Evidently the black dock worker moved the white guys pontoon boat to make room for a returning tourist boat. I guess the white dudes didnt like a black man touching their property.
There are other videos that show retaliation by a group of nearby black men. I didnt include any of them because they are somewhat sensationalistic in tone and not necessary to understand what started it.
I got no problem with Black folks trying to help the dock worker who was only doing his job. Do you feel the same about the 7-11 workers in California defending their property.
Yeah, probably most of their drunk asses are going to get some jail time. Do you think that the co-captain should have taken it upon himself to move the boat?
Do you think that the co-captain should have taken it upon himself to move the boat?
Yes. 'Moving' the boat a tad farther down the 'way' is minimal. Rather than having the boat impounded or whatever it is called. Also, do realize that the ferryboat and the people on the vessel have time constraints, schedules, and individual traveler appointments to manage and thus, somebody needed to act!
Moreover, let me mention the posted signs that may have been on-site there!
Can't do a hypothetical here. This is what it is, Texan! Oh and btw, I can not condone hitting people on the head with chairs. For one thing, in the WWE it's trained professionals who know how to stage a chair 'hit' and also how to receive it properly (for show effect). This is not the case here, people of certain ages have health issues and age issues. In fact, that black man was told to stand down by one of his fellow boaters and then officers proceeded to take him down, justifiably under arrest for his part in assaulting people with a dangerous object!
In this case, can't and won't carry the same weight, because I don't have to respond to what you admit is a hypothetical suggestion that has no part in this. But, you do you.
Maybe, and we will never know at this point, because those are not the particulars of this incident. Why do you persist in hazarding hypotheticals?! From the movie, Frozen: "Let it go!"
You need to be checked! This is ridiculous. You obviously can not accept reasoning by liberals. This is simply too much reckless chattering all the time!
So if the problem was discussed in some form between the parties and nothing was resolved and in fact belligerence is shown. You think it's better to take matters into "your" own hands rather than involve some type of authority?
What are asking specifically? Because as written your question is overbroad! As it is the authorities, in this case, was the riverboat captain-at least as far as the deck-hand is concerned. As to the pontoon boat, when it was lightly nudged out of the way, the owner should have appreciated that it was not confiscated-which after this chaotic scene playing out it may have been detained already by the authorities.
As it is the authorities, in this case, was the riverboat captain-at least as far as the deck-hand is concerned.
The riverboat captain and his crew are private entities like the owner of the pontoon boat. I don't see how my question could be too broad as it pertains to this situation.
You know what I find funny is that the drunks whose private property was messed with, without their permission, are labeled racist (maybe deservedly). But the white riverboat captain that sent the one black guy to deal with the drunken rednecks is going viral....
So if the problem was discussed in some form between the parties and nothing was resolved and in fact belligerence is shown. You think it's better to take matters into "your" own hands rather than involve some type of authority?
I don't know any more than what is written in the media and can be reviewed. How about you? To that end, I don't know what the parties agreed to between themselves or not agreed to do. Nothing? Something? In-betweens?
The problem here is not taking matters into one's own hands as you put it; it was more a situation of finding a happy medium. That blew up in their faces.
The question afterwards, becomes where do we go from 'there'?
First, I don't know any more than what is written in the media and can be reviewed. How about you?
Yes, what's been reported on would be the extent of my knowledge as well, I wasn't there to witness it.
To that end, I don't know what the parties agreed to between themselves or not agreed to do. Nothing? Something? In-betweens?
Based on video I would go with nothing to something.....
The problem here is not taking matters into one's own hands as you put it; it was more a situation of finding a happy medium. That blew up in their faces.
No the problem here is exactly taking matters into one's own hands if you can't find a happy medium instead of being able to handle it the proper way.
No the problem here is exactly taking matters into one's own hands if you can't find a happy medium instead of being able to handle it the proper way.
But, the "blow-out" did not occur until after the pontoon was lightly moved several feet so the riverboat could dock. The move was the happy medium. The parties should have been happy that all would have been well that ended well. That is, no one was harmed before the attack on dock-side.
In this end, the people on shore suffered more than the pontoon from this ordeal.
The happy medium action backfired: Twice. 1. A fight broke out. 2. Arrests, plural, are occurring. Yet, your tone is 'off' in addressing me about this. I am an innocent onlooker into this same as you. That is, no. dog. in. this. fight. or. aftermath!
The operative words are "happy medium." It was sought after and desired by the Captain/co-captain/dockworkers. Alas! It was not to be. Thus, the fall-out: A brawl and ongoing arrests.
Why turn this ordinary brawl into some kind of racial crisis? It’s clear there was an actual dispute about boats, and this didn’t begin because someone was just going after a black guy. And at 0:36 of the second video, a white guy (who, by his vest, I’m guessing may work with the black guy) comes to help and gets punched for his trouble. Pretty weak race war.
There are other videos that show retaliation by a group of nearby black men. I didnt include any of them because they are somewhat sensationalistic in tone and not necessary to understand what started it.
Also, it wouldn’t do to portray black men as anything other peaceful, rational people.
This video shows that whites can be unnecessarily violent too.
I can’t think of any sane person who would dispute that. But if I seeded videos to showcase how violent black people can be, wouldn’t you think that was racist? That’s why people object. This could just be seen as a petty and embarrassing brawl - no racial justice concerns required. Possibly?
I think it’s more interesting to examine the racial angle of the reaction, especially from the mayor, who talks about civil rights, and about teaching his daughter to have her head on a swivel. That’s fine, by itself. I try to teach my own white kids the same thing. But it seems to me that he is assigning racist motivations on minimal evidence.
Five white drunks would have been pissed off with anyone fucking with their boat FFS. Turn the tables and what do you think would have happened? "Thank you for moving our boat sir". Delusional
jumping on a black guy had no racial overtones? Thats interesting.
I suppose it might be interesting - if I had said that. But I didn’t.
I said that racist motivations were being assigned on minimal evidence. That means I concede that there is some evidence that it could have been racially motivated. But concluding that just from watching the video is not reasonable.
Incitement John - ya really need to quit trying to start wars.
Wonder why you didn't post any of the West Coast stuff - ya know - Blacks/whites burning Fed buildings, tearing up Mom'n'Pop businesses, tearing up/burning peoples private housing.
Could be 'cause??????
But, you can say that other Blacks who attempted to stop the tussle were somewhat sensationalistic in tone and not necessary to understand what started it.
Knew when I saw this story this morning you would jump on it. Don't condone this shit but do we know all the circumstances? And didn't want a black man touching their boat? You need help, stat.
Alabama authorities on Monday said four arrest warrants were issued in connection with a massive brawl at a riverfront when a group of people appeared to attack a dockworker as onlookers screamed and recorded the chaos.
Montgomery Police Major Saba Coleman said more warrants could be issued after authorities review more footage of the brawl, that drew nationwide attention. Police said Sunday that several people were detained and charges are pending.
Montgomery Mayor Steven Reed said police will hold a briefing Tuesday to provide an update on the situation.
"While there is a lot of activity and interest in this, we know that we’ll come through this together as a community collectively as we have other situations," Reed told news outlets on Monday, according to al.com. Reed said no one has been arrested yet.
The fight appeared to start when a crew member of a city-operated riverboat tried to get a pontoon boat moved that was blocking the riverboat from docking. A man is seen shoving a crew member, who took off his cap and threw it in the air.
The conflict escalated when several other people joined in and attacked the employee, who was punched and kicked while on the ground.
An onlooker recording the melee is heard shouting: "Help the brother!"
One person is seen swimming to the dock to apparently help the worker being attacked. Onlookers intervened and pulled the individuals off the worker, who then is seen standing up on his own and walking down the dock.
A separate video shows that several passengers then confront the pontoon boat group after the riverboat docked, sparking another brawl before police officers intervened.
Just terrible brawling. I can see the dock worker's position as he had a job to do. That is, he has bosses. Also arrest warrant are issued and more could be coming. I reckon it will be gotten to the bottom of soon.
This likely has nothing to do with race. Anyone who has ever owned a boat and dealt with the plethora of drunk nimrods using docking facilities understands this.
Citified people who have never experienced such things wouldn’t understand.
Uh, the innocent dock workers was black and the drunk attackers were white. On that basis your comment makes no sense.
Also, it was in the news today that the white guys boat was docked improperly in that spot along the pier, which belonged to a tour boat that was out on the water.
My comments makes all the sense in the world. Certainly more than yours which is just grinding your usual race axe.
How much experience do you have around docks and loading ramps. I’ve been around them for over 40 years. My money is drunk assholes causing this problem. See it all the time. The fact they docked their boat in the wrong spot just helps to prove that out.
JR is not the only person expressing concerned that it was a racially-intoxicated incident:
Riverboat Captain: Wild Dockside Attack on My Deckhand WAS Racially Motivated
Racism was at the heart of a dockside melee in Alabama that went viral over the weekend, according to the captain of the vessel whose Black crewman was attacked by a clutch of allegedly intoxicated white pleasure boaters.
“This whole thing is just because these guys were being assholes,” Capt. Jim Kittrell told The Daily Beast in an interview on Tuesday. “I was nice as a peach when I was talking to them at first: ‘Please, help me out here, fellas. Move the boat up a little bit.’”
The fracas began on Saturday evening when Kittrell found a pontoon boat docked in the spot reserved for the sightseeing riverboat Harriott II. He asked the boat’s owners over his PA system to move but was ignored, according to police. So Kittrell said a friend of his brought a smaller craft out to the Harriott II so a senior deckhand could go ashore and clear the way for the larger vessel, carrying 227 passengers, to dock. Kittrell said he only needed “two or three feet” to maneuver the Harriott II in safely, but after the clearly intoxicated people on the pontoon boat continued to simply disregard him, he had no choice but to call 911.
When Kittrell’s deckhand, Damien Pickett, got to the dock, he carefully pushed the pontoon boat forward by a few feet, so Harriott II could disgorge its passengers. Bystander video showed Pickett, who is Black, trying to reason with the pontoon boaters, who were white. Suddenly, a young white man rushed Pickett and punched him in the face. Other white men and women from the pontoon boat quickly jumped in, assaulting both Pickett and the 16-year-old boy who had taken Pickett ashore, police said Tuesday. (The teen is a deckhand trainee, and the only white member of the Harriott II’s crew, Kittrell said.)
Seeing his outnumbered shipmate being pummeled, one of Pickett’s colleagues—a teenager now known affectionately online as Black Aquaman—swam in to help; several others came to his aid once Harriott II tied up. At this point, the dynamic shifted and the ones who initially brutalized Pickett soon found themselves overpowered in an all-out brawl that appeared to be divided along racial lines.
Three of Pickett’s attackers—Richard Roberts, 48, Allen Todd, 23, and Zachary Shipman, 25— now have warrants out for their arrest for third-degree assault, Montgomery Police Chief Darryl Albert said Tuesday. Reggie Gray, a 42-year-old Black man seen walloping some of Pickett’s attackers with a folding chair, was also wanted for further questioning. While Albert said investigators did not find enough evidence to substantiate hate crime charges, Kittrell believes otherwise.
“The white guys that attacked my deckhand—and he was a senior deckhand first mate—I can’t think of any other reason they attacked him other than it being racially motivated,” Kittrell said. “All he did was move their boat up three feet. It makes no sense to have six people try to beat the snot out of you just because you moved their boat up a few feet. In my opinion, the attack on Damien was racially motivated.”
The rest of the fight, however, “was not Black and white,” according to Kittrell.
Maybe. But, then again, those people live in the local area and a closer, I presume, than either of us. We can only point out/to what they say in the media. Right, wrong, or indifferent. And, that is what the boat captain says about it. To be fair, the police have not come to such a conclusion and may not. But we are just commenting anyway about a case that is still new and unsettled right now.
Meanwhile in India rioters are blaming the followers of Guru Mahatmacoat for eating Guru Whoatemagoat's goat. There's no end to foolish wickedness, but that's an Irish joke for a deserving seed.
That Black guy in Alabama highly probably would have had a 'case' he does not have because he did not pull a gun. He might want to: 1. Get a lawyer. 2. File a lawsuit against the relevant parties. 3. Go on workman's comp, if needed. (He was tossed around and beat pretty hard.)
Some assholes looking for trouble jump a guy for doing his job. Too fucking bad Pickett didn't use a baseball bat on the dumbasses.
Albert confirmed witness accounts of the incident: that a group of white private boaters attacked a Black dockworker, Damien Pickett, as he attempted to move their pontoon to make way for the Harriott II Riverboat. The more than 200 passengers on the riverboat waited for at least 30 minutes as its captain and Pickett tried to get the group of rowdy boaters to move their watercraft. Several members of the private pontoon then attacked Pickett, Albert said.
There was a lot more to this brawl. After the riverboat docked a group of black passengers got off and attacked the white thugs. A bit of an ass kicking took place with the cops finally breaking it up.
It's a riverboat with upwards of 200 plus individuals onboard who highly probably have other 'arrangements' to connect to. . . thus, the riverboat needs its berth in a timely manner. Also, the story I posted stated:
Capt Jim Kittrell was trying to dock the Harriott II riverboat on Saturday when he was stopped by a pontoon boat parked where his vessel was meant to come in. After 45 minutes of waiting , he sent his deckhand Damian Pickett, who is Black, to shore to ask the pontoon boat’s owners, who are white, to move - but the request was not well received. Viral video captured the owners punching Mr Pickett before an all-out brawl ensued - largely along racial lines.
It is a lack of willingness to concede the field of discussion to the proper way of looking at the situation. I have offered to that commenter that riverboats have timely schedules to keep per on-loading and off-loading. And still, that commenter asks about non-relevant "social protests" which have no basis in the present brawl causes or after-effects.
Too much game; not enough consistency to the facts rendered.
Evidently the black dock worker moved the white guys pontoon boat to make room for a returning tourist boat. I guess the white dudes didnt like a black man touching their property.
There are other videos that show retaliation by a group of nearby black men. I didnt include any of them because they are somewhat sensationalistic in tone and not necessary to understand what started it.
Mmmmm....
Apparently you think that a group of blacks coming forward to defend one of their own is a mmmmmm.
Is that what happened? I wouldn't know since you think that they're
Nothing to say about the five or six white guys jumping a black dock worker? Why am I not surprised?
I got no problem with Black folks trying to help the dock worker who was only doing his job. Do you feel the same about the 7-11 workers in California defending their property.
Sure, maybe he shouldn't have moved their boat without checking with them first.
Maybe they shouldn't have resorted violence before using constructive forms of communication?
Yeah, probably most of their drunk asses are going to get some jail time. Do you think that the co-captain should have taken it upon himself to move the boat?
Yes. 'Moving' the boat a tad farther down the 'way' is minimal. Rather than having the boat impounded or whatever it is called. Also, do realize that the ferryboat and the people on the vessel have time constraints, schedules, and individual traveler appointments to manage and thus, somebody needed to act!
Moreover, let me mention the posted signs that may have been on-site there!
Can't do a hypothetical here. This is what it is, Texan! Oh and btw, I can not condone hitting people on the head with chairs. For one thing, in the WWE it's trained professionals who know how to stage a chair 'hit' and also how to receive it properly (for show effect). This is not the case here, people of certain ages have health issues and age issues. In fact, that black man was told to stand down by one of his fellow boaters and then officers proceeded to take him down, justifiably under arrest for his part in assaulting people with a dangerous object!
I stand with right (defense) not aggression.
In this case, can't and won't carry the same weight, because I don't have to respond to what you admit is a hypothetical suggestion that has no part in this. But, you do you.
Maybe, and we will never know at this point, because those are not the particulars of this incident. Why do you persist in hazarding hypotheticals?! From the movie, Frozen: "Let it go!"
You need to be checked! This is ridiculous. You obviously can not accept reasoning by liberals. This is simply too much reckless chattering all the time!
So if the problem was discussed in some form between the parties and nothing was resolved and in fact belligerence is shown. You think it's better to take matters into "your" own hands rather than involve some type of authority?
What are asking specifically? Because as written your question is overbroad! As it is the authorities, in this case, was the riverboat captain-at least as far as the deck-hand is concerned. As to the pontoon boat, when it was lightly nudged out of the way, the owner should have appreciated that it was not confiscated-which after this chaotic scene playing out it may have been detained already by the authorities.
The riverboat captain and his crew are private entities like the owner of the pontoon boat. I don't see how my question could be too broad as it pertains to this situation.
You know what I find funny is that the drunks whose private property was messed with, without their permission, are labeled racist (maybe deservedly). But the white riverboat captain that sent the one black guy to deal with the drunken rednecks is going viral....
I don't know any more than what is written in the media and can be reviewed. How about you? To that end, I don't know what the parties agreed to between themselves or not agreed to do. Nothing? Something? In-betweens?
The problem here is not taking matters into one's own hands as you put it; it was more a situation of finding a happy medium. That blew up in their faces.
The question afterwards, becomes where do we go from 'there'?
Yes, what's been reported on would be the extent of my knowledge as well, I wasn't there to witness it.
Based on video I would go with nothing to something.....
No the problem here is exactly taking matters into one's own hands if you can't find a happy medium instead of being able to handle it the proper way.
But, the "blow-out" did not occur until after the pontoon was lightly moved several feet so the riverboat could dock. The move was the happy medium. The parties should have been happy that all would have been well that ended well. That is, no one was harmed before the attack on dock-side.
In this end, the people on shore suffered more than the pontoon from this ordeal.
Right, which should indicate that a happy medium wasn't reached....
The happy medium action backfired: Twice. 1. A fight broke out. 2. Arrests, plural, are occurring. Yet, your tone is 'off' in addressing me about this. I am an innocent onlooker into this same as you. That is, no. dog. in. this. fight. or. aftermath!
The operative words are "happy medium." It was sought after and desired by the Captain/co-captain/dockworkers. Alas! It was not to be. Thus, the fall-out: A brawl and ongoing arrests.
Hitting women is sensationalistic, for sure.
So is trying to kick someone while they are laying on the ground
Why turn this ordinary brawl into some kind of racial crisis? It’s clear there was an actual dispute about boats, and this didn’t begin because someone was just going after a black guy. And at 0:36 of the second video, a white guy (who, by his vest, I’m guessing may work with the black guy) comes to help and gets punched for his trouble. Pretty weak race war.
Also, it wouldn’t do to portray black men as anything other peaceful, rational people.
By the way,
Did you see New York last week?
I dont think it has been described as a race war.
On sites like this we routinely see stories of black people violently doing this or that.
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This video shows that whites can be unnecessarily violent too. Its not much more or less than that.
It is interesting to watch all the objection to this point though.
I can’t think of any sane person who would dispute that. But if I seeded videos to showcase how violent black people can be, wouldn’t you think that was racist? That’s why people object. This could just be seen as a petty and embarrassing brawl - no racial justice concerns required. Possibly?
I think it’s more interesting to examine the racial angle of the reaction, especially from the mayor, who talks about civil rights, and about teaching his daughter to have her head on a swivel. That’s fine, by itself. I try to teach my own white kids the same thing. But it seems to me that he is assigning racist motivations on minimal evidence.
You think that five white drunks jumping on a black guy had no racial overtones? Thats interesting.
Nah, the fact that you think the races of the protagonists initially is worth noting but later not so much.... that's interesting.
Five white drunks would have been pissed off with anyone fucking with their boat FFS. Turn the tables and what do you think would have happened? "Thank you for moving our boat sir". Delusional
Who started the fight?
The guy who's boat had been fucked with... why? Do you think the dock worker started it?
And, I believe, as would five Black drunks - the issue was the alcohol, eight?
So why aren’t we talking about alcohol?
I suppose it might be interesting - if I had said that. But I didn’t.
I said that racist motivations were being assigned on minimal evidence. That means I concede that there is some evidence that it could have been racially motivated. But concluding that just from watching the video is not reasonable.
I think we all know the answer to that.
Incitement John - ya really need to quit trying to start wars.
Wonder why you didn't post any of the West Coast stuff - ya know - Blacks/whites burning Fed buildings, tearing up Mom'n'Pop businesses, tearing up/burning peoples private housing.
Could be 'cause??????
But, you can say that other Blacks who attempted to stop the tussle were somewhat sensationalistic in tone and not necessary to understand what started it.
Really going out on the limb this time - IMO.
Not to mention the 7-11 owners who are being shit on for defending their store.
Does Newstalkers suffer from a shortage of people who bring up black crime?
I havent seen that.
Given the amount of Black crime, there shouldn’t be a shortage of discussion unless you want to avoid it.
He seems to want to ignore it.
What racial categorizations do you want to make about the incident on the NY subway the other day?
I think this response is probably healthier
It was batshit crazy from end to end. Might as well embrace how insane it was.
Knew when I saw this story this morning you would jump on it. Don't condone this shit but do we know all the circumstances? And didn't want a black man touching their boat? You need help, stat.
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Just terrible brawling. I can see the dock worker's position as he had a job to do. That is, he has bosses. Also arrest warrant are issued and more could be coming. I reckon it will be gotten to the bottom of soon.
This likely has nothing to do with race. Anyone who has ever owned a boat and dealt with the plethora of drunk nimrods using docking facilities understands this.
Citified people who have never experienced such things wouldn’t understand.
Uh, the innocent dock workers was black and the drunk attackers were white. On that basis your comment makes no sense.
Also, it was in the news today that the white guys boat was docked improperly in that spot along the pier, which belonged to a tour boat that was out on the water.
My comments makes all the sense in the world. Certainly more than yours which is just grinding your usual race axe.
How much experience do you have around docks and loading ramps. I’ve been around them for over 40 years. My money is drunk assholes causing this problem. See it all the time. The fact they docked their boat in the wrong spot just helps to prove that out.
Once again, you are out of your depth John.
Way out ….
If you think you know so much why dont you address the facts of the case instead of what you wish were the facts of the case.
No one needs familiarity with a dock to understand what happened here.
Which simply illustrates your ignorance of the potential causality of this situation and yet you KNOW it was racially motivated.
Amazing!
You're implying it was racism, which there is no evidence of.
JR is not the only person expressing concerned that it was a racially-intoxicated incident:
Maybe. But, then again, those people live in the local area and a closer, I presume, than either of us. We can only point out/to what they say in the media. Right, wrong, or indifferent. And, that is what the boat captain says about it. To be fair, the police have not come to such a conclusion and may not. But we are just commenting anyway about a case that is still new and unsettled right now.
Meanwhile in India rioters are blaming the followers of Guru Mahatmacoat for eating Guru Whoatemagoat's goat. There's no end to foolish wickedness, but that's an Irish joke for a deserving seed.
Black guy should have pulled a gun and, "stood his ground".
Why do you assume he had a gun, because he is Black?
Where did I say that?
That Black guy in Alabama highly probably would have had a 'case' he does not have because he did not pull a gun. He might want to: 1. Get a lawyer. 2. File a lawsuit against the relevant parties. 3. Go on workman's comp, if needed. (He was tossed around and beat pretty hard.)
Some assholes looking for trouble jump a guy for doing his job. Too fucking bad Pickett didn't use a baseball bat on the dumbasses.
There was a lot more to this brawl. After the riverboat docked a group of black passengers got off and attacked the white thugs. A bit of an ass kicking took place with the cops finally breaking it up.
Waited thirty minutes to land? Wow. Speaks volumes.
It's a riverboat with upwards of 200 plus individuals onboard who highly probably have other 'arrangements' to connect to. . . thus, the riverboat needs its berth in a timely manner. Also, the story I posted stated:
None of that has is relevant! Please focus on the local issue. No conflation. No aboutism.
200 people on a tour boat should wait a half hour to dock because some drunk yahoos docked their boat in the wrong place?
You guys come up with the goofiest shit.
It is a lack of willingness to concede the field of discussion to the proper way of looking at the situation. I have offered to that commenter that riverboats have timely schedules to keep per on-loading and off-loading. And still, that commenter asks about non-relevant "social protests" which have no basis in the present brawl causes or after-effects.
Too much game; not enough consistency to the facts rendered.
Read it. Now you. Read. 1.1.16 again.
From the movie, Frozen: "Let it go!"
Never saw the movie, what was your big take away?