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Live Commentary - January 6th Committee Hearing - Thursday June 16th, 2022

  
By:  JBB  •  Opinions  •  6 months ago  •  100 comments

Live Commentary - January 6th Committee Hearing - Thursday June 16th, 2022
"They were screaming, 'Kill Him With His Own Gun'. They tortured me. They beat me. I was unconscious for four minutes."

What are your thoughts on the ongoing proceedings?

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JBB
Professor Principal
1  author  JBB    6 months ago

original

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2  author  JBB    6 months ago

Liz Cheney won't stop until Trump is in Terra Haute!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2    6 months ago
Liz Cheney won't stop until Trump is in Terra Haute!

Gee, whatever will Democrats talk about if that ever comes true?

They don't want to or can't talk about immigration or the economy or the stock market.

They certainly can't talk about law and order, or world peace.

They can't point to stock market performance.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    6 months ago
They don't want to or can't talk about immigration or the economy or the stock market.

They certainly can't talk about law and order, or world peace.

They can't point to stock market performance.

Like I said before, we are 513 days into the Biden Dumpster Fire

Nothing Built

Nothing Back

Nothing Better.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    6 months ago

Trump attempted a Coo Coo Coup but he failed!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.3  author  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    6 months ago

Your underlying message is loud and clear...

original

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.4  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    6 months ago

Respectfully Jeremy, it is dubious you would speak well of a democrat president were the nation having a pristine state right now.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.5  author  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.1    6 months ago

President Biden's signature proposal to stimulate our economy, Biden's Build Back Better Plan, has never passed. Unlike Trump, who was given six trillion dollars of stimulus slush funding, Congress has given Biden bupkiss nothing zip to help our economy. Just be happy Biden has cut our deficit from over three trillion under Trump to near nothing...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    6 months ago
President Biden's signature proposal to stimulate our economy, Biden's Build Back Better Plan, has never passed.

Thank god.  

Just be happy Biden has cut our deficit from over three trillion under Trump to near nothing...

I see it's joke day again.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.2    6 months ago

Ok. Are Democrats capable of talking about anything else, like fixing some real problems!

How's that market treating you now,and what do you say about inflation?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @2.1.4    6 months ago

If they are worth a damn, I would be more supportive.  This current one?  He's shit.  No amount of polish is going to change that.  What he's done for the country?  He been a failure for 50 years.  He'll continue to be a failure.  His own administration doesn't even trust him.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    6 months ago

He passed a $1.5 Trillion budget and a $1.9 Covid Bill which Larry Summers warned would cause inflation.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/13/larry-summers-fed-still-much-too-optimistic-on-inflation/#:~:text=Ex-Treasury%20Secretary%20Larry%20Summers%20warned%20that%20the%20Federal,is%20teetering%20on%20the%20edge%20of%20a%20recession.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
2.1.10  Snuffy  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    6 months ago
Congress has given Biden bupkiss nothing zip to help our economy

The American Rescue Plan was passed by the House 2/27/21, the Senate on 3/6/21 and signed into law by President Biden 3/11/21.

As far as the deficit...

Just be happy Biden has cut our deficit from over three trillion under Trump to near nothing...

You really should do your homework before you post shit like this.  Even CNN doesn't agree that Biden actually cut the deficit.

Biden's figures for both the 2021 fiscal year (which ran through last September) and the ongoing 2022 fiscal year (which runs through the coming September) are accurate, though the $1.5 trillion figure for 2022 is a projection. But some experts on fiscal policy say Biden is distorting reality when he claims that he is personally responsible for the deficit going down.
The deficit has been smaller under the Biden administration than it was at the end of President Donald Trump's tenure. But the deficit has been bigger under the Biden administration than the nonpartisan federal Congressional Budget Office had projected it would be if the Biden-era federal government stuck with the laws that were in effect when Trump left office in early 2021.
"The actions of the administration and Congress have undoubtedly resulted in higher deficits, not smaller ones," Dan White, senior director at Moody's Analytics -- an economic research firm whose analysis Biden has repeatedly touted  in his speeches -- said in an email. "It is encouraging that the administration has proposed some initiatives to bring down the deficit, but so far none of those initiatives has been seriously considered."

CBO said greater-than-expected revenue growth in 2021 was due to “strong growth in economic activity, following the substantial disruption in 2020 caused by the pandemic.” CBO credited, in part, “legislation enacted in response to the pandemic.”

“As a share of GDP, which is really the way to look at this, deficits would decline from 12.4 of GDP in 2021 to 5.8 percent this year to 4.5 percent next year,” Gleckman said. “But most of that action is due to two factors: The booming economy that is likely to increase revenues substantially and a sharp decline in pandemic-related spending/tax cuts.

“I suppose Biden gets some credit for this since he and the [Democrats in Congress] designed the American Rescue Plan to include temporary spending,” Gleckman said. “But it is not as if this year’s budget includes major spending reductions. In fact, many of his proposals would increase spending.”

So while the deficit is projected to be smaller this year it really has nothing to do with Biden and his budgets.  It's more due to greater than expected tax revenue combined with a reduction in pandemic related spending.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Snuffy @2.1.10    6 months ago

I don't imagine your facts will be liked by some.

How dare you actually tell the truth???

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    6 months ago
He passed a $1.5 Trillion budget and a $1.9 Covid Bill which Larry Summers warned would cause inflation.

Facts not allowed, they won't fit in the bubble.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.13  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    6 months ago

Did Biden's Build Back Better Plan ever pass?

How much did the deficit drop in just 2 years?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.13    6 months ago
Did Biden's Build Back Better Plan ever pass?

Thankfully, NO.

It was a huge mistake and thankfully enough people were smart enough to see that.

Record high gas, record inflation, interest rates being raised dramatically, Wall Street tanking.

All under Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.14    6 months ago
All under Joe Biden.

And with the EOs that were signed on Day 1, it's all Joe's responsibility.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2.1.13    6 months ago

We can now thank Joe Manchin. Biden did get 2 out of 3 before we hit 6.3% inflation and the fast lane to a recseeion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.16    6 months ago

Even when experts tell us that more spending won't help, some folks still want to pretend that spending more is the only answer.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @2.1.13    6 months ago

Stock market is now BELOW what it was the day Biden was inaugurated.

Wow, what a freaking success story!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
2.1.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.1.5    6 months ago
Unlike Trump, who was given six trillion dollars of stimulus slush funding

Biden signed the last $1.9T in COVID stimulus.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.2  CB   replied to  JBB @2    6 months ago
Terra Haute

What is "Terra Haute in this context?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.2  author  JBB  replied to  CB @2.2    6 months ago

The FCI, Federal Correctional Institution, where all of the most dangerous federal criminals are held is located in Terra Haute, Indiana...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.2.3  CB   replied to  JBB @2.2.2    6 months ago

Like California's San Quentin. I understand.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.2.3    6 months ago

No, San Quentin is a state facilty, not federal.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.5  author  JBB  replied to  CB @2.2.3    6 months ago

The federal government has its own prisons.

Trump would likely be held at FCI Terra Haute.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.2.6  bugsy  replied to  JBB @2.2.5    6 months ago
Trump would likely be held at FCI Terra Haute.

Only in the delusional minds of the TDS ridden.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3  CB   replied to  JBB @2    6 months ago

Liz Cheney is clear on her principles in this. Her face is 'set.'

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.3.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  CB @2.3    6 months ago

of course her face is "set". 

 she understands she will be out of a job come jan .

If she still has a job i will be very surprised , it is what it is .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.3.2  CB   replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.3.1    6 months ago

I will give her respect for sitting in the 'well' and taking all the incoming falling and drenching rain on her person. It is okay to stand up for the good. A principled republican.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.3.3  author  JBB  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.3.1    6 months ago

Because having brains and backbone is bad?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.3.4  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JBB @2.3.3    6 months ago

doesnt really take "brains " to figure out if one does something the voters who vote you in disapprove , one can likely count that they wont get the votes , and like i said elsewhere , i have never seen a politician re -elected with a 70+% disapproval rating amoung those that vote , which is where Ms Cheney suits currently with wyoming voters , and those voters will decide if she keeps the job she has or not , not some out of state interests or what those from out of state think.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.3.5  author  JBB  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @2.3.4    6 months ago

Has Wyoming gone that far to Nuttersville?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
2.3.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JBB @2.3.5    6 months ago

Well you believe what CNN reports right ? they give her about a 10% chance of being re elected .

 I can say i have never voted for her , and dont see any reason to change that streak , besides since im registered indy , i dont get to vote in the deciding primary to see IF she is even on the ballot in the general come Nov. without changing my  party registration, which i am not about to do .

, time she went back to Mcclean Va where she spent most of her childhood and adult life .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3  CB     6 months ago

Ah, the committee is using "Counsel" this time as well.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4  author  JBB    6 months ago

Worst witness ever. Scared, or did he have a stroke?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1  CB   replied to  JBB @4    6 months ago

I see no mention about his health online. He is a good witness.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  CB @4.1    6 months ago

Mr Jacob is a good speaker. Mr Letting is so slow and ponderous it is hard to listen to him although his testimony was profound.

Pence was pressured by Trump to commit probably the worst of constitutional crimes.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.2  CB   replied to  JBB @4.1.1    6 months ago

I agree. However, instead of some conservatives supporting (and cheering) the honorable Mike Pence—they still want Donald Trump slavishly for their own selfish purposes.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5  author  JBB    6 months ago

Trump ordered Pence to do "Constitutional Mischief"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6  JohnRussell    6 months ago

Donald Trump and John Eastman belong in prison. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    6 months ago

You've had all the most powerful people in DC and NYC work on it.  When will we ever see an indictment?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.1  author  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    6 months ago

As nothing else will suffice Garland will deliver...

He got the needle into McVey's arm. He's got it!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @6.1.1    6 months ago

Well he did sick the FBI on parents.

On the other hand, he refused to uphold the law and arrest protestors outside the homes of Justices.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.3  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    6 months ago

Some conservatives with their narrow-bent subject matter. Why do you all insist on having your own (twist) on reality? It's weak and a problem this country has yet to fully work through.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
6.1.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  JBB @6.1.1    6 months ago
He got the needle into McVey's arm. He's got it!

Which was a slam dunk .. McVeigh murdered men, women and children with a bomb at a federal building - Daffy Duck prob could have pulled off the death penalty in that case - not taking anything away from Garland (I supported him as a justice for the Supreme Court) ... but that as an example for a vote of confidence is lacking.

The attack on the Capitol was beyond belief .. I sat there gobsmacked trying to figure out what the fuck was actually happening .. first it was called a riot, then an insurrection .. now it is a  coup d'etat for fucks sake - this is the United States of America, not the Ukraine where insurrectionist actually overthrew the government on the closing weekend of the 2014 Olympics - Oooo but wait, even though the government was overthrown that was not a coop...?  I get so confused!

Trump stirred up a hornets nest of his own making and unleashed it on the Capitol building, should be criminal, but is it?    ... he is guilty of being an ignorant asshole no doubt, was impeached by the House of Representatives for said unleashing .. after that, I am not sure what can be done - this is unbroached territory in the US.  

Shout out to Liz Cheney .. she deserves a raise and promotion for her steadfast due diligence .. sadly, very sadly, her career may be over and dumb fuck may get votes in 2024 ... the best thing for the US is if he does not run - this nation is too divided as it is .. 

On that note, I close with one last thought, the Republic of the United States of America is not in jeopardy .. the Constitution of the United States of America is not in jeopardy .. there was an attack on our peaceful transfer of power - the government was not in threat of collapse! 

Peace

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
6.1.5  GregTx  replied to  Colour Me Free @6.1.4    6 months ago

512

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8  CB     6 months ago

Mr. Jacob is quite the witness. Almost a chatterbox. :)

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
9  Greg Jones    6 months ago

By election day these sham hearings won't register on hardly anyone's consciousness

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
9.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Greg Jones @9    6 months ago

And when they get trounced in nov they will all scream  but but but Jan 6th!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10  Right Down the Center    6 months ago

What are your thoughts on the ongoing proceedings?

As long as a hearing will only show one side of an event and only has one single focus it is a sham.  The only thing it will do is give red meat to people who have already made up their minds.

There are things to be learned from Jan 6th, this commission is not the way to learn it.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @10    6 months ago

You won't accept any proceeding that does not support your narrative on the Right. You don't want to learn anything. Look at you, calling Trump white house officials parties to a sham!

There is no shame on the Right. Little decency, either.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1    6 months ago

Stop telling me what I would or would not accept or what I do or do not want to learn. It makes you look ignorant. I was asked for my opinion and I gave it. If you don't like it or agree with it then it is your problem,not mine.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.2  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.1    6 months ago

IOW...

original

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @10.1.2    6 months ago

Obviously having an adult conversation is beyond your abilities. Have a nice day

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.4  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.3    6 months ago

You had already signed off in a snit. So, go on!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.1.5  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.3    6 months ago

You had already signed off in a snit. So, go on!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.6  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.1    6 months ago

It's slavish to serve Donald Trump, a clear and present danger to the democracy. Why has your opinion never swayed at all?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1.6    6 months ago

Why don't you pay attention when I say I do not want Donald to be the republican nominee?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.8  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.7    6 months ago

If republicans thought not to put their asses in the seats for this commission or accept their 'own' (now being ousted from the party they love) then the 'sham' is on some republicans and conservatives? Why don't you pay attention to that in your analyses. The truth is being laid out before you, and you still won't agree to it. Why? Because you are loyal to Donald. Or worse, you think so lowly of democrats and liberals that Donald gets to keep his 'pedestal.'

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1.8    6 months ago

You are aware that Nancy hand picked which Republicans would be on the committee and didn't allow the ones put forward by the Republican leadership aren't you? Why don't you pay attention to that in your analysis? That makes the committee a sham.

So I tell you I don't want Donald to run and that translates to I am loyal to him and I want him to keep his pedestal. Yet you seem to expect me to take you seriously. 

If you don't want people to vote for Donald I suggest you find a moderate to nominate. And I mean a moderate, not some far left liberal pretending to be a moderate in order to get elected. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.10  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.9    6 months ago

You don't know what the heck you're trying to be condescending about! Nancy did not 'hand-pick' republicans-she invited the two republicans and they did the accepting AFTER the stunt of McCarthy trying to install Trump loyalists (aka: "ready rabblerousers") who would distort, destabilize, openly convey committee actions and documents back to Donald (you know-"loyalty"), and be all-around brow-beating to the Trump former loyalists who are tearing him a new 'one' in sworn testimony.

Take off the blinders: See!

Don't pretend you are not aware of the outrageous politics that is ripping the republican party asunder! If you don't know better, then you should. Particularly before engaging others (like me) in the 'deep-end' of the political pool.

You go find a moderate if you don't want people to vote for Trump; but, oh no, you can't because up to now you have been loyal to Donald Trump and what will Donald say once he finds out your 'disloyal' tendencies are stoked?

Finally, according to you, you need a new replacement candidate for your party from the breeding ground of 'bums' and 'chumps' left after all the regular republicans have departed.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1.10    6 months ago

So mccarthy was wrong trying to install trump loyalists but nancy was ok installing  only trump haters. Got it. What was nancy afraid the American people would hear if people with different positions were on the commission?  I didn't realize the sole purpose of the commission was to go after trump. Maybe they should have named it the 'this time we really have him' commission 

You are in the deep end of the political pool? 

Enjoy your sham

Nominate as many far left wing nuts as possible.

I will enjoy the show.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.11    6 months ago

Are you capable of actually discussing the facts of this matter, or do think a blanket dismissal of the committee "gets it done?" lol. 

The blanket critics of these hearings beclown themselves. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.12    6 months ago

Sure. The fact is the commission exists to go after trump, not to do a deep dive to learn from Jan 6th. That makes it a sham. The fact that nancy stacked the deck with who could be on the committee  to forward the narrative makes it a sham. She must have been afraid of something.  If you want to hang on their every word to reinforce what you have already decided feel free to enjoy the show.

 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.14  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.11    6 months ago

That's monstrously ridiculous. And you would do a service to NT to get rid of this myth that you are a moderate. There is nothing moderate about Donald Trump and his supporters and enablers. This country suffers because of them and clearly meddlesome people you associate with, for if you think authentic republicans like Cheney and Kinzinger are haters of Trump whom they supported up to and touching this insurrection, then it is you who is a 'nut.'

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
10.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @10.1.14    6 months ago

Nope. Try again. I can always use a good laugh.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.16  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @10.1.15    6 months ago

Here, enjoy:

JACK BENNY SHOW: Jackie Gleason (5/1/55)

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10.2  author  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @10    6 months ago

What, "Other side's case", do you feel needs made?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11  author  JBB    6 months ago

Dr Eastman pled The Fifth Amendment 100 times...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12  CB     6 months ago

Mr. Luttig is being very articulate in his final remarks. He is putting a 'final nail in the coffin' of Donald Trump if some conservatives could hear it. Some conservatives can not hear it, nevertheless.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @12    6 months ago
'final nail in the coffin'

Blah, blah blah.  We've heard "final nail" and "smoking gun" for over 4 yeras now.  You would think that with that many there would be SOMETHING done.  Yet, there is just another waste of time and tax payer money from the Democrats just to claim another "final nail" and "smoking gun".  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
12.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1    6 months ago

The funny thing is they may be missing the big picture. If somehow the sham brings Donald down it will not only very possibly unite the Republicans but also piss them off enough to get more of them out to vote. Also putting on a show while the country has real problems might also turn more independents off than have been turned off by Joe's shitty performance.  

The blind hatred of Donald is going to come back to haunt them and all they will say is it is the racist fault.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.1    6 months ago
If somehow the sham brings Donald down it will not only very possibly unite the Republicans

What "sham"?  They have nailed the fat ass. 

I guess you have not been following the hearings , or dont understand them. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
12.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.2    6 months ago

If you start with a conclusion and spend all your time looking for evidence to support that conclusion you are not doing a valid investigation.  In other words a sham.

Again you would guess wrong.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.2    6 months ago
What "sham"? 

The Jan 6th Commission.  

They have nailed the fat ass

LMAO.  They've been claiming that for over 5 years now.  And just like every other time, this will end the same way - No charges and the left crying even more.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.3    6 months ago
valid investigation

Technically it could be considered an invalid committee.  It's supposed to be bipartisan.  NOMINATIONS from both sides.  Not hand picked by one person as this one is.

Again you would guess wrong

He does that a lot.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.1    6 months ago
The funny thing is they may be missing the big picture.

I don't think they are capable of seeing the big picture.  The Democrats and the left have hyper-focused on this one person that they have lost all sense of what they should be doing like taking care of the problems they have caused.  

It's the same thing we've seen since 2016 when this shit show started.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
12.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.4    6 months ago
They've been claiming that for over 5 years now.  And just like every other time, this will end the same way - No charges and the left crying even more.

yep.  I doubt that this will bring any charges against Trump and almost definitely no convictions.  The best I think can be hoped for is that this further tarnishes the name of Trump that he decides by himself not to run in 24. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Snuffy @12.1.7    6 months ago

I don't think it will tarnish Trump's name.  If anything it will be used as a reference of somebody who stood against the swap creatures commonly referred to as Democrats (and the left) and beat them at their own game.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Masters Guide
12.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.8    6 months ago

yes, it could be used as the "rally cry" around the entire campaign.  Considering how abysmal the past 18 months have been it could be a very successful strategy in the Republican party.  Not so sure it would be that successful among Independents but time will tell.  Part of that would also play as to what the next 24 months bring.  If the Democrats can turn things around and prevent a recession, bring inflation under control without a huge cost to the middle & lower class, they could blunt the strategy.  But if they cannot do that then where would Independents turn...   Oh what interesting times we live in...   (damn, I need a drink after saying that)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.10  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1    6 months ago

Don't be so crooked. Besides Mr. Luttig (maybe you did not watch yesterday's session?) clearly was speaking for himself.

So conservative Luttig has no validity with you. Tell me, who does have validity with you, besides Donald Trump? Why do you support wrong, Jeremy? And this is not a difference of opinion. You simply are wrong to support someone who wants to take this country over from the citizens here. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.11  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.1    6 months ago

Why can't you just lose faith in Donald Trump? Why are you 'bonded' to creepy Donald?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @12.1.10    6 months ago
maybe you did not watch yesterday's session?

I'll tell you flat out I don't watch garbage like this on TV.  I have far more important things to do like spend time with my family.

And you just don't quite get it.  How many times have you all announced "this is the smoking gun to bring Trump down!!!" or "this is the final nail in his coffin to bring him down" in the past 4 years?  40 times?  50?  Every time that announcement is made - if fails.  There is nothing there.  It's redundant, it's fictional, it's just fucking pathetic.  The Democrats and the alphabet agencies have been "investigating" this one person for years.  At the end of EVERY investigation (assuming they reach an end and are not just shut down), nothing comes of them.  No evidence, no charges which means no trial, no conviction.  Then you all come here on NT and continue with your incessant crying and come up with a new conspiracy theory (that will inevitably fail just like all the others).

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.13  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.12    6 months ago

Mr. Luttig  clearly was speaking for himself. And obviously since you did not watch the presentation on Thursday you have no basis for knowing at-known understanding what was delivered. The commission is political in character and that does not mean it is not factual . It does mean that its results could/will either keep guilty Donald Trump and others out of the political sphere farther by extreme prejudice against misfits and misbehavior, or going farther, the justice department will use transcripts to farther investigate, charge, successfully try and jail criminal elements found.

I agree with you that so far congress has not been sufficient to the task of running the government, and there are many varied reasons, most controversial, such as republicans sitting on their votes in order to thwart the system ('own' the liberals who technically have Donald by this 'balls sac') through political sabotage.

But what does that say about your willful ignorance to overlook the republican party's apathy towards justice, simply to let a 'clear and present danger' exist in the midst of our country? You, are participating in what is making this country sick. It's selfish and wrong!

I get it. You want to continue in your role as #1, first citizen status, in this country. You're 'fighting' for your 'survival' as the dominant class. But, do you realize that this attitude you share with Donald is the same attitude that history is recording daily as what is diseased about our democracy? Do you?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.14  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.12    6 months ago
I'll tell you flat out I don't watch garbage like this on TV. 

So you are willful in your ignorance? You don't want to test your ability to be biased against liberals? That's unfortunate and telling. You are the way you are politically, because you insist on being so. It must being doing a lot of nice things for you, eh?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.15  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.6    6 months ago

Get off right-wing sites. The hatred, dishonesty, and lying on liberals is palpable there.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  CB @12.1.15    6 months ago
The hatred, dishonesty, and lying on liberals is palpable there.

The hatred, dishonesty, and lying BY liberals is palpable HERE.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @12.1.13    6 months ago
congress has not been sufficient to the task of running the government, and there are many varied reasons

And most are caused by the Democrats.  

republican party's apathy towards justice

You mean like the FBI altering documents in order to get FISA warrants?  Or partisan committes like the Jan 6th committee?  

simply to let a 'clear and present danger' exist in the midst of our country?

would that be like bringing hundreds of unvetted people from Afghanistan to the US?  Or letting unvetted illegals run free in the country?

You're 'fighting' for your 'survival' as the dominant class.

So that's what I did with 26 years in the military.  Fight to keep myself the "dominant class"?

But, do you realize that this attitude you share with Donald is the same attitude that history is recording daily as what is diseased about our democracy?

Do you mean calling out the hypocrisy?  Or holding those in charge responsible for what's happening in this country (i.e. shitty economy, unsecure borders, money being spent on other countries and not our own country)?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
12.1.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @12.1.14    6 months ago
So you are willful in your ignorance?

There's a difference between watching a partisan scripted shit show and willfully ignoring facts.  You don't even realize you aren't getting the whole situation. Only what the talking heads are telling you.  But then again, the left hasn't been very good looking something up.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
12.1.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @12.1.11    6 months ago

Why can't you stop accusing me of bullshit?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.20  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.17    6 months ago
You're 'fighting' for your 'survival' as the dominant class.
So that's what I did with 26 years in the military.  Fight to keep myself the "dominant class"?

Maybe not (I don't know your motivations for military service, nor would I ever deny it or diminish it. Respect!

But what you are doing NOW with monstrous Donald J. Trump, who to onlookers appears to be a pimp turning tricks with your 'beloved' democracy as he woos her to be his whore for the dominant class, in a word: Yes.

BTW, giving control of this great nation over to men or women 'tapping' the mindset of Donald J. Trump would be to surrender to an authoritarian's dream or nightmare depending on one's perspective.

And why would any republican worth his or her salt do that? Only one reason comes to mind. Some of you rather sadly think you own the whole country of 350M people lock stock and barrel.

I can tell you this: I will never respect Donald J. Trump (again).

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.21  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12.1.18    6 months ago

Now that is just ad-hominem nonsense. What are your sources? And don't say your head, because we all know an individual can not be the source of local, state, world, and international news. The cost of travel alone is prohibited. Then locating and documents statements as 'reports' would be an impossible time-consuming ordeal. Consequently, you are forced to get your information from 'worldly' sources just like the rest of us. So cut the 'high and mighty' bull patty.

The democratic party does not owe some republicans and conservatives an opportunity to put on a poorly-ran 'escapade.' Sorry, it pisses some conservatives off so much that they can't participate in a genuine effort to get facts without alternative nonsense cluttering up the conclusions.

Whatever the political problems are with this country, they are made worse by authoritarian dreamers who want to thrust it back to what it was before, which was never good for the whole country.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.22  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.19    6 months ago

Why can't you stop vouching for authoritarian monsters? I call it like I see it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
12.1.23  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @12.1.22    6 months ago

 I call it like I see it.

You need new glasses, you are seeing what you want to see, not reality

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.24  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.23    6 months ago

And now you are being indulgent, 'Yoda.'

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Sophomore Guide
12.1.25  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @12.1.24    6 months ago

I call it like I see it.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Expert
13  Nowhere Man    6 months ago
What are your thoughts on the ongoing proceedings?

It's a Dog and Pony show, the only question to be asked?

Is the Dog fucking the Pony or the Pony fucking the Dog?

Probably the clearest example of political hatchetry we have ever seen in the USA... This surpasses Obama using the IRS to target christian religious/ republican groups for "special" treatment...

But then 100's of people were abused and died in the "Summer of Love" campaign, and that was nothing but a political ideal....

If the current crop of Democrats ever get 100% control of this government, the USA will no longer be free... Constitution be damned...

That is why the founders forever preserved the right of the citizen to own weapons against any government attempt to take them away...