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Nikki Haley says the United States has never been ‘racist’

  
Via:  John Russell  •  2 years ago  •  75 comments


Nikki Haley says the United States has never been ‘racist’
“No. We’re not a racist country… We’ve never been a racist country,”

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D uring an interview on Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said that the United States has never been a “racist” country.

“No. We’re not a racist country… We’ve never been a racist country,” Haley said during her appearance on “ Fox & Friends ” when asked if she would have issues being elected as a woman of color. “Our goal is to make sure that today is better than yesterday. Are we perfect? No. But our goal is to always make sure we try and be more perfect every day that we can.”


Haley, who finished third at the Iowa Caucus on Monday, drew from her experience as “a brown girl that grew up in a small rural town in South Carolina” when answering the question.

Haley said she has experienced racism in the past but doesn’t want children to be raised thinking they have a disadvantage because of their race.

“I faced racism when I was growing up. But I can tell you, today is a lot better than it was then,” Haley said. “Our goal is to lift up everybody. Not go and divide people on race or gender or party or anything else. We’ve had enough of that in America.”

Haley has a major battle coming up in New Hampshire, where the next caucus will be held. Currently, she sits in second place in the state’s polls, trailing former President Donald Trump by a far lesser margin than she did in Iowa.

The former South Carolina governor is also being seen as the most moderate Republican candidate, though Trump remains the top choice for a majority of the party.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago

I dont know if Haley is pandering to the right, just playing politics, or doesnt know what she is talking about, but her statement that the United States has never been a racist country is absurd. 

The United States has a 247 year history, and until 1964 there was never a decade, or even a year in America when it wasnt legal to discriminate on the basis of race. For most of its history America was more or less the definition of a racist country. 

This sort of denial of obvious history is disturbing. 

Maybe she needs to read Vic's favorite book, Stamped From The Beginning, or some of the other hundreds of books that document racism in America.  How about she reads through the 1619 Project, that may help. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago
I dont know if Haley is pandering to the right, just playing politics, or doesnt know what she is talking about

Why can't it be all of the above?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago

So what? Since 1964 we have not been a racist nation, if we ever were at all. That's not to that there hasn't been any racism at all, by groups or individuals.

The bigger question is what makes you obsess about racism? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    2 years ago
Since 1964 we have not been a racist nation

So you are claiming that for the majority of time that the United States has existed, it was a racist nation?  1776 - 1964, roughly 188 years?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2  Drinker of the Wry    2 years ago

“I faced racism when I was growing up.“

Seems like she knows that there was racism.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2    2 years ago

The author doesn't seem to know the difference between racism and being a racist country. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1    2 years ago

Why dont you tell us what you think the difference is. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1    2 years ago
The author doesn't seem to know the difference between racism and being a racist country.

Because it's not like the country counted a minority as 3/5 of a person....?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    2 years ago
ot like the country counted a minority as 3/5 of a person....?

So you favored the slaveholders' position and wanted them counted as a  full one? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 years ago

You really don't know the difference between a racist person and a racist country?  Nothing I say can help you with that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.1.5    2 years ago

I'm trying to find out if you know. You're the that says there is one. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    2 years ago

Well, if racism is entirely prevalent among your citizens, you have a racist country, but we dont have to be that vague, lol.  For the great majority of our country's history racial discrimination was legal and in some cases mandatory. 

Maybe now you will claim racial discrimination is not racism lol. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.4    2 years ago
So you favored the slaveholders' position and wanted them counted as a  full one?

So you are saying that a country counting a minority individual as only 3/5 of a full human being is NOT racist???

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    2 years ago
country counting a minority individual as only 3/5 of a full human being is NOT racist???

When the choices are

1. break up the country

2. Give the slaveholders more power and count slaves as a full person 

3.  Give the slaveholders less power  by counting  slaves as 3/5 of a person for apportionment purposes and be called "racist" 

I'll take option three everytime. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.6    2 years ago

Seems more like a silly question 

See 2.1.5 again.  The answer is there

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.13  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    2 years ago
Was it entirely prevalent, though? If that were true, why would things have changed?

Pick a year of our history, any year. Then we will go back and look at historical sources and see what kind of racism was going on. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.9    2 years ago

bing chat gpt

Racism in the 1930s was a pervasive and deeply entrenched problem in the United States. It affected the lives of millions of African Americans, as well as other minority groups, such as Japanese Americans, Native Americans, and Mexican Americans. Some of the ways that racism manifested in the 1930s were:

  • Economic discrimination : African Americans faced higher unemployment rates, lower wages, and fewer opportunities than whites during the Great Depression. They were often excluded from New Deal programs or received less benefits than whites. Many migrant workers, especially Mexicans and Filipinos, were deported or repatriated to reduce competition for jobs.
  • Segregation and Jim Crow laws : African Americans were subjected to legal and social segregation in the South, where they had to use separate facilities, schools, and transportation from whites. They were also denied the right to vote, serve on juries, or hold public office. In the North, segregation was more de facto than de jure, but still prevalent in housing, education, and employment.
  • Violence and lynching : African Americans faced constant threats of violence and intimidation from white supremacists, such as the Ku Klux Klan, who resurged in the 1930s. Lynching, the extrajudicial killing of blacks by mobs, increased in the 1930s, especially in response to the Scottsboro case, where nine young black men were falsely accused of raping two white women in Alabama. Other minority groups, such as Chinese and Mexican Americans, also experienced violent attacks and hate crimes.
  • Internment and exclusion : Japanese Americans were the victims of one of the most egregious acts of racism in the 1930s, when they were forcibly relocated and interned in camps after the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. They were seen as potential enemies and spies, despite their loyalty and contributions to the U.S. Other Asian Americans, such as Chinese and Filipino Americans, faced discrimination and exclusion from immigration, citizenship, and property rights.

If you want to learn more about racism in the 1930s, you can check out these sources:

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.15  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    2 years ago
"So you are saying that a country counting a minority individual as only 3/5 of a full human being is NOT racist???"

When did that happen? When did it stop? Is it happening now?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 years ago

wanna try for the 1880's? I'm sure i can find that.

I would note that unfortunately the above information doesnt include racism against Native Americans, which was most definitely prevalent throughout our history. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.1.17  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    2 years ago
Pick a year of our history, any year. Then we will go back and look at historical sources and see what kind of racism was going
Haley never said racism doesn't/didn't exist.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 years ago
panese Americans were the victims of one of the most egregious acts of racism in the 1930s, when they were forcibly relocated and interned in camps after the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.

Not a great commercial for Chat GPT...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.19  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 years ago

Do you realize that it was your party, the Democrat party, that was responsible for the vast majority of the racism that occurred. Racism was much less prevalent in the North

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 years ago

Oh, whaddyaknow -

During the   1880s , Black Americans faced significant challenges in their pursuit of equality and civil rights. Despite being U.S. citizens, they were   denied many liberties   by legislators, law enforcement officers, and White citizens. Here are some key points from that era:

  1. Jury Rights : In   1880 , the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in   Strauder v. West Virginia   that Black Americans could not be excluded from juries based on their race.   This decision was a step toward racial diversity in juries, but it did not guarantee representation or community reflection 1 .

  2. Railroad Segregation : In   1881 , Tennessee passed the first railroad segregation law, requiring separate train cars for Black and White passengers.   This law marked the beginning of the Jim Crow era, where discriminatory laws and practices became more prevalent 1 .

  3. Nadir of Race Relations : The period from the end of Reconstruction in   1877   through the early 20th century is known as the   nadir of American race relations . Racism, especially anti-Black racism, was more open and pronounced during this time than ever before in U.S.   history 2 .

Despite these challenges, civil rights activists like   Booker T. Washington   and   Ida B. Wells   worked tirelessly to expose injustices, establish educational institutes, and fight for recognition in various industries.   The struggle for equality continued, even in the face of adversity 1 3 .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.20    2 years ago
The   nadir of American race relations   was the period in   African-American history   and the   history of the United States   from the end of   Reconstruction   in 1877 through the early   20th century , when   racism in the country , especially   anti-black racism , was more open and pronounced than it had ever been during any other period in   the nation's history . During this period,   African Americans   lost access to many of the   civil rights   which they had gained during Reconstruction. Anti-black violence,   lynchings ,   segregation , legalized   racial discrimination , and expressions of   white supremacy   all increased.   Asian Americans   were also not spared from such sentiments.
Historian Rayford Logan  coined the phrase in his 1954 book  The Negro in American Life and Thought: The Nadir, 1877–1901 . Logan tried to determine the period when "the Negro's status in American society" reached its lowest point. He argued for 1901 as its end, suggesting that race relations improved after that year; other historians, such as  John Hope Franklin  and  Henry Arthur Callis , argued for dates as late as 1923.

The term continues to be used; most notably, it is used in books by   James W. Loewen   as recently as 2006,   and it is also used in books by other scholars.   Loewen chooses later dates, arguing that the post-Reconstruction era was in fact one of widespread hope for racial equity due to idealistic   Northern   support for civil rights. In Loewen's view, the true nadir only began when Northern   Republicans   ceased supporting Southern blacks' rights around 1890, and it lasted until the United States entered   World War II   in 1941. This period followed the financial   Panic of 1873   and a continuing decline in cotton prices. It overlapped with both the   Gilded Age   and the   Progressive Era , and was characterized by the nationwide   sundown town   phenomenon.

Nadir of American race relations - Wikiwand
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.23  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.22    2 years ago

Civil rights laws were enacted because of activism , not because people randomly decided not to be racist any more. There are still millions of racists in this country. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.25  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.24    2 years ago

whatever . the day you post something that backs up your opinions is the day i will take you seriously. not much chance of that. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.27  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.15    2 years ago

When did that happen? When did it stop? Is it happening now?

Don't know what country you are from, but American history is fairly important when you are talking about historical trends.

Article one, section two of the Constitution of the United States declared that any person who was not free would be counted as three-fifths of a free individual for the purposes of determining congressional representation.

Remember, the original Constitution recognized slavery.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Haley knows that her flickering hopes to be the GOP nominee would instantly evaporate if she was to ever knowledge the racist past of America. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

"Haley said she has experienced racism in the past but doesn’t want children to be raised thinking they have a disadvantage because of their race.

“I faced racism when I was growing up. But I can tell you, today is a lot better than it was then,” Haley said. “Our goal is to lift up everybody. Not go and divide people on race or gender or party or anything else. We’ve had enough of that in America.”"

What a terrible message to give people. Things are better than ever and kids don't have to think of themselves as victims.  No wonder the left is after her, those are dangerous thoughts

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @5    2 years ago

Why did she lie and say America has never been a racist country?

Oh I know - she wants the votes of today's generation of racists. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago
when asked if she would have issues being elected as a woman of color.

This was the context behind her answer.  She clearly wouldn’t be a viable candidate if she answered, Yes, I’m probably unelectable because of my gender and ethnic heritage.  Sheesh!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    2 years ago
Why would racists vote for a woman of color?

Why would people who are broke send a billionaire money? Lot's of  trump supporters did just that. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago
Oh I know - she wants the votes of today's generation of racists. 

Yes, because it is very important for a woman of color to pander to the racists so they will vote for her.  Is that really what you are saying?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    2 years ago

Are you really suggesting you believe racists would vote for a woman of color because she said The US was never racist?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.6    2 years ago

Practice, lots and lots of practice.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago

Haley makes a lot of sense and tells the truth. You don't.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 years ago
Why did she lie and say America has never been a racist country?

Seems like an obvious question that somebody should ask her. I can think of ways it could be argued, but I don't want to presume to speak for her.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.8    2 years ago

We have to endlessly go through this garbage with these people.

America has been a racist country for most of its history, this isnt even debatable for people who know what they are talking about. 

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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5.1.11  mocowgirl  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.10    2 years ago
America has been a racist country for most of its history,

Definitely.  The English discriminated against all classes of the "others" and it went far beyond skin color.

When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis | HISTORY

When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis

Forced from their homeland because of famine and political upheaval, the Irish endured vehement discrimination before making their way into the American mainstream.

The refugees seeking haven in America were poor and disease-ridden. They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets. They practiced an alien religion and pledged allegiance to a foreign leader. They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists. 

These undesirables were Irish.

A flotilla of 5,000 boats transported the pitiable castaways from the wasteland. Most of the refugees boarded minimally converted cargo ships—some had been used in the past to transport slaves from Africa—and the hungry, sick passengers, many of whom spent their last pennies for transit, were treated little better than freight on a 3,000-mile journey that lasted at least four weeks.

Herded like livestock in dark, cramped quarters, the Irish passengers lacked sufficient food and clean water. They choked on fetid air. They were showered by excrement and vomit. Each adult was apportioned just 18 inches of bed space—children half that. Disease and death clung to the rancid vessels like barnacles, and nearly a quarter of the 85,000 passengers who sailed to North America aboard the aptly nicknamed “coffin ships” in 1847 never reached their destinations. Their bodies were wrapped in cloths, weighed down with stones and tossed overboard to sleep forever on the bed of the ocean floor.

Although most certainly tired and poor, the Irish did not arrive in America yearning to breathe free; they merely hungered to eat. Largely destitute, many exiles could progress no farther than within walking distance of the city docks where they disembarked. While some had spent all of their meager savings to pay for passage across the Atlantic, others had their voyages funded by British landlords who found it a cheaper solution to dispatch their tenants to another continent, rather than pay for their charity at home.

And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.10    2 years ago

What country or society hasn’t been racist for most of its history by your standards?

The idea that racism is wrong is largely an American & english invention. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.12    2 years ago

EXACTLY!!!

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.14  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.12    2 years ago

Im not worried about every other country, Im worried about my country. 

Haley could have easily said, we used to be racist, but we've come a long way, if that is what she believes. Instead she chose to pander to the racists in her party. Thats what happened. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.14    2 years ago

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Gazoo
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5.1.16  Gazoo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.15    2 years ago

Yeah, i’ve heard it’s racist to be a nationalist jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gazoo @5.1.16    2 years ago

You see it every day here.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Right Down the Center @5    2 years ago

“No wonder the left is after her, those are dangerous thoughts.”

No wonder she finished third last night behind two who have no qualms in preaching division, derision and truly dangerous thoughts. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2    2 years ago

Biden wasn't even in the primaries.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  afrayedknot @5.2    2 years ago
"preaching division, derision and truly dangerous thoughts." 

That would be Biden.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6  Tacos!    2 years ago

That doesn't make a lot of sense. It would require an exceedingly narrow definition of "racist country."

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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7  Robert in Ohio    2 years ago

I understand that a factual basis is not always required, but via Bing AI  Psychology Today offers

Racism is a set of beliefs, policies, and practices that limit the opportunities of a category of people identified based on physical traits. It can be passive or active, and operates in different ways at different levels of society. On the other hand, a racist country is a country where racism is prevalent in various forms, motivated by historic, cultural, religious, economic, or demographic reasons. It is important to note that racism is not the same as prejudice, which is a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

In summary, while racism is a set of beliefs, policies, and practices that limit opportunities for a category of people based on physical traits, a racist country is a country where racism is prevalent in various forms.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8  Sparty On    2 years ago

I find it interesting that you would choose to post this article as proof of a racially insensitive comment and not the decades long history of Joe Biden’s racially insensitive comments.

Clearly Joe’s multiple incident are much more racially heinous than what Nikki Haley said here.

Right?

 
 

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