GOP lawmakers have plans to go a step further, announcing a resolution that will declare June as "Family Month,"

Any celebration that is really just aimed at attacking someone else’s celebration is not worthy of our respect.

So I’m for a Family month, but not if it’s only there to give the finger to LGBT people.

L, G, and B were just fine, being natural inclinations present at birth that manifests as an individual matures.

Then they had to add the T which is an acquired emotional condition in almost all cases.

I can't understand why it is important to display one's sexual orientation. 

L, G, and B were just fine

Unless we’re naming Navy ships.

Then they had to add the T which is an acquired emotional condition in almost all cases.

Even if true. So what? They don’t deserve to be treated with dignity and respect? They deserve to be judged and controlled by other people? Or by government?

I can't understand why it is important to display one's sexual orientation.

Straight people have been doing that forever. They wear wedding rings. They walk around holding hands or kissing in public. They bring pictures of their spouse to work. We have endless TV shows and movies celebrating their straight relationships and sex lives.

But if you’re gay, then you’re shoving it in people’s faces.

Scott Bessent is conflicted about this. 

"By recognizing June as Family Month, we reject the lie of 'Pride' and instead honor God's timeless and perfect design.

You stupid twat not everybody "celebrates" your god.

I'm good with Family Month, tho. Plenty of non-traditional families in America. But don't go thinking that "traditional" marriage is the end all be all especially when you've got a POTUS who's been married 3 times and cheated on all of them. You gonna call that family values?

I'm good with Family Month, tho. Plenty of non-traditional families in America.

Well said.

Yeah, I’d actually like to see some celebration of the many different manifestations of “family.” I did not grow up in a “traditional” house.

But doing it just to stick it to the queers is petty, childish, and mean.

"June will now be dedicated to commemorating women and celebrating their struggle for, and achievement of, equal educational opportunity.

Hold the MFing phone.

Trump’s administration has spent four months erasing women. NASA’s website was ordered to remove mention of women and their contributions. The Pentagon deleted references to women. Arlington Cemetery has deleted references to women. The Air Force, the State Department, Department of Education. I could go on. Women have been scrubbed from websites and internal documents across the federal government.

But NOW you want to celebrate women???

Bullshit. You just want to crap on trans people.

Trump’s administration has spent four months erasing women.

Exactly.

Wait.... hang on..... 

Oh.  Maybe not.

So the stuff I listed didn’t happen?

Be great if you could back it up somehow. Should be easy since you have all the bases covered on what happened. And please, do spare us all the bleeding heart, virtue signaling so present in today's "easy way out is to forget it" world.

Speaking of bleeding heart virtue signaling, did you read the other day about those morons in Minneapolis the other day? Seems there were actually 8 such raids that day and the one the dumbasses were protesting at, was a money laundering/drug bust and NOT totally an ICE raid. Nice bunch of totally prepared fools.

So the stuff I listed didn’t happen?

So your claim about "erasing women" is a bit silly.  

Haven't you kept up to date with all the Title IX stuff that's been going on. This adoration of trans idiots has gone far enough, to wit......

PRESS RELEASE: DFI Files Federal Civil Rights Complaint Against NY School District as Male Student Switches Gender Identity Throughout the Day and Uses Girls’ Locker Room, Bathrooms - Defense of Freedom Institute

"The male student is a member of the boys’ track and field team. Despite competing as a male, attending boys’ track meets, and wearing a boys’ team uniform, the student, who identifies as a girl during the school day, has regularly entered the girls’ locker room fully dressed to watch female athletes change. On at least four occasions, female students reported to school officials that the boy had stood and stared as they undressed and had even approached them and attempted to engage them in conversation"

Be great if you could back it up somehow.

I easily can. Are you challenging me? Have you not learned by now what a dumb idea that is? Maybe try googling something I wrote [deleted][✘]

The erasures of mentions of women and their achievements from web sites and other official documents are literally true. Will you acknowledge that? Or are you going to challenge me to prove it as well? I’m happy to embarrass more than one person at a time, if you people insist on it, but I’d prefer to just acknowledge facts and have a grown up discussion about their significance.

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I’ll take that as a “no,” Good day, then.

The erasures of mentions of women and their achievements from web sites and other official documents are literally true.

As are the appointment of eight women to cabinet level positions.  

I’m happy to embarrass more than one person at a time,

In addition to yourself?  Ambitious.

You're trying to pretend that ending DEI bullshit is the same as "erasing women".  

Because naturally, a key step in "erasing" a group of people is to appoint one as your Chief of Staff....  Do you hear yourself?

It's melodramatic nonsense. It's exponentially more nonsensical when they're appointing women to multiple key positions of power within the administration.

Keeping up? You’ve got an online press release from a far right group alleging that they are joining some case filed by a parent, and I’m supposed to have some response to this? I’m supposed to treat the summary you offer as fact?

If you look around this site, you will see that I hold positions of trans athletes that are quite moderate. I find that these cases come with very individualized, specific circumstances and cannot all be judged alike. However, nothing justifies disrespecting or humiliating this population as a general policy.

Seattle down and act civil. [X][✘]

By your logic, it’s ok to cheat on your wife on Monday, as long as you buy her dinner on Tuesday.

DFI? Classic Right Wing whackos leaning on several Federalist extremists for their legitimacy.

You may as well be quoting "X" or the National Enquirer.

Quite a few military firsts by females and minorities have been removed from government websites and all military teaching material.

I have a close friend who has literally been disappeared from NASA history and the USN archives.

We are inching towards fascism at the top.

when they're appointing women to multiple key positions of power within the administration.

Oh come on.  These people aren't necessarily qualified like the Sec EDU /s, they are just absolute bootlickers many who just happen to very attractive...

There wouldn't be women or men like Marco Rubio assigned to three or four positions if the leadership had put even the standard modicum of effort put in by the last 40 years of Administrations except for the two Trump debacles.  How many of the nominees have been withdrawn during both Trump Administrations for lack of support even from the GOP.

This isn't normal and trying to equate what is going on is fair and based on their abilities is quite a strectch.

As are the appointment of eight women to cabinet level positions. 

In the Trump administration, personal loyalty to Trump is more important than all other considerations. I don’t consider his appointments an expression of his respect for women.

Then he is a fool and should be brought up on charges and/or suspended. People's lives are involved in this, and nonsense and mockery has no place in this!

Trans-people are serious about their condition, and this dude is clowning around. Perhaps, his team mates can teach him the proper attitude to take towards this!

You're trying to pretend that ending DEI bullshit is the same as "erasing women".  

I take exception to your mention of DEI as bullshit. So back it up. Where is DEI enacted wrongly? Please proceed. . . .  Let's 'talk'!

There wouldn't be women or men like Marco Rubio assigned to three or four positions if the leadership had put even the standard modicum of effort put in by the last 40 years of Administrations except for the two Trump debacles.  How many of the nominees have been withdrawn during both Trump Administrations for lack of support even from the GOP. This isn't normal and trying to equate what is going on is fair and based on their abilities is quite a strectch.

Then there will be the "classic" fall-out: Burn out. Rubio may feel "chic' and sophisticated now, but over time he will come to resent the president who abused his work ethic through overtasking. All just to prove a point: Rubio is too 'head-swelled' to realize he is being 'used' (and not properly paid either). 

Burn-out is real and inevitable.

We are inching towards fascism at the top

we're not already there/

By your logic, it’s ok to cheat on your wife on Monday, as long as you buy her dinner on Tuesday.

That's just moronic. More melodramatic nonsense.

In the real world, actually putting women in positions of influence is better than ceremonial lip service.

We are inching towards fascism at the top.

That's hilarious.

Oh come on. 

You first.

These people aren't necessarily qualified

The question is about "erasing women".  So do endeavor to explain how putting women in key leadership roles "erases" them.

It's nonsense.

I don’t consider his appointments an expression of his respect for women.

Right. 

So appointing women to high level positions doesn't involve respect for them. 

His Chief of Staff.... let's go over that again.... Chief of Staff... is a woman.  But he doesn't respect her?

I'm asking again... do you hear yourself?    

That's just moronic. More melodramatic nonsense. In the real world, actually putting women in positions of influence is better than ceremonial lip service.

Well, that’s what I think of erasing the contributions of women, people of color, and LGBT people from historical webpages in our government. Moronic. Nonsense. It’s also disrespectful.

The United States is supposed to be a country for all kinds of people, but living that ideal has not always been easy, or even possible. People in the minority have had to really struggle and overcome a lot of bigotry just to have the opportunity to take part in serving America. 

So when black men fight for this country even though they are discriminated against on our streets; and when women are told they need to make babies and cook dinner, but somehow earn the right to be an astronaut or a joint chief, you bet your ass I think it’s worth remembering with some “lip service.”

Especially when that lip service isn’t even making a speech or building a memorial. It’s just a fucking web page. A small thing that costs almost nothing, but gets taken down by petty, bigoted assholes.

And then there is the firing of actually competent female public servants. Does appointing blatantly and objectively incompetent and corrupt people like Linda McMahon or Kristi Noem somehow make up for firing dedicated career public servants like Navy Admiral Lisa Franchetti, Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Linda Fagan, Navy Vice Admiral Shoshana Chatfield, Librarian of Congress Carla Hayden, or Lt. General Jennifer Short?

The difference is McMahon And Noem are dedicated to Trump and whatever he can do for them personally. All the other women were dedicated to their country.

Well, that’s what I think of erasing the contributions of women, people of color, and LGBT people from historical webpages in our government. Moronic. Nonsense. It’s also disrespectful.

It is disrespectful to identify their achievements solely because of their gender, color, or orientation, like that's some sort of disability and we're astonished they were able to overcome it.  It's the official equivalent of "not bad... for a woman".

Especially when that lip service isn’t even making a speech or building a memorial. It’s just a fucking web page. A small thing that costs almost nothing,

So even the people paying lip service didn't really give a shit.   

The difference is McMahon And Noem are dedicated to Trump and whatever he can do for them personally. All the other women were dedicated to their country.

The point is that women haven't been "erased", no matter how much all this upsets you and how far you try to move those goalposts.

Yes.  Trump has appointed loyalists.  He's had 4 years on the sideline, and I'm sure he's spent a lot of that time thinking about what he would have done differently.  On that list would undoubtedly have been "don't appoint cabinet members I can't count on, like Rex Tillerson". 

And before you try to get all high and mighty about other people being "dedicated to their country" as opposed to "dedicated to their president", let's remember that the entire Biden cabinet kept telling us he wasn't senile while defending whatever stupidity was being dictated by whoever was actually in charge. 

It is disrespectful to identify their achievements solely because of their gender, color, or orientation, like that's some sort of disability and we're astonished they were able to overcome it.  It's the official equivalent of "not bad... for a woman".

You did not read.

It is disrespectful to identify their achievements solely because of their gender, color, or orientation, like that's some sort of disability and we're astonished they were able to overcome it.  It's the official equivalent of "not bad... for a woman".

Identifying people's race is not to establish what you state. . . why they heck would you suspect that? I really want you to answer that. Because I have a problem with you taking that direction with your answer. Moreover, who implied that identifying race with achievements is done for its own sake?

It is disrespectful to identify their achievements solely because of their gender, color, or orientation, like that's some sort of disability

Not a disability, specifically. Historically, though, those qualities have been barriers to success. For generations, white males have conspired to inhibit the financial and social success of people who were not white straight Protestant males. So when someone overcomes those barriers, it is not just noteworthy; it is historic. Are you able to acknowledge the basic historical fact of bigotry and discrimination in this country?

And before you try to get all high and mighty about other people being "dedicated to their country" as opposed to "dedicated to their president", let's remember that the entire Biden cabinet kept telling us he wasn't senile while defending whatever stupidity was being dictated by whoever was actually in charge. 

With the exception of the Librarian of Congress, everyone I mentioned was serving in our Armed Forces. That’s how I know their dedication was to country and not some specific President. And the Librarian is a career position anyway. Comparing those people to purely political Cabinet appointments is a false equivalence.

Identifying people's race is not to establish what you state. . . why they heck would you suspect that?

We hear this all the time, along with the allegation that highlighting the success of women, people of color or LGBT people is itself somehow racist or sexist. It’s BS of course.

They know better, but it’s an attempt to reverse the narrative, to project their own bigotry back on to their accusers. i.e., “I’m not the racist, you are.” It’s the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” tactic.

There is a 'mass' of conservatives who live in a well-rehearsed altered reality where aggression is a great offense. I fully understand what these folks are up to and will combat it head on, and always will seek to "drill-down" into their "foundation" of understanding! It hopes of reaching their padlocked and well-patrolled consciences. It will take whatever time it takes to do, and . . . it's not an easy task to endure or accomplish. But "we" must strike with as much precision as we can muster at their hearts. . . with facts that 'prick'!

Identifying people's race is not to establish what you state.

Read it again.  More carefully this time. 

And today's threats against Musk are more indications that Trump is a Fascist. Period 

Watching the Longest Day again yesterday, noting not one black or colored American person in the movie

despite the thousands involved on the sea and land.  Sad.

The women Trump has at the cabinet level aren't there because they are capable, they are there because they are fawning sycophants.  Bondi proves everyday that she is unqualified for the job as does Noem and McMahon.  This isn't America's best.

let's remember that the entire Biden cabinet kept telling us he wasn't senile while defending whatever stupidity was being dictated by whoever was actually in charge. 

OH FFS

We survived Biden's and Reagan's obvious ageing. That horse should be put out to pasture, instead, we have front row seats to the melt down of Donald J Trump, one day at a time, maybe hour by hour on social media because the turnip can't sleep or control himself. 

It is disrespectful to identify their achievements solely because of their gender, color, or orientation, like that's some sort of disability and we're astonished they were able to overcome it.  It's the official equivalent of "not bad... for a woman".

I read it again and so I will give you my perspective. Race indicators of first and foremost achievements is because of the struggle and lengths marginalized and oppressed persons have to go (hoops jump through) to be recognized. For example: Blacks had to get their own awards show, because "Hollywood" was too busy and narrow to find place for the accomplishments of Black Americans. Hispanics likewise. Country music too.  And so forth and so on.

Marginalized citizens stopped asking for notice and recognition from the "institutions" that predominately privilege themselves by turning to observe, recognize, and give their own people something: Hope, appreciation, and celebration.

Furthermore, this nation has a storied record of recognizing 'first' of a kind. . . which needs no long explanation of why it's done. The thing speaks for itself! 

Personal note. I don't know what about your politics seeks to dismiss the awareness of race/relations between the groups in this country, but we have not been in the past a model country of race homogeneity, and marginalized groups have to fight for 'space' in our society and culture or be subsumed by our majority white counterparts.

But, keep asking and I will 'tailor' my responses to give you all the essential insight you may need.

Country music

Great example.

They are all DEI hires. 

Maybe all special months for groups need to be eliminated

AGREED!!

Maybe all special months for groups need to be eliminated

Morgan Freeman called for that a while ago.

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It's a specious argument. Black History Month serves the purpose of making this country mindful of how it treats a specific group of marginalized citizens. Granted, it has a limited impact these days, because (like every 'holiday' or acknowledgement) it has been successful at its goal of AWARENESS. 

The problem with Morgan Freeman's expression of his view in this manner is he is calling an end to Black History Month, when all he, the individual, has to do is ignore the 'awareness' as that is all it is and serves. Nothing specific changes hands during Black History Month or any other awareness event. 

What he does unintentionally is give racists and segregationists a soundbite to hurl and make attempts to quell any awareness or acknowledgement of those whom achievements went unrecognized, forgotten, and in PLENTY cases stolen from our society and even culture.

Granted, our calendar is filling up with acknowledgements, but what is that 'stocking' owed to? It is the fact that our society does not try its best to end racial disharmonies, categorizations,  and marginalization of its diverse peoples. 

As for white history month. . . the 'thought' is superfluous. Whites are the majority in this country, and their history is recognized as a given through the 'whiteness' standard which is permanent and never in any danger of repealing. Now then, should it ever become an issue for our country that "whiteness" is marginalized, in danger of being forgotten, or not acknowledged . . . such a thought can be given proper consideration. As it is right now, white history month is every day of the calendar year. 

Call it what it is. Morgan Freeman is a legendary actor, but even such people (and influencers as he) can be wrong, and "specious" at some point and on some issues.

Black History Month serves the purpose of making this country mindful of how it treats a specific group of marginalized citizens.

I'm sorry.  It doesn't.  

Black History Month primarily serves the purpose of trying to convince black people that other Americans care about their specific struggles.... that we continue to do absolutely nothing about.

If we were "mindful", we'd actually do something beyond watching Tuskegee Airmen or Hidden Figures on Netflix.

 but what is that 'stocking' owed to?

The fact that designating a day/week/month actually works pretty well as a mollifying technique and appeases the group in question without having to actually do anything.

As for white history month. . . the 'thought' is superfluous.

Of course.  Generally speaking, we don't need to be appeased, and those of us that do aren't going to accept token gestures.

What is Black History Month?

Black History Month primarily serves the purpose of trying to convince black people that other Americans care about their specific struggles.... that we continue to do absolutely nothing about.

Look.  It's working.

Are you certain "absolutely nothing" is done about it? After all, 'absolutely" indicates completeness. You have stated it twice now, are you going to go for a third repeat confirmation?

Black History Month primarily serves the purpose of trying to convince black people that other Americans care about their specific struggles.... 

Black History anything exists to let black people know that somewhere, some other black people care enough to produce the books, the films and the TV shows that ratifies their feelings about slavery and being mostly second class citizens for far longer than any white group of immigrants was subjected to before assimilating.

Black people don't need white people to blacksplain Black history for them

that we continue to do absolutely nothing about.

I assume that the "we" are the white people you are speaking for?

I am surprised at that and expected more of you.

Sad.

And not all white people, it's conservative whites at-large that are constantly the source of hinderances, marginalization, and attempts at invalidation of at-large routine and exceptional accomplishments by non-whites. Conservatives at-large want to VALIDATE "us" when they want-they never want!

that we continue to do absolutely nothing about.

Ok, so what is your idea? 

Black History anything exists to let black people know that somewhere, some other black people care enough to produce the books, the films and the TV shows that ratifies their feelings about slavery and being mostly second class citizens for far longer than any white group of immigrants was subjected to before assimilating.

I'm sure you try very hard to convince yourself of that.  The secondary value of lip service is helping white liberals "feel better" about continuing to do absolutely nothing.

Black people don't need white people to blacksplain Black history for them

The irony here is hilarious.

And not all white people, it's conservative whites at-large that are constantly the source of hinderances, marginalization, and attempts at invalidation of at-large routine and exceptional accomplishments by non-whites.

You've made this claim for years.  Yet you can never demonstrate how any white person has hindered, marginalized or otherwise oppressed you.

I will keep making the "claim" when and until it does not exist, Jack. Let's start with this one: Do you support equal pay for women, yes or no?  If yes, then why are you in a party affiliation which does not support equal pay for women? As it relates to this article: What is behind Trump removing recognition of a month as "Pride Month"?

The irony is that conservatives seem to IMAGINE black people need you to tell us what you won't let us tell you so that "you," conservatives can self-correct in regards to it.

Ok, so what is your idea? 

We could start by raising standards in our schools.  When the valedictorian at a HS has a 4.0 gpa, but makes below the national average on her SAT... it's officially a shitshow.

It's nothing short of amazing that various elements of our educational system have not been the subject of multiple class action lawsuits.  White kids have scored 25% higher on college entrance exams for decades.    Now.... either we think that they're somehow inferior or handicapped and need a special section for their achievements.... or we have to acknowledge that our school systems are providing our white students with a better education.

Not that you asked, but the history of this starts back in the mid 1980s with a study from the Carnegie Foundation, the misapplication of which transformed drop out rate into the high holy metric for measuring schools.  Schools do whatever they can to lower dropout rate, including passing kids who know almost nothing. 

If we start measuring schools based on the number of kids who make 90% or better on standardized tests instead of the number of kids they rubber stamp with worthless diplomas, those systems will start to change.

My wife and I were both public school teachers.  After I quit teaching I kept coaching.  Over 30 years, I coached literally thousands of minority kids.  My daughter is now a HS math teacher.  We've all seen this first hand, getting worse over a 4 decade span.

We could follow that by replacing one college counselor in every school with a vocational counselor, and aggressively destroying the current "college or nothing" mentality.  I said in another post that electricians make more than teachers, and far more than sweater folders at WalMart. 

Poor kids in this country are told the ONLY way to a decent life is going to college, and the black boys specifically think the only way to get there is with an athletic scholarship.  If you show these kids an attainable path to a six figure salary by age 30, many of them will jump on it. 

Now they can afford better neighborhoods with better schools.  They can afford to help send their kids to college, med school and law school.  They can travel.  They might have family plumbing or HVAC businesses to hand down.  They can become owners in large numbers, like white people have been for generations.  

I will keep making the "claim" when and until it does not exist, Jack.

Or until you stop imagining it.

Let's start with this one: Do you support equal pay for women, yes or no?

If a woman is worth more than a man, why should her pay be limited? What ridiculous idea.  Are we supposed to limit Taylor Swift's pay so she doesn't make more than Lyle Lovett?  

BTW, for the last 25 years, my highest paid employees have been women, except for 2000-2003 when it was a gay man.  I believe in paying people what they're worth, and I have lived that out for many years.

I don't support mandating equal pay for anyone.  Why would we assume women are some sort of inferior people who need rescuing?  If they are being paid less than they should, they won't have difficulty finding appropriate pay elsewhere.  That's how men do it.  Why should women be treated differently?

  If yes, then why are you in a party affiliation which does not support equal pay for women?

You make assumptions about my party affiliation.  Remember I voted for Biden in 2020 and Oliver in 2024.  

As it relates to this article: What is behind Trump removing recognition of a month as "Pride Month"?

I try very hard to stay away from attempts to explain what goes on in Donald Trump's mind.  I do think he has been in the traditional "pander to the base" early phase we see every president go through.  That said, his erratic thought processes are well established. 

To review the conversation, I mentioned that Morgan Freeman doesn't want black history month, because he sees it as demeaning to black people.  You responded with a (exceedingly idealistic) defense of the concept.

 Personally, I don't care if we keep these designations or not.  Were I black or gay, I would want them gone.  They are impediments to equality.  IMO, they are a modern day Land of the Lotus Eaters, where people are lured by temporary gratification and lose sight of the greater purpose they once valued.  

Let's start with this one: Do you support equal pay for women, yes or no?

If a woman is worth more than a man, why should her pay be limited? What ridiculous idea.  Are we supposed to limit Taylor Swift's pay so she doesn't make more than Lyle Lovett?  

BTW, for the last 25 years, my highest paid employees have been women, except for 2000-2003 when it was a gay man.  I believe in paying people what they're worth, and I have lived that out for many years.

Then you should tell republicans in congress to permit equal pay for women. Case in point: Your anecdotal stories of fairness are "great," but they have nothing to do with the "at-large" condition of women being pay unequally. And, of course, as I am sure you know: Taylor Swift, is an independent businesswoman/CEO, she pays herself and is not the focus of unequal pay for women. It is a false equivalency (and waste of time to have to clarify.)

The irony is that conservatives seem to IMAGINE black people need 

You do know there are black conservatives, right?  You understand it's a growing group, yes?

Then you should tell republicans in congress to permit equal pay for women.

How is it not already permitted?  I just told you I've been doing it for 25 years.  Was I breaking some law?  I filed payroll taxes every quarter on all these people, so the government knew what I was doing.  How come nobody told me to stop?

 the "at-large" condition of women being pay unequally.

Cite some statistics, CB.  Let's see why you think this is happening.

You do know there are black conservatives, right?

Oh, they know, hence the attacks on them by many on the left every time one of them escapes from the democratic plantation. 

Yes, I include them in the mix and yes (as you well know) there are exceptions to every rule! And how the heck can I not see Justice Clarence Thomas, who sits in the seat held before him by a great justice, Thurgood Marshall, figuratively, standing on Marshall's "shoulders" and pissing down his leg. . . .

And, for that matter, I was once a conservative who voted for Reagan and Bush (their first term, respectively). But, I am not one now. Politics is on the spectrum and voters move back and forth appropriately and accordingly. Since you bring up the 'movement' of blacks to Trump. . . you might also observe the grumbling and mumbling that is going on amongst MAGAites that they did not ask for or wish to have all "this" which we are getting from Trump! (It implies they will not be voting republican in the next and potentially succeeding election cycles.)

And how the heck can I not see Justice Clarence Thomas, who sits in the seat held before him by a great justice, Thurgood Marshall, figuratively, standing on Marshall's "shoulders" and pissing down his leg. .

Can you explain that?

Which part? Because the 'seat' is factual, and the pissing is a metaphor.

I don't support mandating equal pay for anyone.  Why would we assume women are some sort of inferior people who need rescuing?  If they are being paid less than they should, they won't have difficulty finding appropriate pay elsewhere.  That's how men do it.  Why should women be treated differently?

That remarks ignores all the data on the failure of congress to pass proper legislation that actually pays women equally. I find it. . . annoying. . . that some don't know the background on this and we have to digress to get you all caught up!  A full-blown discussion on equal pay for women is beyond the scope of this discussion (as it should be)!

In addition, I am pretty sure that women want equal pay because they earn it (it goes without saying), and do not 'want' a man's perspective on what he feels they are worth-when it suggests and intents to cheap them out of proper pay.

You make assumptions about my party affiliation.  Remember I voted for Biden in 2020 and Oliver in 2024.  

Then, act like it.  Your responses are "MAGA-ess."

Personally, I don't care if we keep these designations or not.  Were I black or gay, I would want them gone.  They are impediments to equality.  IMO, they are a modern day Land of the Lotus Eaters, where people are lured by temporary gratification and lose sight of the greater purpose they once valued.  

Since you went personal, so will I. As a Black person and homosexual, I have had the entirety of my life experience ALTERED by the wishes of the Christian church (raised up in it and left it - yet, it is "pervasive" everywhere in making determinations about me and mine), and by the 'wants' of conservatives who can not seem to let us live in peace with them and their straight, heterosexual, married, child-rearing realities. 

So, from the above, you should be able to see that blacks and homosexuals, apart and "joined," have one thing in common conservatives who will not let us alone to just live out our goodness alongside themselves and their "completeness."  It's not too much to ask!

We will just have to wait and see how long it takes conservatives to realize that authoritarianism by its nature won't recognize democracy once it decidedly knocked democracy off it pedestal. Good luck, reactionaries!

Politics is on the spectrum and voters move back and forth appropriately and accordingly.

We have found a point of agreement. 

Since you bring up the 'movement' of blacks to Trump. . . you might also observe the grumbling and mumbling that is going on amongst MAGAites that they did not ask for or wish to have all "this" which we are getting from Trump!

And another.  We'll probably also agree that fervent Trump supporters are overly naive and idealistic.  I would add that fervent supporters of any politician are the same.

That remarks ignores all the data on the failure of congress to pass proper legislation that actually pays women equally.

No.  It opposes that idea. It does not ignore it.

I find it. . . annoying. . . that some don't know the background on this and we have to digress to get you all caught up!

Why would you assume someone is unfamiliar with a common knowledge subject?  

In addition, I am pretty sure that women want equal pay because they earn it (it goes without saying), and do not 'want' a man's perspective on what he feels they are worth-when it suggests and intents to cheap them out of proper pay.

The great thing about all this is that women have exactly the same options as men in that scenario.  No legislation required.

If, for example, Vic and I worked at the same company doing the same job with similar levels of experience, and I learned that Vic made significantly more than I did, I would demand a raise.  If I didn't get one, I'd find another job that paid more.  That scenario happens all the time among men.  In a fantastic stroke of luck, women have exactly the same tools at their disposal.

conservatives who will not let us alone to just live out our goodness alongside themselves

Same question as always, CB.  Who is stopping you from doing what?  Be specific.

I would add that fervent supporters of any politician are the same.

Well, that is just both-side-ism as only one side is presently pushing extremism to its ultimate breaking point: The GOP.  That said, for the sake (additional) agreement, I will join you in stating that extremists are on opposite 'sides' of its spectrum, and each fails the test of desperately needed moderation a democracy requires to be stable.

No.  It opposes that idea. It does not ignore it.

Pettiness over word-choice is not warranted. Please do not 'tinker' with wording merely for its own sake. 

If, for example, Vic and I worked at the same company doing the same job with similar levels of experience, and I learned that Vic made significantly more than I did, I would demand a raise.  If I didn't get one, I'd find another job that paid more.  That scenario happens all the time among men.  In a fantastic stroke of luck, women have exactly the same tools at their disposal.

And what would you do about 'back-pay' or restitution? It is as if you have no 'background' on this ongoing issue for women, especially. It is as if you have never heard about or experienced the "good old boy network" in action. Note that it is a 'network.' Those in the network benefit to the exclusion of other, in this case- women.

Not many women can say they have not experienced it. 

I will let you use your imagination. I have no intention of telling my life story to you as its seems you wont' respect "at-large" discussion of the subject matter. So how would you respect "Me." I responded to you at 5.2.11 and 5.2.23 with information that should aid this discussion (if only to bring "remembrances" of what others have to endure) and your reply to me is on the magnitude of "give me more anecdotal data" - you are not owed that! Take what is given, apply it, and move on informed or as you wish.

Well, that is just both-side-ism

"Both-sides-ism" is a term used by extremists to justify their bias.

Pettiness over word-choice   is not warranted.  Please do not 'tinker' with wording merely for its own sake. 

There is a significant difference between ignoring something and opposing it.  Use the words correctly and there won't be a need to "tinker".

And what would you do about 'back-pay' or restitution?

Why should I be entitled to restitution when I was paid a wage for which I agreed to work?

It is as if you have no 'background' on this ongoing issue for women,  especially .

Refusal to accept the nonsensical far left views on an issue does not indicate a lack of familiarity.  Quite the contrary.

It is as if you have never heard about or experienced the "good old boy network" in action.

This may be the silliest thing you've said in years.

I've owned a business in Texas for nearly 30 years.  And somehow I don't understand the good ol' boy network?  Riiiight.  When you can't even spell it correctly.

What else are you going to suggest I don't understand?  The difference between fajitas and enchiladas?  The difference between Aggies and Longhorns?  Are you about to tell me I don't understand Baptists?  High school football?  100 degree July heat?  Brisket?   C'mon CB.  I can't wait to hear what's next.

Those in the network benefit to the exclusion of other, in this case- women.

You read too much left wing fiction, and it is obviously your only exposure to these issues.

I will let you use your imagination.

Yours has run away so completely I don't think mine could ever keep up.  You seem absolutely committed to the fantasy that conservative white men are the enemy of the galaxy and are weeks away from completion of the Death Star.   

Why should I be entitled to restitution when I was paid a wage for which I agreed to work?

Wage theft, wage discrimination, or unfair wage practices are not only immoral they are illegal (though they happen anyway). Again, you personalize this based on what you 'want' (so you wish to be cheated?); well this is not about you. . . it is about women. . .who deserve and want to be paid for the job they do just as well or better than others and are not.

Stop laboring (so hard) to engage me personally as I could care less about your personal life. Moreover, you can't prove any of it anyway to me. It could all be the imaginings of an internet troll. 

"Good ol' boy" I thought it was something like that will and "e"  on the end. It was a mistype. But no matter-as a black homosexual I would not be invited in to connect anyway. Boy! The things the 'network' must have been up to past; present; future! Just saying. Speaks volumes.

Generally speaking, conservative white men are a vexation to the liberal body 'system.' Hard to live with them; can't balance the country without them!

Wage theft,

If I was paid the wage to which I agreed, how is that wage theft?

wage discrimination, or unfair wage practices are not only immoral they are illegal (though they happen anyway).

Then what are you demanding?  If they're already illegal, why would further action be needed?

well this is not about you. . . it is about women

It's about women already having the exact same rights I do.  A fact you seem desperate to obfuscate.

That's digression. Moving on.

Agree with this. Only group that should be celebrated is active duty, veterans and those that died in military service.

Maybe all special months for groups need to be eliminated

Why? Do you hate when other people have fun?

Why? Do you hate when other people have fun?

No, they just hate other people. 

NO  But it seems some don't want me to have fun 

"There are no plans for a proclamation for the month of June," Leavitt said, "but I can tell you this president is very proud to be a president for all Americans, regardless of race, religion, or creed."

Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Education published a new report Monday declaring that June will now be recognized as "Title IX" Month, in honor of the 53rd anniversary of Title IX of the Educational Amendments (1972) being signed into law.

"June will now be dedicated to commemorating women and celebrating their struggle for, and achievement of, equal educational opportunity. Throughout the month, the Department will highlight actions taken to reverse the Biden Administration's legacy of undermining Title IX and announce additional actions to protect women in line with the true purpose of Title IX," the declaration reads.

Always can count on Trump to divide people as a measure of help.  /s  Let's call it: The No plan-plan.

"June will now be dedicated to commemorating women

Isn't that discriminatory too?

Yes. That is the point I am making: It's a "no plan PLAN" all the same. The stupid fools that love to argue and cause heartache for the marginalized, try to pick "winners" to their liking simply as a tactic to divide people. That is, the same people could care less about women as a group, but will pit them against their counterparts to stir contention and striving. 

It's an old tired tactic, and women, of course, can see through it even if they can't stop it from being executed upon themselves. But, they can speak out about it.

The foolish conservatives are a "royal" group of pain in the. . . toes or whatever you can find to call it. . . they always got to have to be a foil to liberals. As a party, conservatives apparently exist for CONTRAST and CONFLICT with liberals!

DEI..

What LGBTQ "products" were "wiped from the shelves"?

Trump Admin Declares June Is No Longer 'Pride Month'

Why? Other than to be an asshole, why? Who does it hurt? No one, they are just triggered nutters, that's all. 

Because Trump and his fellow MAGAites are selective in what they want the country to APPEAR to be and heavy-handed when acting to make it so. That is, MAGAite politicians are the "right hand" of MAGAite constituents and the 'arm' that seeks to smash liberalism. . . or as they mislabel it: "Socialism."