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Some people here dont want to see videos of Trump supporters at Trump rallies, saying they are not "news'. Or that maybe they are not representative of Trump supporters overall. I think there is a good chance that the people in these interviews are representative of Trump supporters overall for two main reasons, first because it is fair to assume that people who attend a candidates events in person are very strongly supportive of that candidate and that candidates beliefs and do represent the "core" of the candidates following , and secondly we know that a large percentage of Trump followers , at or not at the rallys, believe in conspiracy theories such as a malevolent "deep state" that is in cahoots with Chinese communists to destroy America. I have seen videos of voter "focus groups", where the people are ostensibly more on the ball than the rally goers who are interviewed, but where these so called more normal people still express conspiracy theories.
People who dont like seeing videos of Trump supporters making utter fools of themselves are free to look elsewhere on NT for something to see or read.
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People at a Trump rally can fairly be described in general as "extreme MAGA". They are a threat to the sanity of this country.
Selectively curated and edited videos by left wing interest groups to mock their opponents. This isn’t news, it’s propaganda
Yup!!
see comment 4
Of course this is selected, but it illustrates the delusion that poorly informed, confirmation-bias driven people can manifest.
I have talked with many Trump supporters in real life (friends and family) and the lack of specifics and conspiracy theories expressed here are what I hear. I will say though that I do not think any of my contacts would credit Trump with "never lying", but most of this rang true.
The key factor underlying blind Trump support is this delusion that Trump was responsible for the economy of his first three years and that electing him will bring back "the good times".
The electorate is largely ill-informed with superficial and limited information, and is prone to group-think (adopting what "trusted sources" merely claim). This is, IMO, the main reason we have such crappy politicians across the board.
Until the Trump phenomena, I did not understand how acute this problem really is.
Of course it is true. I have a nephew, 50 years old now, who has been a Chicago fireman for 20 years and was a Chicago cop for 6 years before that. He has 5 great kids, smart and polite. His wife teaches gifted kids in a CPS grammar school. He is in a sense a pillar of the community.
And yet he believes and spreads on his facebook numerous MAGA conspiracy theories. He will not call Trump a liar.
Arguing that people at his rallies are not representative of all his followers may be partially true, but the other part, a large part is that they are entirely representative of his supporters.
Reminds me of a job interview I had several years ago. We liked each other, had the same interests, studied under the same mentor, and the mentor promoted me for the position. Everything went great, until he asked me the one question, "will you tell me I'm wrong if you see things differently?" I said yes. The interview took a sour turn, and I realized, then, he didn't want a thinker, he wanted a yes man.
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You do realize that depending on the agenda of the "producer" of these videos you choose to display, have the cherry picked WORST commentary representing Trump due to said agenda.........
Okay then, where are all the videos of Trump and his MAGA hats ever being honest, intelligent, thoughtful, kind or even understanding?
You won't find them. As said, these are the cherry picked worst examples to fit an agenda. Where are ANY talking about how great Biden is?
No, we cannot find them because they do not exist! There is no video evidence anywhere of Trump or his followers ever being honest, intelligent, thoughtful or understanding...
Because just like here at NT, very few can say positive things about Mr. Biden nor, it seems, want to talk about him at all. Other than stupid memes that are filled with untruths posted by "some", how many positive articles are seeded? How many positive comments are posted? Mr. Biden, and his brain it seems, is toast. It shows that people voted against Trump, and CERTAINLY not FOR Biden. And they are waking up to the error of their ways. If he ultimately runs, it may be against a brick wall and lose
If anyone said anything good about Trump you would just say they are not being honest, intelligent, thoughtful or understanding so why bother?
Here, the honesty from Trump supporters usually boils down to: "I do not like Trump, but I like his policies". And with that, they have justified in their minds voting for this miserable character who is the only PotUS in our history who has tried to steal a US election through coercion, fraud, lying, suborning his VP to commit an unconstitutional act, and inciting supporters — merely because his ego could not face losing. They will vote for this narcissistic, lying asshole because "they like his policies" regardless of the fact that he demonstrably will throw the CotUS and the nation under the bus if it benefits him.
Given all we now know of Trump, do you blame people for refusing to allow that miserable human being access to the most powerful office on the planet?
Many of them could not explain his policies in the slightest detail even if their lives depended on it.
It is sad that after they look at the good, the bad and the baggage of Trump that they still decide they could vote for him because the Dems refuse (or are unable) to give them a better choice.
Getting Trump out of office was Biden's single best accomplishment.
My hope for Biden in 2020 was that he would have the good sense to just ride out a single term and give the D party a chance to produce a stronger candidate for 2024. I was hoping he would just deal with the vaccinations (he did) and not attempt any new initiatives (e.g. multi-trillion spending, paying off student loans, etc.). That was a disappointment along with other missteps like the Afghanistan withdrawal. I am also very disappointed with the lack of concern for our illegal immigration problem.
In that regard, I am not pleased.
However, the economy is okay. It is not spectacular, but inflation (largely stemming from the pandemic) is waning. The US response to the Ukraine situation is correct, strategically. I would, as always, want more support from other nations but the USA always seems to carry the biggest burden.
I am quite in favor of a continued push towards renewables and the respect for the findings of climate change science.
I am in agreement with the USA posturing as a diplomatic partner rather than coming off as arrogant and unhinged.
And, ultimately, Biden does care about this nation and is not using the presidency as a personal glorification as did Trump.
In short, I see Biden's opposition as being largely hyperbolic and grossly unfair. They portray him as a doddering incoherent fool who cannot tie his own shoes and drinks warm milk from a sippy cup before bed. He is indeed frail and waaaay too old to be PotUS (Trump is waaaay too old too), he routinely embellishes reality well beyond acceptable bounds, and he is too influenced by the more radical elements of the D party (e.g. the border), but if the choice is between him and Trump, there is no choice.
I will never vote for Trump.
So, still no video of Trump acting decently?
What is sad is that anyone would consider voting for Trump under any circumstances.
If anyone said anything good about Trump you would just say they are not being honest, intelligent, thoughtful or understanding so why bother?
Seems different things make different people sad.
I suspect every functioning mind on the planet understands that, just like we all understand that we need oxygen to survive.
What point are you making?
Maybe that different people think differently and generally speaking calling them things like unpatriotic, non functioning mind, brain dead, deplorable, mouth breathers, LWNJ, RWNJ, etc is in no way constructive.
Some ask "how can you know that most of the people at a Trump rally are abnormal?"
The answer to that is that normal people would not be caught dead at a Trump rally.
and this video represents the rationale of every Obama voter…
The "original" Obamaphone lady. Wow.
You just keep that bullshit near and dear to your heart.
In a digital age when land line phones were becoming obsolete , the government came to the conclusion that every citizen should have a mobile phone. The distribution of these phones is no different than any other government sponsored program.
You missed the point.
And you made a false point to vilify those whom you oppose politically - a divisive and not especially honest comment. I voted for Obama twice. I don't have a Wilson phone, nor do I want a handout.
Yet you don't criticize John for posting an entire seed doing that. Color me shocked.
No shit. Did you ever think the voters John singles out don't represent every Trump voter?
I don't live online. Had a busy day, working instead of asking for handouts, as you accused me of doing.
If you're referring to this seed, you DO recognize that Trump voters vs people who attend Trump rallies are likely very different from each other, yes? Some may be voting against Biden rather than for Trump. Those folks are unlikely to attend rallies. So your accusation isn't true, either regarding John's seed, nor regarding Obama voters.
Did you ever read John's words differentiating between Trump voters in general and Trump rally attendees?
Trump rally goers embrace his nonsense and his bizarre conspiracy theories. Trump voters, by and large, embrace his nonsense and his bizarre conspiracy theories.
I understand your desire to separate the rally goers from the Trump rank and file, but I think you have an uphill climb based on observations we can all make and what is known from surveying Trump supporters in and out of the rallies.
Trump voters writ large are different from the rally goers. They dress better and can speak better and likely have better jobs.
But both appreciate Trumps constant nonsense and both embrace conspiracy theories. They are not by any stretch of the imagination completely different.
I said at the top that no normal person would be caught dead at a Trump rally, and I totally mean it. Last night Trump riffed on what a better body he has than Joe Biden and the audience cheered and laughed. What kind of idiot do you have to be to not only think Trump has a good body and to think that such a comment is at all worthy of a presidential campaign? Such things are not an outlier at a Trump rally , they are all of the content.
Lol. why don't you ask John that? He thinks they are a fair representation.
id you ever read John's words differentiating between Trump voters in general and Trump rally attendees?
You obviously didn't, ,because John said the exact opposite.
Why would a "normal" person attend a Trump rally? Are they masochists?
You are the one claiming that the videos dont accurately represent Trump rally goers, and are misleadingly cherry picked.
The truth is that a normal person, even one who intends to vote for Trump, wouldnt be caught dead at a Trump rally, why would they?
Therefore the videos do represent all, or most of Trump rally goers. We all know this is true, so why all the denial?
"Voters" aren't synonymous with "supporters".
I think Biden shouldn't run. I don't support him. But I'll vote for him if Trump is the GOP nominee.
Nope. I'm opposing Trump, which is not the same thing. If the GOP would effectively get rid of its stupider members of Congress and put forth a good POTUS candidate, I'd vote for that candidate over Biden. I'd have voted for McCain over Obama, had Sarah Palin not been his running mate. I didn't support Obama, but voted for him, to oppose Palin and those who foisted her upon us.
Do you really think I'd vote for Trump to avoid having Harris in office? Be serious, Texan.
With Obama vs. McCain, it was a somewhat tough choice for me, UNTIL McCain chose Palin as his running mate. I thought both were intelligent, honorable men who would do their best to lead the country well.
But Biden vs. Trump? Not the same situation at all. Trump has shown us that he is neither intelligent nor honorable, and looks out primarily for himself.
You're trying to point out an inconsistency that doesn't exist.
Palin was a tie-breaker in favor of Obama for my vote.
When Biden and Trump compete for my vote, there's nothing resembling a tie.
Nope. See #5.2.15. Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. Any more than voting against Palin for VP when there were nearly equally-good upticket candidates is the same as voting against the much worse upticket candidate when both VP candidates sucked - I mean, you didn't really expect me not to vote against Mike Pence, did you?
I'm going to consider that that comment comes from someone who actually thinks voting against Palin in 2008 when there were 2 quality POTUS candidates somehow means I should have voted for a man who bragged about committing sexual assault, bankrupted people who worked for him by refusing to pay them, shared intelligence secrets with those not authorized to have that information, massively flubbed a pandemic response, and so forth, and value that comment accordingly.
Not directly, no. You have your plausible deniability.
But everyone with a brain knows that the alternative to
would have been voting for Trump. You know, the other major ticket in that election. Or voting 3rd party, which would have aided Trump.
Bully for you.
In the real world, there are often no candidates I really want to win, but there are candidates I want to lose more than others. I vote against those candidates.
I'll give your opinion of my right to an opinion all the consideration it's due.
What's ironic here is that the free phone program was started by Raygun and was expanded under GWB to include cell phones.
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Good call, we let ourselves be distracted all weekend by events in the ME. It's time to get back the real NT business.
Exactly! Because getting Trump reelected is what it is really all about. Oddly though, most of the professional Trump defenders we see on American social media claim they never have and never will ever vote for Trump. Which makes us wonder if they are foreigners or convicts...
Getting into some conspiracy theory, JBB? Are many convicts Trump supporters?
Or paid trolls.
Have you ever or could you ever vote for Trump?
Real Americans would not always blame our President first and foremost when Putin invaded Ukraine or Hamas attacks Israel like most of your far rightwing trolls on social media plainly do...
You believe in a conspiracy in which trump pays people to go on social media and tell people they didn’t vote for him?
lol.
As in trying to create hostility by posting inflammatory memes instead of focused discussion?
Yes, some deadenders at the DOD leftover from the Trump administration have bragged here they are still being paid to stay at home and troll liberals on online social media sites. Divisiveness and misinformation are their obvious intent...
No and no.
I don't have a gang of far rightwing trolls, paid or otherwise.
Have no idea where you pulled that thought out of. Trump generally doesn't pay for anything. That's what PAC's, Putin, and Xi are for.
And a crack smoking douchebag pays for the Big Guy, are you just figuring out corruption exists? or do you only care if it is on the other side of the aisle?
Haven't heard that one, but okey dokey. Deflection to Biden noted.
This surprises nobody.
Two words......Classified documents
do you not understand the words you use or the words you respond to?
Yes, you know, more designed to provoke rather than inform.
The Dem dummies continue to run away from the reality that Joe has zero chance to win another term. Even the hated Trump can beat him this time around. Time is running out to find a suitable successor to Biden.
Hopefully they don’t put Hillary in charge of getting him to step down, the poor old guy needs to be able to retire to a nice Alzheimer’s facility out of the public eye. He’s earned it.
Zero chance? Where do you get your information?
I agree, however, that the D party should be actively talking Biden out of running, planning a graceful exit, and recruiting a solid candidate.
Do you have a point?
I have stated that I will vote for Biden IF Trump is the GOP nominee (and has a chance to win).
Now, what specifically is your point?
Then Texan is correct.
You will vote for Biden, ergo, you are going to vote for 4 more years of failure.
Thanks
IF Trump is the GOP nominee (and has a chance to win) I will vote for Biden. My vote for Biden will be a vote against Trump because of the failure of the GOP and its members (like you) to detach from Trump and thus allow him to be your nominee.
See? Your refusal to detach from Trump is causing people like me to vote against the GOP nominee.
The failure is yours.
Why engage in the slimy practice of ignoring my qualification when I stated it twice?
What purpose do you think you serve with intellectual dishonesty?
Do you comprehend that my vote for Biden is conditional? For example, if by some event of outrageous fortune, Trump drops out of the race and the GOP nominates Haley, I will vote for Haley. If Trump is the nominee but there is no reasonable chance that he can win, I will likely vote for who I want (and that will almost certainly not be Biden).
Your over-simplification is intellectually dishonest.
Slow your roll, "trolling" deletions ahead.
The sort of babbling you engage in all the time is definitely trolling. If perrie disagrees she can reinstate your deleted comments.
I am without a doubt voting against Trump. If Trump is the nominee then that is due to the failure of those in the GOP who refused to detach from Trump and thus enabled him. Like you as clearly shown by your comment history.
If Trump is the nominee and has a chance to win, I will vote for Biden since that is the best way to use my vote against Trump.
If Trump is not the nominee and instead Haley is the nominee, I will vote for Haley.
If Trump is the nominee but has no realistic chance to win, I will vote for the individual I prefer to see as PotUS (and that will not be Biden).
There are other conditions too (e.g. replacing Harris with Walz or equivalent) that will affect my vote.
There is nothing to amend. You omitted my qualifications. Do not do that because it changes the meaning.
Cease your intellectual dishonesty and you will not get called out for it.
Learn to engage in debate honestly.
You really want to publicly play this obtuseness game? You really think readers cannot see how you are ignoring what I write and sticking with only one of my possible scenarios?
My qualifications DETERMINE who I will vote for.
Qualifications are conditions that are evaluated based upon the facts at the time. We do not yet know exactly what our options are so until then all I can state is how I would vote based on several scenarios. And I have already spelled this out for you in very simple terms, so you have no excuse.
If it is Trump vs. Biden and Trump has a chance to win, I vote Biden.
Any variation from the above impacts my vote which means I might vote for the R or the D or another. It depends.
So how many jobs were added by trump and how many by biden so far?
It's a pretty simple question...
So how many jobs were added by trump and how many by biden so far?
So you have no idea. Got it, good talk.
Isn’t the job market fueling inflation?
I'm surprised that they found trump supporters that could be interviewed...I mean, only top of the line models can even speak.