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Donald Trump's Wild New Debate Claim Has People Saying, Hmm OK

  
Via:  John Russell  •  one month ago  •  42 comments


Donald Trump's Wild New Debate Claim Has People Saying, Hmm OK
 

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F ormer President Donald Trump drew mockery for suggesting he may purposefully lose the first 2024 presidential debate to President Joe Biden to ensure that Biden isn’t removed from the Democratic ticket.

CNN will host   the first Biden-Trump debate   in Atlanta on June 27.

During   an interview with Steve Gruber   for the right-wing Real America’s Voice on Thursday, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Trump once again baselessly claimed Biden will be fed ”a lot of stuff” before the debate and once again called on the candidates to undergo drug tests beforehand.

Watch from the 9:30 mark here:




The talk turned to the possibility of Biden being replaced as the Democratic candidate, which Trump said he didn’t want to happen.

“Well, you know, interestingly, they’ve done polling, and I do better against almost everybody,” said Trump.

“And so they don’t want to take him off,” he continued. “Maybe I’m better off losing the debate. I’ll make sure he stays. I’ll lose the debate on purpose. Maybe I’ll do something like that.” 



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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JohnRussell    one month ago

Typical Trump set up for the "win win" scenario. If he wins the debate he will claim all glory. If he loses he will say he lost on purpose.  It is pathetic, but then so is MAGA. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
If he loses he will say he lost on purpose.  It is pathetic, but then so is MAGA. 

His extreme narcissism requires nothing less from him.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

What 'stuff' are they feeding him? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    one month ago

excuse me 'lot(s) of stuff'

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
2  TᵢG    one month ago

Worse is how many people will take this utter bullshit and run with it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
3  Tacos!    one month ago

He did this shit in 2016 and 2020, when he was saying - before the elections - that any election he would lose had to be rigged. If the media says he lost the debate, he’ll call it fake news, and all the experts he has spoken to say he really won. If the polls say he lost the debate, he’ll say the polls are rigged. In either event - and even if he wins the debate - he’ll say the debate, the questions, and the moderation were all rigged against him.

When will people wake up to how deeply full of shit this maniac is?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @3    one month ago

IMO those who intend to vote for Trump (and that includes those who deny they will vote for him) do not care what he has done or will do.   They will vote for the GOP nominee no matter what.   And 2024 has demonstrated that they will stoop lower than I ever thought possible (by far).

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.1    one month ago

I dont think Trump is going to debate. He is too afraid the moderators will ask him about what Liz Cheney called "the greatest dereliction of duty by a president in the history of the country"  -  that question is what was he doing on the afternoon of Jan 6th 2021. 

He has no viable answer, and it is too much risk to him to have 75 million people learn that. He will say he's not going to debate because Biden was not given a drug test. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1    one month ago

Exactly how do you know who people will vote for?

I wish I was as clairvoyant as you!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    one month ago

Trump will simply lie.   In this case I would not be surprised if he would simply attack Liz Cheney with lines like ("she has been kicked out of office and out of the GOP because she is dishonestly obsessed with "Get Trump".

Lying is a great weapon if one has gullible people who will believe whatever lie he spews.   And Trump has 10s of millions of same in his cult.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    one month ago
Exactly how do you know who people will vote for?

Again, this is obvious.   

If someone constantly rails on Biden and almost never criticizes Trump (and then when offering examples of bad for Trump merely mentions that Trump is unpresidential and calls people names — entirely ignoring the fact that Trump is the only PotUS in our history who tried to steal a presidential election via fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement ... convicted felon,  ... ) and who has a history of almost entirely pro-GOP comments including many defending Trump, it is incredibly easy to see that this individual is likely to vote for Trump in spite of claims to the contrary.

In short, it is not credible for someone to claim they will not vote for Trump when their comments are almost always anti-Biden sprinkled with a few mild criticisms of Trump.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.4    one month ago

ok, I get it, you KNOW exactly how people will vote based on comments on a forum.

Quite a talent!

Maybe Biden's campaign could use them!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.5    one month ago
ok, I get it, you KNOW exactly how people will vote based on comments on a forum.

Always leaping to the extreme instead of dealing with what was actually written.

The word "likely" in my answer @3.1.4 is operative.   As with anything in life, absolute certainty is rare.   We typically operate on what is most likely.   I described how one could determine most likely based on a large corpus of comments.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.6    one month ago

post 3.1 is pretty definitive. Doesn't mention likely, or perhaps, or possibly, or even maybe. you claimed something then are trying to change it.

IMO those who intend to vote for Trump (and that includes those who deny they will vote for him) do not care what he has done or will do.   They will vote for the GOP nominee no matter what.   And 2024 has demonstrated that they will stoop lower than I ever thought possible (by far).

Not interested in revisions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.7    one month ago

Those who intend to vote for Trump is the set of people on whom I was opining.   By definition, those who intend to vote for Trump intend to vote for Trump.   So right off the bat you are off track. 

And @3.1 starts off with IMO ...

That is because I was opining.   It is my opinion that those who would vote for Trump, at this stage, do not care what has done and will vote for him as the GOP nominee.

Now if you think "in my opinion" (aka IMO) means that what follows is a statement of certainty, then you are failing to properly read clear English.   Not my problem.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.8    one month ago

Nope, not buying the spin.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.4    one month ago
If someone constantly rails on Biden and almost never criticizes Trump and who has a history of almost entirely pro-GOP comments including many defending Trump, it is incredibly easy to see that this individual is likely to vote for Trump in spite of claims to the contrary.
In short, it is not credible for someone to claim they will not vote for Trump when their comments are almost always anti-Biden sprinkled with a few mild criticisms of Trump.

Interesting theory/opinion.  Of course that seems to assume they are lying when they are saying they won't vote for Trump.  Any theory as to why someone voting for Trump would feel the need to lie about it on an anonymous site like NT?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.10    one month ago
Interesting theory/opinion

Everyone has one!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.10    one month ago
Any theory as to why someone voting for Trump would feel the need to lie about it on an anonymous site like NT?

My hypothesis is that they want to sidestep having to defend their vote and want the ability to claim "I did not vote for him" should he win.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.12    one month ago

Your hypothesis would make more sense if the folks you are talking about didn't have the ability to do what you think they will do already.

As it is, anyone can claim what they want, shooting down your hypothesis.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.13    one month ago

Someone lying does not shoot down a hypothesis.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.14    one month ago

your hypothesis makes no sense then, in fact, you are relying on people lying.

Like I said, it just doesn't make sense.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.16  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.15    one month ago

Good grief, some are ultra obsessed with your vote.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.17  JBB  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.16    one month ago

Are you voting Trump? Is being called a, "MAGA", an insult?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.18  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.14    one month ago

If it lies like a MAGA and it's dumb as a MAGA and it is trolling a basically conservative voter on the Internet with its MAGA shit

It is a MAGA! Regardless of if it votes, or is even eligible to vote!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.1.19  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.12    one month ago
My hypothesis is that they want to sidestep having to defend their vote and want the ability to claim "I did not vote for him" should he win.

Interesting.  That assumes they would feel the need to defend their vote with anything other than I want Trump more than I want Biden or lie about voting for him if he won.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.16    one month ago

Maybe those so interested can't control it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.19    one month ago

It assumes that defending a vote for Trump is difficult to do with an honest, factual argument. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.1.22  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.17    one month ago
Is being called a, "MAGA", an insult?

Not really,  It is just the new Racist, Nazi, Fascist.  I am looking forward to what is next when the people calling the names realize no one cares.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.21    one month ago

your whole hypothesis falls flat if Trump wins 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.22    one month ago
Not really,  It is just the new Racist, Nazi, Fascist.  

Spot on.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.1.25  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.21    one month ago

Other than they like his policies more and think he is better for the country with all things being considered and importance given to each attribute (good and bad).  That would be an honest factual argument even if you don't agree or like it.  The issue seems to come accepting the answer even though nothing else need be given.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.25    one month ago

Acceptance seems to be sorely lacking.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.27  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.23    one month ago

Explain how.   

Start with the actual hypothesis:

TiG@3.1.12My hypothesis is that they want to sidestep having to defend their vote and want the ability to claim "I did not vote for him" should he win.

Now explain how Trump's winning causes my hypothesis to 'fall flat'.

Here is a clue.   If Trump wins and then does something unpopular (or incredibly stupid) those who voted for Trump (but lied that they were not going to vote for Trump) can now claim (based on their lie):  "I did not vote for Trump".

See?   One can vote for Trump and excuse oneself from defending anything bad that happens if Trump is elected based on the lie:  "I did not vote for Trump".

Okay, let's see your explanation.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.25    one month ago

There is a point where promised policies are less important than the person in charge.   Trump has far surpassed that point.    Those who completely disregard the integrity, behavior, responsibility, sense-of-duty, and character of the person (Trump) and focus only on the promise of policies are being irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.   

Further, by now most people should understand that promises by Trump are as worthless as his university.

And yes, that is my opinion ... to address your predictable response.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.27    one month ago

already did, won't again.

sometimes acceptance comes hard.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.1.30  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.28    one month ago
that is my opinion

And you are welcome to it.[]

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.31  Gazoo  replied to  JBB @3.1.17    one month ago

Are you voting Trump?”

That’s none of your fucking business.

“Is being called a, "MAGA", an insult?”

it doesn’t really matter, i expect insults from like-minded people.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.30    one month ago

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Gazoo
Junior Silent
3.1.33  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.20    one month ago

Maybe those so interested can't control it.”

It’s beyond obsession. It’s become creepy. That dead horse is now a bloody blob of pulp.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.34  JBB  replied to  Gazoo @3.1.31    one month ago

Well alrighty then, the plain difference between us is that I wholeheartedly support President Biden for reelection and will proudly cast my vote for Biden / Harris on November 5th! 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Senior Guide
3.1.35  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.32    one month ago

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