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The racists return to kindergarten

  
Via:  John Russell  •  4 years ago  •  143 comments


The racists return to kindergarten
And in the past year or so, a new enemy has begun taking shape: the academicians who have invented and now promote, beyond the college campuses, Critical Race Theory, which makes children uncomfortable.That’s the current political rallying cry: Don’t make the children uncomfortable! Don’t go around telling the truth. It’s Marxist, for God’s sake.

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 Damn those Marxists!You know their game, right? They want to spew truth and real history at our kids. No doubt they’re also in favor of dropping charges against Julian Assange, who (as all real Americans know) deserves 175 years in prison for exposing — with the help of the New York Times, The Guardian. Le Monde, Der Spiegel and El País — embarrassing realities about U.S. foreign policy.How do I know the Marxists are behind this? The Heritage Foundation tells me so. In their dismantling of good old Critical Race Theory, they explain that it’s “an academic discipline founded by law professors who used Marxist analysis to conclude that racial dominance by whites created ‘systemic racism.

’”It gets worse: “Critical race theorists have been dominant in colleges and universities for years, but their impact on public policy was limited until recently. The precepts of CRT have now burst outside the universities, affecting K-12 schools, workplaces, state and federal governments, and even the military.”Be afraid. Be very afraid. Or not.Pardon me as I struggle to free myself from the sarcasm the Heritage Foundation and its ilk have let loose in me, thanks to their public splattering of simplistic lies, their harrumph at academic awareness of actual historical reality, their craven cradling of ignorance and stupidity for the purpose of keeping the Good Old Lies alive.

God bless the Founding Fathers, who bequeathed us the greatest country the world has ever seen, no questions asked. Anything bad that has ever happened in this country was because of lone-nut individuals. Legally, structurally, politically, America has stood only for what is good.You might say this present-day collective lie is the third phase of American racism and indicative of our national evolution. Phase 1, of course, was slavery itself, along with Native American genocide. This was not a matter of us vs. them because, to the conquerors and their sycophants, there was only “us.” Everyone else was simply in the way.

Then we had — remember? — the Civil War. Slavery was abolished, forcing “us” (the actual Americans) to acknowledge two sides to the matter. Now there was also a “them” and, in the name of equality, they were going to try with all their might to steal some of “our” privileges. And thus began Phase 2, the Jim Crow era, which was both legally (whites-only bathrooms and such) and trans-legally (burning crosses, lynchings) ensconced.In the wake of the Civil Rights Movement — a primarily nonviolent awakening of human consciousness and a dismantling of legal apartheid — proud white America was forced into a moral corner.

Racism has been declared morally wrong, even morally evil, forcing “us” to try ever more desperately to maintain “our” privileged dominance. Welcome to Phase 3 of American racism, which still holds a good bit of power but basically has no idea what it stands for or who the enemy actually is. It’s doing its best, both internationally and domestically, to establish the enemies du jour: Muslims are terrorists. Immigrants are rapists. War keeps us safe and our bombs are smart.Here at home, police violence against non-whites is fervidly protected against Democrats who want to defund the police. And in the past year or so, a new enemy has begun taking shape: the academicians who have invented and now promote, beyond the college campuses, Critical Race Theory, which makes children uncomfortable.That’s the current political rallying cry: Don’t make the children uncomfortable! Don’t go around telling the truth. It’s Marxist, for God’s sake.

While lynching can no longer be justified, remembering it and talking about it in the classroom is still something that can be condemned, even made illegal (or sort of illegal), in the process turning the Civil Rights Movement on its head, e.g.:Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis recently signed a bill into law banning woke blather — you know history — from being taught and discussed in public schools, “based on the fundamental truth that all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable rights.” Yeah, civil rights, man!In the words of the governor himself:”No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race. In Florida, we will not let the far-left woke agenda take over our schools and workplaces.

There is no place for indoctrination or discrimination in Florida.”How eerily fascinating: The protectors of America’s racist history, and to the extent possible, racism itself, have put themselves in the victim seat. In their view, apparently, somebody is always the loser. My message to them is to go back to kindergarten, but bring with you a copy of the extraordinary book of photographs, compiled by James Allen and published in 2000, called Without Sanctuary. Many of the photos in the book are actually postcards. Virtually every photo shows one or more black human beings lynched — hanging from tree branches, bridges, barns — the corpses often surrounded by smiling (white) onlookers, including children.I guarantee, Ron, et al., this book will tear at your soul. But with the help of a good teacher, the message conveyed by the book is not shame. You will be looking at the pictures from a context that is beyond the hell and horror that was present at the time; that is beyond the ignorance of the era, when some people were dehumanized, declared disposable. Inhale this reality! Inhale the wrongness, the awfulness of it — and know this is not all of who we are.

This is what happens when ignorance prevails, allowing us to dehumanize — and then kill — others. It’s called racism. It’s called war. And this is what it looks like in the raw: separated from the justification of the moment.History demands that we see it for what it is — and grow up. It’s called evolution, and we are evolving, all of us together. We will have no future until we can face our past. 































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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago
...with the help of a good teacher, the message conveyed by the book is not shame. You will be looking at the pictures from a context that is beyond the hell and horror that was present at the time; that is beyond the ignorance of the era, when some people were dehumanized, declared disposable. Inhale this reality! Inhale the wrongness, the awfulness of it — and know this is not all of who we are.

This is what happens when ignorance prevails
 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.1  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

Is there an age-appropriate balance to this? Do we whip out all the anti-abortion pictures on the kiddos, too?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  squiggy @1.1    4 years ago
Is there an age-appropriate balance to this?

A balance to telling white children that they are racists?  Or telling black children that they are victims?

This is not about balance. This is all about ridding academia of theses hateful vermin.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 years ago

People like you do not want children being taught that America has a racist history.  Why it bothers people to have to admit that is somewhat of a mystery, but I have my own thoughts about that. In any case the country cannot evolve until we accept what got us here and vow to make it better. 

White people are not victims in this society, yet we hear from someone virtually every day that they are.

What are you afraid of ?

As far as children being told they are racist individuals, I dont believe that it happens. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    4 years ago
People like you do not want children being taught that America has a racist history. 

People like me appreciate an accurate teaching of history.


Why it bothers people to have to admit that is somewhat of a mystery

There is no mystery, John. People always want to think positive thoughts of this nation's founding and development.


 In any case the country cannot evolve until we accept what got us here and vow to make it better. 

The country cannot endure until this evil ideology is eradicated.


White people are not victims in this society

Neither is anyone else.


What are you afraid of ?

I'm not afraid of anything John, I'm determined to put a stop to this hateful ideology.


As far as children being told they are racist individuals, I dont believe that it happens.

I see.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    4 years ago
People like me appreciate an accurate teaching of history.

There is not even the slightest shadow of doubt that America has historically been a racist country. It is extremely well documented. Saying otherwise is pure denial. 

When Obama became the first viable black candidate for president in 2007-08, an utter panic set in among a segment of white people, who foresaw that they might "lose " their" country. Thus we got birtherism, the Tea Party, Alex Jones, the Freedom Caucus, white Christian nationalism, and eventually Donald Trump and MAGA . It is all an effort to forestall reality , an effort based on white grievance. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    4 years ago
Saying otherwise is pure denial. 

As somebody famous said "Don't put words in my mouth!"  Like our friend here, I made a very simple statement:

"People like me appreciate an accurate teaching of history."

And of course, our dear friend is never around when words like "People like you" are used.


When Obama became the first viable black candidate for president in 2007-08, an utter panic set in among a segment of white people, who foresaw that they might "lose " their" country.

Prove it!

No candidate gets elected without 40% of the white vote. There was only one group that voted on race.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    4 years ago

post links that clearly indicate that teachers told white kids they are racist

put up or shut up

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    4 years ago

Here's another one:

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.11    4 years ago

They've never been the same since Harry Caray past away.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.1.14  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.8    4 years ago

... that you will read them, or shut up?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.11    4 years ago
Funny that Google seems to be working just fine where I live.

I think it's a capability issue and not a connectivity issue.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
1.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    4 years ago
There is not even the slightest shadow of doubt that America has historically been a racist country. It is extremely well documented. Saying otherwise is pure denial.

Who is denying it?  Or is the fact that many have accepted this history and moved on in a way that will end racism.  Well with the exception of the racist dim bulbs that push garbage like CRT every change they get.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.1.18  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.8    4 years ago

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Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    4 years ago

People promoting CRT trash are proof that hateful ignorance does in fact prevail.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.19    4 years ago

They made their fatal mistake with having the kids learn from home. That's when parents got to see it for themselves!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.23  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.22    4 years ago

Yep.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.22    4 years ago
That's when parents got to see it for themselves!

Then when parents took it to the school boards, the school boards started crying and AG Garland set out to investigate and prosecute parents for standing up for their children.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.25  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.24    4 years ago

And calling concerned parents "domestic terrorists" for being concerned about about what their kids were learning! That was really pathetic.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.25    4 years ago

Goes right along with everything else we are seeing from this shitty administration and it's supporters.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.27  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    4 years ago

First of all, the day will never dawn on this earth when I am "afraid" to reply to you. I often "move on" rather than get into pissing matches with incompetent people. 

I looked at all of your links. Two of them are reporting the same story. 

The last link, from a far right website called USSA News , doesnt work.  I did notice a few other things on that website that will show everyone the sort of material you source from

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The top two are ads on that crackpot website, one trying to sell "assault" rifles , and the other trying to sell food to "preppers".  The bottom two are stories in the news section of that site. 

I would never even consider linking from a site like that, but you did it. Good job. 

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None of the articles you linked to show proof that any teacher told an individual white student "you are a racist". But lets say that the five articles you linked are more or less accurate and these teachers did say something inappropriate to their students about "white privilege. 

130,930.  

That is how many K -12  schools there are in the United States. Each of those schools must have multiple classrooms where teaching of social studies takes place. I think we can surmise that there are at least 500,000 classrooms across the country where this "telling kids they are racist" could be taking place. A half million. Yet what do we see? A minute smattering of examples of high school kids being told about white privilege and the parents of these kids getting irate about it. 

Kids should be taught that white people have run the world for hundreds of years and that the result of that has been racism towards minorities. There is nothing wrong with teaching kids that, so we as a society can overcome it. I dont doubt that some white kids feel "uncomfortable" when race is brought up in school, so what are the schools to do, not bring it up?  That is just status quo, as we have seen for again hundreds of years.  Yes we had civil rights legislation in the US, 50-60 years ago. But as important as it was, civil rights legislation does not end racism, but education might. 

Do you find it interesting that the current young generation is considered to be the least biased against "the other" of any US generation?  Many of those kids were taught tolerance AT SCHOOL. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.28  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.24    4 years ago
AG Garland set out to investigate and prosecute parents for standing up for their children.

Garbage lies. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.21    4 years ago

Get lost. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.30  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.17    4 years ago
Or is the fact that many have accepted this history and moved on in a way that will end racism.

You are talking about liberals, not MAGA. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.31  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.15    4 years ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.28    4 years ago

So you are calling the linked memo SIGNED BY GARLAND garbage and lies?  Nothing like showing everybody you are, in fact, willfully ignorant to the whole situation.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.33  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.30    4 years ago

Can't be liberals if you are still blathering on and on about it.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.31    4 years ago

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JohnRussell
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1.1.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.34    4 years ago

You are a waste of time. Unfortunately NT keeps giving you a platform. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
1.1.36  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.35    4 years ago

Wow, doubling down on the insults.  I guess proving a singed memo wrong (and not some bullshit news story wrong) really befuddled you.  

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.37  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.27    4 years ago

“Many of those kids were taught tolerance AT SCHOOL.”

And sadly, intolerance is a learned behavior inculcated, incubated, and instilled at home. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.39  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  afrayedknot @1.1.37    4 years ago

Having lived in many parts of the world during my 20 year military career, I made it a point to make sure my children learned tolerance at home and I have done the same with my grandchildren. I did not need to rely on school systems to do what is a parent's responsibility. My children and older grandchildren thanked me for it later in life.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.40  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.38    4 years ago

The difference between you and me is that I can express my thoughts and facts with a degree of effectiveness and competence, and you post from far right websites. 

There are hundreds of thousands of schoolrooms in the US where "CRT" could be being taught. It isnt being taught in hundreds of thousands of classrooms is it?  CRT isnt being taught in any, but you find a smattering of teachers talking about "white privilege". So what? 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.1.42  afrayedknot  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.39    4 years ago

“Having lived in many parts of the world during my 20 year military career, I made it a point to make sure my children learned tolerance at home…”

Good on you, sir. 

Seems the intolerance is being taught by those who never had the opportunity or desire to see the world as you and I have.

To look outside the comfortable box in which we live is to open our eyes to lives that struggle daily to put food on the table, to hope to educate their children, and to do so in spite of the economic and educational barriers they face. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.45  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.9    4 years ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.46  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.28    4 years ago

"Garbage lies."

Prove it!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.47  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 years ago

Do you have proof of what you claim? I mean actual proof...not NY Post, American Examiner, Washington Times or Fox News

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.48  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    4 years ago
Prove it! Thus we got birtherism, the Tea Party, Alex Jones, the Freedom Caucus, white Christian nationalism, and eventually Donald Trump and MAGA . It is all an effort to forestall reality , an effort based on white grievance. 

I think he just did

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.49  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.10    4 years ago

that's not a news article

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    4 years ago

2022 student 

"grandma (or great grandma) why were you screaming at that black girl that just wanted to go to school" ?

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This is what some whites dont want taught to their children. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 years ago

Some white parents dont want ANY of this taught to their kids. 

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A group of teenage girls scream obscenities at Black students entering their high school in Montgomery, Alabama. (© Flip Schulke/CORBIS/ Corbis via Getty Images)

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JBB
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2.1.1  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    4 years ago

The damn gop is intent on playing gotcha with educators for even mentioning slavery, the removal of Native Americans, the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow or the fight for Civil Rights.

It might make their snowflake kids feel bad about themselves!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    4 years ago

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JBB
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2.1.5  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.4    4 years ago

What in the hell are you jabbering about now? I never ever said that teachers were not still teaching American History to kids. Because, they are! What is ridiculous and dumb and all wrongheaded is the dumbass far rightwingers in the gop who are falsely claiming teachers are teaching CRT and trying to get them all fired for just doing their jobs! So, can all that manufactured douchebagery!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.7  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    4 years ago

No, you asked what states aren't teaching American History!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    4 years ago

There is very little doubt that some if not many of the people in these photos are still alive. They might be in their 80's or even 90's, but how can something be ancient history when the participants are still alive?

The white grievance crowd lives in denial. There are white people who do not want their children taught that grandma screamed obscenities at black kids who were trying to go to school. In some ways it is that simple. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.1.18  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.17    4 years ago

Looks like he's gone to silent running mode.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.19  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @2.1.18    4 years ago

If you really have me on ignore then why do you still troll me?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.20  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.17    4 years ago

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Sean Treacy
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2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 years ago
randma (or great grandma) why were you screaming at that black girl that just wanted to go to school" ?

Granddaughter, why won't you let white people in your college house?

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JohnRussell
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2.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    4 years ago
Granddaughter, why won't you let white people in your college house?

So you equate anti-black, or other people of color , racism  with anti-white racism. This is willful ignorance. The two are not comparable. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.3    4 years ago

If I accurately described white people who think they are victims of racism, to you, I would get a coc violation. 

I will have to risk it by saying you dont know what the hell you are talking about. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    4 years ago
Why isn't the racism of modern liberals taught to kids?

Because that would expose the hypocrisy within the hive.  You can't have that now.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.5    4 years ago

That seems to be happening a lot with many liberals.  I wonder why...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    4 years ago
The two are not comparable.

It's the same disease John. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.8    4 years ago

Black racism towards whites is almost entirely a reaction to white racism that has gone on for centuries. They are not remotely comparable. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.9    4 years ago

Racism is racism no matter what the origin or cause. Period.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.2    4 years ago
So you equate anti-black, or other people of color , racism  with anti-white racism.

Racism is fucking racism regardless of the color of the skin that's being discriminated against. 

I cannot believe this has to be explained to a fucking adult.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.14    4 years ago
Sure you can. Happens every day.

That is pretty damn sad that it happens.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.9    4 years ago
Black racism towards whites is almost entirely a reaction to white racism that has gone on for centuries

Holy shit!  Are you actually attempting to justify racism?  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2    4 years ago

Sweeping Generalization

Oh. My Bad. I'll use officially approved language.

Why isn't  the racism of modern liberal fucks taught in school? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.19  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.16    4 years ago

Get lost. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.13    4 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.9    4 years ago

How do you justify Black racism towards Asians or Hispanics?  Asian American racism towards Blacks?  Hispanic racism towards Blacks?  Black antisemitism?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.22  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.21    4 years ago

No one in their right mind could look at the history of this country and conclude that all racism is equal. A whole lot of "conservatives" seem to struggle mightily with that. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.22    4 years ago

I certainly don’t think that the aggregated effects are equal and I see that you failed to answer my questions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.23    4 years ago

The answer to your question is there in my comment. You just dont see it, evidently. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.24    4 years ago

No I don’t see your justification of racism by people of color to people of color.  Could you highlight it?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.2.26  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.25    4 years ago

Why do Ukrainians hate Russians? Why do Muslim Pakistanis hate Hindu Indians? Why do the Irish hate the English? Why do Okies hate Texans? And you have the gall to question why people of African heritage might have an aversion to white people? Hate is toxic whenever, wherever and whoever but throughout human history, many people had their reasons...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.27  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.26    4 years ago
And you have the gall to question why people of African heritage might have an aversion to white people?

When do you think that I asked that?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.28  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.27    4 years ago

Whoosh! Why do Hutus hate Tutsis? Why do Koreans hate Japanese? I am sure you have a basic understanding why people often hate their their neighbors, sometimes worse even than foreign enemies who look nothing like them!. Must always be about race with you?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.29  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.28    4 years ago
Whoosh!

Pretty gassy tonight, what was lunch?

Must always be about race with you?

This isn’t my seed, I didn’t bring up race.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
2.2.30  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @2.2.28    4 years ago
Whoosh!

The irony....... 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.31  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.29    4 years ago

Another who fails to understand their comments are visible?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.32  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.31    4 years ago

I have no idea what you intended point is, do you?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.33  JBB  replied to  Jack_TX @2.2.30    4 years ago

ZZZZZ...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.34  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.32    4 years ago

Above, ^^^^, you said that you could not imagine why people sometimes hate others of their own race, as if race was the only reason you could imagine for hate. As if people have not forever hate their neighbors regardless of their skin tones!

My new saying, "Online trolls are the knights in Satan's army".

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.35  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.34    4 years ago
Above, ^^^^, you said that you could not imagine why people sometimes hate others of their own race, as if race was the only reason you could imagine for hate.

When do you think that I said that?

My new saying, "Online trolls are the knights in Satan's army".

Does this indicate a conversion to fundamentalism?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.36  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.35    4 years ago

1. See your comment #2.2.25 above and then get back with us.

2. I hear you, "Hail Satan!"

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.37  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.36    4 years ago

Yes, I reread my comment 2.2.25 and I said nothing like: “Above, ^^^^, you said that you could not imagine why people sometimes hate others of their own race, as if race was the only reason you could imagine for hate.”

I hear you, "Hail Satan!

Is that a remnant of your OK heritage?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.39  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.37    4 years ago

Assuming that you agree there are circumstances where one might feel justified hating anyone and that we are both white, could you ever understand feeling justified in loathing me? 

Can you imagine hating someone of your race? I surely can...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.40  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.38    4 years ago

Some really lame folks will not own their own written words! 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.42  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.41    4 years ago

You do tolerate it because you are called on it all the fucking time and there is not one damn thing you can do to stop people from calling, "Bullshit", on your bullshit...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.44  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.43    4 years ago

Yes, you usually say basically that several times every day!

Own It!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.2.47  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.19    4 years ago

Answer my fucking question - 

ARE YOU TRYING TO JUSTIFY RACISM?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.2.48  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.20    4 years ago

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.49  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.48    4 years ago

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Black people did not invent racism in America, whites did.

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.50  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.47    4 years ago

Understanding something is not justifying it or approving it.  Try it sometime. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.2.51  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.41    4 years ago

For some people it is much easier to just ad lib as they go along.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.2.52  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.50    4 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.53  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.49    4 years ago
Black people did not invent racism in America, whites did.

Did that happen because of an inherent defect in whiteness?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
2.2.54  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.49    4 years ago

Got news for you. Racism in one form or another has been around since before the dawn of recorded history and it was not confined to just blacks no matter how much you would like to think it was.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
2.2.55  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.52    4 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.56  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.39    4 years ago
Can you imagine hating someone of your race? I surely can...

Certainly, do you have a point or a way of relating this to the previous conversation?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.2.57  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.56    4 years ago

So you can understand how some people justify hating others of their own race, even though you said you could not above?

It is okay to admit you said something you really don't believe!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
2.2.58  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @2.2.57    4 years ago
even though you said you could not above?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

It is okay to admit you said something you really don't believe!

What do you think I said that I don't believe?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Senior Silent
4  afrayedknot    4 years ago

“…when most of us have moved on and see that things improved enormously.”

Easy to see in the myopic, exclusionary viewpoint that requires blinders or the most red rose colored lenses. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.2  Greg Jones  replied to  afrayedknot @4    4 years ago

So where's all that present day systemic racism you talk about?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Senior Silent
4.2.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2    4 years ago

“So where's all that present day systemic racism you talk about?”

One only look (if one is willing) at the educational, judicial, housing, economical differences one faces if for no other reason than a skin color. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2    4 years ago
here's all that present day systemic racism you talk abou

Yeah,  the racist Americana government left a lesbian black woman in a Russian jail in order to get  a white male out.  

So much systematic racism. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.2.2    4 years ago

Good job staying in the moment. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
4.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  afrayedknot @4.2.1    4 years ago
One only look (if one is willing) at the educational, judicial, housing, economical differences one faces if for no other reason than a skin color.

And your solution to this is related to CRT in what way, exactly?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
4.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  afrayedknot @4.2.1    4 years ago

Yet you refuse to show evidence of it.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Guide
4.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  afrayedknot @4    4 years ago

Exactly, ““Equitable treatment means we all end up in the same place.”

 
 

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