Fox News Runs Indignant Segment on Gay Nutcrackers and Black Santas on Sale at Target: ‘Gone Way Too Far’
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F ox News host Jesse Watters dedicated a segment of his show on Thursday to gay nutcrackers and Black, disabled Santa Claus Christmas ornaments on sale at Target, before questioning whether the mega-chain is “sexualizing Christmas for children.”
On Jesse Watters Primetime , the host announced:
We sent one of our producers to Target and they found this: gay nutcracker, complete with a rainbow hat, a trans flag. Full price, $12, but right now it’s on sale for eight. Target also sells Santa ornaments, but Target Santa is in a wheelchair and is Black. And it’s a good thing our chimney is wheelchair accessible so Jesse Jr.’s gonna get all the gifts he wants. Gay nutcracker and wheelchair Santa might be the only items in Target that don’t get looted.
After Watters asked Outkick host Riley Gaines whether she would “have gay nutcracker around the Christmas tree this Christmas,” Gaines replied, “What’s my other option? Black, disabled Santa?”
“Yes, you have Black Santa in the wheelchair— we don’t have anything against Black Santa, or disabled Santa. I think if Santa has a disability then that’s fine,” declared Watters, before asking Gaines, “But why do you think Target is selling this type of merch?”
Gaines responded:
Back in 2005, Target banned the word “Christmas,” the phrase “Merry Christmas.” Employees weren’t allowed to say it, no merchandise was allowed to have the word ‘Christmas’ on it because it implied that, you know, the idea of Christ exists. Now, I believe that’s still in effect, yet they’re allowed to have Black, disabled Santa and gay nutcracker? It doesn’t make sense.
You have to ask yourself, you know, why do they keep pushing this? Who are they trying to appeal to? Because despite what the media portrays or how politicians are voting, this doesn’t represent the overwhelming majority of how this country— really, how the world feels on this issue. I think the majority of people, parents especially, they can acknowledge that gay nutcracker, Black disabled Santa has gone way too far.
Watters then remarked, “The gay nutcracker, I mean, this appeals to children. The Christmas spirit. You decorate the house, you put nutcracker up there. Is this sexualizing Christmas for children?”
Minutes later, the Fox News host concluded the segment by throwing a disabled Santa into the audience.
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First of all , about the Black Santa Christmas tree ornament - what the fuck is wrong with Fox News? If you dont want a black disabled Santa Cluas ornament, dont buy it. Its thast simple.
"But, Santa Claus is white, and does not sit in a wheelchair" the "conservatives" will whine.
Says who? Santa Claus is a mythical character, whose "reality" resides in the imaginations of the young and the young at heart. Here is what a famous letter writer said about Santa Claus
Calm down Fox News hosts, you're making yourselves look like idiots.
Are there not gay people involved in ballet ?
Not a fan of Jessie but he is just doing what target is doing, trying to sell something. If people buy it (or watch it) they will continue to have Jessie on the air or sell whatever ornaments make money.
As for Santa Clause, he is real, and no one will convince me otherwise until my grandkids no longer believe.
And he is black, in a wheelchair, and smoking weed. Who gives a fuck.
Santa has never been quite the same since that sleigh crash with a 747 a few years back. He was lucky to survive. Rumor has it that Rudolph's nose was extra red that night (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).
Your face would be black too if you crawled up and down millions of chimneys all night on Christmas eve. The kind of carbon black that never washes off.
Fox can now put their tiny minds to rest.
What a dumb thing to be upset over. Let people celebrate the holidays however they want. Don’t want Black Santa? Don’t buy it.
I love how the objection is based on the idea that there is something sacred or historical about Santa. But Snoopy Santa is ok, right?
Of course it is OK.. Snoopy is Santa
I guess if you’re young and bigoted, you can be on TV, even though you have a good face for radio.
Why do you label her as bigoted?
Because she's a normal young woman who believes in woman's rights?
Asked and answered. Read the thread.
That's not her decision.
The person being referred to decides.
Once in college while at the movies, I identified with Fritz the Cat, then I lost my high.
I wouldn't waste time arguing with Gaines. If she intends to try to persecute, mock, or 'out' somebody that's her prerogative. But, I would strongly suggest she check out her 'closet' and make sure there is nothing she can be 'outed' on in return. Two can play that game!
That doesn’t affect you. Referring to someone in a way that respects their personal dignity is simple good manners.
I will still call bigots what they are.
No one is requiring you to pretend anything. You really think you’re a victim?
She's already won the argument, so you would not stand much of a chance.
You have no clue who she is, do you?
But it wasn't her prerogative to compete in sports divisions reserved for women, or to use penis-free locker rooms to prepare for competitions. Thanks in no small part to her efforts, other women will not experience those problems .
I stated: Persecute, mock, OR 'out.' The operative word being, "or.' Which one do you choose? Also, I wrote it's her prerogative. But. . . .
If Gaines wants to have an opinion (rather than just closing her mouth) about something better kept discreet about other people then I say that other person or someone who cares or loves that other person is entitled to go through her 'things' and find out what she is 'about' when no one is looking.
Speaking of which she best understand that she is on a 'fifteen minutes of fame' tour right now and she should be careful of being manipulated by the professionals on Fox News who will drop her or remove her guest card whenever they wish.
You don’t know anything about someone else’s body or medical history, but you think you’re in a position to judge whether or not they are engaged in a fantasy. That’s pretty arrogant.
People ask to be identified as all sorts of things. Doctor. Black. Christian. Man. Or they may insist on “Mr.” and their last name instead of just their first name. Maybe a married woman wants to be known by her maiden name or some hyphenation. Whatever. What is the point of going out of your way to pick a fight with them over how they’re addressed or publicly denigrate them?
Not until someone calls me a bigot over it, no.
Bad manners and bigotry are different things.
Probably. But apparently you also intend to make up a new definition of the word.... which I guess is in keeping with existing pattern.
You're just going to call people bigots if they don't. Sounds a bit like a requirement to me.
We're not talking about who she is are we? She is in her role as "commentator" - now.
The context of this thread is about someone mentioning what she is doing by calling others 'out' as male who dress and live female. I say she has won nothing but a "temp" status on Fox News to flap her gums and hustle up a few 'quick' bucks being "entertaining"—because we have all been told the 'one' about Fox News being an "entertainment bureau." Meaning these folks are all "in-it' for suds, frolicking, and cold-hard cash!
Well, her 'skirts' can be lifted too and we can see what she is hiding on the way to the show and 'instant fame' too. If she does not want to be respectful of people who live differently from her, then she better make sure she is not different from those she prefer in any "chat-worthy" way!
When a person feels free to disrespect someone because they are in a certain group, and they do so in a way they wouldn’t for members of other groups, then yes, they are a bigot. Treating people differently because they are in a certain group is bigotry.
Don’t like it? Don’t be a bigot.
That question has been found 'wanting.' It gets better: It was explained to you why too. But you choose to power on as if nobody notices. We do!
She only has that role because of who she is, so yes, we're talking about that.
You're the only one saying that. We're still waiting for you to provide an example of her doing so.
She has the role of commentator - because she is a novelty spokesperson thought to have some influence over a fan-base on the topic of female/transsexual athletics. That is, she is invited there to talk shit about issues conservatives consider "controversial' -even when they are not!
As for the rest. . . .
You really should read through the thread beginning with 6.1.
Then, you might realize that you are not waiting for anything but getting in touch with the comments surrounding you.
If you call all biological males "men" and refer to them using "he", you are actually treating them all the same... so by your own definition, that is the opposite of bigotry.
Or maybe you could start using the word properly.
Here is what I have for you: Don't ask me any questions at all. How about that? Too much? Too hard? Too complex and would require you to change up your routine? (Rhetorical.)
No. Try again.
I have. You're still talking nonsense, which I suspect is going to get worse, and you still can't back up any of your claims.
If it's not controversial, let's just stop doing it and go back to some sanity.
This is not about women's sport. Get that through a conservative mind. I commented on this thread/discussion about Gaines being at liberty to 'chat it up' about the true nature of a transsexual human being in OR out of sports settings.
The thread is not about women's sports! Though you wish it to be for your "purposes."
Well, if its nonsense because you say so. Don't waste your time. We can just say, "Bye."
Then see 6.2.35 and have at it!
Can't get your stubborn 'machine' to not form a question, I see!
And it continues on about labels not women's sports. This is what we are discussing for some time now. Although you seem desperate to move the goalpost.
Cite her doing so.
Ms. Gaines was a victim of indecent exposure at a sporting event. She was forced into that situation by the governing body of her sport as they attempted to protect themselves from militant trans-defenders. (Note I am not talking about trans people themselves. I am specifically pointing the blame at their non-trans "advocates" who attempt to coerce and bully anybody who does not accept their demands.)
So her inclusion on the commentary panel is related to her unique first-hand experience with the dark side of LGBT issues, which happened to involve sporting events.
"Stop talking in riddles and speak plainly...."
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Calling someone out for not doing what you believe they should do sounds....well.....bigoted.
We see a lot of definition changing to fit different narratives lately.
"If the shoe fits, buy it!” - Imelda Marcos
6.1 introduces the "chat" were are having now - though you desperately need a diversion from it. This is such tiresome, disingenuous bs.
WTH is that? All the loaded terms used. The comment is too polluted to be interacted with as written. And where do you get off writing about "indecent exposure" - when clearly the governing body put these athletes in close proximity of each other. You are not allowed to "charge" a trans-person based on your own specific biases. It was an APPROVED changing "station" at a sporting event, I will presume. Barring clear indications of intent to be "indecent" by using an APPROVED CHANGING ROOM-your comment is hyperbole.
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I realize it's difficult to get your mind around how shitty the situation was, especially when you have zero familiarity with Ms. Gaines or her story.
Because that's what it was.
Which I indicated quite clearly.
Which is why I directed the accusations at them and not him.
Riley Gaines made her point, effectively I would say, at the time. Why is she a host on a news show where she is spewing things like as shown in this article?
That is a bigoted comment, excused under the premise that she is just giving her opinion.
I would bet good money she was brought up on the right, politically, and was very conservative before any incidents that happened to her personally in the swimming pool or locker room.
Agree, I always said we needed more women in our locker room during high school. It was a catholic high school so my suggestion didn't go very far.
Sex is not as binary as you think.
No one said you did. We were talking about Gaines.
No. You should pay close attention because my words might soften your heart. However, my words did not accuse you of publicly denigrating anyone.
I think it’s more complicated than you know. If you’re willing to invest a dozen or so minutes, watch this layperson-friendly video that gives some insight into how complex this issue can be:
Agreed.
My guess is, and I don't think you'll disagree, that they are trying to translate her past experiences into some sort of expertise on larger LGBT issues. I think we'll also agree that it doesn't necessarily work like that.
She's also conspicuously representative of the "young conservative" demographic, and all cable news channels are fighting a desperate battle against irrelevance with young people. She'll play well on Instagram and Twitter, whereas everybody will scroll past Jesse so fast he won't get the first word out.
I do find it interesting that she's catching all the shit here, given that her comments were surely more benign than his.
It is merely her opinion. It's not bigoted. People need to stop misusing and overusing that word before it becomes completely meaningless.
Both the Nutcracker and Santa Claus are centuries-old characters from very white European cultures where homosexuality would have been severely punished at the time. So a gay nutcracker or a black Santa are definitely deviations from the original traditions.
Whether or not they go "too far" is a matter of opinion and does not constitute bigotry any more than reservations about Chris Pratt playing the Black Panther in the next Marvel movie.
What's interesting is that you appear to think this makes her defective in some way. Do you just have a zero-tolerance policy for anybody who doesn't agree with you?
Yo, Madison, hand me a towel.
Using your metric, nothing is ever bigoted. I assume you would remove the word from the dictionary.
"Blacks are lazy good for nothings"
"you're a bigot"
"not at all, I'm entitled to my opinion".
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TAKE YOUR COMPLAINTS UP WITH PERRIE.
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There is actually a much more legitimate argument to be made that gay Nutcrackers or black Santas constitute cultural appropriation. I'm not sure how pathetic somebody would need to be before they cared, but it's a more intelligent position than the one you've just demonstrated.
are you fucking serious ?
I'm pretty sure that Christmas toys (brought by Santa) , and the Nutcracker , are marketed to all ethnic groups, therefore the people in charge of these images dont consider them to be the cultural property of one group.
Sure.
You're assuming I think cultural appropriation is a bad thing.
Exactly. The Santa legend has been culturally appropriated all over the world. Isn't it great?
That said, there are undoubtedly cultural versions of Santa that you would think "go too far". I've not seen one, but I guarantee you that somewhere in Texas or Oklahoma you can buy an NRA Santa who carries an AR-15 on his Christmas Eve run. Too far? Probably. Does anybody care? Not anybody with any sense.
The standing joke in Texas is that no matter what kind of restaurant you think you're in, when you go into the kitchen, it's a Mexican restaurant.
My brother lives in Texas. I have to find that for him, he would love it.
Oh well, I had one of the best steaks I ever had at the stockyards in Fort Worth. Still remember it even thought it was years ago. I always thought it was cooked by a cowboy straight from a cattle drive.
You never see anything I see, so I am used to this by now. I might be starting to LIKE it as it is.
Preposterous. A whole lot of bias puffery. As for 'Ms. Thang' she knew going in she was sharing facilities with a transperson so had she wanted to and it was permitted her she could have requested SPECIAL CONSIDERATION for herself or brought a 'tent' for herself to change inside. Who cares. A transfemale ain't after her sexuality at a sporting event.
It pisses me off that some conservatives do their damnest NOT to overthink making the case for their point of view. One would think that liberals and progressive have not considered what conservatives might come up with when making policy and that would be wrong (liberals and progressive mainly do consider the conservative framing of a situation), but these "one-way" conservatives are not open to new ways of social expression at all.
Some girls and women find it offensive how obsessive some men are about their sexual practices and child-bearing protocols, but that does not hold any 'real estate' in those minds of some conservatives—so you go figure! Some conservatives compel girls and women to do as some conservatives wish them to do!
I don't give her credit for sh—nothing. She knows why she is on the show. . .she is being REWARDED and given a opening/opportunity to make some extra cash and built on that (if she can to make more) if she plays her cards right and use her newfound diverse stream of income appropriately to position herself. . . maybe an anchor chair or co-host seat at the table can be in the works (if she hustles hard enough and say what her 'public' wants to hear-aka. "FEED THE BEAST - AND THE BEAST FEEDS YOU!)
She probably not complete inept as to the "golden opportunity" she has been gifted to make a name for herself on cable news. It's 'nice' work and a book can be offered up (chance to make "extra" monies) if she catches fire with Fox News' some conservative audience! Work it Ms. Thang! Say what you need to about others no matter how hurtful it is to them, because it means cha-ching in your bank accounts, plural!
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Do you remember whether it was Cattleman's or H3? Both are excellent, and they're about 50 yds from each other.
Unfortunately I can't remember. I was there for a week for a Radio Shack conference and ate at the same place each night. Never got sick of steak, or Billy Bobs.
Which is what you normally say when you don't have a viable retort.
She did request it. To no avail.
Enough people care that the rule was changed.
Both meaningless and irrelevant simultaneously. Well done.
Does it ever occur to you that certain issues are not about identity politics and your juvenile, inaccurate mass-classification of other people you've never met?
Am a centrist to slightly left or slightly right on most topics.
Born males who surgically and hormonally change sex post puberty have no right to be competing in professional sports against born females.
At puberty there are physiological changes that give born males an advantage in muscle mass.
That being said, I have trained a few born female fighters who can definitely kick the shit out of most born males. Females tend to have more fast-twitch muscles which lead to faster defense and faster offense.
It all comes down to mental toughness in the end.
"Females tend to have more fast-twitch muscles which lead to faster defense and faster offense."
That tends to not be true.
Is There a Difference Between Female and Male Muscles? | livestrong
Why are these people even talking about a "disabled black Santa" anyway? What is it to them? That said, I could wonder if some black conservatives were watching and wondering if all the "allusions" about it is necessary.
For fucks sake, who cares?