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Trump Authorizes Troops To Use 'Full Force' against citizens

  
Via:  John Russell  •  last year  •  74 comments

By:   Jennifer Bowers Bahney (Mediaite)

Trump Authorizes Troops To Use 'Full Force' against citizens
President Donald Trump posted his plans on Truth Social for sending federalized troops to protect "war ravaged" U.S cities and ICE facilities.

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President Donald Trump posted his plan on Truth Social to send federal troops to protect "war ravaged" U.S cities and ICE facilities.

Trump wrote on Saturday, "At the request of Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, I am directing Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, to provide all necessary Troops to protect War ravaged Portland, and any of our ICE Facilities under siege from attack by Antifa, and other domestic terrorists."

He added, "I am also authorizing Full Force, if necessary."

The line about using "full force" had Trump critics questioning exactly what that meant.


Trump is directing his Sec of War to send troops, using full force, into a US city, to fight a siege he made up, being fought by a group that doesn't exist.

He's declaring war on Americans exercising their 1st amendment rights to speak out and protest his attacks on democracy. pic.twitter.com/hFsGJvW4Zd

— Melanie D'Arrigo (@DarrigoMelanie) September 27, 2025


Oh ya? Full force? Well this is certainly how you end up on trial… pic.twitter.com/Fz468ZBDAV
— Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) (@AdamKinzinger) September 27, 2025


Trump trying to distract from the latest Epstein files release has authorized regime ICE and department of war troops to "use full force" (i.e. harm or murder) US citizens "if necessary". pic.twitter.com/1Wf5Sk8CGu
— Anonymous (@YourAnonCentral) September 27, 2025


Portland saw 17 homicides in the first half of 2025, a decline of 51%.
Yet Trump and the "secretary of war" are sending the US military into the city, authorizing American troops to use "Full Force" against American civilians.
What are we doing here, people? pic.twitter.com/WRbHtoIgpu

— Jay Bookman (@jaysbookman) September 27, 2025


Every day he flouts the law and stretches the boundaries of his authority.
An American president declaring war on American communities and citizens, illegally sending in U.S. military & authorizing them to apply "full force."
It is madness. It's un-American. And very dangerous! pic.twitter.com/cwpdlmYMtT

— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) September 27, 2025

Trump's directive comes on the heels of a shooting at an ICE facility in Dallas, Texas, and other aggressive acts aimed at ICE agents.

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller claimed the left was carrying out a "campaign of terrorism."

He posted to X on Friday, "We are witnessing domestic terrorist sedition against the federal government," and announced the dispatch of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force.

In addition Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that she has begun deploying DOJ agents to ICE facilities.

She wrote, "At my direction, I am deploying DOJ agents to ICE facilities—and wherever ICE comes under siege—to safeguard federal agents, protect federal property, and immediately arrest all individuals engaged in any federal crime. Pursuant to President Trump's recent executive action, I am also instructing the Joint Terrorism Task Forces across the country to disrupt and investigate all entities and individuals engaged in acts of domestic terrorism, including the repeated acts of violence and obstruction against federal agents."

Seattle Mayor Bruce Herrell (D) wrote that he has spoken to Portland Mayor Keith Wilson (D) to offer his support in the wake of Trump's announcement.

"Trump's threats against American cities are illegal, authoritarian, and an attempt to silence free speech and intimidate the American people," he wrote. "We stand united."

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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

At one point this will all stop being just idiotic words. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

Oh ya? Full force? Well this is certainly how you end up on trial… pic.twitter.com/Fz468ZBDAV
— Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) (@AdamKinzinger) September 27, 2025

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year
Well this is certainly how you end up on trial

Unfortunately SCOTUS has given Trump immunity.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

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Krishna
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3.1  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

Provide all necessary troops to protect war ravaged Portland?

I'm wondering... will there be all those troops there , , , at the same time when their commanders are elsewhere having been callled to Hegseth's big meeting?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4  Hal A. Lujah    last year

He needs a lethal private army on the ground ready for the full release of the Epstein files.

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1  GregTx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4    last year

You realize there's a difference between full force and lethal force right?...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  GregTx @4.1    last year

Authorities in Portland say there is no unrest. 

What makes you think there is?  Because Trump says so ? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.3  bugsy  replied to  GregTx @4.1.2    last year

Sorry, Greg. Most leftists will label this as "mostly peaceful" riots.

Even the residents that live around the ICE facility are sick and tired of the constant noise by ANTIFA every night, but are probably afraid to confront them because they will probably also get assaulted....or worse.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.1.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  GregTx @4.1    last year

You don’t need to be concerned about what I do and don’t understand.  You know who to be concerned about.

 
 
 
GregTx
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4.1.5  GregTx  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.1.4    last year
You don’t need to be concerned about what I do and don’t understand.

I absolutely agree. Nature eventually sorts all that out.

You know who to be concerned about.

Jimmy Kimmel?...

 
 
 
Thomas
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4.1.6  Thomas  replied to  GregTx @4.1.2    last year

I asked chatGPT to verify your statement 

I found some evidence that partly overlaps with the claim, but not all elements are fully supported. Below is a breakdown of what can be verified, what is ambiguous, and what appears to be unsubstantiated or exaggerated.

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What can be verified / is credible

1. Portland (the “Rose City”) has a history of protests near federal/ICE facilities during the 2020–2021 unrest

During the George Floyd protests, Portland saw large, sustained demonstrations that often clustered around federal buildings and infrastructure. 

Some protests in 2021 continued; vandalism and property damage remained part of the mix of tactics used by some demonstrators. 

Protesters reportedly targeted an ICE building: “On August 26, … a ‘couple hundred’ people gathered … marched to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) building where it was vandalized.” 

2. Federal authorities framed some protest activity as targeting federal property / “domestic terrorism”

The Trump administration (and DHS) sometimes portrayed protests in Portland as not only civil unrest but as posing direct threats to federal facilities. 

More recently, in 2025, federal rhetoric has explicitly warned of protests “around the ICE building” and the need to protect federal property. 

The ICE facility in Portland is currently (2025) boarded up, surrounded by security infrastructure (fencing, plywood, graffiti) due to protest concerns. 

There is also evidence of doxing (publication of personal info) of ICE personnel by anarchist / antifa-affiliated groups in Portland, suggesting some activism has focused on federal agents. 

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What is not (or weakly) supported / is questionable or overstatement

1. “Long been a target” / sustained “attacks” by far-left / communist radicals

While there is clear evidence of protest, vandalism, and clashes near the ICE building, there is less support for the claim of frequent, concerted attacks over a long period specifically on the ICE facility in Portland.

I did not find credible sources that characterize those actors broadly as “communist radicals” in the way the statement suggests. The protest/activist groups in Portland are typically described as anarchist, leftist, anti-fascist, abolitionist, etc., but “communist radicals” is a more ideologically loaded label that demands stronger sourcing.

2. “Targeted during the 2020 BLM and Antifa riots, continuing until Joe Biden’s inauguration in 2021”

There is evidence of protest in 2020 and into 2021, including vandalism in 2021. 

However, I did not find documentation of continuous or intensifying direct attacks on the ICE facility from mid-2020 straight through to January 2021, nor citations of explicitly “Antifa” in all those incidents.

The claim of doubling efforts after a renewed crackdown under Trump (post-2021) is also not supported by independent verification in the sources I located.

3. “With the Trump administration’s renewed crackdown … Antifa activists have doubled their efforts to attack the building and federal agents”

The timeline is somewhat inverted: most of the large protests in Portland around federal property, including ICE, occurred during the Trump presidency (2020), when the federal presence was most visible.

The claim that Antifa “doubled efforts” under a revived Trump crackdown (post-2021) is not substantiated by the sources I found.

Also, “attack the building and federal agents” implies sustained violent assault; the sources more often describe vandalism, graffiti, protest clashes, perhaps property damage, rather than large-scale organized asassaults.q

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Conclusion & assessment of the claim

Partially true: It is accurate that the ICE facility in Portland has been a locus of protest, vandalism, and federal concerns during the 2020 BLM / George Floyd unrest, and continuing into 2021 and beyond.

Overstated / not fully supported: The more sweeping assertions about “long been a target”, consistent attacks by “far-left / communist radicals,” or a clear pattern of ramped-up attacks tied to a renewed Trump crackdown are not fully validated in available reporting.

Ideological framing (communist radicals, doubling efforts by Antifa): This part of the statement is not substantiated by neutral sources; reporting tends to avoid labeling protest groups with such sweeping ideological tags without evidence.
 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    last year
Authorities in Portland say there is no unrest. 

I was in portland 3 hours ago, no unrest at all..

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.7    last year

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GregTx
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4.1.9  GregTx  replied to  Thomas @4.1.6    last year

Mmmmm, according to copilot...

Rose City Antifa (RCA) is one of the oldest and most prominent Antifa groups in the United States, founded in Portland, Oregon in 2007. It emerged from the “Ad-Hoc Coalition Against Racism and Fascism,” which organized to shut down a neo-Nazi skinhead festival called Hammerfest.

🏴 Core Beliefs and Activities

- Anti-Fascism: RCA defines itself as a direct-action group opposing fascist organizing, racism, and bigotry. It traces its ideological roots to European anti-fascist movements and the American Anti-Racist Action network.

- Direct Action: This includes confronting far-right groups, exposing individuals they identify as white supremacists, and disrupting events they view as promoting fascist ideologies.

- Education and Solidarity: RCA also engages in community education to help people recognize fascist tactics and rhetoric. They ally with other leftist organizations to build what they call “radical spaces” free from oppression.

🔥 Controversies and Criticism

- Violent Tactics: RCA has been involved in physical confrontations with far-right demonstrators and police, especially during protests in Portland. Critics argue that their tactics—sometimes involving property damage or street violence—undermine democratic norms.

- Political Spotlight: The group gained national attention during the Trump administration, particularly in 2020, when Portland became a flashpoint for clashes between Antifa activists and federal agents. President Trump and other conservatives have called for RCA and similar groups to be designated as domestic terrorist organizations.

- Legal and Ethical Debates: While RCA claims to act in defense of marginalized communities, opponents argue that their methods infringe on free speech and escalate political violence. Legal experts have noted that there is no formal mechanism in U.S. law to designate domestic groups like Antifa as terrorists. 

Strangely enough, now they are....

 
 
 
Thomas
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4.1.10  Thomas  replied to  GregTx @4.1.9    last year

Your post in no way negates mine. If you disagree, state how and where. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.1.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    last year
What makes you think there is? 

What makes you think there isn't?  Because CNN and MSNBC says there isn't?

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.12  Krishna  replied to  GregTx @4.1    last year
You realize there's a difference between full force and lethal force right?...

You may have a point there.. IIRC when troops were send to one city they mainly were raking up leaves,,,toting garbage.

Hardly lethal!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

On my news feeds I see a lot of stories about Trump sending troops to Portland to end the "siege", but I dont see anything about there actually being a siege. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year
On my news feeds I see a lot of stories about Trump sending troops to Portland to end the "siege", but I dont see anything about there actually being a siege. 

It hasn't begun yet.

(The "seige" will be instigated by the troops a short time after they arrive),

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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There is no civil unrest in  Portland. Is grandpa hallucinating again?
 
 
 
GregTx
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7  GregTx    last year

It's really not hard to figure why. Two birds and all that...

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1  Krishna  replied to  GregTx @7    last year
Two birds

Well, you know the olde saying:

Birds of a feather flock together!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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bugsy
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8.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @8    last year

Hilarious that the left has claimed that Trump is a threat to everything under the sun, not because of what he has done, but because of what he has said, but somehow, don't understand that attacking a federal ICE facility NIGHTLY is the true national security threat.

Portland has gone to shit because of far, far left wing policies and allowing ANTIFA to essentially run the city.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @8.1    last year

ChatGPT fact check on this:

Here’s a tight fact-check of each part:

1) “The left says Trump is a threat only because of what he said, not what he did.” — Mostly false.
Major criticisms have centered on actions as well as rhetoric: the 2017–18 travel-ban orders, the 2018 “zero-tolerance” policy that led to family separations, and conduct surrounding Jan. 6 documented by the House Select Committee. ( U.S. Department of Homeland Security )

2) “Attacking a federal ICE facility NIGHTLY is the true national-security threat.” — Overstated.
Portland has seen repeated protests at the ICE field office, and there have been arrests and isolated arson incidents (e.g., June 13, 2025). But available reporting shows periodic clashes, not verified “nightly attacks.” In 2020, most nightly federal confrontations centered on the courthouse , not the ICE site. Recent local coverage describes protests and an increased federal presence, but not nightly attacks. ( )

3) “Portland has gone to hell because far-left policies let ANTIFA run the city.” — Unsupported / opinion.
“Antifa runs the city” has no evidentiary basis; Portland is governed by its elected mayor and council. Crime data show a spike in homicides in 2021–22, followed by declines in 2023 and a sharp drop reported in 2025; that picture complicates the blanket “gone to hell” claim. Homelessness has risen—serious and visible—but attributing outcomes solely to “far-left policies” is a causal assertion not established by the data cited. ( OregonLive Projects )

Bottom line: Parts of the claim mix opinion with exaggeration. There have been protest incidents (some violent) at federal sites, including ICE, but “nightly attacks” isn’t supported by the record; and the broader portrayals of Trump criticism and Portland governance don’t match the documented facts.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9  seeder  JohnRussell    last year
As you’ve probably heard by now, Hair Füror has ordered the  military to take over Portland Oregon .

As is our old tradition, we present Ken Burns documentary-style letters from the resistance to their loved ones.


“My dearest Olive, I write from behind enemy lines in war torn Pioneer Courthouse Square. The single-bean coffee supply is running out, we probably haven’t long before craft cocktails are gone, too. I’ve seen things, terrible things like folks walk around with empty containers from Kenny and Zuke’s, tears streaming down their faces, their Lululemon torn asunder. Even the hot yoga studios have fallen. If you don’t hear from me tomorrow, check for my remains near my fixie as I am heading out to the battle in the Alphabet district. Know my last thoughts were of you and Salt & Straw. Your loving Tate”

The Battle of Portland | Mock Paper Scissors
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10  Vic Eldred    last year

"Trump's threats against American cities are illegal, authoritarian, and an attempt to silence free speech and intimidate the American people," he wrote. "We stand united."

The Federal government is in charge of immigration. The government has every right to protect Federal ICE Agents and Federal ICE facilities.

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.1  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @10    last year

The hypocrisy of the left is so overwhelming it is hard to keep up with it.

For four years under the dementia "president and his DEI VP, states like Texas and Florida tried to curb the estimated 20 million illegals that swarmed into the country, but the Biden admin did everything to stop them, going as far as saying immigration is a federal matter, not states, and judge shopped to stop them. . 

Now, because but Truuuuuuuuuuuuuump, all of a sudden, they do not want the federal government to do their jobs and have judge shopped rogue democratic activist judges to stop them because they have no other way.

Most Americans are sick and tired of the bullshit from the left and hope they do not gain control of the federal government for a long, long time, if ever.

They are a serious threat to the safety of this country.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @10.1    last year
For four years under the dementia "president and his DEI VP, states like Texas and Florida tried to curb the estimated 20 million illegals that swarmed into the country, but the Biden admin did everything to stop them, going as far as saying immigration is a federal matter, not states, and judge shopped to stop them. . 

Absurd exaggeration.   When one has to stoop to such ridiculous levels of exaggeration rather than state facts and sound logic, one really needs to reevaluate their positions.

ChatGPT on the quoted nonsense:

Short answer: the claim is mostly false/misleading.

1) “20 million illegals” under Biden — not supported by data.
Official CBP figures show ~10.25M nationwide encounters from Jan 2021–Jul 2024 (about 8.3M at the Southwest land border). “Encounters” include people who were quickly expelled or removed and can count the same person more than once , so they are not “people who entered and stayed.” Independent fact-checkers have repeatedly flagged the “20+ million” talking point as unsubstantiated. ( Reuters )

2) “Immigration is a federal matter” — that’s longstanding law.
The Supreme Court held in Arizona v. United States (2012) that federal authority preempts states on core immigration enforcement. That position predates the Biden administration and applies no matter who is in the White House.

3) What actually happened with Texas and Florida.

  • Texas: The U.S. Justice Department sued to block Texas’s SB 4 (a state illegal-entry crime). In 2025 the 5th Circuit said SB 4 is unconstitutional because it intrudes on federal power. Separately, there were fights over razor wire and river barriers; litigation bounced among courts, with the Supreme Court at one point allowing federal agents to cut the wire while the case continued. These were legal preemption fights, not proof that Washington “wanted more illegal immigration.” ( National Immigrant Justice Center )

  • Florida: Several provisions of Florida’s immigration crackdown have been blocked or limited by federal courts on preemption grounds. Those rulings flow from the same federal-vs-state authority principles, not from a unique Biden-era invention. ( Reuters )

4) “Judge-shopped to stop them.”
“Judge shopping” has been a broader controversy in recent years (often involving cases against the administration filed in certain Texas divisions). In 2024 the federal judiciary announced a policy to curb judge shopping by pushing random case assignment in suits targeting government policies—an acknowledgment that the problem is systemic, not one-sided. ( Reuters )

Bottom line:

  • The “20 million” figure is wildly inflated. ( Reuters )

  • Courts—not just the administration—have long limited how far states can go on immigration because the Constitution gives that power primarily to the federal government.

  • Lawsuits over Texas and Florida reflect those preemption rules; they’re not evidence that Washington “did everything to stop” states from enforcing the border in general. ( National Immigrant Justice Center )

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.1.2  bugsy  replied to  bugsy @10.1    last year

To the person that responded to me.

I have you on ignore.  I don't care what you have to stay.

Stop replying to me as I will not acknowledge your post.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @10.1.2    last year

Ignore does not take away the right of a poster to reply to what you post.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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10.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.3    last year

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Sparty On
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10.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.4    last year

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Vic Eldred
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10.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.1    last year

You know who programed ChatGPT?  You can forget about us buying that.

Nobody knows the real number, but we know the door was left open for 4 years.

This may help:

"The exact size of the surge, however, is likely even larger than government data shows because it relies on the once-in-a-decade US Census, which tends to get fewer replies from migrants worried about their legal status.

Mehlman, with FAIR, said the damage of such massive unchecked illegal migration is costing taxpayers more than $150 billion each year.

The CBO estimates that wage growth for Americans who did not attend college will be lower than it would have been in the coming years because of the recent surge.

The bulk of the surge in immigration can be attributed to the Biden administration’s easing of the strict policies put in place by President-elect Donald Trump, along with surging asylum approval rates that peaked at 52.6% in September 2023.

America’s foreign born population now makes up a record 15.2% of the US, surpassing the previous high of 14.8 percent in 1890 — just two years before Ellis Island opened to deal with the influx of immigrants, according to the CBO and US Census Bureau."

US immigration surge under Biden administration is biggest in US history

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.3    last year
Ignore does not take away the right of a poster to reply to what you post.

For a while it did.

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.7    last year

If there is fair warning given, and the person on ignore continues to reply, that should be deemed taunting, or at least trolling.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.6    last year
You know who programed ChatGPT? 

Good grief Vic, do some research so that you at least understand the basics of AI tools such as ChatGPT.

I know it is unfortunate that we have AI to provide quick fact checks so of course you will try to discredit sources that show your beliefs are wrong.

20 million new illegals did not enter and domicile in the USA under Biden.   There was an increase in the immigrant population in the USA but to exaggerate that into 20 million new is just stupid.  We do not even have 20 million illegals in total.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.7    last year

Bring this up in meta rather than derail JR's article.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.9    last year
20 million new illegals did not enter and domicile in the USA under Biden. 

That is BULL SHIT.

Nobody knows how many waltzed into this country in those 4 years.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.11    last year
body knows how many waltzed into this country in those 4 years.

Intentionally.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.10    last year

You made a comment that raised eyebrows. Some might call it provocative.

As for JR's article, I'll say it again: the federal government has every right to protect its agents and its facilities.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1.12    last year

The sky is the limit on that.

 
 
 
bugsy
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10.1.15  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.13    last year

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Sparty On
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10.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  bugsy @10.1.8    last year

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TᵢG
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10.1.17  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.11    last year

Do you not know that the total number of domiciled illegals is less than 20 million??

How is it that you think 20 million new illegals are now living here?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.13    last year
… the federal government has every right to protect its agents and its facilities.

Of course it does, when there is just cause. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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10.1.19  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.17    last year

Vic wasn’t the one who said there was 20 million.    

Regardless, you keep picking at that number to avoid dealing with the fact that in October 2023 it was estimated we had the highest % of illegal immigrants in US history.    Driven by the Biden border debacle causing a steep increase in illegal immigration into the US.   Yes, more that the great “legal” migration in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s

The actual total number of illegal immigrants is estimated at 14 million total.    If anything that number is likely low since the undocumented are almost impossible to count.

Note the steep increase in the Biden years.    Nearly a 40% increase in three years.    An unprecedented increased rate of immigration.

Own it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.20  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.19    last year
Vic wasn’t the one who said there was 20 million.    

He is defending it!

Regardless, you keep picking at that number to avoid dealing with the fact that in October 2023 it was estimated we had the highest % of illegal immigrants in US history.    

I have not argued that illegals increased under Biden.   Pay attention.   I have argued that the number claimed is ridiculous.

Own it.

You created a strawman argument.   You pretend I argued that illegals did not increase under Biden.   Instead of engaging in such a dishonest tactic, attempt to rebut the argument I actually did make.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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10.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.20    last year

Nope, I can safely say you likely wrote zero articles besmirching Bidens border debacle.   Therefore you supported it by deliberate omission.   Had it been Trump who did that your comments and articles slamming him would be copious indeed.

Keep trying to gaslight that it’s a strawman.    Only the triggered are buying it.

I have not argued that illegals increased under Biden.

I didn’t say you did 

Pay attention. 

Take your own advice

 
 
 
TᵢG
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10.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.21    last year

Yeah typical bullshit.   You either failed to carefully read what I wrote and just presumed OR you knew what I wrote and could not come up with a rebuttal so you created a strawman.

Either way, your post is dead wrong and now you are trying to mask that fact.

I can safely say you likely wrote zero articles besmirching Bidens border debacle.   Therefore you supported it by deliberate omission. 

This is idiotic.  Amazing that anyone would even think to write such nonsense.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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10.1.23  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.22    last year
This is idiotic.  Amazing that anyone would even think to write such nonsense.

See there you go.     Something we can agree on.    I think exactly the same of your comments.    In spades.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
10.1.24  Right Down the Center  replied to  bugsy @10.1.8    last year

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Krishna
Professor Guide
10.1.26  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @10.1    last year
the Biden admin did everything to stop them

From what you just said, it sounds like Biden's abusing his power.

He should be impeached and removed from office immediately (if not sooner!)

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Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
11  Robert in Ohio    last year

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11    last year

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Sparty On
Professor Guide
11.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1    last year

Just the gal you want to bring home to meet mom and dad …..

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
11.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1    last year

Only in America do we have a President saying don't take Tylenol because it might give you autism but suggested injecting detergents to kill Covid...

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Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
11.1.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1    last year

Totally irrelevant to the point I made.  As usual

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11.1.3    last year

I know. You don't like Trump.

We got that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
11.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.2    last year

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Thomas
Professor Guide
11.1.6  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.5    last year

I don't recall that false dichotomy ever being raised before covid. 

I am sure you remember these  

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.4    last year

Do you approve of deploying the military into US cities when it is clear that none of them have emergency situations —not even remotely close— requiring such an extraordinary measure?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
11.1.8  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.5    last year

WTF?

Who are you alledging treats viruses with Communism? 

(Or is that just a Fig Newton of your imagination???)

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
11.1.9  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.4    last year

Whether I support or detest Trump is not the point, your response was irrelevant to the point it addressed

 
 
 
Snuffy
Professor Participates
12  Snuffy    last year

Yeah, Portland sure is peaceful these days.  No need for any additional help there...   (those fucking partisan idiots)

Ice Cube has spoken out on social media following a fire that damaged his crew’s bus last week in Portland, Oregon, during a stop on his   Truth to Power   tour.

Initial reports allege that the attack was instigated by protesters who mistakenly identified the vehicle—due to its prominent “ICE” letters—as belonging to   U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement . According to   The Times of India   newspaper, a group believed to be associated with   Antifa   threw incendiary devices at the bus, causing significant exterior damage but not causing any injuries.

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Krishna
Professor Guide
12.1  Krishna  replied to  Snuffy @12    last year
Initial reports allege

I would hope that most people here would realize that there's a big difference between "Allege; and actually "Prove as fact"

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
13  Gsquared    last year
Trump Authorizes Troops To Use 'Full Force' against citizens

He did say he hates his opponents.  This is the logical outcome.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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14  Trout Giggles    last year

Hold up! Somebody fired at an ICE facility in Dallas, TX! Why aren't the troops deploying there?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Guide
14.1  Krishna  replied to  Trout Giggles @14    last year
Hold up! Somebody fired at an ICE facility in Dallas, TX! Why aren't the troops deploying there?

An excellent question!!!

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
15  freepress    last year

Using immigrants was the excuse to target Americans in American cities just because Trump wants violence not peace. Trump isn't promoting peace here at home. 

No Democrat ever elected would dream of going after red state cities by force using the military no matter what conspiracy nuts spew online.

We are a free nation, we need to remain a free nation, freedom is for all Americans, in all American states and all American cities and for all American political parties. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, etc, we are all Americans. Targeting one and where does it end? What happens if Libertarians speak out, what then? 

Trump is proposing ending our freedom based on his personal revenge fantasies.

Is this what MAGA wants? Once they invade a city don't be fooled by what happens next, they won't leave.

So if Democrats are the target what happens if they are married to a Republican? Is the Republican spouse going to stand by while his Democrat wife is treated like ICE is doing to perceived immigrants? Many being snatched up turn out to be legal or actual American citizens.

This is where it is going and the military speeches given today confirming it are no joke. 

Dems want healthcare and reasonable gun control disagreeing with Republicans.

Is this worth losing our freedoms sending American military into American cities over different political views? 

The use of immigration as a real false flag only to switch focus onto fellow Americans who are Democrats.

Insanity, just an unforgivable unacceptable escalation that is not making America great again.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
15.1  Gsquared  replied to  freepress @15    last year
Is this what MAGA wants?

It appears so.

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
15.2  Thomas  replied to  freepress @15    last year

I don't know about MAGA, they are just the enabling faction, but it is relatively safe to say Trump wants full and unabridged control of the country, the military, and the economic levers of power. 

I have been saying this for quite some time now and people seem to be clinging to their outmoded fantasies of the strength of the US government to control an actor of bad faith, much less multiple actors of bad faith. These actors are the President, his administration, the Congress, the SCotUS, and the billionaires who support this on-its-face takeover of the democratic process. Whether you choose to call the replacement oligarchy, kleptocracy, authoritarianism, or just good old-fashioned fascism, the hollowing out that has already occurred in both the removal of guardrails from the many institutions, the creation of doubt by calling real news fake news, and the continual, incessant propaganda that emanates from the MAGA's dear leader and his many mouthpieces will create the style of government that most people are still saying, "Oh. That cannot happen here. We're America." 

Guess what? It can happen hear and it is happening here. Get off your collective asses and Join the Resistance.  

 
 

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