up an electric rope for all I care ...
What can "we' say. . . a 'gal' likes good treatment from the fellas! HA! And momma said: When you find a good 'salesman' share him with ya 'fam-fams'
The People's Fish used to call me, "homeslice" too.
clever video
That's about how it is done, somewhere everyday! Slick video!
Have you ever tried to sell something to someone? Trying to make what you're selling look as desirable as possible?
(Maybe going on a job interviiew...???)
Of course I have SOLD merchandise to my customers (and friends and family). Yes, I made the product look "desirable" too. Now then, what are you (really) asking me? I am perplexed by those two questions essentialness to this discussion. Please elaborate.
Sorry, I thought my comments were clear. Let me try to explain further:
People are different. When attempting to sell something, different people try different approaches.
And different "sales pitches" appeal to different people. What is effective for some potential "buyers" won't work with others.
Some "sellers" always more or less stick to the same sales pitches. Others try to figure out what will appeal to different people.
And different people will find different styles of "selling" to be be to their liking-- or not.
BTW when I say "sell something" it doesn't have to be an object. It could be that what somone is trying to sell is an idea. (That happens all the time here on NT-- people are constantly trying to sell others an idea-- that is their political viewpoint-- that their political views are "the right ones".
Some people are constantly trying to "sell" their religious beliefs-- trying to convert people!
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Of course-- that's what good salespeople do!
(And there's nothing wrong with that).
That's Capitalism.
Under some other systems, (foe example Communism, the government does primarily try to show you their alledged benefits of the system-- they force you to do it, whether you like it or not!
What is the point of haggling - besides the obvious deal making? Is it to avoid a set tax rate for the governments of these countries? How do these countries ascribe relative fair taxes on their citizens on what is purchases. . . or do they?
What is the point of haggling? Well in these countries it’s not like they recently debated amongst themselves what system to use. (Whether to use “haggling” or use the system we use, the system of a fixed price, one that is clearly marked on a price tag on the object or a sign nearby).
This system of haggling has been in place for years in some cases for centuries! It’s just part of their culture that they’re used for a long, long time.
(I’m not arguing that any one system is “better” or “worse”. I have traveled a fair amount … after those experiences I’ve become more tolerant of different cultures and different people who do many things differently than the country I grew up in (U.S.).
Do you know how these countries collect tax/es? Any tax funds derived from haggling (voluntary submissions of income to the state)? How does one tax haggling?
No I don’t have the slightest idea how they collect taxes.And I really don’t care,
I don’t have any idea about whether or not part of income from haggling goes to the state. (And I really dont care in the least.)
I haven’t the slightest idea how one would tax haggling. And strange as it may seem to you I don’t care about that either!
My advice to you?
GIYF!!! 😊
Google Is Your Friend. Er Krishna I asked a (innocent) question at 6. You 'offered' yourself to discuss it. Therefore, I considered you may know more about it than myself! Excuse me. It was not my intention to put anybody on the spot!
As for research, I like to think I can drill down on a topic as well as most here.
CB: Have you ever been outside of the U.S.?
Have I ever been outside the U.S.? Yes.
Where have you been? Specifically were any of those places where “haggling” was common?
This is not about me. I asked others a question about haggling that I thought 'they' might know. It was not to discuss my 'bio.' So I won't be doing that. If you do not know, I will look it up myself. As you indicated GIM(Y)F.
Therefore, so is Alexa!
Depends how you define it!
Sometimes here there is a discussion with several people participating. But sometimes it changes to mostly two people interacting (as we have here now).
Which IMO is about you. And me!
Especially our beliefs and our knowledge. I do my best to communicate clearly. One thing that helps that is if I know some things about the person I'm talking to.
Most people know a lot about a few subjects, and know little about other topics.
So knowing that helps me address both the things they know a lot about-- and those they don't.
That's why I asked if you traveled outside the U.S. (But what I should've asked was if you ever actually been to a place where "haggling" was the norm).
If that was the case, you know a lot about it.
However if you never observed it there would be much more you didn't know about it.
By knowing what you experienced it would help me know how to better discuss it with you!
Jamaica is a place you are expected to Haggle, especially outside vendors. It felt weird at first but after a while it was kinda fun.
Here's another example.
I often have conversations with Buzz. He knows a tremendous amount re: movies-- especially classic movies. But that's a topic I know very little about.
But OTOH, I know a lot about trading stocks-- a topic he knows little about. (There are a few people here who do know a lot about trading).
So if I were talking to Buzz about the market, I'd have to talk to him as if he was a "beginner". (Otherwise I'd have to constantly stop and explain many things).
OTOH if we were discussing movies, he's have to stop and explain too often-- because there's so much I don't know.
So when trying to discuss some topics with someone, its important to know what they already know-- and don't know.
Incidentally for most people who aren't too familiar with how "haggling" works (and may have an erroneous negative impression about it) I just realized the probable reason it evolved-- and is still dominent in some societies. Its because when done properly. both the buyer and the seller are usually more satisfied than in "our system" (going to a store which only has items with a fixed price..."take it or leave it")
BTW I erroneously implied that what you refer to as "haggling" doesn't exist in our country. I was wrong! It does exist-- and is often quite sucessful.Bothbuyer and sell walk away quite satisfied.
Don't think so? Here's a hint:
Does the name Ryan Serhant ring a bell? How about Frederick Eklund?
I had the same experience!
At first it does seem strange (because its so different then the way we're used to buying things). And at first there may be the fear of "being ripped off".
But sticking with it, I became better at it...and over time enjoyed it!
While there are many places where it happens-- I actually had been to Jamaica! (Negril).
See 3.1.6. please. I find haggling boring and thus, it raises my blood pressure. I have family from Nicaragua that 'love' to haggle. I was in Tijuana once-before I understood what haggling is - it was happening. . . I walked away. It took later years for me to understand what happened to that proposed 'deal' - as a citizen of a 'set price' nation I did not comprehend that the seller was haggling with me. Apparently, that merchant did not understand that I did not understand and so the 'purchase' collapsed soon after it started.
Back to my family members that love to haggle. . . they can stand for a long time going back and forth with a merchant-even in the states here. It's funny to watch them 'deal' —sort of. One story goes a family member talked a border agent to pay him for shipping product across the border after haggling over cost! Sounds like a myth. But, its not.
BTW, Alexa did tell me all about haggling in foreign countries, and yes, I have traveled to several of them. While there, I, personally did not haggle. I simply asked them to give a price and I went with that. If they did not oblige me or stayed too high I would walk away.
I guess my comments were not clear. I really don't care whether you (or anyone else here) haggles. Or not.
(And BTW there is still a way you can easily make a purchase from a merchant who wants to haggle (when you don't want to).Seriously, I kid you not!
Simply ask him the price-- pay him whatever he says-- then walk away with your purchase.
No hassles, no serious threats either to your blood pressure or other serious health issues-- plus you easily end up getting what you wanted! (And even the merchant is happy. Because he ended up not only making a sale but also because he ended up selling it for more than it was worth, ). Ita a win-win for both parties!
Million Dollar Listing Los Angeles.
Million Dollar Listing New York.
Or how about the phrase "best and final offer" as in "that's our best and final offer"?
Haggling Americana!
I used to love those 2 shows. And IIRC, at one point Ryan Serhant had closed the largest (single most expensive) real estate deal on record (?)
A tower on Millionaire's Row NYC (57th St)
Yes--- #MillionDollarListing
If done properly, often both the buyer and seller are more satisfied than they would be in situations where there a marked price-- and no chance for those involved to change it.