Has Trump lost his hold on the GOP? Hardly.

  
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Has Trump lost his hold on the GOP? Hardly.
Recent polls indicate that Trump is the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination. His nearest challenger, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, is at least 20 points back. I doubt that DeSantis or any other major figure will challenge Trump if he runs. To do so would be to invite a level of abuse that, as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) has discovered , could do long-term damage to their standing with the MAGA base.

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www.washingtonpost.com   /opinions/2022/05/31/georgia-primary-election-trump-still-dominates-gop/

Has Trump lost his hold on the GOP? Hardly.


Max Boot 5-7 minutes   5/31/2022




For approximately the millionth time since 2016, we are once again   reading   that former president Donald Trump is   losing   his chokehold   on the Republican Party. As a Never Trump ex-Republican, I would love to believe that’s true, but I find the evidence unconvincing.

Commentators’ newfound optimism centers on   Georgia , where last week two of Trump’s primary targets — Gov. Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger —   handily defeated Trump-backed challengers . Both men had dared to certify the 2020 election results showing that Joe Biden had won their state. Trump’s ire did not turn out to be a strong enough reason for GOP voters to turn against these popular incumbents, and their survival might reduce the pressure on Republicans to steal the 2024 election for Trump.


But it would be quite a stretch to read into the results any indication that the GOP is becoming more sane or centrist. Both Trump and Trumpism, the man and the movement, remain more entrenched in the party than ever, nearly 17 months after the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection that should have signaled the former president’s political oblivion.

Even Raffensperger, who has been   deluged with death threats from Trump supporters , has said he   wouldn’t rule out   voting for his tormentor in 2024. Kemp, for his part, carefully refrained from criticizing Trump. “I’ve never said a bad word” about the Trump administration, he   told   reporters, “and I don’t plan on doing that.”



This should serve as a reminder that Kemp is no moderate. He   bragged   about ending covid-19 lockdowns in Georgia, resisting mask and vaccine mandates, loosening restrictions on concealed firearms, passing an antiabortion bill, standing up to “woke” corporations and prohibiting the teaching of “divisive concepts” regarding race.

This isn’t a post-Trump agenda. It’s Trumpism — and it’s become the formula employed by nearly every successful politician in the Republican Party outside a few blue enclaves.

GOP candidates differ in the fervor with which they embrace Trump. But almost no Republicans are running on an anti-Trump platform. Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) is the rare exception. She shows   with her courage   how   cowardly and submissive the rest of the party has become . But she is paying a stiff price: A recent   poll   shows her running far behind a Trump-backed primary challenger.

In 2016, conventional wisdom had it that there was an anti-Trump “lane” within the party. That wasn’t accurate then and is less true today. There isn’t even an anti-Trump bike path.

Recent   polls   indicate that Trump is the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination. His nearest challenger, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, is at least 20 points back. I doubt that DeSantis or any other major figure will challenge Trump if he runs. To do so would be to invite a level of abuse that, as   Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) has discovered , could do long-term damage to their standing with the MAGA base.

You can see the way things are going in the GOP by watching what the supreme opportunists do. Republicans once harshly critical of Trump — e.g.,   Rep. Elise Stefanik   (R-N.Y.) and U.S. Senate candidate   J.D. Vance   — have turned into abject sycophants. Their toadyism has paid off: With Trump’s support,   Vance won the Ohio Senate primary   and Stefanik replaced Cheney as the   No. 3 House Republican .

Trump has remade the GOP in his own orange image. It is simply inconceivable anymore to hear an ambitious Republican politician espouse pro-immigration, pro-free-trade or pro-gun-control views that would have been considered unremarkable a generation ago. More and more Republicans are emulating Trump’s devotion to waging a nonstop culture war. “Owning the libs” has become more important than getting anything done.

Many Republicans are still more hawkish than Trump when it comes to Russia, but that also appears to be changing. The Heritage Foundation, a one-time bastion of Reagan conservatism, is embracing Trump’s isolationist agenda by   opposing aid   to Ukraine.

To the slight extent that the Republican Party has separated itself from Trump recently, it’s hardly a comforting development: A lot of the GOP base, it turns out, is more rabid than he is.

After the mass shootings in   Parkland, Fla., in 2018   and   El Paso in 2019 , Trump briefly   flirted   with toughening gun laws before giving it up in the face of adamant Republican opposition. And when Trump — who is proud of his role in developing coronavirus vaccines — admitted in December to having been vaccinated, he was   booed   by a right-wing audience. But Trump is too craven to challenge his base. He simply adjusts his positions to mirror their manias.

The only scenario in which Trump is unlikely to win the 2024 Republican presidential nomination is if he doesn’t run. But it’s not as if moderate Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland is going to be the nominee. A Trump mini-me, most likely DeSantis, will almost certainly get the nod.

Whatever Trump’s personal fate, Trumpism has become the new Republican orthodoxy. Two primary election results in Georgia and a lot of wishful thinking will not change that dismal reality.


Max Boot is a Washington Post columnist, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of “The Road Not Taken: Edward Lansdale and the American Tragedy in Vietnam.”  Twitter




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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

America is a degraded nation. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

The Republican Party is embarrassing, down right embarrassing 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    2 weeks ago
The Republican Party is embarrassing, down right embarrassing

The current republican party supports insurrections, Russia over the US, and taking away women's rights. 

What's next, kidnapping children?  Oh wait......!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
he current republican party supports insurrections

Lol.  The Democrats are literally giving millions to "insurrectionists" to help them win elections.

How sick are Democrats?  Helping people they supposedly believe are genuine threats to Democracy. So either they are lying about believing "insurrectionists" are a threat or they are willing to risk the country in the name of supposed partisan advantage. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
are willing to risk the country in the name of supposed partisan advantage. 

take a closer look at your GOP, cause that accusation is down right ridiculous after watching the Republican party for so many years, but , now, just forget about it, as a handful had the guts to put Country above party!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

Democrats put country before party? Since fucking when?!

They have nothing to run on except "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!". Midterms are coming and they will get the beating at the ballot box they truly deserve. With recession on the horizon 2024 may already be lost to them.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

It sure is, under Biden that is:

more COVID deaths than Under Trumps watch, a border crisis, Russia invading other countries again, a stock market in decline, out of control gas prices, 40 year high inflation, rising mortgage rates, rising crime rates .... etc, etc,

Yep, uncle Joe sure has made a mess of things.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

If Trump wasnt planning to announce his 2024 candidacy , he wouldnt have bothered with that 12 page reply denigrating the Jan 6th committee. Why would a "retired" politician want to work so hard? 

Trump is a malignant narcisssist. He HAS TO BE in the forefront. And the only forefront for him now is either being or running for president, nothing else will fill the bill. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
If Trump wasnt planning to announce his 2024 candidacy , he wouldnt have bothered with that 12 page reply denigrating the Jan 6th committee. Why would a "retired" politician want to work so hard? 

First, you are wrong- Trump is not and never will be a politician. So you can throw that rule book right out the damn window. 

Trump is a malignant narcisssist. He HAS TO BE in the forefront.

First correct thing you have said. Trump has to be in the spotlight. If Trump just simply faded away he wouldn't be Trump. The partisan POS Jan 6th committee is trying to defame Trump. Of course Trump is going to respond! The Democrats are counting on Trump responding! If Trump doesn't respond the Jan 6th committee is a worthless exercise in wasting tax payer money. Something all politicians are really damn good at; but Democrats take the cake literally (they will steal the knife, forks, plates, and serving tray as well if you don't watch them). 

And the only forefront for him now is either being or running for president, nothing else will fill the bill. 

Democrats need Trump to run. If he doesn't run what do they have to campaign on? Their stellar accomplishments? High gas prices; rampant inflation; shortages; recession coming; high crime; wide open southern border; increased drug deaths; Covid topping a million deaths and counting (the majority of them under Biden's watch); and US citizens still in Afghanistan that Biden abandoned.  That really is a winning set of talking points.

Democrats should be doing everything in their damn power to get Trump to run again. It is the only hope they have to win in 2024.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1    2 weeks ago
The partisan POS Jan 6th committee is trying to defame Trump.

YIKES !

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
If Trump wasnt planning to announce his 2024 candidacy , he wouldnt have bothered with that 12 page reply denigrating the Jan 6th committee. 

I am not so sure about that John.   It certainly is possible that Trump teases with his candidacy to stoke his ego and remain relevant.

Trump is a malignant narcisssist. He HAS TO BE in the forefront. And the only forefront for him now is either being or running for president, nothing else will fill the bill. 

No doubt.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

You don't think he wrote 12 whole pages himself, do you?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3  Just Jim NC TttH    2 weeks ago

Has Trump Lost His Hold On The GOP? Hardly.

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Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 weeks ago

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JBB
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3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    2 weeks ago

Does is hurt when Trump is held accountable?

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JohnRussell
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3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    2 weeks ago

If people like you had gotten rid of Trump long ago we wouldnt have to talk about him now. 

Rather, you enabled him for six years by pretending he was even remotely qualified to be president of the United States even though you knew better. 

As long as he was "owning the libs" with his moronic tweets and thoughts everything was fine. 

You created this monster by accepting him as the head of the Republican Party and now we all have to deal with it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Why don't you post another 10 memes?  That will show him.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
remotely qualified to be president of the United States even though you knew better.

Bullshit. How was your life so fucking terrible when he was in office? Other than the fact you just didn't like his brashness and unthrottled commentary? And he STILL has a chokehold on your very being. It isn't healthy. Let it go.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Donald Trump was a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat , before he ever took office 5 1/2 years ago.  Brashness? He's a pathological liar. 

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Such lies led to Jan 6th. 

Every word in that tweet is false. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

So fucking what? How did any ONE, or a multitude thereof, of his lies, or his pesonna, affect your life to the negative?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
affect your life to the negative?

Feelings must have been involved.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
You created this monster by accepting him as the head of the Republican Party and now we all have to deal with it.

It is rather hilarious that a bunch of obvious Trump sycophants who have been constantly defending him out of one side of their mouth now claim no one should pay attention to him when he's caught in another big lie and his attempted insurrection is exposed. Trump is the Republican party now whether some Republicans want to admit it or not.

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Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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3.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.9    2 weeks ago
rump is the Republican party now whether some Republicans want to admit it or not.

A liberal pipedream.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.10    2 weeks ago

Mean tweets seem to be upsetting to some liberals.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

It's hard to take to take anyone seriously who claims to be be offended by support for a  "KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat" given their steadfast support for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.9    2 weeks ago
now claim no one should pay attention to him when he's caught in another big lie and his attempted insurrection is exposed

Told you and others for years to not pay a damned bit of attention to the lies. They, instead, engulfed your very beings and still do to this day even though what he says and does at this point means jack shit to only those who cling to him. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.14    2 weeks ago
They, instead, engulfed your very beings and still do to this day even though what he says and does at this point means jack shit to only those who cling to him. 

This Trump obsession seems to be rather unhealthy to me.

I mean, if I were to become focused on one thing, it damn sure wouldn't have been Trump!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Ya gonna answer the question or not? Deflection isn't your usual MO.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
So fucking what? How did any ONE, or a multitude thereof, of his lies, or his pesonna, affect your life to the negative?

While the insurrection inspired by Trumps big lie was not successful, that doesn't mean the January 6th attack didn't negatively effect every patriotic Americans life. Sure, there are some miserable piece of shit traitors who cheer for and defend Trump and his collection of treasonous Trump ass warts, but they can't be considered patriotic Americans.

Even if a lie doesn't cause you direct harm, it does prove to everyone that the one telling the lie is a liar who should not be trusted. Also, if a lie doesn't really matter as you're apparently claiming, why tell it at all? Those turning a blind eye to lies out of convenience or profit prove themselves lovers of lies who also should never be trusted.

“Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much." - Luke 16:10

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.18  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.13    2 weeks ago

To compare the every minute of every day lies and corruption of Trump with Biden or Clinton is absurd. 

Its on you Sean. You accepted this travesty for years, starting in 2015. Its too late to blame anyone else. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.14    2 weeks ago
Told you and others for years to not pay a damned bit of attention to the lies.

How about YOU tell the liar not to lie, and when he keeps lying you denounce him?  You never denounced him, you said "what harm is he doing? or "how is your life personally effected by Trump's lies?"

Trumpsters are ridiculous, ridiculous people.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.20  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.14    2 weeks ago
at this point means jack shit to only those who cling to him

"55 percent" "of voters who plan to vote in GOP primaries this year" "said that the Republican Party should continue to be led by Trump moving forward".

" As this year's GOP primaries continue, Trump's preferred candidates have dominated—winning in nearly all their contests thus far."

Only " 10 percent said Trump was a bad president and it is now time for their party to move on".

Yeah, you keep telling yourself whatever lies you need to keep pretending Trump isn't at the heart of the new GOP. Has he lost some support over the last year and a half? Yes, his power has eroded from near complete control of the Republican party to a slim majority, but he's still the party leader for tens of millions of right wing religious conservatives with millions of them even believing Trump was even "anointed" by their God.

" Half of evangelicals believe Trump is anointed by God "

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.17    2 weeks ago
"So fucking what? How did any ONE, or a multitude thereof, of his lies, or his pesonna, affect your life to the negative?"
" While the insurrection inspired by Trumps big lie was not successful, that doesn't mean the January 6th attack didn't negatively effect every patriotic Americans life. Sure, there are some miserable piece of shit traitors who cheer for and defend Trump and his collection of treasonous Trump ass warts, but they can't be considered patriotic Americans.

Even if a lie doesn't cause you direct harm, it does prove to everyone that the one telling the lie is a liar who should not be trusted. Also, if a lie doesn't really matter as you're apparently claiming, why tell it at all? Those turning a blind eye to lies out of convenience or profit prove themselves lovers of lies who also should never be trusted.

“Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much." - Luke 16:10

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Tessylo
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3.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.20    2 weeks ago
"Yeah, you keep telling yourself whatever lies you need to keep pretending Trump isn't at the heart of the new GOP. Has he lost some support over the last year and a half? Yes, his power has eroded from near complete control of the Republican party to a slim majority, but he's still the party leader for tens of millions of right wing religious conservatives with millions of them even believing Trump was even "anointed" by their God."

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Tessylo
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3.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.16    2 weeks ago

We're waiting on you to denounce the liar instead of your usual projection, deflection, and denial.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.24  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

You see no problem with the PotUS publicly lying on a daily basis?

Here, try it this way, if Biden were to publicly lie on a daily basis would you dismiss that as "so fucking what?"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.19    2 weeks ago
How about YOU tell the liar not to lie, and when he keeps lying you denounce him? 

Okay.

Trump, don't lie.

Trump, I denounce your lies.

Now, what has changed?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.26  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.18    2 weeks ago
e the every minute of every day lies and corruption of Trump with Biden or Clinton is absurd.

The only difference between Trump, Biden and Clinton  is the latter two have better press.  If Trump had the MSM protecting and shilling for him like they do for Biden, he'd have won reelection easily.

If the reverse were true, Biden would be a Robert Menendez like ghoul still in the Senate.  Given a seat for life because it's a blue state and Democrats don't care about how corrupt their leaders are. 

You accepted this travesty for years, starting in 2015

Nope, I never voted for him.   I just point out the lies about him.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.24    2 weeks ago

I'll ask you since John has yet to respond. How did any ONE, or a multitude thereof, of his lies, or his pesonna, affect your life to the negative? Go

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.28  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.19    2 weeks ago
How did any ONE, or a multitude thereof, of his lies, or his pesonna, affect your life to the negative?

So still no answer. Noted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.28    2 weeks ago

Fuck off.  Youve been asking that same idiotic question for years. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.30  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.26    2 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.31  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.29    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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3.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.28    2 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.34  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.24    2 weeks ago
if Biden were to publicly lie on a daily basis would you dismiss that as "so fucking what?"?

Yep and he is getting close but so fucking what. Does not affect me or mine or anyone I know, one iota

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.31    2 weeks ago

I want both of you to complain to Perrie that I deleted your comments. I want her to look at them. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.29    2 weeks ago

It's just his usual typical projection, deflection, and denial.

He'll never denounce the steaming pile of shit's lies, never.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.37  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.35    2 weeks ago

She looks at all tickets on a daily basis. Some she intensifies, some she negates. I'm not going to complain about the deletion. That was your [choice...][deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.35    2 weeks ago
I want both of you to complain to Perrie that I deleted your comments. I want her to look at them. 

Maybe you should have left them up and flagged them then.

Speaking for myself, it was totally expected, I know that is the go-to when no rational argument can be made against one of my posts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.39  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.37    2 weeks ago

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JBB
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3.1.40  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.38    2 weeks ago

First you must make at least one cogent point.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.41  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.38    2 weeks ago

complain to perrie. i would like you to. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.42  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.40    2 weeks ago
First you must make at least one cogent point.

Here is JBB:

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Texan1211
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3.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.41    2 weeks ago
complain to perrie. i would like you to. 

If you want it, you do it.

Complaining to her about your moderating would have the same effect you complaining about Trump has.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.44  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.35    2 weeks ago

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Sparty On
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3.1.45  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    2 weeks ago

Lol .... spot on.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.46  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.26    2 weeks ago
Nope, I never voted for him. 

I did, twice and I’d do it again in an attempt to protect the US from human fuck up machines like the one in office right now.

It’s sad they were our only choices but when it comes to chicken salad or chickenshit, I’ll always pick chicken salad.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.47  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.25    2 weeks ago
Trump, don't lie.

Trump, I denounce your lies.

Now, what has changed?

Nothing has changed if you continue to support the liar. If known liars face no consequence from their constituents than there is no reason for them to stop lying. In this case it appears the Trump sycophants not only don't hold Trump to account for his lies, they seem to either appreciate the lies and think of them as retaliatory politics for what they see as the 'lying Democrats' or choose to believe the lies even when there are mountains of contrary evidence.

In either case it shows them as either bitter political arsonists willing to burn down the establishment simply because they selfishly feel they're not being heard and given the pedestal in American society white conservative Christians used to enjoy, or monumentally ignorant gullible rubes that have been manipulated by a sleazy lying snake oil salesman who is just telling them what they want to hear regardless of the truth.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.47    2 weeks ago

Your first three words really were quite adequate, and I couldn't agree more with them!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
3.1.49  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.48    2 weeks ago
Your first three words really were quite adequate

I suppose they would be for anyone who is desperate to continue their support for a known liar and are too weak to defend their refusal to hold the liar accountable.

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.50  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.49    2 weeks ago

Gee, I renounced Trump's lies, and told him to stop lying.

Are you doing something more than that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.51  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.50    2 weeks ago
I renounced Trump's lies, and told him to stop lying.

I'm sure he'll listen to you. Are you going to vote for him again?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Guide
3.1.52  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.24    2 weeks ago
"You see no problem with the PotUS publicly lying on a daily basis?"

You talking bout Biden?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.53  bugsy  replied to  JBB @3.1.40    2 weeks ago
First you must make at least one cogent point.

Says the guy that exclusively uses memes to make his point....

And still fails.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.54  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.52    2 weeks ago

What prompts you to give Trump a pass on his Big Lie campaign and deflect to Biden?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.51    2 weeks ago

no, but that isn't because I have read your plethora of hit articles

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.3  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.3    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.1    2 weeks ago

You need to develop an actual sense of humor.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
3.3.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.2    2 weeks ago

Finding a cure for cancer would be easier.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.2    2 weeks ago
You need to develop an actual sense of humor.

Sounds familiar. Was it Josef Mengele?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.5  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.1    2 weeks ago

Do you believe Trump's Big Lie that the Ds stole the election?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.5    2 weeks ago

Nope. Do you believe Hillary's big lie that Trump colluded with Russia?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.3.7  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.6    2 weeks ago

I believe what Michael Cohen, Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump Junior have all publicly admitted to. That being, Donald Trump was in secret negotiations with clandestine agents of Russian State Intelligence Services to build Trump Tower Moscow right up to election day in November of 2016. And that, Trump even offered Vlad Putin a luxury penthouse apartment as a bribe to get the deal. If that is not collusion, then just imagine Obama did it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.6    2 weeks ago

Only a moron believes Hillary colluded with putin.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.3.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.6    2 weeks ago

Apparently enough people believed that lie that they conducted a 4 year investigation into it and the only thing they found was it was all fiction and started with the Clinton campaign.  And imagine that, nothing was done.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.9    2 weeks ago

Again, only a moron believes that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.3.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.10    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.11    2 weeks ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
3.3.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.12    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.3.7    2 weeks ago

Ah, there is at least one here who still believes.

Meanwhile the person I asked, is now silent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.15  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.13    2 weeks ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.3.16  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.15    2 weeks ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.17  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.6    2 weeks ago
Nope.

Then why do you defend him?   Why are you not applauding the expose' of the Big Lie with hard video evidence by Republicans regarding their discussions with Trump?

Do you believe Hillary's big lie that Trump colluded with Russia?

Insufficient evidence.  

I watched Trump for two months execute his Big Lie.   The difference in evidence of his Big Lie vs his collusion with Russia is profound.   I make decisions based on evidence and if the evidence is insufficient I remain unconvinced.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.18  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.14    2 weeks ago
Meanwhile the person I asked, is now silent.

I am not on 24x7.    Do not fabricate a pretense that I run from your questions.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.17    2 weeks ago
Then why do you defend him?  

Because he was a great President.


 Why are you not applauding the expose' of the Big Lie with hard video evidence by Republicans regarding their discussions with Trump?

Because it is a partisan cause.



  I make decisions based on evidence and if the evidence is insufficient I remain unconvinced.

I want everyone to see that.

You can't even admit that Trump colluding with Russia was a lie.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.20  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.19    2 weeks ago
Because he was a great President.

You defend his abuse of his office because you liked his policies.   That is why I deem such defense as irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic.

Because it is a partisan cause.

You refuse to support solid evidence because the committee is partisan.   That is just dumb.   Everything that comes from DC is partisan.   Your excuse is bullshit.   If the tables were turned and Trump was a D and the committee was R, you would be applauding every hard evidence of truth that is publicized.   Do not even attempt to deny that.    Ergo I call bullshit on your answer.

Also, to be crystal clear, if Biden (any PotUS in fact) were to engage in the same Big Lie as Trump I would be all over it in exactly the same way as I am on Trump's Big Lie.

You can't even admit that Trump colluding with Russia was a lie.

Can you not read what I just wrote?    I just wrote that the allegations have insufficient evidence and that I need sufficient evidence to be convinced of an allegation.   You now move the goalposts and demand that I call it a lie.   By the same reasoning I am not going to declare it a lie because there is insufficient evidence to go to that extreme.   It is an unsubstantiated allegation.   Trump's Big Lie has overwhelming evidence that it is a lie.  

Equate this to belief in a god.   I am, based on a lack of evidence, not convinced a god exists.   But there is also insufficient evidence that no god exists thus I do not conclude there is no god.

See how that works?    Basic logic.

Spend less time trying to spin answers and more time sincerely seeking the truth.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.21  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.20    2 weeks ago
That is why I deem such defense as irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic.

That's too bad. I think your hatred of the man is treasonous.


You refuse to support solid evidence because the committee is partisan.

You're gaslighting. Pelosi broke all precedent to pick all the members. She picked 9 Trump [haters.deleted]
Can you not read what I just wrote?

I read it perfectly. You are in complete denial. [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.22  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.21    2 weeks ago

[REMOVED]

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.23  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.21    2 weeks ago
That's too bad. I think your hatred of the man is treasonous.

I have never stated that I hate Trump.   My comments are not emotional.   I have stated facts.   If you think my facts are wrong then make a thoughtful rebuttal instead of your emotive / content-free posts.

 And how on Earth can you deem an emotion (hatred) as treasonous.  LOL, how ridiculous.   You really are grasping at straws.

Pelosi broke all precedent to pick all the members. She picked 9 Trump ...

You just continue to ignore what you cannot deal with.   I have stated repeatedly that this committee is partisan and biased.   Hello?  jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

You are in complete denial. 

Denial of what specifically?   Looks to me that you have resorted to vague language as a smokescreen.   Make an argument instead of this pointless emotional crap you are typing.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
3.3.24  igknorantzrulz  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.23    2 weeks ago

I hate Trump. His constant lying has resulted in people dying, and wish not to see the dreams of our forefathers follow into this grave              situation, in which we find our nation,

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.25  TᵢG  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.3.24    2 weeks ago

Then I suppose Vic will now 'argue' that every comment from you is simply an emotional reflection of your hatred of Trump.    An easy way to dismiss an argument when one is stumped.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
3.3.26  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.17    2 weeks ago
I watched Trump for two months execute his Big Lie.

Yeah, that kind of disappointed me too.  I knew they were chasing squirrels and you couldn't get him and others to break off the hunt and look elsewhere.  But being I had, what no one else here was confronted with, a conversation with a Qanon believer, I got a bit of insight on the thinking.  They are wholeheartedly behind that the fraud was in the machines and the democrats doing the counting.  One was the miscount from Antrim County, Michigan and he was being fed the proof that that was fraud and another was the video of the container being removed from under a table when all the republican watchers had left the room.  If you have watched that video, see if you can see what I saw in that video, it actually ties into where the Qanon conspiracies were most likely actually coming from.

I make decisions based on evidence and if the evidence is insufficient I remain unconvinced.

Now if you want evidence of fraud, circumstantial as it may be, look into the video the woman in California made of the two men emptying a ballot drop box the morning after the general election, see if you can pickup what I seen.  Note: it may be a couple hours before I get back here.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.27  TᵢG  replied to  bccrane @3.3.26    2 weeks ago

Regarding the Big Lie I only care about fraud that would have changed the result of the election.    Every election will have some level or and foul play.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
3.3.28  bccrane  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.27    2 weeks ago

I tend not to call it the "Big Lie", it was more like a deception against Trump and his followers, there were so many squirrels released to deceive people into looking another direction that no one looked into where it may have actually been happening.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.29  TᵢG  replied to  bccrane @3.3.28    2 weeks ago

The term 'Big Lie' is a well-known moniker for the behavior Trump engaged in after losing the lesson based upon his false narrative that our nation's electoral system was rigged and that he was the legitimate winner of the election.

...  it was more like a deception against Trump and his followers, ...

A deception against??   It was gross deception by.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.30  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.23    one week ago
And how on Earth can you deem an emotion (hatred) as treasonous.  LOL, how ridiculous. 

Easy: You prefer the destruction of America's middle class to Donald Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.31  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.30    one week ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.32  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.30    one week ago
Easy: You prefer the destruction of America's middle class to Donald Trump.

Since no-one with a brain would believe the above outrageous and unsupported lie I will simply warn you to not engage in attempted character assassination.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.3.33  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.29    one week ago
behavior Trump engaged in after losing the lesson based upon his false narrative

I would say he started before. He was telling people that if he loses the election it will be rigged.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.34  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.31    one week ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.35  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @3.3.33    one week ago

Absolutely.   It is actually even more absurd than that.   He was talking rigged election up until the day he won in 2016.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3.36  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.32    one week ago
I will simply warn you to not engage in attempted character assassination.

I assume that is because you can do it and I can't.

Thanks for the advice.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.3.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bccrane @3.3.26    one week ago
One was the miscount from Antrim County, Michigan and he was being fed the proof that that was fraud and another was the video of the container being removed from under a table when all the republican watchers had left the room. 

If that is referring to a situation in Georgia, that has been entirely explained. The vote counters had been told they were going home,  to complete the count the next day. Ballots were then stored under the table. Shortly later the decision was made that they would continue counting election night. They took the ballots back out from under the table. Completely ordinary and legitimate, and it is all on video. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.38  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.36    one week ago

I would never create a lie and use it in an attempt to assassinate the character of another.

You should tone down your false accusations Vic.   

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
3.3.39  Gazoo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.30    one week ago

I’d say there are more than one here that can be said about. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.40  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @3.3.39    one week ago

If you accuse someone of wanting the destruction of America's middle class for any reason you had better have a damn good, fact-based, supporting argument.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
3.3.41  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.40    one week ago

“you had better have a damn good, fact-based, supporting argument.“

Or what? I make observations and form opinions based on those observations, just like everybody else, including you. 

for instance, there are a couple of members here who frequently jump on conservative members for being partisan. These members never jump on left leaning members for being partisan even though there are ample opportunities. These members also make partisan comments that lean left. Based on those observations i have concluded that those members are nothing but left leaning partisan hacks. See how that works?

you can jump up and down, scream at the top of your lungs, and demand all you want but you will never stop someone from making observations and forming opinions based on those observations.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.42  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @3.3.41    one week ago
I make observations and form opinions based on those observations, just like everybody else, including you. 

Note that I am talking about an accusation, not an observation:

TiG@3.3.40If you accuse someone of wanting the destruction of America's middle class for any reason you had better have a damn good, fact-based, supporting argument.

Making accusations like that without a shred of evidence is dishonest and is a blatant attempt at character assassination.  

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
3.3.43  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.42    one week ago

I figured it would be fairly obvious that my reply to Vic was my opinion.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.44  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @3.3.43    one week ago

I am focused on your reply to me.  

 
 
 
Gazoo
Sophomore Silent
3.3.45  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.44    one week ago

And my reply to you clearly stated i gave my opinion.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.3.46  Sparty On  replied to  Gazoo @3.3.45    one week ago

I’m getting deja vu all over again ....... 😉

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
3.3.47  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.19    5 days ago
You can't even admit that Trump colluding with Russia was a lie.
col·lude
[kəˈlo͞od]
VERB
colluded   (past tense) ·   colluded   (past participle)
  1. cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others:
    "he accused his opponents of colluding with one another" ·  
    [more]
    synonyms:
    conspire   ·   connive   ·   intrigue   ·   be hand in glove   ·   plot   ·   participate in a conspiracy   ·   collaborate   ·   scheme   ·   machinate   ·   cabal   ·   complot
    Because there wasnt sufficient evidence to satisfy the GOP Clowns who wouldn't convict Trump if he shot someone on 5th avenue  LIVE, and they DIED, does not mean 45 was not a scheming conniving, conspiring, and participating plotter, who often seems to have dropped slippery Acid into his water, while lusting after his slightly flattened out daughter (after that bus wheel (s) incident) cause ewe would follow 45 to a Slaughter, cause no intrigue required, when Trump has Jerry Meguire'd', asz he participated in showing US A ll where the $money$ went and is, for it wasn't for some Guildophine whore, calming some Stormy Porno star bore, or reserved for the gatherer of evidence to hunt the Hunter biding his time while Lying on the sealing of the ranchers' 2nd floor, cause the moral and ethical VOID, who the TRUTH about, YOU consistently and unequivocally A Void B tween ears and Tears the Talons across the flush cheeks of the Leather chapped ass with expensive Electric gas mowing down the upside of a mountain of mounting evidence that so many think , is there to ignore, and, that is ignorant.    
    .
    seems i found my laptop cord and this is what i did not post when it died     your welcome Vic
 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.3.48  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.3.47    5 days ago

A couple more definitions could help you correct your faulty reasoning.    So study up.

de·lude
/dəˈlo͞od/
verb
1.) impose a misleading belief upon (someone); deceive; fool.
"too many theorists have deluded the public"
And
dis·in·gen·u·ous
/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
1.) not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

So broccoli, arc, crockpot, P-38, cardboard, shuriken .....
 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 weeks ago
Has Trump Lost His Hold On The GOP? Hardly.

Agreed.   And apparently you are pleased that Trump remains highly influential in the GoP.   Why are you not denouncing Trump and rallying behind someone who is not an abysmal character?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.4.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.4    2 weeks ago

Denounce him? He means nothing to me or my being. I just get tired of the continuous bleating of orange man bad. My life improved over his term. How did he fuck yours up?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.4.2  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.1    2 weeks ago

Don't tell me, your life was not improving under Obama. It just happened to have a growth spurt under trump....

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.3  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.1    2 weeks ago
How did he fuck yours up?

That is irrelevant.   

We are talking about who should be the PotUS and you are willing to allow Trump, given all you know, to assume the most powerful office on the planet.   And you object when that abysmal character is criticized and rush to his defense.

That is irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.4.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.4.2    2 weeks ago

Nope. My life was improving under Obama too. Just a little better under Trump.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.4.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.4.3    2 weeks ago

He was the fucking PotUS for 4 years and all you and some of your friends here just couldn't muster up a teenie iota of respect at least for the office and shit all over everything he did. THAT, my friend, is the epitome of unpatriotic. I didn't care for Obama's policies either but he WAS MY PotUS right along with yours. 

given all you know, to assume the most powerful office on the planet.

You damned skippy. Four years and the sky didn't fall, we didn't start a new war, we didn't fuck around with China or Iran or North Korea.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.4.6  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.4    2 weeks ago

Fair enough. Can I ask how it improved?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.4.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @3.4.6    2 weeks ago

After 2008's recession, things got gradually better. Under Trump business started booming even more. You do remember the records set from 2016 on correct? Continuous Stock Market records, unemployment (especially among people of color) and the state of the union as a whole. Then along came Covid....................mucked up everything.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.4.8  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.7    2 weeks ago

Going to sound cynical but I believe donald was lucky enough to come into office when the economy was on an upswing.

I don't really see anything substantive that they did other than tax cuts.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.9  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.5    2 weeks ago

I have criticized Trump for his behavior and have not criticized his policies so you as usual just make shit up in lieu of a thoughtful response.

You know what Trump did in his Big Lie campaign yet you would still vote him into the presidency.   That is irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.4.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.5    2 weeks ago
He was the fucking PotUS for 4 years and all you and some of your friends here just couldn't muster up a teenie iota of respect at least for the office and shit all over everything he did.

Donald Trump was a conspiracy nut pathological liar the day he entered office.  And you want people to show him respect? ROFL

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
3.4.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  TᵢG @3.4.9    2 weeks ago

What makes you think I would vote for him again? And spare me you pompous assed arrogance.

That is irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic.

And that, my friend, is your opinion and NOT shared by all citizens.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.12  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.10    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.13  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3.4.9    2 weeks ago
"I have criticized Trump for his behavior and have not criticized his policies so you as usual just make shit up in lieu of a thoughtful response."

All some have.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.4.14  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.5    2 weeks ago

That steaming pile of shit didn't earn any respect.  It's he who shit over everything.  Not us.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.4.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @3.4.8    2 weeks ago

Tax breaks....ppffffhhhhttttt...........

I got bupkus and now even bupkus is gone

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.4.16  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.7    2 weeks ago

The reality they don’t like to admit.    

Obama’s “recovery” came from an economic low point driven by the housing bubble and financial Institution failure.    That “recovery” was driven by massive mounts of spending via quantitative easing (QE) and a 0% federal interest rate for nearly his entire 8 years.    A dimbulb could have brought that economy back with all that stimulus. 

Trumps economy got no such boosts.    Zero QE, positive fed interest rate for his entire four years, little to no stimulus until the very end driven by COVID.   The economic loses caused by the subprime mortgage crisis and financial system collapse had largely been recovered.   He didn’t start at a low but rather a stimulate, largely recovered economy.    Much tougher to keep a hot economy heated up vs one at rock bottom

I could go on but I’m sure all of that will be lost on the TDS ridden.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.4.17  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.11    2 weeks ago
What makes you think I would vote for him again?

You making excuses for him.  Your refusal to denounce him and recognize that he is a parasite on the GoP.   Any support / passes you, et. al. give Trump for his Big Lie campaign is what keeps him as the defacto leader of the GoP and potential nominee.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.4.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.10    2 weeks ago
Donald Trump was a conspiracy nut pathological liar the day he entered office.

“This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration—period—both in person and around the globe.” - Sean Spicer in his debut as Press secretary January 2017

From the very start Trump was trying to control the narrative about his Presidency with lies. As a con man he understood what Joseph Goebbels said to be true and tried to employ it from the very beginning. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it".

The lie about the inauguration crowd wasn't important, no one other than Trumps ego cared, it made no difference to anyone else, but Trump had to force Spicer to make the claim which explained a lot about Trump and what we'd see over the next four years. We saw numerous Trump campaign staff plead guilty or were convicted of lying for their dear leader, we saw tens of thousands of lies come out of Trumps mouth, we saw his AG lie about the findings in the Mueller report, we saw him lie about not misusing his charity, lie about Trump University, he lied about the severity of the Corona virus, he lied about hurricane Dorian which he claimed would hit Alabama and even used a sharpie to doctor the map to make it look like he wasn't lying, he lied about the head of the Boy Scouts calling him to tell him he gave "the greatest speech", he lied about his payments to porn stars and he continues to lie about election fraud.

Those are just a tiny fraction of the 30,000+ lies he told while in office. But what do we hear from the supposedly morally superior conservative Christians who have been taught that Satan is the father of the lie? Millions of them see dishonest Donald as having been anointed by their God, the chosen one, their new messiah. After having been raised as an evangelical Christian myself I never thought I would see the day so many religious conservatives would abandon their sense of morality to cling to such a lying con man. I once thought Jim Baker was the epitome of religious grifters but Trump has out-grifted religious conservatives to such an extent it would make Bakers head spin.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.4.19  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.4.15    2 weeks ago

Yeah, big fucking whoop.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.5  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3    2 weeks ago

Yep, I could care less one way or the other.

The only people who seem to care are the TDS ridden.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    2 weeks ago

Once again, Trump won't run or be nominated in 2024.

Too many people are tired of him.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @4    2 weeks ago

Let's hope so.......................

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    2 weeks ago

If you, et. al., were to condemn Trump for his Big Lie campaign instead of oppose all attempts to bring forth hard evidence to the American public you could ensure that he would not run.   No need for hope.   Trump will not run unless he believes he can win and if the GoP base is not behind him then he will not run.

Defending the indefensible (I am talking about the Big Lie and not his policies) is an enabler for Trump.   Yet it is so easy to simply go with the truth and, in so doing, disable Trump from running.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

The demomization of DeSantis has already begun.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

That’s the leftist MO .... thereby mobilizing their army of useful idiots.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

You are aware of the divisive nature of modern politics, right?    Partisan attacks are unfortunate normal operation today.   So what you offer is not news, not new information.   Why post this to me?

That said, it is no secret that DeSantis bows to Trump.   I find that to be a major flaw for the candidate.   I would advise DeSantis to distance himself from Trump and run his own campaign based on policies that are popular to his base and acceptable to the nation in the general.

The GoP needs strong, youthful candidates with experience that can put forth sensible policies and, if elected, could represent the office in a presidential manner.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

"That said, it is no secret that DeSantis bows to Trump." 

You have zero evidence of that. He's staying silent while Trump continues to self destruct.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.6    2 weeks ago
He's staying silent while Trump continues to self destruct.

That may be true.   Hopefully it is true.   Trump has claimed that DeSantis will not run if he runs and the 'rumor' has been that this is true.

I would think much higher of DeSantis if he would denounce the Big Lie.   So far, best I can tell, he refuses to denounce it when directly asked to do so.   Why?   He obviously knows it is a major league lie that continues to damage the nation.   If he is truly free of Trump he should have no concerns about rallying his supporters based on truth.

 
 

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