What The Extremist Republicans Want To Do
On his show this morning Joe Scarborough talked about conversations he had yesterday with a few people he described as "influential establishment Republicans" in Washington DC. He said one of them goes back to the Reagan era. Scarborough says one of the people told him "we can change the government" and "the United States government is not sacrosanct." The way Scarborough related these conversations they were not about elections as we have historically known them in America, but rather an argument for revolution.
What is the end game for extremist Republicans such as we find under the mantle of "MAGA" every day? Well of course they have thought leaders who will lead the way and inspire and instruct the masses. These leaders want nothing less than the end of national democracy . How would that be accomplished ? After taking control of Congress they would pass legislation returning all elections to the whim of the various state legislatures. Arizona, aka crackpot city, is showing the way. In Arizona prominent far right politicians no longer talk about the US being a democracy, but rather emphasize that it is a republic. In other words, in this view, national politicians such as Senators, Congress people, and the president, should be elected by state legislatures and not by popular vote. If and when the state legislatures are effectively gerrymandered to perpetuate continuous Republican dominance , the door will be wide open to enact laws that put these gerrymandered "leaders" in charge of who does or doesnt get to hold office in the United States.
Of course once right wing dominance of elected offices can be secured, so will be right wing grip on the judiciary both federal and in the states. The Supreme Court will rubber stamp far right policies such as abortion bans, immigration bans, same sex bans, racial covenants establishing all white regions, the end to the social safety net, and much more.
In a sense this all sounds far fetched, from the perspective most Americans currently hold, but this is their intention. Along with this goes the push for codifying Christianity as the official religion of the United States of America. In fact, the desire for theocracy is likely the main motivating factor for the entire scheme.
I seeded an article from the New York Times sunday magazine a couple days ago. Unfortunately the article got no play here, but I encourage people to read it.
It’s the failure to reinstall a legitimately defeated president, under the misguided belief that victory was stolen from him, that seems to have ushered in the view among Arizona Republicans — and many more across the nation — that democracy itself was at fault and had been weaponized by the political left, or the “enemies from within,” as McCarthy once put it. As it happened, Rose Sperry wasn’t the first person to invoke the Wisconsin senator at the Lions of Liberty event. “I had a weird dream last night about Joseph McCarthy,” said one of the morning’s featured speakers, Jim Arroyo, the head of Arizona’s biggest chapter of the Oath Keepers, a far-right paramilitary group made up largely of current and former members of the armed forces and law enforcement. McCarthy, he said, “was not only right — he understated the seriousness of it. ” The Arizona Republican Party’s Anti-Democracy Experiment
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It CAN happen here.
On his show this morning Joe Scarborough talked about conversations he had yesterday with a few people he described as "influential establishment Republicans" in Washington DC. He said one of them goes back to the Reagan era. Scarborough says one of the people told him "we can change the government" and "the United States government is not sacrosanct." The way Scarborough related these conversations they were not about elections as we have historically known them in America, but rather an argument for revolution.
These are unnamed individuals that he claimed to have spoken to?
After taking control of Congress they would pass legislation returning all elections to the whim of the various state legislatures.
According to the US Constitution, right now, only State Legislatures make election laws:
Article I Legislative Branch
Section 4 Congress
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
Arizona, aka crackpot city
Arizona is a state.
In Arizona prominent far right politicians no longer talk about the US being a democracy, but rather emphasize that it is a republic. In other words, in this view, national politicians such as Senators, Congress people, and the president, should be elected by state legislatures and not by popular vote. If and when the state legislatures are effectively gerrymandered to perpetuate continuous Republican dominance , the door will be wide open to enact laws that put these gerrymandered "leaders" in charge of who does or doesnt get to hold office in the United States.
Unfortunately, we have ceased to be a Republic. Joe Biden has demonstrated that whoever becomes president can write up a big bunch of executive orders and do whatever they want at any time.
In a sense this all sounds far fetched, from the perspective most Americans currently hold,
Correction, most Americans are outraged at the power grab of Biden and the democrats and those terrible radical policies that have hurt so many people.
Do you doubt that John? Just wait until November.
Can you read minds,Vic? How, exactly do you know that
You cannot even state with confidence (blustery ego, yes, confidence and knowledge,no) that the policies of the President and the party in power had much if anything to do with inflation and rising interest rates. You just made a sweeping generalization and expect us to all believe it.
Why are you starting this line of lies again?
The election laws passed by the states are subject to review by the Congress who can and has adjusted the laws of several states when they saw fit.
Really, Vic, your statements are beginning to sound incoherent. What distinguishes a democracy from a republic from a federation from a commonwealth? Not much, apparently.
Was Biden elected in a free and fair election? Yes!
Is Biden acting within the rules set by the CotUS? Yes!
Is Biden acting within the rule of law? Yes!
So, your comment sounds a lot like hard cheese to me.
He just used emergency powers to enact student debt forgiveness. Pelosi once said only congress had that right.
So how is this a Republic if the president gets to legislate?
Reprise
Good on Tessylo, and very true.
More like rotten grapes.
It'll never happen here. Too many sane and rational people to allow it.
The Dems shot themselves in the foot. They focused on a radical leftist ideology, stuck Americans with the bill and spit in the faces of hardworking Americans.
It's time for a reckoning.
Bullshit. There is no radical leftist ideology, there is only you and your flunkies trying to convince everyone that is what is happening. The pandemic screwed everything up and you are just trying to blame it all on Biden with no rational and sane reasoning behind it.
Gerrymandering on Steroids
This is part of the reason that we are all at each others' throats these days. If we are not careful, we will be the last people to observe democracy in America.
State Legislatures are Torching Democracy
Tell that to the border states or the parents who's young daughter just came home and said "I'm a boy" or the person killed by the thug who was released without bail.
I don't care what pronoun anyone uses or what gender they relate with, were they are from, or even if they are convicted criminals, they're all people to me. Even you classify as human.
Yeah...that kind of stuff is small potatoes with the other shit we're facing. So why should I care if somebody's daughter comes home from school and is now a boy? That does not affect me.
Who says MAGA is conservative?
I think the next chapter in this story has Hobbits and Orcs wielding lightsabers against the X-Men and Angela Merkel in her Tardis.
Imagine! Having elections run by the laws of the states just like the US Constitution says they should be run.
Imagine: They are! Unless, of course, there are attempts at the state level to keep people from voting who have every legitimate reason to.
Someone needs to remind him that the United States is a Republic and has been since the beginning.
The president has never been elected by the national popular vote in this country either. What liberal idiot school did he go to.
They want to have the presidential electors selected by state legislators, not the popular vote within the state. Try and keep up.
Do provide a link to that.
No link hey John? [Deleted]
Asking someone for the truth is a violation?
[That's not all you did, is it?]
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There is no substantive difference between a republic and a democracy. We've been through this before.
Seemingly, there are a whole bunch of distinctions being drawn that are just not relevant. Over the course of time we have gone from only the landed gentlemen voting all the way up to most citizens voting for their choice of who to be president. It is as close as it has ever been to a popular vote. The electoral College has seen its day come and go. To revert to the state legislatures choosing the electors would be a massive step backwards. This, however has been the plan of the Republican party since at least 2000 when they started gerrymandering on the state level. Link
The election in 2016 was a trial run and the election of 2020 was an failed attempt to circumvent the popular vote. With the continued attacks on the popular vote as being somehow rigged, this sets the stage for this fall when I think we will see continued and heightened attacks on free and fair elections as being rigged, until 2024 when the state legislatures of several contested states will be asked to step in and choose the slate of electors. Since the legislatures of states that should be by demographics and polling statistics purple or even blue are instead dark red, the outcome will be dark red as well. I just hope that dark red does not get to the personal level.
Just my read of the situation. Of course, that and fifty cents will get you... I dunno, nothing.
Some comments were removed for their X rating, although very funny.
Thank you for removing some of my obscene replies.
I don't want to alienate any advertisers.
We wouldn't want that either.... they seem so hot for you!
Well, the ads I'm seeing lately aren't much better. Lots of butts in thongs. Or thongs in butts. I'm not sure why the advertisers think I'm a guy.
Wait until you see the dildo video on face book!
Apparently some people floss their asses.
I'm a big proponent of flossing.
One's teeth.
But I didn't get to see them!
Wah Wah!
I'm sorry...
Ummm, what? Arizona a city?
Does the author know the United States isn't a democracy? It s a Democratic REPUBLIC.
The author really needs to check their information to make sure it's correct before publishing nonsense like this.
I am far more concerned with what the extreme and radical left wants to do with our country