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Trump Is Calling Up National Guard Troops Under a Rarely Used Law

  
Via:  John Russell  •  last year  •  100 comments

By:   DNyuz

Trump Is Calling Up National Guard Troops Under a Rarely Used Law
Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, said in a statement on Saturday night that Mr. Trump was deploying the National Guard in response to “violent mobs” that she said had attacked federal law enforcement and immigration agents. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X late on Saturday that the Pentagon was “mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY.”

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President Trump took extraordinary action on Saturday by   calling up 2,000 National Guard troops   to quell immigration protests in California, making rare use of federal powers and bypassing the authority of the state’s governor, Gavin Newsom.

It is the first time since 1965 that a president has activated a state’s National Guard force without a request from that state’s governor, according to Elizabeth Goitein, senior director of the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center for Justice, an independent law and policy organization. The last time was when President Lyndon B. Johnson sent troops to Alabama to protect civil rights demonstrators in 1965, she said.


Mr. Newsom, a Democrat, immediately rebuked the president’s action. “That move is purposefully inflammatory and will only escalate tensions,” Mr. Newsom said, adding that “this is the wrong mission and will erode public trust.”

Governors almost always control the deployment of National Guard troops in their states. But the directive signed by Mr. Trump cites   ”10 U.S.C. 12406,”   referring to a specific provision within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. Part of that provision allows the federal deployment of National Guard forces if “there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

It also states that the president may call into federal service “members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws.”

Mr. Trump’s directive said, “To the extent that protests or acts of violence directly inhibit the execution of the laws, they constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”

Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, said in a statement on Saturday night that Mr. Trump was deploying the National Guard in response to “violent mobs” that she said had attacked federal law enforcement and immigration agents. The 2,000 troops would “address the lawlessness that has been allowed to fester,” she said.

Although some demonstrations have been unruly, local authorities in Los Angeles County did not indicate during the day that they needed federal assistance.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said in a post on X late on Saturday that the Pentagon was “mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY.” But he did not say when or where the troops would assemble, or identify their units.

Mr. Trump’s directive authorized the secretary of defense to “employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.” In Mr. Hegseth’s post on X, he said that active duty Marines were “on high alert” at Camp Pendleton, about 100 miles south of Los Angeles, and could also be mobilized.

Protests have occurred   on Friday   and   Saturday   in California to oppose federal immigration raids on workplaces. The latest is unfolding at a Home Depot in Paramount, Calif., about 20 miles south of downtown Los Angeles.

California Democrats have braced for months for the possibility that President Trump would seek to deploy U.S. troops on American soil in this way, particularly in Democratic-run jurisdictions. Privately, they have acknowledged that such a move, absent the state’s agreement, would have profound implications.

Mr. Trump suggested deploying U.S. forces in the same manner during his first term to suppress outbreaks of violence during the nationwide protests over the police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis. He opted against doing so at the time, but he has repeatedly raised the idea of using troops to secure border states.

In 2020, in the final days of Mr. Trump’s first presidential term,   military helicopters were used to rout peaceful protesters   demonstrating against police violence near the White House.

“For the federal government to take over the California National Guard, without the request of the governor, to put down protests is truly chilling,” said Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California, Berkeley. “It is using the military domestically to stop dissent.”

The National Guard was last federalized in 1992, Ms. Goitein said, when   President George H.W. Bush sent troops to Los Angeles   to control riots after police officers were acquitted in the beating of Rodney King. That deployment was requested by the California’s governor at the time, Pete Wilson.

Mr. Trump and his aides have often lamented that not enough was done by Minnesota’s governor to quell protests that followed the death of Mr. Floyd in 2020.

During a campaign rally in 2023, Trump made clear he was not going to hold back in a second term. “You’re supposed to not be involved in that, you just have to be asked by the governor or the mayor to come in — the next time, I’m not waiting,” Mr. Trump said.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

The DICKtator has spoken. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

The videos don't lie. We can plainly see what's going on out there, and the worthless and corrupt POS Newsome and Bass are trying to ignore the violence. This coddling of illegal and violent immigrants has reached the boiling stage, and someone has to put a stop to it. So once again Trump is doing the right thing. The left continues to commit political suicide by condoning these criminals.

First LA Fires, Now the Riots Over ICE. Karen Bass is Not Handling Her Job as Mayor Well.

Dems Absolutely Lose It Over Trump's Swift Action to Restore Order in LA Amid Anti-ICE Chaos

And With Those Riots, The Invasion of America Is Reconfirmed

They're Making Molotov Cocktails? Do We Have Full-Blown Civil War in LA Right Now?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    last year

Rioters are not protestors. If local authorities won't protect people, the federal government will.

LBJ proved that to southern democrats back in 1965.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    last year
videos don't lie

Videos lie all the time. The camera zooms in on an isolated incident and the TV audience thinks the whole city is rioting. It’s not. Source: I live here.

coddling of illegal and violent immigrants

What violent immigrants? At Home Depot? At a restaurant?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.2    last year

Good luck, Tacos. I admire your obstination.

Then again... Don Quixote...

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.2    last year

There have been a few isolated incidents involving a small group of people.  The vast majority of people protesting have not been violent.  Local police agencies are more than capable of handling any problems that might arise.  The whole city is most certainly not rioting or in any way affected by the protests.  Source:  I live here, too.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Gsquared @1.1.4    last year

No one has said it's widespread violence, but it is uncontrolled, and law enforcement has been attacked

Some people seem to live in perpetual denial

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @1.1.4    last year

Oh let them have their fantasies. They can't back up their made up stories but it looks good to them when they type it on a screen

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gsquared @1.1.4    last year

I'm so glad that all is well in Brentwood.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.8  Gsquared  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.5    last year
it is uncontrolled

It is totally controlled.  Nothing much even occurred after midnight through right this minute.  If anyone engages in criminal activity we expect that our local police agencies will deal with them, as usual.

Some people seem to live in perpetual denial

The people who claim there is an insurrection in Los Angeles are definitely in denial.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.9  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    last year
I'm so glad that all is well in Brentwood.

... and 99.99% of the rest of Los Angeles, as well as all of the other cities in Los Angeles County.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.6    last year
Oh let them have their fantasies.

It's just a bunch of propaganda.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @1.1.10    last year

based on nothing. there's no basis in fact for this propoganda

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

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Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    last year

Attacking federal buildings and officers, interfering  with government operations sure sounds like an insurrection by mainly foreigners  waving foreign flags trying to bring in more foreigners.  

those pictures and the progressives refusal to ever support the deportation of an illegal alien are going to get jd Vance elected. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

This "riot" pales in comparison to previous times the National Guard has been employed in policing situations.

Trump has been dying for the chance to use the military on the streets. This was well known before he won the last election. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year

256

The progressive heroes who they  don’t believe should be subject to American laws in action.

so many foreign flags on display last night..

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    last year

Pete Hegseth says he might have to use the Marines. We all know what is going on here, and its not simple policing activity. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    last year

Its funny how thousands of people breaching police lines at the Capitol and hundreds of them entering the Capitol to try and stop the electoral vote was not an insurrection according to Trump and Hegseth, but this is. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year
Trump has been dying for the chance to use the military on the streets.

In 2020 Trump asked democrat officials if they wanted the Guard. They all said no, had their local PDs stand down and there was rioting for over 100 days with 2 dozen people killed.  Few were charged or punished.

Trump was decent to them the first time around. This time he is much wiser.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    last year

trying to find a country to establish a sanctuary city where i can burn shit while waving my native country's flag, while violently demanding they don't send me back to the native country of the flag i am waving. is there a country i can terrorize, then demand sympathy when they want me to leave?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    last year

Trump asked for the National Guard to be there on J6k, but Pelosi and Schumer said no.

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.1.7  charger 383  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.5    last year

Will they also give you money and government befits ?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.8  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    last year

Yeppers - 1992 - Rodney King - 'member him John?

The 1992 Los Angeles riots started, sparked by outrage among racial minorities over the trial's verdict and related, longstanding social issues, overlaid with tensions between the Black American and Korean American communities. The rioting lasted six days and 63 people were killed during it, and 2,383 other people were injured; it only ended after the California Army National Guard, the Army, and the Marine Corps provided reinforcements in an attempt to re-establish control. 

Your expert in the article needs to get her information correct also as she stated the "last" time active duty military were used was in 1965.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.8    last year
Your expert in the article needs to get her information correct also as she stated the "last" time active duty military were used was in 1965.

That's not what the author said.

From the article:

It is the first time since 1965 that a president has activated a state’s National Guard force without a request from that state’s governor,

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.1.10  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.9    last year

The last time was when President Lyndon B. Johnson sent troops to Alabama to protect civil rights demonstrators in 1965, she said.

My statement is correct - quit parsing.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.11  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1.10    last year

The bolded phrase changes the meaning of the sentence and renders your statement incorrect.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.12  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    last year

I have never seen one burnt out automobile get so much mileage...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Thomas @2.1.12    last year

ONE??? Read up.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.14  Tacos!  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.6    last year
Trump asked for the National Guard to be there on J6k, but Pelosi and Schumer said no.

Think about this for a moment. Trump is currently deploying the National Guard. He didn’t “request” it. He ordered it.

Furthermore, he is doing it over the loud and clear objection of the state governor.

So he clearly doesn’t require someone else’s permission to deploy the National Guard. But you believe legislators in Congress somehow stopped him from doing exactly that?

The same legislators who currently can’t stop him from doing anything , somehow managed to block the deployment of the Guard on that one day?

In fact, Schumer is currently publicly declaring that the deployment of the Guard is unnecessary and wrong.

“His order to deploy the National Guard in California is unnecessary, inflammatory, and provocative,” Schumer said. “Trump should immediately revoke his command to use the National Guard, and leave the law enforcement to the governor and the mayor, who are more than capable of handling the situation.”

Why isn’t that stopping Trump now? That makes sense to you?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.14    last year
Why isn’t that stopping Trump now?

Schumer isn't his superior. Plain and simple

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.16  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.15    last year
Schumer isn't his superior. Plain and simple

But he was his superior on January 6, 2020?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.16    last year

No he wasn't. Trump was still PotUS until inauguration day. I mean a full year before 1-6-20

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.18  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.17    last year

Ok, do you understand you responded to an exchange about calling out the Guard on Jan 6? The assertion was that Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi somehow overruled Trump on this issue. So, you and I agree that that’s impossible, right?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.18    last year

First of all, who gives a damn about J6, 2020? So no, we don't agree.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.20  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.14    last year

Trump did not act on Jan 6th because he wanted the "stop the steal" riot to succeed. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.21  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.19    last year

That’s the thread. I was responding to 2.1.6, and you replied to that. Please read the thread before commenting.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.21    last year

Did read it. Please get your dates correct before injecting them into the conversation.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.22    last year

Again I didn’t inject the date into the conversation. Greg did at 2.1.6. You are replying to that exchange.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tacos! @2.1.23    last year

No you did at 2.1.16. Actual date, if I am getting your reference right, would have been J6, 2021 NOT 2020.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.25  Jack_TX  replied to  Thomas @2.1.12    last year
I have never seen one burnt out automobile get so much mileage...

That's quite clever, actually. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.26  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.24    last year

Ah I see what you’re talking about. Consider that a typo. I mean Greg wrote “J6k” which doesn’t seem like a date at all, but I managed to figure out what he meant.

We’re obviously talking about the attack on the Capitol and President Trump’s authority to deploy Guard troops if he wanted to. Would you care to address that?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year
Attacking federal buildings and officers, interfering  with government operations sure sounds like an insurrection by mainly foreigners  waving foreign flags trying to bring in more foreigners.  

They are just a bunch of tourists seeing the sights. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    last year

None of that is actually happening except in Trumps deranged mind.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

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Greg Jones
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3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

No one's rights are being violated, and they are not citizens. Assholes in question have been adjudged to be deportable and have received due process.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    last year

Due process is the last thing Trump wants.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

And here's another idiot (from JAN 6, 2020) who don't know squat.

Why a five year old link  John?

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2.1  cjcold  replied to  1stwarrior @3.2    last year

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George
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3.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

This dickhead is nothing more than a cowardly Bowe Bergdahl, he is anti-American without the risk.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.3.1  cjcold  replied to  George @3.3    last year

So Trump doesn't have a risk?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

Hegseth has threatened to employ US Marines on the streets of Los Angeles.

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Greg Jones
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4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year

Yes, the actions of the criminal rioters is deplorable and deranged.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year

Do whatever it takes stop the traitors from getting in the way of ICE

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.2.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2    last year

Send them back to the country of their origination - if they even know.

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.3  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year

Trump incited all the violence. Chaos is what he does.

It's way past time for Trump to be in prison!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  Vic Eldred    last year

This should have been done in 2020. ICE agents were being attacked, and the LA Police were taking HOURS to respond. The governor and mayor aren't fooling anyone. They are trying to do what they did in 2020.

Not this time!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    last year

what a ridiculous piece of shit human being we have leading this country.

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The National Guard has not been deployed yet and this moron talks about the great job they did. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    last year

"Outside the city, two people were arrested for assault on a peace officers, one for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail that hit three deputies, LA Sheriff’s Department officials confirmed to CBS News Los Angeles late Saturday."

Setting people on fire is serious shit.

I'd have the Guard in there with orders to SHOOT TO KILL!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    last year

Give it time. Your statements and arguments are very weak and lack credibility.

Thankfully, we have a president who is following the will of the citizens.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    last year

They did it again. They are up against where most of the country is.

I hope this all plays out in the midterm elections.

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    last year
I'd have the Guard in there with orders to SHOOT TO KILL!

So do you want to start a civil war or are you just cheerleading for the authoritarian fuck-face Trump to remove the rights of the people en-masse? 

Trump knows that there are people, because he is one of them, who will take any excuse to take whatever they can and run, take anything from anybody for the joy of plunder and the frightful spectre of the sadist being cruel.

He is a traitor and should be treated like one. 

I once wondered how people could let their darker sides rule their actions. I wondered how they could root for violence and destruction. Thanks to you, I now know.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @5.1.4    last year

A house divided cannot stand.

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.5    last year

So why are you dividing it?

What is your solution? Submit or die? 

You and Trump draw no distinction between the millions who actually acknowledge what is occurring and the few who are taking advantage of it for personal gain. Indeed, Trump is stirring up trouble for personal gain, for the consolidation of power, and the suppression of rights, thoughts, words and actions. 

Despicable and wrong.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.7  Jack_TX  replied to  Thomas @5.1.4    last year
So do you want to start a civil war or are you just cheerleading for the authoritarian fuck-face Trump to remove the rights of the people en-masse? 

I'm not sure the Constitution protects the right to set fire to LEOs.

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1.8  Thomas  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.7    last year
I'm not sure the Constitution protects the right to set fire to LEOs.

I am quite sure that it does not, barring some as yet unimagined atrocity.

The pretext for sending the military units was, at the very best, grossly exaggerated. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    last year

And you're sure that OJ didn't do it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  Vic Eldred    last year

"LA Mayor Karen Bass has been blamed for helping to foment the riots against ICE.

Following raids on Friday, she responded by claiming that the federal agents used tactics that, “sow terror in our communities and disrupt basic principles of safety in our city.”

Los Angeles Police Chief Jim McDonnell issued a statement Friday saying, “I want to make it clear: the LAPD is not involved in civil immigration enforcement.”

LA cops finally tackle anti-ICE riots after being held back by sanctuary city laws

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.1  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    last year

Why is Trump not already in prison?

After this he definitely should be!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7  Bob Nelson    last year

Our fascists are downright gleeful!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Bob Nelson @7    last year

I'd change friends Bob.

 
 
 
cjcold
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7.2  cjcold  replied to  Bob Nelson @7    last year

Seems fascists don't care about the rule of law.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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7.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  cjcold @7.2    last year

Worse: they abhor the rule of law, and anything else that limits their power.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8  Sean Treacy    last year

Interesting example of democrats fund NGO's who coordinate the riots that keep the government from enforcing the law, using CHIRLA, which California and the Biden admin gave tens of millions of dollars, as an example.  

To sum up how this works: Your tax dollars fund an organization that organizes efforts to directly interfere with the federal government’s lawful exercise of authority. Then, through its lobbying arm, that organization helps get Democrats elected to office, who then repay the favor by ensuring increased funding.

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.1  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    last year

WOW You care nothing about truth do you?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9  Sean Treacy    last year

From 1861 to 2025, things haven't changed. Democrats still claim federal officers on "their" territory justifies violence. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    last year
From 1861 to 2025, things haven't changed

Sure they have. Southern conservative Democrats abandoned their party as it moved left and passed the civil rights and voting rights act and now the vast majority consider themselves conservative Republicans who fight to conserve their confederate heritage by honoring confederate generals, renaming forts after confederates and protecting memorials to confederate soldiers.

But you're right, rightwing conservatives haven't really changed much, they're still the same old education hating racist religious bigots they've always been, but they did get themselves a new mascot...

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" From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the  Voting Rights Act . The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans . That's where the votes are ." - Republican political strategist Kevin Phillips

And my goodness was he right.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1    last year

And jim crow supporting,  racist,  progressive southern democrats remained democrats and simply switched the targets of their racialist ideology and their refusal to enforce laws they disapprove of, while maintaining their hatred of the US, which can be seen in their embrace of new battle flags, the mexican and Palestinians  flags.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.1    last year

512

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.2    last year

sorry, this isn't some random dude at a flea market, it's an actual elected leader of the democratic party. 256

 
 
 
Thomas
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9.1.4  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.3    last year

So?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.1    last year
progressive southern democrats

? I looked but I could find no progressive Southern Democrat parties or even factions. However, they did call themselves the "Conservative Democrats" at one point because if one thing has been consistent besides their hate of minorities it's been their stubborn conservatism.

simply switched the targets of their racialist ideology

Right! That makes so much sense! They just switched from hating blacks to hating white conservatives like themselves! And not only that, they started supporting lgtbq rights and other minorities which makes so much sense for those who were just saying " segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever!". Apparently, some believe the George Wallaces of the world just said "Hey, you know what, I love being a Democrat so I'm just going to support the civil rights act and the voting rights act and I'm going to fight for affirmative action for minorities in colleges and in hiring because I know I was wrong now!". Of course, I'm sure he heard from the Southern Republicans trying to build their power in the South, that they had ALL voted against the civil rights act and that they would be opposing the liberal agenda that the Kennedy Democrats were adopting. In George Wallace's case, he chose to leave the Democrat party and run as a candidate of the "American Independant Party" that ran on a hard-line  anti-Communist ,  pro-"law and order"  platform, appealing to  working-class white voters. Hmmm, sound familiar? The OG MAGAites.

American Independent Party - Wikipedia

George Wallace - Wikipedia

But yeah, the attempt to claim that Southern Democrats somehow magically turned into the pot smoking hippy culture free love pacifist liberal progressive pro-choice affirmative action supporting immigrant welcoming modern Democrat party, was hilarious. It's like watching a child with chocolate smeared all over their face and hands trying to deny they ate the chocolate cake.

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"Nope, there aren't any more racist Southern Democrats here anymore, only just us completely innocent not-racist Southern Republicans now, and we have no idea where those racist Southern Democrats went. Those racists probably ate your cake before they left too. Maybe they moved to California?"...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.5    last year
looked but I could find no progressive Southern Democrat parties or even factions.

That's really sad. Because  I've provided the evidence to you numerous times, even using the writings of certified woke progressives like Ta-neshi Coates to do so. Your continued denial of reality can only explained in two ways, neither of them good for you. 

They just switched from hating blacks to hating white conservatives like themselves! 

Now your refusal to acknowledge reality causes you to make silly, embarrassing blunders like this where you call progressives conservatives. All you've produced is silly, ahistorical fantasy that conforms to the needs of the modern left wing cult.  It's American stalinism, where progressives rewrite the history books to declare progressives who've fallen out of favor "conservatives" 

THe only interesting thing at this point is whether the progressive  cult members themselves are ignorant enough to believe what they write, or dishonest enough to not care about lying. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.6    last year

This argument you are making is bizarre.  I guess this what the internal pressures of having to defend Trump does to someone. 

The Civil Rights Act vote count in 1964 showed convincingly that opposition to black rights was not based on party affiliation, but rather on ideological affiliation. Liberals from both parties supported the Civil Rights Act and conservatives from both parties opposed it. 

The idea that there is a through line between the Democratic Party of 1860 and 2025 is laughable.  We dont see confederate flags displayed at Democratic events, we see them at Republican events. Why? Because the Republicans today are the party of conservatives. 

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Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.7    last year

Now explain how same of the exact same "conservatives" who opposed the civil rights act also voted for the most expansive progressive legislation in american history and somehow  remained "conservative".  

You, of course, can't.   Because it's impossible to do so.  

The reality of basic american history, as even your hero coates has grasped, is that the democratic party in the south had progressive and conservative wings throughout the history of Jim Crow.  They disagreed with each other on numerous issues, but southern progressives and conservatives were united in supported Jim Crow. Why wouldn't they be, given the KKK and scientific racists like Planned parenthood  were progressive institutions?

It's shocking how little progressives know about their own party' history.  Or maybe given their embrace of orwellian tactics, maybe they just don't care about reality. . 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.8    last year

We've been through this before. It was a deal or "understanding" between Roosevelt and the southern conservative Democrats in Congress that if they would support the New Deal he would slow walk or even ignore attempts at improving the lot of the negroes. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
9.1.10  cjcold  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1    last year

Fascism and hate of the "other" seems to be easier to catch than covid.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.9    last year
It was a deal or "understanding" between Roosevelt and the southern conservative Democrats in Congress that if they would support the New Deal

First, I'm talking about southern democrats who opposed the civil rights acts and voted for LBJ's big society. The idea that a "conservative" could vote for that is laughable. 

Second, as you know, FDR campaigned for southern democrats on the basis of them being progressives.  If the progressive label hurt southern candidates who supported FDR, why did he publicly use the progressive label  to support them?

During the new deal era, Southern conservative democrats opposed FDR.Southern progressives supported him. They fought it out at the ballot box in democratic primaries  with both sides  supporting Jim Crow.  This is easily verifiable history. 

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.1.12  George  replied to  cjcold @9.1.10    last year

You just described the democrat party to a tee, throw in intolerance and you could have their new slogan.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.1.13  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.6    last year
Because I've provided the evidence to you numerous times

You have provided zero evidence of anything that refutes not just my claim but the majority of historians because it's supported by the actual facts. Someone who continues to try and refute the irrefutable just makes them look like a fucking moron.

Half my relatives still live in Arkansas and still cling to their confederate flags and are die hard Trump supporters. I know from decades of discussions with them and watching the Southern strategy happen before my eyes which is why I KNOW it fucking happened. My relatives were former Southern Democrats turned Republican, though most of the shift happened between 1965 and 1991 so they've been calling themselves fiscal conservative Republicans for quite a while now. No amount of bullshit deflection and white conservative propaganda will ever change the fact that those SAME fucking Southern Democrats are now the very heart of the Republican party and are loyal MAGAites because that is the party that still defends their ideals of being anti-immigrant, anti-minority, anti-liberal, anti-lgtbq and anti-education. They are the Sothern Democrat conservatives with a new label, that's it. Same racist beliefs, same conservative religious bullshit.

THe only interesting thing at this point

is that some folk are still so fucking desperate to hide their racist roots that they continue to refuse to even respond to facts about the Southern strategy because they KNOW they can't win the argument. So far not a single fucking response to the Kevin Phillips admission, no reply to the facts about Wallace and Democrats authoring and passing the civil rights and voting rights acts or the response from Southern Democrats at the time or the FACT that 100% of Southern Republican legislators voted AGAINST the civil rights act did appeal to their fellow Southern Democrats who also voted against it. All these are verifiable facts as is the shift in party affiliation. The Southern States never 'moved' right, they have always been politically rightwing, all they did was change the signage from Southern Democrat aka the Southern Conservative party and merged with the already rightwing Southern Republicans. It happened, trying to claim it didn't just makes one look like an incompetent desperate idiot.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.13    last year
You have provided zero evidence of anything 

Said the guy who has provided nothing but invective, hate  and memes. Lol. 

Of course, anyone who has a memory better than a gold fish knows I I've provided you with the data at least  dozen times. You ignore it and then return with the same fables a week or so later.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.1.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.14    last year
I've provided you with the data at least  dozen times

What fucking data? You say you provide it a "dozen times" but you can't even reference what it is. Is it that Jimmy Carter won the presidential election in 1976 and was a Democrat from the South? 

After Jimmy Carter Won the Presidency, Democrats Lost the South

Mr. Carter witnessed a shift from what had been a solidly Democratic South to one that Republicans, supported by white voters and particularly evangelicals, came to dominate. After Jimmy Carter Won the Presidency, Democrats Lost the South - The New York Times

Does your 'data' show where all those Southern Democrats moved to over the last half century? Does it show how many sold their family homes in the former confederate States and relocated to some liberal bastion? Is there footage of the wagon train from Alabama to California and the 'trail of jeers' as the Southern conservative Democrats were kicked out of the States they once ruled with a racist iron fist? It's laughable on its face. Of course, you don't have that data because that data doesn't exist. All those same racist white Southern conservative Democrats didn't move, they just registered with the party that aligned with their white Southern conservative ideology which was openly and blatantly adopted by Southern Republicans trying to rebuild their party and realizing the most effective way to do that was to appeal to the disaffected white Southern conservative Democrats who were enraged at the Northern wing of their party for authoring, supporting and signing into law the civil rights act and voting rights act. These are verifiable historical facts that are undisputed by anyone who has done even a smidgen of research.

I'm not "ignoring" your data. I haven't seen it as you can't produce it because clearly it doesn't fucking exist. If it did it would be easy to provide and wouldn't just be some disparate facts about a handful of Southern Democrats still winning in some States all the way into the '90's. That does not in ANY way prove the Southern strategy wasn't in effect and wasn't eventually successful. It obviously was and those former white Southern conservatives who once registered Democrat overwhelmingly consider themselves white Southern conservative Republicans today.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.15    last year
What fucking data? You say you provide it a "dozen times" but you can't even reference what it is. 

to support my point that there were racist southern progressive democrats during Jim Crow.  You know.  The topic. What else? 

 Is it that Jimmy Carter won the presidential election in 1976 and was a Democrat from the South? 

First, are you even paying attention or do you just post the same knee jerk responses whenever the south comes up? But if you want to talk about how the Democrat Carter did better in the south than he did in the north in 1976 and 80, sure. So much for that magic memo of yours.

The south has been slowly trending Republican since the 1940s. Eisenhower won a majority of votes there.   It's been a very, very gradual process and didn't become majority republican until the generation who grew up after segregation ended and were able to vote in the 90s.  The trend started in the cities and suburbs and in the states on the periphery of the south. The rural  deep south remained democratic the longest.  As the south got richer, it got more Republican. Only simpletons with no understanding of history, or racists, think race explains everything. 

here all those Southern Democrats moved to over the last half century

Sure.  Most have  died. Do you think the voting pool is the same in 2025 as it was in 1975?  The youngest legal voters in 1975 are now senior citizens. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.16    last year
The south has been slowly trending Republican since the 1940s

1964 Civil Rights Act vote by party and region:

House of Representatives:

  • Southern Democrats: 8–83 (9–91%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–11 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–8 (95–5%)
  • Northern Republicans: 136–24 (85–15%)

Note that four Representatives voted   Present   while 13 did not vote.

Senate:

  • Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) 
  • Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) 
  • Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) 
  • Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) 

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

Well, if they were "trending" they hadn't made much ground by 1964 with just 11 Southern Republican representatives and 1 Southern Republican Senator all of whom voted against the 1964 civil rights act setting the precedent for their scripted Southern strategy which then, as you say, was a " very gradual process".

didn't become majority republican until the generation who grew up after segregation ended and were able to vote in the 90s

So wait, you're trying to tell me that it's not the former Southern Democrats turned Southern Republican, it's their kids who just started voting in the 1990's? And you're claiming that all those children born after segregation, they are somehow 'rinsed clean' of the attitudes and prejudices of their parents, grandparents and peers because society in the south was now supposedly "post segregation"? Seriously? That's the new line of argument? jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif I guess that would explain their fierce defense of confederate monuments and their desire to fly or stick confederate flags on their skin, houses and cars. They're just doing out of remembrance for their ancestors, not because they share any beliefs or prejudices with them, no, not at all! /s

Sure.  Most have  died. Do you think the voting pool is the same in 2025 as it was in 1975?  The youngest legal voters in 1975 are now senior citizens.

Just because many of the people voting in the 1960's are no longer with us doesn't mean their prejudices and legacies simply vanished. Also, I wasn't aware that senior citizens aren't allowed to vote. Those "youngest legal voters" still are voting even as senior citizens, those folk have been voting since the 70's and often elected Southern conservative Republicans to represent them. Perhaps that's because the Southern Republican party does represent them along with their deep-seated prejudices towards minorities and anyone they consider a 'godless sinner'.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.16    last year
to support my point that there were racist southern progressive democrats during Jim Crow

Oh, and sorry for ignoring that because once again you provide no evidence of anything like the existence of a "Southern progressive Democrat party". There were 8 Southern Democrats who voted for the civil rights act, which was of course far more than the 0 Southern Republican representatives to vote for it. Are they the "Southern progressive Democrats" you speak of?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.17    last year
l, if they were "trending" they hadn't made much ground by 1964 with just 11 Southern Republican representatives and 1 Southern Republican Senator

Yes. Compare that to 1932.  

 Seriously? That's the new line of argumen

It's not an argument. It's reality.  Republicans did not control a majority of southern  congressional seats and legislatures until the 90s. 

 "youngest legal voters" still are voting even as senior citizens

No shit. Is this  really hard to grasp?  People die. People move.   If you want to embarrass yourself and argue that senior citizens who are  over 67 who've never left the south make up the majority of southern voters, go right ahead. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.18    last year
nything like the existence of a "Southern progressive Democrat party

They were called democrats. 

 Are they the "Southern progressive Democrats" you speak of?\

No, I'm talking about the signers of the southern manifesto who supported LBJ's great society and other jim crow loving democrats who supported a progressive agenda, going back to the 19th century.  

 
 
 
George
PhD Expert
9.1.21  George  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.19    last year
Republicans did not control a majority of southern  congressional seats and legislatures until the 90s. 

And to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass it is obvious as republicans took more and more control of the south it got less and less racist, and as democrats took more and more control of the North......what happened? 

Most Racist States 2025

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
9.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @9.1.21    last year
nd to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass it is obvious as republicans took more and more control of the south it got less and less racist,

Undeniable. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
9.1.23  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  George @9.1.21    last year
as republicans took more and more control of the south it got less and less racist

LOL! Sure it did. 

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