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WTF is wrong with independents?

  
By:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  66 comments


WTF is wrong with independents?
 

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I'm not sure this is the time to be wishy washy, so I wont.

A new ABC poll shows that Trump , currently, leads Biden by 9% in terms of who they would vote for to be president. In the face of everything we have learned about Trump over the past number of years, almost none of which is good, our "independents" , according to this poll would re-elect this traitor to office if the opponent is Joe Biden. 

Has this country truly lost its mind? 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Yesterday we saw video of Trump saying that pussy grabbing has been acceptable for a "million years" if you are a "star", and he says he is a star. 

This is the person independents would vote for? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago

If that's what a majority of the people want.....sure, why not.

I'm betting on DeSantis, but Trump is still more acceptable to most Americans than the POS current occupant of the WH

Until the Democrats can offer something better, you'll have to deal with what you got.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 years ago

No matter what happens , if we put a traitor back in office this country will be drowning in shame forever. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 years ago

I consider Biden to be a traitor who should be impeached and removed from office...

except that'll give us Kamala. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    3 years ago

Take it to court then so you can be laughed out of it. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 years ago

With dumbo in office right now we are drowning in idiocy and debt and high costs and high crime and record discord and ......

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
This is the person independents would vote for? 

Well, it's very simple. This time Biden has a record to run on and as Jen Psaki and other democrats have pointed out: if the election is about the Biden presidency he loses. Democrats have to resort to a choice election, but they already pulled that off twice and neither time was Biden's performance an issue.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    3 years ago

They want to just ignore Biden's record and refuse to talk about how a lot of people will vote on kitchen table issues.  

And what do you think of those activists in CA who were on record shouting at Biden that he better have a solid plan for reparations or they don't get his vote?  Could this election see a record low turnout for that vote?  Somehow I doubt it but we shall see.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @1.2.1    3 years ago

Don't worry, between now and election time the dems will come up with the dirtiest schemes anyone can imagine.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    3 years ago

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

Have you seen joe Biden talk? How could anyone vote for someone who should be considering assisted living ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 years ago

Yep. I've also see Trump talk. What comes out of Trumps mouth is a hundred times worse than what comes out of Bidens mouth. If America elects Trump again, there will be no "American values" left to fawn over the founding fathers for bequeathing them to us. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 years ago

How many people in assisted living travel all over the world giving speeches? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    3 years ago

How many people traveling the world can’t remember the most recent country they traveled to. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.2.1    3 years ago
How many people traveling the world can’t remember the most recent country they traveled to. 

Ok, how many? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    3 years ago

The White House is basically assisted living.  
I would imagine many people in assisted living, my 90 year old uncle for instance, could travel around the world under the conditions Biden does. 

What 40 hour a week job could Biden perform? He was nominally  lawyer at one time.  Do you imagine he could prepare and try a week long case without being sued for malpractice?  Or even keep a 7/11 functioning for a week? 

you may live in denial, but most American have had family and or friends go through the old age  mental decline Biden is clearly suffering from and how disastrous it would be to have someone in that condition making life and death decisions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.4    3 years ago

Sean, I dont give a fuck. I care about the honor of my country. If we put Trump back in office we wont have any honor left. 

There is no evidence that Biden cant do his job. There is evidence of him speaking hesitatingly and looking physically stiff as he walks around. 

Did you see Trumps deposition? Are you going to seriously argue this person should be put back in office under ANY circumstances? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    3 years ago
"I care about the honor of my country."
 If you really cared about our country you would not support Biden and the destructive policies of the progressive left. 
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    3 years ago
If we put Trump back in office we wont have any honor left.

Do you honestly think Biden is honorable? He's left wing Trump, with better press. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    3 years ago
I care about the honor of my country.

Bullshit.    You only care about your idea of what you think this country should be and screw all others.     Your attitude is the antithesis of what this country was intended to be.

Care about the honor of this country?  

Give me a break

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.7    3 years ago
He's left wing Trump, with better press. 

And a more active sniffer ....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.10  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.7    3 years ago

Your comment is laughable. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.11  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    3 years ago
I care about the honor of my country.

If you did you wouldn't vote for Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine. Anyone that can ignore all of the evidence that he and his family are on the take from foreign countries for access is as bad as he is.

If we put Trump back in office we wont have any honor left. 

We don't have any honor now when NATO countries are siding with China over the US. When Saudi Arabia and Egypt are falling into step with China and Russia on the world stage. Brandon did that. No one else.

There is no evidence that Biden cant do his job.

The border, illegal immigration, inflation, high gas prices, crime, our allies walking away. No damn evidence what-so-ever that Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine is unfit for office. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Did you see Trumps deposition? Are you going to seriously argue this person should be put back in office under ANY circumstances? 

Over Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine and the corrupt POS Democrats- you bet!

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 years ago
Have you seen joe Biden talk?

I have heard Joe Biden speak many times and he is articulate (as opposed to Trump).

I especially liked his talk at the Whitehouse correspondents dinner (funny and smart).

His self-deprecating humor was completely opposite of Trump's self-aggrandizement.  

Trump hasn't attended the event since Obama ripped his thin skin a new one.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  cjcold @2.3    3 years ago
ave heard Joe Biden speak many times and he is articulate (

No, he's not.  Did you see his last interview complete with a staff handler in case  MSNBC wasn't obsequious enough? We can't let Obama be President again? What does that mean? 

There's a reason he's hidden from the press unless he's given scripted questions and works two hour days.  It's not because he's articulate.

His self-deprecating humor was completely opposite of Trump's self-aggrandizement.

I don't think you know what that means. Making fun of the press for being sycophants and attacking Republicans is not "self-deprecating"

d the event since Obama ripped his thin skin a new one

Biden is about as "self deprecating"  as Obama was. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

We dont need idiocy from the peanut gallery. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 years ago

This lifelong independent hasn't voted for a republican in many years.

Republicans, on the whole, have lost their collective anti-American minds.

Corporate greed and fascism are the GOPs only concerns these days.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  cjcold @4.1    3 years ago

Yes they have. 

 
 
 
JBB
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6  JBB    3 years ago

Indies will bitch about Biden till they vote for him, basically helping Trump every step of the way...

original

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @6    3 years ago

When we have a situation where current polls show Trump leading , by a considerable amount no less, with independents, over Biden , this is a concerning situation. The evidence of Trump's unfitness is crystal clear. Do "independents" not follow current events? This sort of poll makes one fear for the future of our country. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.1.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    3 years ago

Independent liberals tend to be centrists.

Independent conservatives tend to be far right.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @6.1.1    3 years ago

Independent Liberal = Oxymoron

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @6    3 years ago

Trump is beating Biden by 7 points in the new Washington Post poll.

But cling to your meme if it makes you happy. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7  Sparty On    3 years ago
Has this country truly lost its mind? 

Yes, they voted Biden/Harris in.    

But don’t believe me.    

Just open your eyes and see.

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.1  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @7    3 years ago
Just open your eyes and see.

Yes we have our eyes open and see Trump, MTG, Palin, Boebert, Santos, McConnell, Cruz, Ron Johnson, Hawley, Graham, McCarthy, Jordan, Gaetz, Gosar, Gohmert, Clyde, Mast, DeSantis, Abbott, Noem, Kemp, Cotton, Scott, Rubio, Sasse, Carlson, Pompeo, Haley, Hannity, Ingraham, Pirro, Lahren, D'Souza, Limbaugh, Beck, Shapiro, etc. etc. etc. etc............

Far right wing, lying, democracy hating, stupid, ignorant, fascists all!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  cjcold @7.1    3 years ago

Even the right wont try to defend a lot of those people. They just pretend those clowns , liars and assholes dont exist. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @7.1    3 years ago

Lol eyes open eh?    Eyes open to:

  • Record high inflation
  • Record high national debt
  • Record high crime
  • Record high gas prices
  • Record high food prices
  • Record high energy prices
  • A 16 year high Federal Interest rates
  • A 14 year high 30 year mortgage rate
  • Debilitating lockdowns
  • Record COVID deaths
  • More national division, discontent and less unification
  • Less energy security 
  • Less every day security
  • A war in Ukraine
  • A failed Afghanistan withdrawal
  • A failed foreign policy with China, Russia, and throughout the world
  • A failed border control policy
  • Record Fentanyl deaths driven largely by failed border policy.
  • A debilitating supply chain crisis
  • Etc, etc .....

Yeah, your eyes are open /S

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8  Snuffy    3 years ago

I said it before and I can say it again.  Biden will not have as easy a time running for 24 as he did in 20. He will have to hit the campaign trail, be in public, take part in a live debate and he will have to live with his record of the past 2.5 years.  Most people vote on kitchen table issues and with prices so much higher than they were 2 years ago people will remember that when they vote.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @8    3 years ago

Is Donald Trump fit to hold office in the United States?  Thats all that matters here. Never means never, not something to be ignored if he runs against an old man. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 years ago

Trump's more fit than Biden, that's just for sure.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 years ago

As I said, most people will vote on kitchen table issues and with prices so much higher than they were two years ago Biden is the one who will catch the blame.  You have one vote, I have one vote.  Between the two of us we cannot prevent Trump from winning the election if enough people vote for him.  You can howl at the moon all  you want about how unfit for office he is but again you only have one vote in the matter.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @8.1.2    3 years ago

I asked you if Trump is fit to hold office. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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8.1.5  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.3    3 years ago

In your opinion he is not.  In my opinion I do not want him anywhere near that office again and cannot vote for him.  But as I said ,  Biden will not have as easy of a time this go around regardless of who the Republican candidate is.  Biden will need to run on his own history and that is what independents are gauging him by.  

All I had said was that Biden will not have as easy of a time because of his record of the past two years and I explained my reasoning.  You are the one who had to bring Trump into the picture and in this regard I really don't fucking care.  I was talking about Biden and Biden ONLY.

If you cannot respond to what I posted without branching into your favorite subject then just fuck off.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.2  Sparty On  replied to  Snuffy @8    3 years ago

Biden won in 2020 for one reason.

COVID-19

Thats it.

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.3  cjcold  replied to  Snuffy @8    3 years ago

Just make sure you place the blame where it really belongs.

Blame it on ALEC, Citizens United and the far right supreme court.

Anybody who votes GOP in any election is just begging for more of the same.

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.3.2  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @8.3.1    3 years ago

Citizens should be required to take and pass college level civics and economics classes before being allowed to vote. 

Far too many have no idea how government actually works.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.3.6  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @8.3    3 years ago
Anybody who votes GOP in any election is just begging for more of the same.

Anyone who votes for Biden in any election is looking for more 7.1.3 and is just too dull to realize it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

If you want to comment on this article say something of substance. Trolling for the sake of trolling will be deleted. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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11  Right Down the Center    3 years ago

What is wrong with independents? 

Absolutely nothing other than they have a mind of their own and that really bothers some of the partisan fools that can't see beyond their own narrow viewpoint. 

They can ignore all the "noise" around them.  All the "Trump is a traitor" and "Biden has Alzheimer's" that cable "news" and some people that watch cable "news" spew every day.

They won't be bullied into choosing who to support based on a twisted narrative or partisan spin, no matter how many times they are called names.

They will do their own analysis and make their own decisions based on their analysis, not anyone elses analysis.

And man does that piss some people off.

I will also mention what pisses independents off.  If Joe and Donald are running against each other in 2024 they are pissed that for the third time in a row they have to choose the lesser of two evils.  Do the choose a narcissistic blowhole that thinks the world revolves around him or the idiot that probably thinks the world is flat?  Do they choose the guy with no filter or the guy that tried to pass himself as a moderate and then took a left off the cliff once elected. 

While some may be asking what is wrong with independents many independents wonder what is wrong with both parties.  Why are both parties (and the media)  being led around by their extremes and what has to happen for the parties to tell their extremes to STFU so they can be in the middle.  You know, where the majority of Americans are.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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12  Nerm_L    3 years ago

There's nothing wrong with independents.  The problem is the two parties nominate shitty candidates.

You know, there are enough independent voters that an independent candidate should be competitive.  The two parties invest 20 months on the primaries and the country invests only 4 months on the real election.  Independent candidates don't have primaries so they're pretty much eliminated from public notice long before the election campaigns even start.  The two parties have rigged the primaries so badly that independent candidates have virtually no chance.  Independent candidates can't fight the party money machines, are ignored by the press, and aren't allowed onto the debate stage for the actual election.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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13  Jack_TX    3 years ago

So.... this idea that people if someone doesn't fully agree with you there must be something wrong with them...

That's religious fanaticism 101.  

 
 

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