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Elon Musk Suggests America Needs A Dictator

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  22 comments


Elon Musk Suggests America Needs A Dictator
he classical writers of Sulla’s time or shortly thereafter found it difficult to form an opinion of him; they noted the discrepancy of the Sulla “who follows up good beginnings with evil deeds.” Generally their attitude was a negative one, with references to despotism, slavery, cruelty, and inhumanity, and the absence of any principle of good government.

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Sulla


Roman dictator


....Sulla, a soldier and a politician, a dictator and a reformer, and a man of contradictions in an age of contradictions, is the subject of contradictory opinions expressed by both classical and modern writers. The classical writers of Sulla’s time or shortly thereafter found it difficult to form an opinion of him; they noted the discrepancy of the Sulla “who follows up good beginnings with evil deeds.” Generally their attitude was a negative one, with references to despotism, slavery, cruelty, and inhumanity, and the absence of any principle of good government. The opinions held by modern writers cover a spectrum ranging from Sulla the  enigma  (because of his resignation), to Sulla the monarch, to Sulla the honest reformer.



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
The most notorious part of Sulla's time as dictator were his proscriptions. The proscriptions were lists of people’s names that were displayed in public places throughout Italy. The thousands of people named on these lists were considered 'enemies of the Roman state' and could be legally hunted and killed by anyone brave (or greedy) enough to do so. They included a third of the senators,  equites  (members of the wealthier classes), and even some common citizens. 

 

Once these proscribed people were killed, their lands and houses were seized and sold, with the money given to Sulla. In addition, Sulla announced that the descendants of anyone on these lists were forever banned from entering Roman politics.

There was an additional incentive for Romans to hunt down those people on the lists. Anyone who could prove to Sulla that they had killed a proscribed person was promised a monetary reward. 

 

A young Crassus was particularly active in the proscriptions. He is said to have made a fortune by writing men's names on the proscription lists so that he could get their houses after they were killed. It was also rumoured that he even bought the property of those who had been killed at a reduced price.

 

The proscriptions were motivated by Sulla's desire for revenge against his enemies, but they also served to instill fear in the people of Rome and discourage any future rebellions.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 years ago
The proscriptions were motivated by Sulla's desire for revenge against his enemie

It's impossible to discuss Sulla without his rival Marius. Marius spent his career destroying the traditions and guardrails that allowed the Republic to function.  Most notoriously, he assumed  the consulship 5 times in a row in direct contradiction to the tradition that only allowed a man to hold it once every 10 years.  When Sulla was off in Asia fighting Mithridates, Marius and his army of slaves took over Rome and slaughtered anyone thought to oppose Marius. Heads on pikes, rape and all that.

After returning victorious, Sulla defeated the Marian forces to end the civil war  and was named dictator. The proscriptions were an attempt to punish the Marian rebels with at least the vestige of lawfulness, as opposed to the wholesale random slaughter that had marked Marius's final return to power.

Sulla tried to restore the Republic, but the cat was out of the bag. Tradition, laws and mores were meaningless in the face of people determined to simply win at all costs.  The law became a weapon to be used against enemies, not something that constrained those in power.  A lesson to always be remembered. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    3 years ago

Why would any responsible American citizen suggest that America needs a dictator ?

This is the title of Sulla's page in Encyclopedia Britannica

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Sulla

Roman dictator

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 years ago
Why would any responsible American citizen suggest that America needs a dictator ?

Yeah...that would be the point of this seed

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 years ago

The more interesting question is why he choose Sulla.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.3    3 years ago
Tradition, laws and mores were meaningless in the face of people determined to simply win at all costs

Sounds like Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Elon Musk is a danger to democracy. 

 
 
 
George
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2.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
Elon Musk is a danger to democracy. 

Do we have a list that updates the lefts boogieman of the Day/week? It's hard to keep up with everyone they are afraid of. 

I thought Trump was a danger to democracy? or was it Jordan? maybe McCarthy?  If DeSantis wins is he a danger? or maybe MTG? it's hard to keep up with everyone the left is running scared of, does someone have a program they can share?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  George @2.1    3 years ago

Your point would be..................?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3  bbl-1    3 years ago

Maybe America does need a 'dictator'.  You know, like Keith Olbermann.

As far as Musk, he's overpaid and undertaxed.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1  Ender  replied to  bbl-1 @3    3 years ago

How in the world tesla is worth as much as it is I will never understand.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.2  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    3 years ago

Like some people, Value way over blown.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.4  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    3 years ago

Good to know. As a buyer I think I want to pay 100 bucks for a BMW...

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.6  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.5    3 years ago

I don't value them.

 
 

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