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The Fascist Four Know Not What They Do - Digby's Hullabaloo

  
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The Fascist Four Know Not What They Do - Digby's Hullabaloo
Adam Serwer with an interesting observation on the Supreme Court's decision in the Texas border case which Gov. Abbott and 25 other red state extremist Governors are openly defying:There are many factors that led to this point. One is the reigning Republican ideology of Trumpism, which holds that only conservative electoral victories, conservative laws, and conservative governments are legitimate

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Published by digby on January 30, 2024

Adam Serwer with an interesting observation on the Supreme Court's decision in the Texas border case which Gov. Abbott and 25 other red state extremist Governors are openly defying:


There are many factors that led to this point. One is the reigning Republican ideology of Trumpism, which holds that only conservative electoral victories, conservative laws, and conservative governments are legitimate and must be obeyed—the ideology that led a mob to ransack the Capitol to overturn an election. Another is the steady drumbeat of catastrophizing right-wing propaganda about the recent rise in migrants at the border, which seeks to validate extreme responses, including violence and lawlessness. But even accounting for those two elements, the most significant proximate reason for Abbott's response may be that four Supreme Court justices sent Abbott an implicit message that they agreed with him.
When the Court sided with the Biden administration, it was a 5-4 split, with Justices John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett joining the three Democratic appointees. This should have been a unanimous ruling; for more than a century, the Supreme Court has held that the federal government has jurisdiction over immigration law in most cases and that the states cannot usurp that jurisdiction just because they disapprove of federal policy. Abbott is now thumbing his nose at the federal government and, by extension, the authority of the high court itself, and four Republican appointees—Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch—are saying: Go right ahead.

That's certainly how the right wingers interpreted it. Roberts and Barrett are RINO squishes and might as well be Nancy Pelosi's bffs. The only ones who count are the Fascist Four and they said that defying the federal government was just fine.

Serwer points out that this is actually stupid on their part:


The four justices' little act of sympathy with Abbott's antics has created a problem for the Court. If states can openly defy Supreme Court orders, then the justices no longer have influence. All of the justices grasped this dilemma last September, when they smacked down an attempt by Alabama Republicans to refuse to follow a Supreme Court decision on the Voting Rights Act. Abbott's reaction should give them some perspective: Their decision was not merely symbolic; it undermines their own power and legitimacy.
Conservatives may believe that they are the only ones entitled to play constitutional hardball and ignore the law if they don't feel like following it. But the more the Supreme Court allows Republican politicians and GOP-run states to get away with defying the law, the less obligated their Democratic counterparts will feel to follow their dictates. And at that point, they won't have any power at all.

They don't believe that any Democratic state would dare to do that because their voters aren't inclined to the kind of extremism that would lead to civil war. But things can change. They're pushing it.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago
The four justices' little act of sympathy with Abbott's antics has created a problem for the Court. If states can openly defy Supreme Court orders, then the justices no longer have influence. All of the justices grasped this dilemma last September, when they smacked down an attempt by Alabama Republicans to refuse to follow a Supreme Court decision on the Voting Rights Act. Abbott's reaction should give them some perspective: Their decision was not merely symbolic; it undermines their own power and legitimacy.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago

Sorry JR, but the pathetic and weak attempts by the leftists to cast the blame for the border invasion on Abbott and the "25 extremist" Red State governors is not working.

Everyone and I mean everyone knows that Biden and his band of flunkies won't even enforce existing law regarding the border crisis., let alone new legislation. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    2 years ago

The article is about the Supreme Court, not whatever you seem to think it is. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 years ago

This is a big loser for democrats.

Everybody gets it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2  Just Jim NC TttH    2 years ago

Seems this is much ado about a nothingburger. The court ruled that the feds could cut the concertina wire, NOT that Texas couldn't put it up or needed to remove it. So as it is cut, it can legally be reinstalled leading to a stand off. Good for Texas and Governor Abbott

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3  Ronin2    2 years ago

Abbot is enforcing US immigration laws, and Texas laws (that are directly in the Texas Constitution) to defend their borders from invasion.

Tell Brandon to do his damn job securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws as written; and none of this will be necessary. I am sure the border states would love to be using their tax payer money for anything else.

As for Fascists look no further than Democrat bastions of stupidity trying to keep Trump off of the ballot. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

This is propaganda. Texas is not defying a Supreme Court order. 

just more left wing gaslighting.

 
 
 
George
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4.1  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    2 years ago
This is propaganda.

It all is, saw 4 broadcasts that last few days on how republicans don't want to fix immigration, not one of the liberal nazi propagandist mentioned that the republicans have passed a bill already. It's no longer news, only propaganda.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  seeder  JohnRussell    2 years ago

The right wingers flood the seed and none of them talk about the point being made by the article. 

 
 
 
George
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5.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 years ago

The article is pointless bullshit by a lying propagandist, That is the point.

 
 
 
George
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6  George    2 years ago

This article was specifically wriiten to attract morons and TDS suffering fools.

 ideology of Trumpism, propaganda about the recent rise in migrants at the border,

Only a fucking moron with no grasp of reality would call the rise of illegals crossing the border propaganda, the fucking worthless piece of shit Biden administration sets records every month for illegal crossing, you have to be a Biden dick sucker to call this propaganda.

If states can openly defy Supreme Court orders, 

An outright fucking lie, they are not preventing the border patrol from cutting the wire, this authors credibility is now zero.

They don't believe that any Democratic state would dare to do that because their voters aren't inclined to the kind of extremism that would lead to civil war. But things can change. They're pushing it.

This line is laughable at best, how many of the retarded liberal states have legalized narcotics like mushrooms and LSD in open defiance of federal law, fuck this piece of shit writer with his outright bullshit.

How is that John? did I address this piece of shit article to your satisfaction?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  George @6    2 years ago

The article is about the implications of having governors  defy the Supreme Court. 

T exas' largest newspaper, the  Houston Chronicle , scolded Governor  Greg Abbott  on Saturday for defying the U.S.  Supreme Court 's decision to temporarily bar the use of razor wire at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Abbott has been in multiple legal battles with the  Department of Justice  (DOJ) over his migrant deterrent tactics. As the U.S. faces a surge in illegal border crossings, Abbott has tried to fend migrants off,  using razor wire along parts of the southern border  and  a circular saw floating barrier  in the Rio Grande river. The Biden administration has called these tactics "dangerous" and "cruel."

Earlier this week, the Supreme Court sided with the Biden administration in a 5-4 ruling, allowing U.S. Border Patrol agents to temporarily remove the razor wire that Texas officials put up under Abbott's orders while litigation over the issue proceeds. After this latest legal blow, Abbott issued a statement on Wednesday,  declaring Texas' "right to self-defense."  He also posted to X, formerly  Twitter , on Monday, and wrote  "this is not over" and called the razor wire "an effective deterrent."

Greg Abbott Scolded by Largest Texas Newspaper for Defying Supreme Court (msn.com)
 
 
 
George
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6.1.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 years ago

Another fucking LIE John. why do you always believe liars and propagandist when a simple search can show they are fucking liars? 

to temporarily bar the use of razor wire at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Here is a link to the Scotus Blog, show anywhere where it says Texas cannot put up razor wire, it only says that the Border patrol can cut and move it if necessary to aid people or perform their jobs.

Court allows Border Patrol to cut Texas’ razor wire along Rio Grande - SCOTUSblog

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.2    2 years ago

We can't even get them to admit to the most basic facts.

 
 
 
goose is back
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6.1.4  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 years ago
governors  defy the Supreme Court. 

What was denied? Did Abbott stop anyone from cutting any wire?  

 
 

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