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The Economist’s ‘World Ahead’ Guide Declares Donald Trump The Biggest Global Threat In 2024

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 years ago  •  83 comments


The Economist’s ‘World Ahead’ Guide Declares Donald Trump The Biggest Global Threat In 2024
A second Trump term would be a watershed in a way the first was not. Victory would confirm his most destructive instincts about power. His plans would encounter less resistance. And because America will have voted him in while knowing the worst, its moral authority would decline. The election will be decided by tens of thousands of voters in just a handful of states. In 2024 the fate of the world will depend on their ballots.

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T he biggest danger the world faces in 2024 is if former President Donald Trump is elected to a second term,  according to   The Economist’s  guide to  The World Ahead .

In the 38 years since the predictive guide was first published, “no single person has ever eclipsed our analysis as much as Donald Trump eclipses 2024,” the article begins. It goes on to ponder what a Trump   victory would mean   for the world and claims that parliaments and boardrooms the world over are filled with “despair” at what may come:


A second Trump term would be a watershed in a way the first was not. Victory would confirm his most destructive instincts about power. His plans would encounter less resistance. And because America will have voted him in while knowing the worst, its moral authority would decline. The election will be decided by tens of thousands of voters in just a handful of states. In 2024 the fate of the world will depend on their ballots.

Trump would move his MAGA Republican allies into “the most important positions” in government, the article predicts, and Trump would be “unbound in his pursuit of retribution, economic protectionism and theatrically extravagant deals.”

The article posits that a Trump win would signal to China that American democracy is “dysfunctional,” and could give the communist nation the incentive to invade its island neighbor, Taiwan. In addition, the article predicts that Trump’s desire to quickly end the war in Ukraine would give   Vladimir Putin   the impetus to take over other neighboring countries like Moldova and the Baltic states.


The guide’s look ahead to 2023, was more optimistic about the presidential elections.

“Whoever ends up dispatching Donald Trump, at long last, will determine that future,”   wrote columnist   James Bennet.   “Will it be a primary opponent? Or, in the general election of 2024, will it be President   Joe Biden,   or a Democrat representing a new direction for the party?”

But this year’s article resigns itself to the possibility that no one will end up “dispatching” Trump.

“That a Trump victory next November is a coin-toss probability is beginning to sink in,” the article concedes.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago

The fact that a respected international publication 

The  editorial stance of   The Economist  primarily revolves around  classical ,  social , and most notably  economic liberalism . It has supported  radical centrism  as the concept became established in the late 20th century, favouring policies and governments that maintain  centrist politics . The newspaper typically champions economic liberalism, particularly  free markets ,  free trade ,  free immigration ,  deregulation , and  globalisation . Despite a pronounced editorial stance, it is seen as having little reporting bias, and as exercising rigorous fact-checking and strict copyediting.

has named a single American political figure as the greatest threat to the world next year should, in a sane world, stop everyone in their tracks. Unfortunately , too many are excited by the idea. 

 
 
 
TOM PA
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2  TOM PA    3 years ago

The problem is that John and Mary Citizen will not see this article.  Think about how many people read the ECONOMIST.  

30% will pass it off as "fake news", left wing propaganda or discount it because of the source.  More than likely it will be "poo-pooed" on the sources they listen to and have faith in.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TOM PA @2    3 years ago

I brought this up not because The Economist has a mass audience, but because it has a reputation for being centrist and fact oriented. 

As Trump seemingly keeps his support, less than a year away from the election, means this is not the time to let up. 

And because America will have voted him in while knowing the worst, its moral authority would decline. 

If he is voted in, it will be despite America knowing the worst. If thats not the end of our country as we have known it, I dont know what would be. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    3 years ago
I brought this up not because The Economist has a mass audience, but because it has a reputation for being centrist and fact oriented. 

Predictive is not really fact based.  It is trying to tell the future which I am pretty sure is impossible. Just like most weather forecasts  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  TOM PA @2    3 years ago
The problem is that John and Mary Citizen will not see this article.  Think about how many people read the ECONOMIST.  

Fair point.

30% will pass it off as "fake news",

It's not actually news at all.  It's merely a prediction.  It's somebody's opinion about something.  It's as valid as a prediction about who's going to win the Super Bowl.

It's also overly pessimistic, IMO, and ignores the Constitutional limits on various offices that have protected us so well for over two centuries.  

 
 
 
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2.3  Krishna  replied to  TOM PA @2    3 years ago
The problem is that John and Mary Citizen will not see this article.  Think about how many people read the ECONOMIST.   30% will pass it off as "fake news", left wing propaganda or discount it because of the source.  More than likely it will be "poo-pooed" on the sources they listen to and have faith in.  

My feeling on the subject is that some people will see it, some won't.

Of the people who see it, some will read it, some won't.

Of those that read it, some will be influenced by it, some won't.

But some will. (What's the alternative-- never post anything because you can always come up with reasons why it may not work?)

 
 
 
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What?  No predictions about him crashing the economy and the stock market?  No prediction about him getting us into World War 3 that he starts?  No predictions about him standing his political enemies (and anybody who laughs at him) in front of a firing squad?

Seems to be a rather weak repeat of 2016.  And here I thought The Economist could do better...

(and for those who cannot tell, yes this is sarcasm)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @3    3 years ago

As bad as he was in 2016, Trump is much worse now. He was a buffoon , and idiot, a racist, and a pathological liar in 2016. Now he is all that plus unhinged, delusional, irrational, and threatening to turn the presidency into a sort of dictatorship if he is put back in office. 

Yesterday I saw three articles , none of them from "liberals", which all said now is the time to start referring to Trump as a fascist. 

The country is filled with apathy. 

How often do you see or hear what Trump is actually saying?  Has America really normalized this insanity? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago
now is the time to start referring to Trump as a fascist. 

"Fascist" is the new "racist".  Overused to the point of being meaningless.  Joe is trying to label everyone that doesn't buy his shit a threat to democracy.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    3 years ago

I don't pay that much attention to Trump and I definitely don't hang on every word he utters.  But the term fascist has been as overused as racist, let me know when they bring back the term Nazi.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.2    3 years ago

Trump said something like (and I will get the exact quote if you like) "I am going to rid our country of all the communists, socialists, Marxists and far left radicals, who exist like vermin". 

Communism, socialism and marxism are NOT a major problem in our country, but Trump's cult is so brainwashed they think these "threats" are around every corner. 

He talks, regularly, like a wannabe dictator. You all sit around with blindfolds over your eyes and cotton in your ears. 

 
 
 
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3.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    3 years ago
Trump said something like (and I will get the exact quote if you like) "I am going to rid our country of all the communists, socialists, Marxists and far left radicals, who exist like vermin". 

BFD...  Trump has always been a bombastic asshole.  His rhetoric during the campaign cycles has always been over the top.  How many times did he go like this in his 2016 run and how much of his campaign promises like this were actually carried out.  

You keep beating that drum and maybe you'll get a sheep or two to follow you.  In the meantime I think it's time for another $20 donation to Nikki Haley.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.4    3 years ago
Trump has always been a bombastic asshole.

He's a lot more, and worse, than that, for example he's a known traitor. 

But lets say he's just a bombastic asshole who will say anything to promote himself. Is that your image of a US president?

I must have read too much history. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.6  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    3 years ago

Show me a present day politician who doesn't say anything to promote themselves.  What about presidents who were aggressively imperialistic?  Were they any better?  What about our congressmen who come into office as regular people and leave office as multi-millionaires?

I don't want Trump as the next GOP nominee but I'm only one vote and as such have a very small voice into who eventually gets to sit in the Oval Office.  But your bias against Trump prevents you from looking at the larger picture.  This conversation all started because I had to laugh at the current "predictions" around should Trump gain the office a second time and to me it's really no different than the predictions that were used in the 2016 election.  This is what modern politics has gone to, fear mongering instead of mud slinging.  How I wish we could go back to actually discussing what the various candidates would actually do to make the lives of the citizens better, but that's not how you win elections.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. You gather a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family and American values and character. And wave an old photo of the President's girlfriend and you scream about patriotism and you tell them, she's to blame for their lot in life, and you go on television and you call her a whore. 

The American President (1995) - Quotes - IMDb

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    3 years ago
Is that your image of a US president?

My image of a president is someone that implements policies that are in the best interest in US citizens and and does not spend most of his time bowing to far left lunacy or trying to blame his inadequacies on anyone but him or his dumb ass policies. 

 
 
 
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3.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.6    3 years ago

Great movie

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.6    3 years ago
Show me a present day politician who doesn't say anything to promote themselves.  What about presidents who were aggressively imperialistic?  Were they any better?  What about our congressmen who come into office as regular people and leave office as multi-millionaires?

If you think that Trump is merely on a par with any of that, you are lost. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.7    3 years ago
 policies that are in the best interest in US citizens

That is in the eye of the beholder. The policies in the best interest is a matter of opinion and formed through ideological competition.  The fitness of someone, with Trumps litany of misdeeds, to serve in office should not be a matter of opinion. 

 
 
 
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3.1.11  TOM PA  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.6    3 years ago

 

How to get a following. 

Step 1: You find a group of people who feel left behind, looked down on, ignored, disregarded—often because they are poorly educated or completely uneducated.

Step 2: You get them pissed off. “You are looked down on!  You are ignored! Nobody listens to you! THIS WILL NOT STAND!”

Step 3: You convince them that their lot in life isn’t because they’re uneducated, unskilled, not very smart, and not willing to work to change that.  Oh no.  Their lot in life is SOMEBODY ELSE’S FAULT.  The Jews.  The Mexicans.  College professors.  The liberal elite.  The EU.

Step 4: You set them against the enemy. You use their rage as a tool for your own end. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.10    3 years ago
The fitness of someone, with Trumps litany of misdeeds, to serve in office should not be a matter of opinion. 

In reality that is also in the eye of the beholder.  What should and should not be( with regards to fitness to serve) is a matter of opinion.

 
 
 
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3.1.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  TOM PA @3.1.11    3 years ago
Step 3: You convince them that their lot in life isn’t because they’re uneducated, unskilled, not very smart, and not willing to work to change that.  Oh no.  Their lot in life is SOMEBODY ELSE’S FAULT.  The Jews.  The Mexicans.  College professors.  The liberal elite.  The EU.

Step 3: You convince them that MAGA Republicans (pretty much every Republican) is a threat to democracy and voting for them will end democracy as we know it.

Step 4:  You try to divert blame to the Republicans for every issue of your presidency or out and out lie to try to convince people they are better off with you even though very few are buying into it....must be a messaging issue.

Step 5: You set them against the enemy. You use their stupidity as a tool for your own end. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.12    3 years ago
What should and should not be( with regards to fitness to serve) is a matter of opinion.

Well, if your opinion is that traitors are fit to serve , I guess you're right. 

 
 
 
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3.1.15  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.14    3 years ago

I was talking about people in general and I am right. Even the traitor label is an opinion.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.15    3 years ago

Donald Trump sat on his hands while the US Capitol was undergoing a violent riot.  He has NEVER explained why he did not act. He was asked this question a few weeks ago and he said "Im not going to tell you." 

On Jan 6th he sent out a tweet saying he loved the rioters and they should remember this day for the rest of their lives. This was after they had been fighting with the police for a couple hours and tried to break down security barriers near the congressional chambers. When Trump was told the mob was yelling "Hang Pence" Trump told someone that Pence deserved it. 

Get fucking serious. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.18  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.16    3 years ago

The MAGA clowns used to say "he hasnt been indicted", now that he has been indicted for Jan 6th, the whine is that he hasnt been convicted. After he's convicted you all will be saying "he is appealing". 

Its all ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    3 years ago
Donald Trump sat on his hands while the US Capitol was undergoing a violent riot.  He has NEVER explained why he did not act.

Read it and weep. Here is your answer.

Talking with Karl,  ABC  News' chief Washington correspondent since late 2012, on March 18, 2021, Trump recalled the crowd at the rally on January 6, 2021, where he told his supporters he would be going to the Capitol building. The interview is dated a bit over two months after the riots that saw the Capitol being invaded and looted by a mob of MAGA supporters.

"I was going to and then Secret Service said you can't, and then by the time—I would have, and then when I get back, I saw—I wanted to go back," Trump said, as heard in an audio extract aired exclusively by  CNN  on Thursday. "I was thinking about going back during the problem to stop the problem, doing it myself," he added. "Secret Service didn't like that idea too much."

Trump added: "Don't forget, the people that went to Washington that day, in my opinion, they went because they thought the election was rigged, that's why they went."

And for the video and his voice...................jrSmiley_116_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.20    3 years ago

I have no idea what you think you are proving, but none of what you just posted has any relevance to what I said. 

You seem to think that the only Trump could have acted to stop the problem was to physically go there.  That is what he wants you to believe by the way. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    3 years ago
He has NEVER explained why he did not act.

Did you not say this    jrSmiley_115_smiley_image.png jrSmiley_115_smiley_image.png jrSmiley_115_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.23  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.21    3 years ago

By the way , the quote you are using was made in March 2021. 

A few weeks ago, Meet The Press asked Trump what he was doing while the riot was unfolding and he said "I'm not going to tell you that".

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.23    3 years ago
By the way , the quote you are using was made in March 2021.  A few weeks ago, Meet The Press asked Trump what he was doing while the riot was unfolding and he said "I'm not going to tell you that"

Well I guess in that case they should have done their homework and they wouldn't have had to ask.................

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.25  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.22    3 years ago

I guess you "explained" why he didnt go to the Capitol.  He has never said why he took no action to stop the riot. That entails more than physically going to the Capitol. 

This is ridiculous. This is what MAGA brings to the table. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.26  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.24    3 years ago

Your comments about this are ridiculous. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.26    3 years ago

What would you have had him do? Tweet to a bunch of morons who wouldn't have seen it in the heat of the moment doesn't count.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.28  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.27    3 years ago

1. It is KNOWN that many of the mob were following Trumps twitter while they were in the Capitol. 

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Is it your position that the president of the United States is helplessly frozen during a riot at the US Capitol. There is not a single record of Trump calling anyone on the phone and ordering more law enforcement assets to the Capitol Bldg. He did not make any calls trying to get National Guard sent there. He didnt even call the local police to make sure they had sent all the assets they could to the Capitol. He did call some congresspeople to ask them to support the Eastman plan. 

Why didnt Trump even try to stop the riot? It is is simple , he wanted the riot to succeed in stopping or delaying the vote count. He had no intention of stopping it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.29  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.28    3 years ago

You really should have watched the Jan 6th hearings. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1.30  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.28    3 years ago

Looks like he didn't need to call. They were using them for traffic control for some unGodly reason.

And where was Biden the other night?

"Democratic lawmaker says protest outside DNC ‘rattled me more than January 6th’"

 
 
 
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3.1.31  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    3 years ago

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3.1.32  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.16    3 years ago

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3.1.33  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.17    3 years ago

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Right Down the Center
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3.1.35  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.18    3 years ago

Indicted, convicted, appeal process.

Looks like a good handle on the US court system.  All this time I thought some folks were thinking guilty until proven innocent was the way things were.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.36  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.19    3 years ago
whats ridiculous is how some are obsessed with Trump.

Agree.  If I felt the need to be obsessed with someone it sure wouldn't be Trump.

 
 
 
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3.1.41  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.38    3 years ago

Rachel Madcow is a far left wing nut job hack. Cobert is a moron.

 
 
 
TOM PA
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3.1.42  TOM PA  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.13    3 years ago

Use whatever following/group you want.  It all works the same.  

 
 
 
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3.1.43  Right Down the Center  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.33    3 years ago

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Right Down the Center
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3.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @3    3 years ago

Damn, you beat me to the comment I was about too write.  Just another "the sky will fall if Trump is elected" scare tactic.  If we can survive 4 years of Joe then Donald would be a cake walk for another 4.  Although I would rather see them both bow out.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2    3 years ago

How often do you see or hear what Trump is actually saying?  Has America really normalized this insanity? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2    3 years ago

Listening to these people makes one forget that we already had both men as president.

We know what their policies are.

 
 
 
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3.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    3 years ago

A good portion of people ignore him when he goes off the rail.  They realize he is a shit talker.  Less and less people hang on to his every word.  

 
 
 
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3.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2    3 years ago
"the sky will fall if Trump is elected" scare tactic

Similar to 2016 which bred this kind of bullhsit that never happened.........

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3.2.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    3 years ago
We know what their policies are.

And everyone can see through Joe and his minions attempt to put lipstick on a pig.

 
 
 
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3.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.4    3 years ago

Perfect

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.7  Snuffy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    3 years ago
We know what their policies are.

And we know the impact and results of their policies.  Despite so many wanting to ignore it, I stated from the very beginning that this time around Biden was going to have to run on his record and he has to live with all the failures that his policies and actions have caused.  People want to forget that most voters will base their decisions on kitchen table issues and for a very large percentage of the voting public the issues are right in front of them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.7    3 years ago
People want to forget that most voters will base their decisions on kitchen table issues and for a very large percentage of the voting public the issues are right in front of them.

If that is true, Biden is dead.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.7    3 years ago

But But But 4.9 GNP!

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.10  Snuffy  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.9    3 years ago

yep, I expect the faithful cheerleader to make that comment once online...   LOL

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.11  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.3    3 years ago
They realize he is a shit talker.

He wants to be the fucking president of the United States. He wants to commit any crime and have it dismissed because he is Donald Trump. By the way, pathological lying is not "shit talking". 

Why do you think The Economist, a centrist internationally focused newspaper , says Trump is a danger to the world? Have they gotten too woke? LOL. 

We need MAGA to wake up from their brainwashing, that is what we need. 

Donald Trump stands outside a courtroom literally ranting and raving about the judge, the prosecutors, and the court employees. What kind of example is this for our kids?

We have a whole generation of young people being taught that Trump's insanity is normal. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.11    3 years ago
insanity

If prosperity, secure borders, safe streets, peace and fair-trade deals is insanity, sign me up for more.

 
 
 
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3.2.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.11    3 years ago
We have a whole generation of young people being taught that Trump's insanity is normal. 

Donald will come and go. No one is teaching kids anything about his "insanity", at least in school.  I am more worried we have a whole generation of young people being taught there are 60 genders, words are violence's but violence isn't, Israel wants genocide of Palestinians, if you don't like your sex when you are 5 change it, if you are a minority you are not as smart as a white person and you need the government to swoop in and protect you by dumbing down school systems.........Etc.  I could go on and on but hopefully you get the idea.

 
 
 
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3.2.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.10    3 years ago

Hopefully with a meme

 
 
 
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3.2.15  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.11    3 years ago

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3.2.16  Jack_TX  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    3 years ago
Listening to these people makes one forget that we already had both men as president.

It's becoming surreal.

You almost want to start posts with "Trump hysteria watch:  Day 2281".

The level of batshit people go over old men they'll never meet who have ridiculously small impacts on their daily lives.... it's just astonishing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.16    3 years ago

I guess some people are more patriotic than others. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.16    3 years ago
old men they'll never meet who have ridiculously small impacts on their daily lives.... it's just astonishing.

Amen. See it here every day.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.2.20  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.17    3 years ago
I guess some people are more patriotic than others. 

Some are definitely more fearful than others.  

You've been telling me constantly about how America is a racist nation full of fascists with massive inequality.   It's tough to stay patriotic about a place like that.   jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.18    3 years ago

Good point, it would be interesting to see NT demographics, I imagine it’s largely white, middle class males over 60.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.20    3 years ago

You are, at best, apathetic about Donald Trump. Lets call it indifferent. That is your problem not mine.  When all this done I will have a clear conscience. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Senior Silent
3.2.25  afrayedknot  replied to  Jack_TX @3.2.20    3 years ago

“It's tough to stay patriotic about a place like that.”

On the other hand, it is the best possible place to display one’s patriotism.

To never dismiss the advantages we enjoy in this country in the misplaced partisan frenzy. To acknowledge the shortcomings that exist and will require serious discussion, and to be willing to act like adults in ensuring the enduring promise we have been gifted does not get lost.

To do so is the most meaningfully patriotic thing imaginable. But just my opinion. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.2.27  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.24    3 years ago
You are, at best, apathetic about Donald Trump. Lets call it indifferent.

Apathetic, yes.  Indifferent, technically no.  I'd prefer almost anybody else.   That said, he doesn't scare me.

That is your problem not mine.

Nah.  You're WAY more worked up about it than I am.  It's not a problem for me at all.  Not sorry, BTW.

  When all this done I will have a clear conscience. 

Why would you think anybody else won't?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.2.28  Jack_TX  replied to  afrayedknot @3.2.25    3 years ago
and to be willing to act like adults

Adults who do not cower, hand-wring, or otherwise neurotically obsess at the prospect of a person they don't like winning the presidency.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  seeder  JohnRussell    3 years ago
It’s a mistake to look at political leaders and to judge them on a checklist of issues because it’s not an issues checklist type of job. The jobs we elect these people to are jobs of integrity and jobs of character and when we elect people regardless of what we think their positions are in any set of issues who lack judgment lack Integrity lack character like Mark Wayne Mullen then the country careens towards disaster because that is the inevitable consequence of electing unworthy people in a system of the People by the people for the people.

If we elect the worst amongst us, the Lauren Boberts, the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Mark Wayne Mullins, and we send them to positions of responsibility ,what they will do is do what they have done ,which is break the country, break the institutions, and all around the world last night our enemies got to laugh at American democracy, got to laugh at the United State Senate ,got to laugh at the dignity of the United States, and that was brought on us by United States senator from Oklahoma a small man a petty man, an angry man ,a belligerent man, an agrieved man ,a petulant man, a weak man named Mark Wayne Mullen.

Steve Schmidt

The same is true about Trump, only more so. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Participates
5  Thrawn 31    3 years ago

I am tired. at this point I am soooo fucking tired. I have to deal with all y'all's bullshit from one day to the next, and now we have a guy flat out saying he is following the Hitler playbook, may well be elected president.

 
 

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