"A century from now, they will speak of the sacrifice of Charlie Kirk and how it saved Western Civilization from unspeakable evil by returning us to God."
What does "returning us to God" mean to Charlie Kirk adherents ?
How are we defining "Charlie Kirk adherents?"
What I've seen on various social media sources is the traditional evangelical Christians feeling very positive about the number of people attending church for the first time, and the number of people sharing their faith openly.
"Returning us to God" in a political context, which is what Charlie Kirk was all about, implies that we are somehow away from God now, due to something going on in the society. I'm saying there is nothing for Christianity to return from, it has always been here and always had a lot of influence.
"Returning us to God" in a political context, which is what Charlie Kirk was all about, implies that we are somehow away from God now, due to something going on in the society. I'm saying there is nothing for Christianity to return from, it has always been here and always had a lot of influence.
That seems a fair assessment.
It's probably fair to say that many evangelicals see things like drag shows for kids or puberty blockers for 10 year olds or Will Thomas winning the women's swimming championship as morally unconscionable. The more devoted of the flock tend to view the entire world through a "toward God" or "away from God" lens, so that becomes the sort of catch all complaint for anything they believe to be immoral.
But that's a relatively small group of people Just like most Democrats aren't socialists, most Republicans aren't devout evangelicals.
Practically speaking, it means voting Republican. For some, the specifics are going to be more rooted in race or culture. But most practically, it's about political power.
Not because being Republican - or more generally, conservative - is necessarily godly. They're just another in a long line of deluded people who think God is particularly on their side.
I think returning us to God in the Charlie Kirk sense means a level, official or unofficial , of Christian nationalism. Christianity must be pre-eminent , supreme. Political decisions must be made to be in alignment with the Bible. That is where they want this country to go.
Christians have never been persecuted in the US, they have been influential at every level of our society, always.
You mean the dems would actually nominate someone worth voting for? Wow, what a novel idea.
I'll be very surprised if they don't produce a much better nominee in 2028. Granted that's a low bar, and I wouldn't hazard a guess at who that might be, but I can't believe they won't find someone better.
Why would that be needed when it's overwhelmingly clear Republicans have abandoned any and all oversight of Donald Trump. If anything bad happens, even if it's beyond clear it was Trumps fault, they'll blame Democrats. If anything goes right, even if it's obvious it was only through the efforts of Democrats, they'll take the credit. Unfortunately, neither party actually gives a fuck about reality these days, it's all about optics.
Going farther left has not done so well in the last few elections. Even Biden ran in the center and then pulled left after he won and look how he and Kamala worked out.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the democrat party.
Well....again.... I try to look at things in the larger historical patterns.
This time into Obama's 1st term all the liberals were convinced Sarah Palin would be the next Republican nominee.
AOC will run on a platform of complete batshittery and intentionally lose the nomination. She has realized she can have a 50 year career in DC if she follows Bernie Sanders' playbook. You have to be so completely crazy that nobody ever implements your policies, so you can't ever be held accountable for the catastrophic consequences they would bring.
Because the people who actually decide elections.... moderates.... are looking for the least crazy candidate. And yes, Trump was less crazy than the Democratic Party three ring circus of 2024.
it's all about optics.
It's about the economy, and then optics. That's been true for decades.
Whoever the Dems nominate will almost surely be taking on JD Vance. You will not be able to beat him with a double helping of stupid covered in crazy sauce.
Somewhere out there is at least one sane Democrat who will see the opportunity.
I think the party’s ideology is fine. Their problem, imo, is that they’re too much about ideology and not enough about practical shit that impacts most people’s daily lives.
The thing I can’t shake is that that’s not the whole reason they lose elections. Republicans won on being mean. They scapegoat minorities, gleefully destroy programs that actually help people, bully international allies, and then pat themselves on the back for it. Look at Trump, and Vance, and Stephen Miller. These are mean, angry dicks, and their whole routine has proven to be very popular.
Name calling is popular. Dehumanizing is popular. ICE agents roughing people up and deporting them to gulags in foreign countries is popular. I see video of masked federal “agents” throwing a gray haired woman to the ground and the commenters are like “yeah! I voted for this!”
This country is now heavily populated by racists and people who cheer for bullies. That pretty makes anything the Democrats offer to be irrelevant.
Their problem, imo, is that they’re too much about ideology and not enough about practical shit that impacts most people’s daily lives.
That's pretty much both sides right now. Unless actual election chaos ensues the pendulum will swing the other way... meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Their problem, imo, is that they’re too much about ideology and not enough about practical shit that impacts most people’s daily lives.
Yeah. Nail => head.
Republicans won on being mean.
It's not mean. It's fed up with bullshit. There is a difference.
They scapegoat minorities,
Specifics?
gleefully destroy programs that actually help people,
Do they? Or do they just spend shitloads of money to make a few people feel better about having done "something", without having to get dirty and actually solve a problem?
Look at Trump, and Vance, and Stephen Miller. These are mean, angry dicks, and their whole routine has proven to be very popular.
I don't disagree, but again, they're following through on the "we're fed up with the bullshit" theme that resonates with hundreds of millions of Americans.
Trump was less crazy than the Democratic Party three ring circus of 2024.
Well in my opinion, that is a fucking batshit crazy opinion. I do accept that nearly half of voters are batshit fucking crazy, but still, electing a 34-time convicted felon and admitted sexual predator to the highest office in the land? Batshit fucking insane, even when compared to the Harris campaign.
Just for starters, their obsession with all things LGBT. They scapegoat this small margin of society as the source of all sorts of problems. Leave them alone.
Same thing with immigrants. Instead of being treated as an asset to our society and economy, they are demonized as the source all problems. And it’s clear now, that it does not matter if we’re talking criminal gang members or people who are actually here legally.
Add to that, the twisted need to control all things related to women’s health and the reproductive choices they make, especially with a total disregard for the many difficult situations a woman can face in those circumstances. And it’s all sold with the lie that all of women’s health can be boiled down to wanton sluts having 9th-month abortions.
Do they?
Yeah. They do. Could they be improved? Maybe made more efficient? Of course. But the mindless hacking of important programs just for the sake of making cuts is cruel, irresponsible, and short sighted.
they're following through on the "we're fed up with the bullshit" theme that resonates with hundreds of millions of Americans.
No, that doesn’t make any of it ok. Every other administration - liberal and conservative - has managed to argue for their idea of change without resorting to the manners of 5th grade bullies, never mind the gleeful brutality we see on display these days.
I'm grateful that my years on this earth are numbered. I don't think I want to be around in 30-40 years seeing what has become of our world. Do you really want to force an 80 year woman to convert to your brand of Christianity when she can't stand the sight of most of you? Kill me, instead.
What does "returning us to God" mean ?
Whatever they want it to mean at the time they talk about it.
Pretty much, yeah.
It's like when people say the rich should "pay their fair share". It means something different to everybody and nobody can really define it.
What does "returning us to God" mean to Charlie Kirk adherents ?
How are we defining "Charlie Kirk adherents?"
What I've seen on various social media sources is the traditional evangelical Christians feeling very positive about the number of people attending church for the first time, and the number of people sharing their faith openly.
I suspect all of that will be pretty short lived.
What is the era in US history where Christians were persecuted ?
What does that have to do with anything we're discussing?
"Returning us to God" in a political context, which is what Charlie Kirk was all about, implies that we are somehow away from God now, due to something going on in the society. I'm saying there is nothing for Christianity to return from, it has always been here and always had a lot of influence.
That seems a fair assessment.
It's probably fair to say that many evangelicals see things like drag shows for kids or puberty blockers for 10 year olds or Will Thomas winning the women's swimming championship as morally unconscionable. The more devoted of the flock tend to view the entire world through a "toward God" or "away from God" lens, so that becomes the sort of catch all complaint for anything they believe to be immoral.
But that's a relatively small group of people Just like most Democrats aren't socialists, most Republicans aren't devout evangelicals.
Every fucking day JR;. just look for the Nativity scenes in storage in your typical West Texas town.
Bibles in Oklahoma classrooms, well, because some Bible believer wants it to be so.
Unisex bathrooms.
Red outfits for the ladies capable of spawning..
Practically speaking, it means voting Republican. For some, the specifics are going to be more rooted in race or culture. But most practically, it's about political power.
Not because being Republican - or more generally, conservative - is necessarily godly. They're just another in a long line of deluded people who think God is particularly on their side.
I think returning us to God in the Charlie Kirk sense means a level, official or unofficial , of Christian nationalism. Christianity must be pre-eminent , supreme. Political decisions must be made to be in alignment with the Bible. That is where they want this country to go.
Christians have never been persecuted in the US, they have been influential at every level of our society, always.
And/or forcing Democrats back toward the center.
You mean the dems would actually nominate someone worth voting for? Wow, what a novel idea.
I'll be very surprised if they don't produce a much better nominee in 2028. Granted that's a low bar, and I wouldn't hazard a guess at who that might be, but I can't believe they won't find someone better.
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Why would that be needed when it's overwhelmingly clear Republicans have abandoned any and all oversight of Donald Trump. If anything bad happens, even if it's beyond clear it was Trumps fault, they'll blame Democrats. If anything goes right, even if it's obvious it was only through the efforts of Democrats, they'll take the credit. Unfortunately, neither party actually gives a fuck about reality these days, it's all about optics.
I would give Josh a listen to but the dems are dumb enough to go with that greasy headed guy that is taking his Trump imitation routine on the road.
Going farther left has not done so well in the last few elections. Even Biden ran in the center and then pulled left after he won and look how he and Kamala worked out.
Well....again.... I try to look at things in the larger historical patterns.
This time into Obama's 1st term all the liberals were convinced Sarah Palin would be the next Republican nominee.
AOC will run on a platform of complete batshittery and intentionally lose the nomination. She has realized she can have a 50 year career in DC if she follows Bernie Sanders' playbook. You have to be so completely crazy that nobody ever implements your policies, so you can't ever be held accountable for the catastrophic consequences they would bring.
I wish they would stop calling it Christian Nationalism. There’s nothing Christian about it.
Because the people who actually decide elections.... moderates.... are looking for the least crazy candidate. And yes, Trump was less crazy than the Democratic Party three ring circus of 2024.
It's about the economy, and then optics. That's been true for decades.
Whoever the Dems nominate will almost surely be taking on JD Vance. You will not be able to beat him with a double helping of stupid covered in crazy sauce.
Somewhere out there is at least one sane Democrat who will see the opportunity.
I think the party’s ideology is fine. Their problem, imo, is that they’re too much about ideology and not enough about practical shit that impacts most people’s daily lives.
The thing I can’t shake is that that’s not the whole reason they lose elections. Republicans won on being mean. They scapegoat minorities, gleefully destroy programs that actually help people, bully international allies, and then pat themselves on the back for it. Look at Trump, and Vance, and Stephen Miller. These are mean, angry dicks, and their whole routine has proven to be very popular.
Name calling is popular. Dehumanizing is popular. ICE agents roughing people up and deporting them to gulags in foreign countries is popular. I see video of masked federal “agents” throwing a gray haired woman to the ground and the commenters are like “yeah! I voted for this!”
This country is now heavily populated by racists and people who cheer for bullies. That pretty makes anything the Democrats offer to be irrelevant.
That's pretty much both sides right now. Unless actual election chaos ensues the pendulum will swing the other way... meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Some of it, OK.
Yeah. Nail => head.
It's not mean. It's fed up with bullshit. There is a difference.
Specifics?
Do they? Or do they just spend shitloads of money to make a few people feel better about having done "something", without having to get dirty and actually solve a problem?
I don't disagree, but again, they're following through on the "we're fed up with the bullshit" theme that resonates with hundreds of millions of Americans.
Well in my opinion, that is a fucking batshit crazy opinion. I do accept that nearly half of voters are batshit fucking crazy, but still, electing a 34-time convicted felon and admitted sexual predator to the highest office in the land? Batshit fucking insane, even when compared to the Harris campaign.
Just for starters, their obsession with all things LGBT. They scapegoat this small margin of society as the source of all sorts of problems. Leave them alone.
Same thing with immigrants. Instead of being treated as an asset to our society and economy, they are demonized as the source all problems. And it’s clear now, that it does not matter if we’re talking criminal gang members or people who are actually here legally.
Add to that, the twisted need to control all things related to women’s health and the reproductive choices they make, especially with a total disregard for the many difficult situations a woman can face in those circumstances. And it’s all sold with the lie that all of women’s health can be boiled down to wanton sluts having 9th-month abortions.
Yeah. They do. Could they be improved? Maybe made more efficient? Of course. But the mindless hacking of important programs just for the sake of making cuts is cruel, irresponsible, and short sighted.
No, that doesn’t make any of it ok. Every other administration - liberal and conservative - has managed to argue for their idea of change without resorting to the manners of 5th grade bullies, never mind the gleeful brutality we see on display these days.
good gawd
I'm grateful that my years on this earth are numbered. I don't think I want to be around in 30-40 years seeing what has become of our world. Do you really want to force an 80 year woman to convert to your brand of Christianity when she can't stand the sight of most of you? Kill me, instead.
I was told today was the day of the Rapture. To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
We are expecting a line of storms along a wide cold front that will produce flooding, hail and a possible tornado or two tonight,
all apparently because school prayer is unconstitutional, white Jesus isn't mentioned nearly often enough outside of the Gateway Churches
and the Devil...I had a contractor go all Charlie Kirk, magic bullet and conspiracies of the devil on me and the Mrs. the other day.
Eye opening. wasted a good 20 minutes of my time when i could have been here wasting my time,