the vast vast majority of child sexual abuse cases do not involve the catholic church
Sexual Abuse 28,625
Midwest-Jan-June-2022-1.pdf (nationalchildrensalliance.org)
That number is the amount of child sexual abuse cases reported in one six month period from one recent year in one region of the country. . 28625. We can easily extrapolate that there are , at least, 100,000 cases of child sexual abuse reported in America EVERY YEAR.
And yet, on social media such as this, ALL we hear in regards to this issue is about the Catholic Church. ALL. It is going on right now on this forum.
No one here ever seeds an article about child sexual abuse that does not involve the church or priests, even though statistically almost all child sexual abuse is not committed by Catholic priests.
One must wonder to what extent anti-Catholic prejudice plays a role in this.
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Some are only concerned about those victims they can exploit for their political agendas, hence the almost exclusive focus on victims of the church.
Back to avoiding the truth about the RCC, par for the course it seems. Would you please list my political agenda, I'd like to know what it is. Oh, it must be I'm trying to expose the horrors the RCC inflicted on indigenous children in their care, also bring those to justice and to show how the RCC covered up their crimes, you know that sexual abuse is a crime, right?
And some, that means you are only interested in deflecting the horrors the RCC inflicted on children.
Perfect example. Think of all the posts you've made attacking the church for its historical mistakes and compare it to the number you've made about the ongoing horror of child abuse on reservations or the historical atrocities indians committed against children. Where are the posts expressing outrage at the tribes who would capture little girls from other tribes, abuse them and then sell them into Mexican slavery? Or bring indian kids to settlers and murder them in front of the settler if the settler wouldn't buy them? Trading kids for an ox seems worthy of condemnation, no?
Approximately 50% of indian children on reservations TODAY are sexually abused. Guess who'd doing that? It ain't priests. Why do you avoid that truth??
Where are your articles on the horrors of what the whites did to Indian children and women, or is that excusable by you? It common knowledge on the internet, but as usual you stick with your one sided commentry even as the Europeans invaded our country.
Never have avoided that truth and the article you took that from the women only worked at one reservation (Navajo) and you avoided all the circumstances that were outlined in the article. You also avoided that sexual abuse of women on the rez is committed by ''Whites'' no comment from you.
How about the thousands that died while being ''cared for'' by the Church, anything to say about that or is that an ok solution for you?
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I don't really post any articles on the topic either way. But you do only about a very select group while ignoring the vast majority of victims
ou also avoided that sexual abuse of women on the rez is committed by ''Whites'' no comment from you.
Sure. It's all white people. Damn the evidence of it being a family issue.
usands that died while being ''cared for'' by the Church,
How bout the even higher fatality rate among those who weren't?
When you were pushing the hoax about unmarked graves to justify ongoing acts of terrorism against Churches in Canada, I went back and read the Canadian government reports on the state of natives that led the Canadian government to intervene. Kids were being starved, abused and ignored while their parents drank and barely bothered to even try to hunt for food. It was a litany of horrors.
Yet those kids who starved to death don't seem to matter to you either.
Of course, you don't that would take a stand or show empathy. The very select group that I concentrate on are Native Americans from both Canada and the US since both governments and churches kept the horrors hidden for decades and being Indian makes it even more of a mission for me.
Never said that but posted the fact with link that 80% of sexual assault cases on the reservations were committed by white men. VAWA didn't cover sexual abuse of children but if you read and understood your own link you would probably understand the phenomenon or not. The link you provided was from one person on one reservation without stats.
Deflection.
I wasn't pushing any hoax and yes 3 or 4 churches were burnt down no one was injured or killed but I suppose in religious minds the burning of those churches was worse than the thousands of native kids that died while in the care/supervision of the church not to mention the abuse, including sexual and the food experiments done on them.
See the above comment and links below.
Priests Commit No More Abuse Than Other Males
Pat Wingert 7-9 minutes 4/7/2010
The Catholic sex-abuse stories emerging every day suggest that Catholics have a much bigger problem with child molestation than other denominations and the general population. Many point to peculiarities of the Catholic Church ( its celibacy rules for priests , its insular hierarchy , its exclusion of women ) to infer that there's something particularly pernicious about Catholic clerics that predisposes them to these horrific acts. It's no wonder that, back in 2002—when the last Catholic sex-abuse scandal was making headlines—a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll found that 64 percent of those queried thought Catholic priests "frequently'' abused children.
Yet experts say there's simply no data to support the claim at all. No formal comparative study has ever broken down child sexual abuse by denomination, and only the Catholic Church has released detailed data about its own. But based on the surveys and studies conducted by different denominations over the past 30 years, experts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue. "We don't see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children . "I can tell you without hesitation that we have seen cases in many religious settings, from traveling evangelists to mainstream ministers to rabbis and others."
Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations. Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. "We don't see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another," says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications. "It's pretty even across the denominations." It's been that way for decades. While the company saw an uptick in these claims by all types of churches around the time of the 2002 U.S. Catholic sex-abuse scandal, Eric Spacick, Guide One's senior church-risk manager, says "it's been pretty steady since." On average, the company says 80 percent of the sexual misconduct claims they get from all denominations involve sexual abuse of children. As a result, the more children's programs a church has, the more expensive its insurance, officials at Guide One said.
The only hard data that has been made public by any denomination comes from John Jay College's study of Catholic priests, which was authorized and is being paid for by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops following the public outcry over the 2002 scandals. Limiting their study to plausible accusations made between 1950 and 1992, John Jay researchers reported that about 4 percent of the 110,000 priests active during those years had been accused of sexual misconduct involving children. Specifically, 4,392 complaints (ranging from "sexual talk" to rape) were made against priests by 10,667 victims. (Reports made after 2002, including those of incidents that occurred years earlier, are released as part of the church's annual audits.)
Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it's closer to one in 5. But in either case, the rate of abuse by Catholic priests is not higher than these national estimates. The public also doesn't realize how "profoundly prevalent" child sexual abuse is, adds Smith. Even those numbers may be low; research suggests that only a third of abuse cases are ever reported (making it the most underreported crime). "However you slice it, it's a very common experience," Smith says.
Most child abusers have one thing in common, and it's not piety—it's preexisting relationships with their victims. That includes priests and ministers and rabbis, of course, but also family members, friends, neighbors, teachers, coaches, scout leaders, youth-group volunteers, and doctors. According to federal studies, three quarters of abuse occurs at the hands of family members or others in the victim's "circle of trust." "The fundamental premise here is that those who abuse children overwhelmingly seek out situations where they have easy and legitimate access to children," he said. "These kinds of positions offer a kind of cover for these offenders."
Priests may also appear more likely to molest children because cases of abuse come to light in huge waves. One reason is delayed reporting: less than 13 percent of victims abused between 1960 and 1980, for example, lodged a complaint in the same year as the assault. Two thirds filed their complaints after 1992, and half of those were made between 2002 and 2003 alone. "Offenders tend to be manipulative, often persuading children to believe that this is their fault," said Allen. "As a result, the children tend to keep it to themselves. There are countless victims who thought they were the only one." So what looks like high concentrations of abuse may simply reflect long and diffuse patterns of abuse that mirror those among all males.
Another reason is that the church has historically been bad at punishing (or preventing) molesters, so that many cases might come to light when just one priest is finally exposed. A single predator priest with ongoing access to children might be responsible for an immense raft of abuse cases. (Marie Fortune of the Faith Trust Institute , which focuses on clerical-abuse issues, says Roman Catholics tend "to have many more schools and other programs that involve children." "Plenty of other congregations have these problems, for instance, if they have a youth ministry.") That helps explain the 200 children who were abused at a school for the deaf. It didn't happen because the school was full of rapists; it happened because one man was never stopped. Overall, the John Jay study found that 149 priests were responsible for more than 25,000 cases of abuse over the 52-year period studied.
Allen suggests a final reason we hear so much more about Catholic abuse than transgressions in other religions: its sheer size. It's the second largest single denomination in the world (behind Islam) and the biggest in the United States. (Fifty-one percent of all American adults are Protestant, but they belong to hundreds of different denominations .) "When you consider the per capita data," says Allen, "I don't think they have a larger incidence than other faiths."
That's a very interesting fact I hadn't considered. Risk is measured about as objectively as anything can be because the company' s money is on the line.
The church's long history of hiding and cover-ups of pedophile priests and nuns including ignoring claims, moving pedophiles to another diocese where they had a whole new group of victims, hiding them in retirement homes, shipping them out of the country was a level of criminal enterprise that should have brought RICO charges against them since it went to the highest levels of the RCC.
They have conspired with lawyers, state legislatures and governors in SD to pass laws that exempted hundreds of victims from suing the RCC and that law was passed in 2011 and is enforced every year.
Your trying to compare others to the RCC is a joke. How many of the other organizations have killed the children in their care? In Canada it was at least 6,000 the number is finally being counted in the US with a new Secretary of Interior. How about Central and South America?
Wonder all you want, the answer lies in prejudice against pedophiles and those that protect them. Pretty damn simple.
Child sexual abuse committed by Catholic priests is literally a drop in the bucket of the total number of child sexual abuse cases.I don't expect you to and knowledge that or do anything with it but it is the truth
as far as what was done to Native American children it was horrible and terrible and it's lasting disgrace to the Catholic Church, but when people comment on the issue of child sexual abuse, and even here at newstalkers ,it is always about the Catholic Church and never about anyone else , and its just not an accurate way to put it
The Vast Vast Majority Of Child Sexual Abuse Shock Value Involves The Catholic Church
… because it’s ten times as horrific.
That is a ridiculous comment
I guess it’s just not shocking to you that some people pretend to believe in god just to gain access to kids for their own sexual gratification.
What about all the child sexual abuse that is committed by people that don't believe in any religion at all?
It's not a religious issue
What about them? They are despicable too, but at least they have not gone to the extreme of parading around as a servant of an all-seeing god to gain access to their victims.
There is ten times more child sexual abuse in any given year in the United states that has been alleged against Catholic priests over the course of 80 years being studied.
And yet all we hear about is the Catholic Church and the Catholic priests. why?
Because it is more shocking, particularly for those parents who trusted them because of their religious affiliation. It is inconceivable that someone can devote everything about their lives to an almighty god and simultaneously sexually abuse children in front of said almighty god. The same cannot be said for a teacher, coach, babysitter, etc.
that is simply a matter of opinion. Kids and parents look for guidance for their children in many walks of life including the clergy.
The majority of child sexual abuse occurs within the family structure are you trying to say that kids respect the authority of clergy more than they do of their own parents or family
I’m saying that anyone can lie about their faith and devotion to god, but when a member of the clergy does it it is far more shocking. They have basically devoted their secretly unholy lives to preying on kids in the last place anyone would think to look for them, going to the extent of masquerading as a member of the church and deriving their whole support system from it. It’s beyond extreme and the most loathsome act imaginable.
Do you have access to empirical data that shows that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religions or from other groups of men who have access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches, scout leaders, etc).
The Church has admitted it themselves. You might want to read this:
I don't see such an admission in that article, maybe I missed it.
What is confrontational about this? Why is there an explicit 'case' of whataboutism occurring with this? All (or most) of it is true. And from my perspective, the church has the least protection for its past perspective or past actions on this. And J. R. I can sympathize with the Catholic Church. But since the RCC has for eons set in judgement of others. . . they (church leadership) have created deep-seated feelings toward themselves. Much like Rightwing evangelicals are doing in corrupting themselves and their 'mission' with standing for a twisted monster like Donald Trump, while condemning the world 'outside.'
And I want to be clear and open because I can be: I am conflicted not on how I feel about the topic; but about an appearance of taking you on as I thoroughly and actually enjoy your efforts here.
But, this is not a case for whataboutism, in my opinion. The Catholic Church needs to right itself on this hot-topic - it needs to repent, go another way, and seek true forgiveness for its sinful past on account of it. Do this once and for all: Thoroughly and 'utterly' answer all 'comers' on the topic-honestly. Sunlight is a known disinfectant and can make the Church clean inslde.
The Church, all who profess to speak for God, should be light in a dark world. That statement speaks volumes about itself!
It is half-measures that keep setting aside 'embers' that fan into flames every few years, because of delay in owning what occurred. The RCC should repent wholly of this sin and either own it or rebuke it but not defend standing 'pat.'
I read it, and found nothing that changes the pooint that I made to Hal.
I don't think you get the point on this , but that's fine. I'm not here to argue with any one one individual about this.
Some folks aren’t data driven.
I find it simply extraordinary that you and others comment like you know what has happened and defend the RCC with the ''' They did it too'' or ''we aren't as bad''. For Christ's sake, learn about what actually happened around the world with the RCC and indigenous peoples.
You and another NT member keep going back to the other did it, I'm well aware of that and have never said or insinuated that wasn't the case. I've made it clear that I'm speaking about the RCC and Indians, nothing else, on NT and I have called out other organizations including the US government on this matter so your comments to me are not only uninformed but insulting as well. That said, educate yourself about this before commenting or pontificating to me about it.
As to the question about the RCC admitting that guilt, they did and it was Pope Francis so I would guess that you would believe him, yes?
To expand on the ''and some died.'' it was close to 6,000 that died from the records obtained by the ''Truth and Reconciliation Committee'' and they still are trying to get the RCC and other groups to release all records of the Residential Schools.
Would like like a description as to how they died?
Now, if we could get Pope Francis to apologize to NA's from the US for the ''Indian Boarding Schools'' it would be a start or an apology from the government both of which Canada has done.
I have been on and worked with groups in the US and Canada regarding the schools for many years so I really don't need you or anyone else to try to tell me how this went down or what the facts are, it's personal knowledge for me.
Yes, when persons of authority like youth leaders, doctors, teachers, police, pastors and priests abuse the authority that was given them by government, organizations or churches society is doubly offended! As we should be...
I have been on newstalkers since 2011 and take my word for it, there has rarely been the article or even comments about sexual abuse by youth leaders, doctors, teachers, and police. Yet Catholic priests are mentioned every time the subject comes up.
John,
We all know that there is sexual abuse by people who care for children, but the issue is that the organization that is the church did the cover up. People don't hate people who are Catholics.
Perrie, they all cover it up.
I read one study that found teachers as the profession with the largest percentage of child sexual abusers.
Since the discussion has broaden itself, I could go you one 'better' in a sarcastic sense, but the point is seriously grave: I am deeply offended by the stories coming out of the "Holy Land" where God's people are supposed to be 'better' than they are and are found 'wanting.' There are gross stories of rape coming out-awful stories of sex, violence, torture, sexual mayhem, and death.
From my perspective, it has changed for life how I see the 'branding' of a holy land in the Middle East!
(I had to drop this here, because I strongly feel people who 'wear the cloth' or brand themselves 'holy and set apart' should not commit willful rape or sexual violence and sexual mayhem on others.)
cbs news report on public schools covering up child sex abuse
Pledge of Silence: Sex Abuse and Cover-Up in America's Schools | CBS Reports - CBS News
www.businessinsider.com /sexual-abuse-schools-inappropriate-student-teacher-relationship-predators-2023-12
Sexual abuse in schools is a hidden epidemic
Matt Drange 44-55 minutes 12/21/2023
The documents began arriving last fall, first in a trickle, then a flood. Emoji-filled text messages from teachers, handwritten complaints from students in the rounded script of teenage girls, type-written transcripts from HR investigations. Eventually, thousands of pages from disciplinary files of educators investigated for sexual misconduct made their way to my desk.
They documented grooming and groping, the sharing of dick pics and porn, sexualized comments in classrooms, oral sex in bathrooms, and statutory rape that in some cases continued for years. In case after case, from San Francisco, California, to Enosburg Falls, Vermont, the documents conveyed an unsettling story: school administrators across the United States catastrophically failing to prevent abuse.
In April 2019, administrators at Utah's Salt Lake City School District learned that a language-arts teacher had been arrested and charged with seven felonies involving sexual abuse of a 17-year-old student. Records show they responded promptly, putting the teacher, Sterrett Oney Neale, on paid leave.
But more than a year before the arrest, in August 2017, an administrator at the school, West High, had reported seeing Neale alone with the student in his classroom before the start of the school year, according to subsequent court testimony . When administrators told Neale to stop spending time alone with her, the teenager said in court, she defended him — something a trained investigator would know is common in cases of grooming. In the records released to me by the district, there's no documentation of a formal investigation at that time.
The student's testimony, offered during a preliminary hearing in Neale's ongoing criminal trial, made clear that the classroom encounter was a red flag. She described how Neale had been a source of support as she was grieving the death of her grandmother and how he'd helped her report abuse she'd experienced at the hands of another teacher during summer camp. How Neale directed her in school plays and even advised her on a research paper about the psychological effects of child sexual abuse. And how he then kissed and touched her in that same classroom, which led to months of sexual encounters at his home.
A former Salt Lake City student testifies about the day an administrator saw her alone in a classroom with her teacher, Sterrett Oney Neale. It turned out to be a missed opportunity to halt months of sexual abuse. Salt Lake City District CourtThe district allowed Neale to voluntarily resign at the end of the school year — and paid his salary through the end of his contract that August. (Neale's attorney declined to comment.)
I came across another disturbing case from several years ago in Durham County, North Carolina. There, a student at Neal Middle School said her chorus teacher, Troy Logan Pickens, had groped her. (She only disclosed later, in high school, that he'd raped her.) An interim principal, James Key, didn't open an investigation until the child's mother got involved, and even then, according to a subsequent civil suit that settled out of court, failed to report the groping allegation to law enforcement or child protective services, as required by state law. Instead, Key allowed Pickens to resign, paving the way for him to continue teaching.
Neal Middle School in Durham, North Carolina, where a student reported that her teacher, Troy Logan Pickens, had groped her. He was later convicted of rape. Andrea Bruce for Business InsiderMonths later, Pickens applied for another teaching job, in nearby Wake County. He landed the job thanks in part to a positive review from Key, who, according to the civil suit, shared nothing about his misconduct investigation. (Key did not respond to requests for comment.)
Before long, Pickens sexually abused a student at the new school. The methodical assaults in a school bathroom, detailed in court records, included digital penetration and forced fellatio. The student only came forward about the abuse two years later, after Pickens was arrested for raping the student back at Neal.
Just as in Durham County, the Wake County district allowed Pickens to resign.
Hundreds of Rosemeads
Earlier this year, I explored how the culture of a single Southern California high school — my alma mater, Rosemead High — became a stalking ground for child predators . I spent years trying to get to the heart of what went wrong there, first with an investigation into my former journalism teacher Eric Burgess and then, after receiving a flood of tips about other Rosemead teachers, by detailing 40 years of sexual abuse and misconduct . The more I uncovered, the more I began to wonder whether Rosemead was unique. Or whether a broader lens would reveal similar patterns of behavior elsewhere.
No federal agency tracks teacher sexual misconduct. So I requested disciplinary records and severance agreements from the 10 largest school districts in all 50 states, as well as license revocations from every state's department of education.
Opposition to disclosing these records was fierce. In several states, including Alabama, Iowa, and Virginia, their largest districts refused to release any records. Many districts demanded prohibitive sums of money to fulfill requests. The Hawaii Department of Education asked for $75,060. The Katy Independent School District in Texas wanted $125,352. Lincoln Public Schools in Nebraska invoiced $243,836.
Other districts never provided records, even places such as Alaska's Bering Strait School District, where multiple teachers have been criminally convicted in recent years for abusing students. "Nothing is digital, so it is tedious research," a district official told me. Some, such as Springfield Public Schools in Massachusetts, argued that releasing records would be an "invasion of the teachers' privacy outweighing any possible right of the public to know."
A district official said Ben Franklin Career Center in Dunbar, West Virginia, was never asked for the personnel file of Kevin Dean Neal, a teacher who was later convicted of sexually abusing a student at his next school. Maddie McGarvey for Business InsiderIn the end, we received more than 800 disciplinary files from 85 school districts in 34 states. Many of the records were partially redacted or incomplete, but 388 files included enough detail to determine they were related to sexual misconduct with students. We also obtained more than 3,700 teacher severance agreements. We supplemented these documents with teacher union contracts, court and law-enforcement records, a database of news coverage of educator arrests, and a review of employee policies from the largest school districts in every state to see what behavior they do — and don't — prohibit.
Taken together, the tens of thousands of pages of records, combined with interviews with school administrators, state investigators, liability-insurance reps, lawyers, and academic experts, indicate that there may be hundreds of Rosemead Highs across the country — and provide a window into how abuse has been allowed to fester.
A national panic about child "groomers" has dominated public discourse in the past two years, sparking hundreds of school book bans targeting LGBTQ content and a dozen state bills criminalizing drag performances for children. But only four state legislatures have taken steps during the same two years to block documented predators from continued access to children.
The scope of the problem is larger than previously known. At least 1,895 teachers have had adverse action taken against their credential by state education licensing boards from 2017 to 2022 for sexual misconduct, according to data collected by the nonprofit National Association of State Directors of Teacher Education and Certification, or NASDTEC. The figure, provided exclusively to Business Insider, is almost certainly an undercount, as many states do not report details of why a credential was suspended or revoked.
We also analyzed a database of local news stories collected by Billie-Jo Grant, a leading researcher on sexual abuse in schools, and her students at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and found that at least 3,045 school staffers have been arrested since 2017 following allegations of sexual misconduct involving students. This includes both licensed teachers and noncredentialed staff, from janitors to teachers' aides.
Despite the frequency of the abuse, we found a fragmented approach to accountability that leaves oversight largely in the hands of administrators at each of the 13,000 school districts in the United States. They are in turn governed by a patchwork system of state laws.
The documents we obtained lay bare the life cycle of sexual abuse in schools, documenting how administrators and policymakers have failed students at every turn:
A third of districts we examined have threadbare policies that bar sexual misconduct but do not prohibit widely recognized sexual grooming behaviors.
District officials often conduct cursory investigations, sometimes interviewing only the accused educator before finding claims unsubstantiated.
Districts routinely mete out mild sanctions such as reprimands or suspensions, and they often allow teachers who engaged in abuse to resign or retire. Only 15% of the cases we analyzed resulted in termination.
Legislators have failed to keep abusers from moving on to other schools; only 17 states and Washington, DC, require districts to disclose information to prospective employers about an allegation, investigation, resignation, or termination related to teacher sexual misconduct.
A culture of silence dominates, with widespread use of nondisclosure clauses in severance agreements and strict union confidentiality language protecting teacher personnel files.
The only national database that tracks teachers who've lost their license in the wake of sexual misconduct is voluntary and nonpublic; state credentialing agencies all participate, but just 2% of school districts opt in.
"The bottom line," Grant said, "is that we've collectively valued the reputations of teachers over the safety of students."
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I had a relative (deceased now so no follow-up can happen) who once stated that for Catholic priests celibacy for life is a problem. And for some people daring to try to live a life of celibacy can be/is a problem. And yes, we see the problem occurring with married persons who can not/discover how hard it is to keep a lifetime vow to deny their flesh its needs. . . not just for a period. . . but for an 'eternity.' (There are all sorts of phases in life that a young person/any person will encounter that will test them emotionally and physically-up to and including hormonal.)
Celibacy, obviously is not for just anybody.
The important problem for pedophiles is they have no legitimacy in our society. None. They have not petitioned for it; have not received it; and, may not be granted it easily or with difficulty.
When and wherever a pedophile is discovered or revealed as a crime; s/he will be condemned post haste.
That is just the way it is - until it is not the way it is.
One more thing: Something just 'dropped' into my spirit: No one is suggesting that every or even the majority of altar boys. . . have been victimized by pedophiles in a church setting. No not all. For if such was the case it would be an impossible number to fathom and/or explain from the Church's perspective. That said, less than 1 percent is quite a lot of individuals.