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The End Of American Patriotism

  
By:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  57 comments


The End Of American Patriotism
Generations of Americans were taught that George Washington could not tell a lie. Now we have the same people who hold "1776" sacred , as the basis for American patriotism, supporting a man who cannot tell the truth.

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"USA USA USA"

A chant often heard at Trump rallies.

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A new NYT poll

Cross-Tabs: October 2023 Times/Siena Poll of the 2024 Battlegrounds - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

indicates that just about 40% of voters across six swing states would vote for Trump in 2024 even if he is convicted of felonies and sentenced to prison. 

An article today in the Washington Post details Trump's plans, should he win in 2024, to use the military against civil protesters, and to have his political detractors such as Bill Barr and Mark Milley arrested. 

Trump and allies plot revenge, Justice Department control in a second term (msn.com)

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When we are talking about 40% of people saying they will vote for a convicted felon for president we are in a nightmare land, especially given what he is likely to be convicted of - misusing government secrets, tampering with elections, and attempting a coup against his own government. 

In addition, Trump is a known and proven bully, pathological liar , fraud, and sexual molester, none of which are qualities previously associated in a positive way with the American way of life. Generations of Americans were taught that George Washington could not tell a lie. Now we have the same people who hold "1776" sacred , as the basis for American patriotism, supporting a man who cannot tell the truth.

If Trump had been around in 1776 he would have been secretly negotiating with England about how he could secure prime Manhattan real estate after the revolution was put down. He would have pledged financial assistance to the beleaguered  American army at Valley Forge, and never delivered. 

Trump is the least patriotic US president we have ever seen, because he always puts himself above the country. Look no farther than his conversations with writer Bob Woodward where Trump said he was going to downplay the seriousness of the covid pandemic, the obvious implication being that the truth would be bad for his re-election prospects. 

Patriotism as we have always known it also includes ethical conduct, but Trump is the most unethical major public figure anyone alive today has ever seen. 

So why do Trump rally goers consider him to be patriotic, and claim to be for him because they are patriotic?

This has to do with people who reject the 21st century. They want to go back to a time when white males ran the country, and the world. We can see this in the faces of the small town women who gaze adoringly at Trump and tell everyone how much they "love" him. He is the alpha male, the mad dog, the "boss" who rules over his empire, and his admirers approve of all that as long as they see Trump as being THEIR leader, the one who will keep them on top or put them back on top. 

Patriotism, as we have known it for centuries, is gone. You cannot be for the "American experiment" and the traditional "American way of life" and at the same time be for Donald Trump. 

We will be lucky if patriotism is not permanently destroyed before all this is over. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Everyone is welcome to comment on the article, but all non responsive and trolling comments WILL be removed. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

 I guess that’s one way to spin a poll that shows how toxic  and unpopular joe Biden is.  Democrats, the party who despises America now claims it’s unpatriotic to with hold support from  the racist party who believes it must be fundamentally transformed. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 years ago

Trumpsters and MAGA's claiming to be patriotic make a mockery of the topic. 

 
 
 
George
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2.1.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 years ago

The party that tried to destroy the Union to keep their slaves calling anybody unpatriotic is a mockery of the topic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  George @2.1.1    3 years ago

Only idiots and ignoramuses associate the Democratic Party of the 19th century with the Democratic Party of today. 

 
 
 
George
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2.1.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago

Why, their platform is the same? based on racism and thinking minorities are somehow inferior, now instead of exploiting them for labor they exploit them for votes, but the result is the same, they exploit them for power.

 
 
 
Wishful_thinkin
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2.1.4  Wishful_thinkin  replied to  George @2.1.3    3 years ago

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Greg Jones
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2.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago
"Only idiots and ignoramuses associate the Democratic Party of the 19th century with the Democratic Party of today." 
The Democrat party today is much worse than at any time in history. They stand for all the wrong things. They can't even muzzle or censure racist anti-Semites like Tlaib, while supporting open borders that potentially allow terrorists into our country.
Oh My: NYT Polling in Key Battlegrounds Seeding Panic Among Democrats (townhall.com)
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afrayedknot
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2.1.6  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 years ago

“…to be patriotic…”

It is so far removed from being ‘patriotic’ and has sadly devolved into patronization.

Tell me what you want to know to be true, regardless of incontrovertible facts to disprove it and I’ll say it. Tell me how your beliefs, regardless of how divisive they may be are driving your vote and l’ll believe it. Tell me whatever you want, regardless of how fearful and ignorant the premise and I’ll tell you how to think.

And in these surreal, dysfunctional, and dystopian times, it seems to be our new normal. Unfortunately unfathomable

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.7  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago
Only idiots and ignoramuses associate the Democratic Party of the 19th century with the Democratic Party of today. 

Really? I hope these Democrat politicians are "today" enough in showing how racist they are:

  • Hillary's Accent Evolution, 1983-2015:
  • Obama, 2008 - calls his white grandmother "a typical white person"
  • Joe Biden, 2009 - Obama is the first "sorta clean" African American:

  • Hillary Clinton hot sauce, 2017:

  • Joe Biden, 2020 - Charlemagne interview - If you vote for Trump instead of me, you ain't black:

 
 
 
George
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2.1.8  George  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.7    3 years ago

Joe Biden on African American women,

Social workers help parents deal with how to raise their children. It’s not like they don’t want to help, they don’t know what to do. 

Thank you Joe for telling us that African American women don't know how to raise their own children. Moron.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  George @2.1.8    3 years ago

As a US senator in the 1970s, Biden was also against school busing integration. Kamala even brought that up in the 2020 Dem debate.

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In the 1970s, then-Sen. Joe Biden was a vocal   opponent   of busing as a means for desegregating public schools. And that record haunts him in his bid to secure the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.  "Former V rating-correctly-attributed.png ice President Joe Biden is facing increased scrutiny over his record on busing and racial issues, and this week old comments resurfaced in which he said, in 1977, that busing for the purpose of desegregation would cause his children to 'grow up in a racial jungle.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.10  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.7    3 years ago

None of that shows that anyone is racist. 

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.11  CB  replied to  George @2.1.3    3 years ago

Wow. That was said 'back in the day too.' It seems "minorities" (and you know which ones I am referring) can't catch a break in the 21st century anymore than the 18th century.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.12  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 years ago
None of that shows that anyone is racist. 

It seems that you and I have vastly different definitions and views of racism.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.13  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    3 years ago
Democratic Party of the 19th century with the Democratic Party of today

No difference. Both are parties of racists.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 years ago

Exactly, I remember the anti-busing protests in the very blue city of Boston in blue Massachusetts.

The racial segregation there was reinforced by the Boston School Committee’s districting decisions.  Schools in Black neighborhoods were badly underfunded, under-equipped, and understaffed.
But none of this was due to Dem racism, those Southies just liked their neighborhood schools.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.15  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.1.14    3 years ago

No one says there are not Democratic racists. But the claim that the Democrats are the party of racism is ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.15    3 years ago
No one says there are not Democratic racists.

Please, there aren’t by common definition here.  Bill Russell described the city as a "flea market of racism” in the 70’s, he was greatly mistaken.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.1.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.15    3 years ago

Boston has a race and sports problem. But it’s hardly alone among ‘liberal’ cities

No way, big mistake.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.18  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 years ago

And it's reaching to go that far back. People do change their attitudes. Well...some do...others not so much

 
 
 
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3  independent Liberal    3 years ago

This aberration we call Trump exists because Republicans and Democrats are incapable of finding reasonable candidates with reasonable policies that appeal across party lines. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  independent Liberal @3    3 years ago

The fringes have taken over the parties.  The word compromise has no meaning for those in the extreme. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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3.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1    3 years ago
The fringes have taken over the parties.

The scary part is that their numbers are not that large ... but they are seemingly able to control the House. One controlled an aspect of the Senate .. but they could have bypassed him at any time.

The word compromise has no meaning for those in the extreme. 

I do not think compromise means anything to the whole of congress .. Bipartisanship can mean that one (R) or one (D) broke from their party and did their job.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  independent Liberal @3    3 years ago

Amen, Brother!

 
 
 
CB
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3.3  CB  replied to  independent Liberal @3    3 years ago

The way I see it is what you are describing is COMPROMISE between two entities or more. Republican conservatives want to "takeover" the whole of government and subsequently BLOT OUT democratic values wholesale. Choosing Trump again, and individual known to be ferociously uncompromising, and a Speaker of the House who is so FAR RIGHT that his bible "squeaks" when he talks is evident of the republican party lack of respect for "Other." Democrats are working hard to win over the country to accepting what it is: A diverse country full of individuals who want inclusion, equality/equity due to lapses in the past, and diversity. To that end, democrats are not far off the mark! 

Of course, fairness to all means investments in all. And republicans don't want or like and damn sure do not respect the essentialness of treating all its citizens fairly. Thus, there is this constant pitting of different groups and its perceived weaknesses against another set of groups and their perceived strengths.

As we all know it is damn near impossible to perform a hand-clap or handclasp with only one hand! But most republicans/conservatives won't do either with democrats because of who is running their party and in charge of the house right now.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  CB @3.3    3 years ago
re. Republican conservatives want to "takeover" the whole of government and subsequently BLOT OUT democratic values wholesal

Right, as opposed to Democrats, who want Republicans to control various branches of government for fairness, right? Democrats aren't even contesting elections in the House to ensure they don't "take over" control, right?

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3.3  goose is back  replied to  CB @3.3    3 years ago
BLOT OUT democratic values wholesale

What exactly are the values of the Democrats?

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.4  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.1    3 years ago

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CB
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3.3.5  CB  replied to  goose is back @3.3.3    3 years ago

The values some conservatives call "exactly worthless' in general. I will not detail them, because we all have been talking about them for years and they are in the news on a regular basis. "Bone up" at your leisure.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.6  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.2    3 years ago

I've made my point plainly. When you can point out the party platform of the Republican Party that is for inclusion, equality/equity, and diversity do so. Otherwise. . . .

 
 
 
George
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3.3.7  George  replied to  goose is back @3.3.3    3 years ago
What exactly are the values of the Democrats?

Lately racism and antisemitism lead the way. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3.8  goose is back  replied to  CB @3.3.5    3 years ago
I will not detail them, because we all have been talking about them for years

The only thing I seem to hear from Democrats is:

They want a ceasefire, open borders, boys in girls bathrooms and locker rooms, white supremacy is everywhere, there was an insurrection on Jan 6th, Trump is the reason for all evil ever on the earth.  Did I miss anything?  

 
 
 
George
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3.3.9  George  replied to  goose is back @3.3.8    3 years ago
Did I miss anything? 

And it is the republicans fault that we voted with an idiot like Matt Gaetz to remove the speaker of the house.

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3.11  goose is back  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.10    3 years ago
No, I think you nailed it.

Forgot one thing, health of the mother, not so much for the fetus!

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.12  CB  replied to  goose is back @3.3.8    3 years ago

You didn't miss those republican talking points.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.13  CB  replied to  goose is back @3.3.11    3 years ago

The "vagina" squad has been "activated"! As if. . .some conservatives don't have enough to do managing all those conservative vaginas. . . .

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.3.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @3.3.13    3 years ago

You understand the difference between a “vagina” and a uterus?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.15  bugsy  replied to  CB @3.3    3 years ago
Republican conservatives want to "takeover" the whole of government and subsequently BLOT OUT democratic values wholesale.

A very noble mission all good Americans should partake in.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.16  CB  replied to  bugsy @3.3.15    3 years ago

It is not noble to expect a group of good Americans to serve conservatives when they are not conservatives. Why not? It's pretty oppressive. Well, you know, FREEDOM.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.3.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @3.3.16    3 years ago

Huh?

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3.19  goose is back  replied to  CB @3.3.12    3 years ago
You didn't miss those republican talking points.

Oh please, show me ONE of this points that is not pushed by the Democrats nonstop. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3.20  goose is back  replied to  CB @3.3.13    3 years ago
The "vagina" squad has been "activated"!

WTF are you talking about. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.22  CB  replied to  goose is back @3.3.19    3 years ago

I don't "do" republican-think - you do. 

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.23  CB  replied to  goose is back @3.3.20    3 years ago

What do you think.

 
 
 
goose is back
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3.3.24  goose is back  replied to  CB @3.3.23    3 years ago
What do you think.

You made the comment you explain it!!!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.3.25  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @3.3.6    3 years ago
When you can point out the party platform of the Republican Party that is for inclusion, equality/equity, and diversity do so.

Um...it's in that closet somewhere....

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.26  bugsy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.3.17    3 years ago
Huh?

Yea my thought too...

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.27  CB  replied to  bugsy @3.3.26    3 years ago

Huh?

 
 
 
CB
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4  CB    3 years ago

Texan, it's not strange at all when its: ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fimages%2F7c545cd4d0bfc4ec6fe99c5be34aebbf%2Ftenor.gif%3Fitemid%3D17430056&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=2743ea8fcdc8031eaaf181d8047313b830bc5f97e8455406d247bb41b5b897a6&ipo=images .  Damn! We need this FOOL to die already!!!

Like Jason, some conservatives are an invading species with "abilities" that though small and shrinking still manages to make itself bigger than life!

 
 

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