What will not be a surprise is lunatic leftists will call him, once again, TACO, and will be pissed they won't be able to call him a war criminal if he did bomb bridges and power plants.
It is easy to predict what leftists will whine about at pretty much any given time
“A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again,” Trump had written at the time. “I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will.”
I have long since determined that some people are so lost in their cultish support of Trump that reason is futile.
When I challenge Trump supporters, it is simply to expose the irrational thought process, not that I expect them to magically break free of the cultish tie.
If 10% of people said Charlie Manson was the worst person of all time, and 10% said he was a misunderstood and kindly genius, would it be alright for the middle 80% to hold both positions at the same time depending on circumstances? Its absurd and ridiculous.
If 10% of people said Charlie Manson was the worst person of all time, and 10% said he was a misunderstood and kindly genius, would it be alright for the middle 80% to hold both positions at the same time depending on circumstances?
Do us all a favor and abandon the idea that you know how any of us think.
To borrow your analogy, if 20% of the people either loved or feared Manson so much that they could hardly talk about anything else and every other issue in their lives very quickly devolved into another Manson conversation, the remaining 80% of us would be quite justified in writing off the crazies and moving on with our lives.
Trumps approval rating is in the neighborhood of 35%. Where do you come up with the 80% figure representing people who can take him or leave him depending on the day of the week? Its absurd and ridiculous.
You are wrong. Unlike some on the left there is no one on the right browbeating anyone trying to change their mind. They seem to have a better grasp on believing everyone is welcome to their own opinion
there is no one on the right browbeating anyone trying to change their mind. They seem to have a better grasp on believing everyone is welcome to their own opinion
Trumps approval rating is in the neighborhood of 35%.
Probably so.
Where do you come up with the 80% figure representing people who can take him or leave him depending on the day of the week?
I don't understand how you don't understand the concept of mild or moderate disapproval.
Rational, well adjusted people may oppose one action but approve of another. They understand that nobody is right all the time, and nobody is wrong all the time.
They think rationally.
They might oppose the war but approve of immigration enforcement. They may approve of building a wall but oppose mass deportations. Or vice versa. They may oppose student loan caps but approve of savings accounts for children. Or vice versa. They may even understand the need for military action against Iran but disapprove of how it's being carried out.
Rational thought provides a veritable cornucopia of ideological options.
MAGA die hards take whatever Trump is doing and declare it good because Trump did it. These people would jump off a fucking building if Trump told them they could fly.
TDS die hards take whatever Trump is doing and declare it bad because Trump did it. These people would die of suffocation if Trump came out in support of breathing.
The overwhelming majority of Americans are NOT raving nutjobs, no matter how much the extremists like to demand fealty to one side or the other.
I know we will never get you to stop both sidesing Trump, it seems to be one of your core beliefs.
Is Donald Trump fit to be president of the United States? There is a very strong case to be made that he is NOT.
Therefore there is no such thing as TDS, or being too harsh on him. He should resign or be removed. Its not my problem that you like to endlessly pretend otherwise.
After today, the rational majority should be calling for the removal of Trump as PotUS.
I understand that most people never played competitive sports, and so have little experience with idle threats and trash talk. Most people have never dealt with NY real estate developers, so they don't understand how to operate with someone if 80+% of what they say is obviously false.
Rational people are rational enough to understand the difference between talk and action.
I've told you for years to watch what he does rather than what he says. That's how rational people operate.
I know you enjoy the fixation so I know you'll reject that idea, but that's what the 80% are doing.
TDS die hards take whatever Trump is doing and declare it bad because Trump did it.
This is the key problem. Trump is routinely saying and doing the wrong things so criticism is abundant.
Thus you cannot judge by the volume or frequency of the criticism but the merits.
You are tossing about the now cliché platitude of “TDS” on a day when Trump threatened to destroy an entire civilization. This is not merely a policy disagreement. It is a profoundly serious problem. We have a lunatic controlling the greatest military in history.
I know you enjoy the fixation so I know you'll reject that idea ...
You demonstrate that you have no clue how I operate.
Rational people are rational enough to understand the difference between talk and action.
What arrogance!
Rational people understand that when a PotUS threatens to destroy a civilization, this is not some minor policy issue. This is a major problem. The PotUS is unhinged and dangerous. Carrying out his threat would be disastrous, but his rhetoric alone continues to damage this nation, and we do not yet know where his limits are for what crazy actions he might take.
Trump is unfit to be PotUS. Why is it that you did not answer my question?:
Thus you cannot judge by the volume or frequency of the criticism but the merits.
You can easily judge by the type of criticism and then their religious zealot style demands that everybody else agree.
You can judge by the obvious inconsistency of fixating on his words as though he means them and then also fixating on them because they're lies... and then refusing to acknowledge the mutual exclusivity inherent in that arrangement.
You may not like the term, but that behavior is absolutely deranged.
You can easily judge by the type of criticism and then their religious zealot style demands that everybody else agree.
And you can also take the extreme and pretend that it is the norm.
Again, we are talking on a day where the PotUS just (luckily) withdrew his threat to kill an entire civilization. This is not a work of fiction, this is the current PotUS. About time you take this shit seriously.
You demonstrate that you have no clue how I operate.
Are we supposed to pretend this is your first day on this forum? That there isn't a 20 mile train of posts?
What arrogance!
What irony!
Rational people understand that when a PotUS threatens to destroy a civilization, this is not some minor policy issue.
Ordinarily it wouldn't be. These are not ordinary times and he is not an ordinary president. Ordinarily, a POTUS would be far more measured with his words, and would follow through on what he says. He would seek to calm and assure the American people. I think I've said repeatedly I very much prefer that style of leadership.
But Trump doesn't work that way, and at this stage it's positively idiotic to believe he will. So operating in the "President Trump" world requires the American people provide their own calm and assurance. That requires them to attempt some level of discernment in the face of often outlandish, uncomfortable, and sometimes ludicrous statements from their government.
Personally, I'm Generation X. My government told me that I could protect myself from a nuclear fireball by taking shelter under a particleboard desk with no sides. I'm used to them being completely full of shit, so very little surprises me anymore.
And still you clearly get it wrong. You created a fantasy and are pretending it is real.
But Trump doesn't work that way, and at this stage it's positively idiotic to believe he will.
Here again, you pretend that people expect Trump to act presidential and rational. As you often do, you invent a behavior and then apply it far too generously. The fact that he is criticized for his behavior does not mean that the critics expect him to behave properly.
Does it really amount to 'joining a cult' to answer one simple question? Is Trump fit to be PotUS?
That should require no cult membership to answer, though giving a 'both sides' answer basically admits which side you're really on if you can't just answer honestly and have to hedge it with a bunch of boring switch-hitter platitudes. And it doesn't require cult membership to accept the standard definition of 'fit' and not dance around pretending it has a broader meaning of 'don't think he's going to destroy the world or America so everybody calm down' fit.
A conservative Christian website claiming that conservatives show more "empathy" than liberals. Sure. Especially towards gays, trans people, atheists, Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims... Totally believable.
Do you agree with Senator Markey or do you consider him an extremist?:
Boston (April 7, 2026) - Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) released the following statement calling for the Congress to remove President Donald Trump from office after threatening “ a whole civilization will die ” if Iran and the United States do not reach a deal to end the war that Trump started.
“With each passing day, it becomes increasingly apparent that Donald Trump is unstable and a clear and present danger, not just to the American people but to the world. He must be removed from office before he causes incalculable and unfathomable harm.
“At this point, a war powers resolution, although required under our constitutional order, will not be enough. We have a warmonger in the White House. He has threatened war crimes on an apocalyptic scale and appears eager to commit them , including through the possible use of nuclear weapons. We cannot fund this illegal war. The Congress must act now.
“The House and Senate must return to session. The House must pass articles of impeachment, and then the Senate must vote to convict and remove the President. Or, the cabinet and Vice President, with congressional concurrence, must invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump. His threats cannot be dismissed as mere rhetoric. This is as grave a moment as the world has faced in the nuclear era. ”
That's a pretty hilarious bullshit pic painting the left as crazy 'antifa' socialists and the fucking piece of shit Christo-fascists on the right as just regular America loving rational folk when it couldn't be further from the truth. Here are the real pictures:
On the Left:
And on the right:
Those on the right look nothing like your peaceful little fantasy cartoon.
And many of those 80% in the middle likely went to the 'No Kings' rally and will likely not vote for another Republican for a very long time after seeing how Trump has pissed all over our nation since taking office.
After you've done that, stop trying to pretend I said the opposite of what is written simply because you can't logically refute what is actually there.
There is no denying that you exaggerate. Your posts tend to cast positions different from "nothing to see here", "everything will be okay", etc. as extreme and/or hysterical.
Asking if you believe a President, based on his words and actions, is fit to serve as President, is definitely NOT a cult question. It's an American question we've been asking each other for centuries. Calling it 'a cult question' clearly shows you ARE part of Trumps cult no matter how much you try and deny it.
However I agree with this depiction, there is only one side that has shown over the past decade a passion for hating this country, anyone that does not think like them should be silenced, or even arrested, violence, assassination of those that speak and think differently, and tried to assassinate a presidential candidate and a president three times in only a couple of years.
And it ain't the right side doing it.
Another thing.
Although you will see anti sematism from the fringes of both sides of the political spectrum, those on the right have been very quiet in their hate as those on the left are spewing enough of it to tide both sides over for many years.
there is only one side that has shown over the past decade a passion for hating this country
Which is of course, the rightwing Christo-fascists who put their religious belief and their bibles before the constitution and our country. They are those un-American pricks that are trying to drag us into their religious war where these fucking religious extremists are apparently trying to jump-start Armageddon because they're convinced they are the prophesized winners. Of course, all three of these dip-shit religious groups think God is on their side, yet not a single one can even prove their God exists. Yet here we are getting dragged into their stupid pointless ignorant selfish inane religious wars. Talk about groups actually hating our constitutional Republic, rightwing Christo-fascists and their religious extremist Muslim counterparts fit that bill to a "T". They only support the constitution when its being used to protect their religion, when it's used to protect other peoples rights, they shit all over it and say it doesn't apply.
Although you will see anti sematism from the fringes of both sides of the political spectrum, those on the right have been very quiet in their hate
I noticed you refused to answer a question posed by multiple people on this seed, and you refer to it as a "cult question". Why is it a cult question (it is obviously very relevant to what is happening in our government) and why do you have no answer?
I'll help you - Trump has never been fit for office. Before he was even nominated in 2016 it was widely known he was a pathological liar, had bankrupted casinos and his investors while at the same time giving himself bonuses, perpetrated fraud through Trump University, and had perpetrated the racist birther hoax in 2011 (even though by that time state officials in Hawaii had twice publicly stated that Obama's original birth certificate was in the state archives. ) There are mountains of evidence Trump is not fit, and you relate it to cult behavior? ROFL.
I noticed you refused to answer a question posed by multiple people on this seed, and you refer to it as a "cult question".
Because it is.
Why is it a cult question (it is obviously very relevant to what is happening in our government) and why do you have no answer?
I doubt very seriously you really want to know, but I'll tell you anyway.
Several reasons.
The question itself is a religious purity test. In traditional fashion, it's presented as a binary option. The responder must declare one of only two choices, at which point they will be branded either a believer or an infidel based on their response.
There is no room for nuance, there is no accommodation for variance of opinion, subtlety, degree of commitment, discernment, or any of the other basic, basic things that rational, intelligent people use every day.
Secondly, the sole purpose of this question is to determine whether or not a person is with you or against you, allowing for no other option. This enables the identification of any who are not with you so they can be browbeat senseless for daring to actually engage their intellect and develop a nuanced opinion.
Extreme emphasis on conformity and discouragement of rational, independent thought is exactly how cults work. It's also how mean girl cliques in junior high schools work.
Thirdly, there's almost no chance that any of us would likely agree on the definition of either "fit" or "unfit".
If we were all sitting in a room and somebody gave us all sheets of paper and asked us independently to define either of those words without consulting each other, none of those definitions would match.
So who gets to define the word, and why should I accept their definition? Because you said so? Because Tig said so? Why shouldn't I be allowed to think for myself? More importantly, why is it so threatening when I do?
The police record is very clear that Nazis in the photo were behaving within the law when they were attacked by armed left-wing counter protesters.
The event is an unhappy example of left-wingers who believe that if they don't like what you're saying, they have the right to leave their rally, come to yours, and beat you with a club.
Probably not the best photo to use if you're trying to prove right-wingers are doing all the violence.
As if the interwebs are not full of crazy violent leftist photos.
Are there any photos of thousands of leftists attacking officers with flag poles, beating them, vandalizing our nation's Capital, breaking in and chasing after elected legislators while chanting to hang the vice President of the United States and intending to stop our constitutionally mandated election process? Are there photos of thousands of leftists marching in the street with confederate flags, Nazi flags and torches shouting in unison "Jews will not replace us!"? You seem to think there is some sort of equivalence where there is none. The cartoon fantasy and constant defense of rightwing conservatives and this criminal President sort of give the game away as to allegiance, nobody is fooled.
Trump has so crossed the line of fitness that there is no gray area anymore. The lunatic is unfit for office.
Not to recognize that is bizarre.
It is easy to recognize that Trump is unfit. Any PotUS who threatens to destroy an entire civilization is unfit for office. No other analysis is required; that is so over the top that only an irrational, cultish mindset would deem Trump fit.
You do. It is considered a cult question (which was explained) and he doesn't want to answer it. Another sign of being in a cult is ignoring what someone says and drawing an incorrect conclusion anyway. WHat conclusion did you draw?
No thinking required to pull a quip off the shelf.
No thinking required to ask binary questions.
You should know by now that I generally match the tone of the conversation I'm in. So I'm investing exactly the same amount of intellectual effort you are.
a question most people could answer in a few seconds.
I'm sure you're almost desperate to think that.
We have all we need to know.
Glad I could be of help. But let's not pretend you were interested in understanding anybody else's view, or that you learned anything from me today that you didn't know already.
You should know by now that I generally match the tone of the conversation I'm in.
Bullshit. You are the one who routinely takes the discussion south when things do not go your way, and then make exaggerated claims of mistreatment when I reciprocate (even gently).
Give it a rest, your game is tired.
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS? Is Senator Markey @1.1.40 wrong?
There was one squad car on fire, which I'll admit, is still too much, whoever did it should go to jail. Equivalent to January 6th? Not even fucking close. It is funny though how rightwing media started showing footage during the 2025 LA protest from 2020 of multiple police cars on fire and of course the gullible right-wing morons believed it.
Locking federal employees in their office building and trying to set it on fire in Portland.
So way overblown, some protesters block an exit and others threw some fireworks, unless you have some other story you're claiming, but equivalent to rightwing violence and hate? No where close.
Declaring independence from the US in Seattle.
Oh please, that's such silly nonsense. As if that means a fucking thing. You can declare yourself Emperor of your local Taco Bell, I doubt anyone is going to give a fuck.
Executing a coordinated ambush against LEOs in Alvarado.
Ten or so apparently extremist individuals did that shit and I think they should all be executed for their crimes. Was it a large gathering of thousands of those on the left who did that shit? Of course not, that's not who the left is no matter how much the right tries to paint them that way.
Hundreds of cities on fire in 2020.
Utter bullshit. Boy have you drank the cool aid. Please do provide the list of "Hundreds of cities on fire in 2020". How anyone can believe that shit is truly mindboggling.
Utter bullshit. Boy have you drank the cool aid. Please do provide the list of "Hundreds of cities on fire in 2020". How anyone can believe that shit is truly mindboggling.
How do you explain over a billion dollars worth of damage and 20 or more deaths?
It's utterly honest. You ONCE AGAIN presented a question in a binary format. I dunno how you're trying to deny that at this point.
You are the one who routinely takes the discussion south when things do not go your way, and then make exaggerated claims of mistreatment when I reciprocate (even gently).
Do point to where I have called you "dishonest" or "lazy".
I've lost count of the conversations where you insult people for 3 or 4 days and then are somehow surprised when they suddenly return the tone.
Where do you stand?
Be specific and be prepared for a nuanced answer.
Is Trump fit to be PotUS?
Still a cult question, still not interested. Why don't you try asking a more intelligent one?
I think he's probably justified in both alarm and condemnation of Trump's comments about "ending a civilization". That was obviously a highly inappropriate thing to post publicly, regardless of what he may have actually been trying to say.
Do I think Trump should be removed from office? No. It's not like the American people didn't know what they were voting for when they elected him. They chose this man as the president knowing full well what he was like, and you don't get to void their right to self governance simply because you don't like the guy they chose. You can try to rationalize that by shouting "unfit" 3 million times, but that's still just your opinion and it counts exactly as much as everybody else's.
If the American people go to the polls in November and elect a large enough majority of Democrats to actually remove him from office, then that is also them exercising their right of self governance.
So I agree with Markey on some things, disagree on others, respect his differing opinion, and don't feel the need to call him names or assign him some sort of idiotic label. See how this works?
Do point to where I have called you "dishonest" or "lazy".
Okay, time to point out personal vs. content attacks since you are constantly conflating the two. I did not call you dishonest and lazy, I called your post dishonest and lazy. A dishonest post or a lie or a strawman, etc. are all about the content you penned ... not about you. If I call your post a lie that is very different from claiming that you, the person, are a liar. The former speaks about the content of the post, the latter speaks to your character as an individual.
There is a key difference between talking about the person vs. the person's post. This is something I am confident you already know, but you chose to try to play a victim card ... another slimy tactic. (Note, again, the focus is on what you wrote ... not who you are.)
Do I think Trump should be removed from office? No.
As I expected from your reluctance to answer.
It's not like the American people didn't know what they were voting for when they elected him.
A truly stupid argument. You think most voters expected that Trump, especially based on all his criticism of war, would wind up starting a war and then ... much worse ... threaten to kill an entire civilization over an economic channel??
Further, even if voters did know this, how do you possibly justify keeping in office a lunatic who would threaten such carnage over a matter of opening up an economic channel? What PotUS in history would threaten to destroy an entire civilization because they are holding hostage an economic channel (after being bombed by the same PotUS)?
See how this works?
Now, on seeing how things work. Your argument is stupid. Your quips are dishonest and lazy. etc. That is not the same as me calling you stupid, dishonest, or lazy. I personally do not hold that belief. Indeed, my expectations for you are much higher than the crap you are posting recently.
And to make this super clear to readers:
JackTX@1.1.80: Do I think Trump should be removed from office? No.
They chose this man as the president knowing full well what he was like, and you don't get to void their right to self governance simply because you don't like the guy they chose. You can try to rationalize that by shouting "unfit" 3 million times, but that's still just your opinion and it counts exactly as much as everybody else's.
This seems like a desperate argument. You suggest that the fact Trump won the election makes him fit for office today. By that logic Biden was fit for office throughout his entire term.
But Trump has never been fit for office. And using your logic any politician that wins an election is fit for office until he or she loses an election or retires, no matter how corrupt , stupid, dishonest, or psychologically unstable they are.
It's interesting and predictable about how when left wing lunatics commit violence it's always "way overblown".
Oh please, that's such silly nonsense.
Most protests are. But in this particular one, they declared themselves "autonomous" from the United States.
You can declare yourself Emperor of your local Taco Bell, I doubt anyone is going to give a fuck.
If you barricade yourself inside I think they'll notice
Ten or so apparently extremist individuals
Apparently??
and I think they should all be executed for their crimes.
What should happen to whom isn't the point of the discussion. You're trying to make this ridiculous assertion that RW violence is somehow more severe or worse than LW violence. That's obviously not the case, and to defend this silly opinion you're having to pretend like the vast list of LW violence somehow doesn't count.
You suggest that the fact Trump won the election makes him fit for office today.
Citation? Or are you just guessing again?
By that logic Biden was fit for office throughout his entire term.
Not at all. But I spoke out against his removal from office, also.
But Trump has never been fit for office.
I'm not sure if you realize it, but you've actually said that once or twice before. The thing is.... that is your opinion. Other people disagree with you, and they are allowed to think for themselves.
And using your logic
You've made no effort to understand my logic. Don't pretend otherwise.
I'm not sure you could have demonstrated my point any better had you set out with that specific purpose.
There are two primary differences between our views. First, mine rational, nuanced, and open to change as new information arises. Second, I'm happy to allow you your own opinion, even if it is just mostly a mountain of bias.
Given that you think a PotUS who just threatened the killing of an entire civilization is fit for office, your comments on this matter are fundamentally flawed.
Which is of course, the rightwing Christo-fascists who put their religious belief and their bibles before the constitution and our country. They are those un-American pricks that are trying to drag us into their religious war where these fucking religious extremists are apparently trying to jump-start Armageddon because they're convinced they are the prophesized winners. Of course, all three of these dip-shit religious groups think God is on their side, yet not a single one can even prove their God exists. Yet here we are getting dragged into their stupid pointless ignorant selfish inane religious wars. Talk about groups actually hating our constitutional Republic, rightwing Christo-fascists and their religious extremist Muslim counterparts fit that bill to a "T". They only support the constitution when its being used to protect their religion, when it's used to protect other peoples rights, they shit all over it and say it doesn't apply.
The Guardian is publishing substantial quoted passages alongside contextual annotations so that the public may be informed on what an influential figure in politics and technology was saying behind closed doors.
He believes the Armageddon will be ushered in by an antichrist-type figure who cultivates a fear of existential threats such as climate change, AI and nuclear war to amass inordinate power. The idea is this figure will convince people to do everything they can to avoid something like a third world war, including accepting a one-world order charged with protecting everyone from the apocalypse that implements a complete restriction of technological progress. In his mind, this is already happening. Thiel said that international financial bodies, which make it more difficult for people to shelter their wealth in tax havens, are one sign the antichrist may be amassing power and hastening Armageddon, saying: “It’s become quite difficult to hide one’s money.”
President Donald Trump is using Christian rhetoric to rally core supporters behind the increasingly unpopular war with Iran, religious and political experts say - a message amplified from pulpits by evangelical leaders who cast it as a struggle between good and evil.
Jackson Lahmeyer, an evangelical pastor and Trump supporter who is running for the U.S. Congress, said in an interview he has told his Tulsa, Oklahoma, congregation in some Sunday sermons that wars are typically battles between good and evil and that Iran was no exception.
"Evil people exist, and if you don't deal with them, they'll deal with you," he said. "Good and evil, that's the story of the Bible. The good news is that at the end good always wins."
White evangelicals are among Trump’s strongest supporters: more than 80% voted for him in 2024, according to exit polls, and surveys have shown they account for about one-third of his support.
This political reality is a major reason why Trump and members of his cabinet are increasingly leaning into religious framing of the conflict, several political and religious experts told Reuters.
"Look at Mr. Trump's standing in the polls and recognize he only has a little more than a third of the public on his side. A big part of that constituency is made up of white evangelical Christians," said Jim Guth, a political science professor at Furman University in South Carolina who studies religion in U.S. politics.
TRUMP LIKENED TO JESUS IN WHITE HOUSE MEETING
The prominent evangelist Franklin Graham has praised the strikes on Iran in biblical terms and likened Trump to the biblical figure of Esther, a Jewish queen who, according to the Bible, was elevated by God to save her people from annihilation in ancient Persia, now modern-day Iran.
Jeffress, the First Baptist Church pastor in Texas who was among the faith leaders who laid hands on Trump during the meeting, told Reuters he did not believe the Iran war was against Islam or Muslims, but "a spiritual war between good and evil, between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan."
Forget talking points (both D and R) and focus on the facts.
Trump started an unnecessary (and illegal) war, and to try to recover from his strategic blunder, he made outrageous threats that would be war crimes if executed. When the going got tough and his bluff was called, he backed out.
Put whatever adjectives you want on that.
The key takeaway is that Trump is incompetent and dangerous.
( I am very pleased that Trump backed out, and I wish reporters would stop referring to TACO. The problem is that Trump is a lunatic who might snap to the point of carrying out his threat ... even in part. )
Do you guys really think that if a car dealer can't beat his competitor's price, he's just , "... going to give you the car..."? Some of ya really need an Imagination tune-up.
From a friend: “Am I keeping score correctly? Before the war Iran had 1000 pounds of uranium and the strait of Hormuz was open. And now Iran has 1000 pounds of uranium and the strait of Hormuz might open but with Iran charging a huge toll.”
WASHINGTON ( The Borowitz Report )—In an eleventh-hour announcement on Tuesday night, Donald J. Trump gave himself a two-week deadline to come up with a new distraction from the Epstein files.
“Threatening to annihilate a nation of 90 million people worked for about a day, but now I need to come up with something else,” Trump said in a Truth Social post.
Immediately after his announcement, Trump summoned his entire Cabinet to the Situation Room to brainstorm ideas before the two-week window expires.
Distractions reportedly being considered include naming Kid Rock Attorney General, replacing Lincoln’s head on the Lincoln Memorial with his own, and putting Hannibal Lecter’s face on the dollar bill.
Reactionaries think Trump's threat to commit genocide was a clever negotiating tactic. You see it in lots of their comments on here the last couple of days. Trump's threat was immoral. The reactionaries' light-hearted support for Trump's threat as a negotiating tactic is amoral.
Yes, I just responded to a post doing just that. They try to defend an insane threat from Trump as a mere negotiating tactic. They did this starting with his trolling and tariffs and now are engaging in the same irresponsible, irrational, and unpatriotic idiocy when the lunatic threatens to kill an entire civilization.
Sure, but then that asshole became the first PotUS in our history to attempt to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement. WTF got into people to think this con-man deserved another term?
And worse, after all he has said and done now, WTF causes people to still support him?
Honesly, TiG. I thought my comment summed up everything you just said. trmp = bad POTUS...expect anything and everything corrupt and evil while he holds office
As for your question as to why they still support him....gee...IDK. It sounds like PhD thesis worthy subject
ou do not see the damage this guy has caused to the US reputation?
You think what happened to Iran damaged the US reputation? Lol.
The Afghanistan withdrawal damaged the US reputation. Destroying the armed forces, decapitating Iranian leadership, destroying infrastructure at will while Chinese defense systems were exposed as almost useless against us somehow hurt our reputation. Please.
A revealing look into the thought process of a Trump supporter.
Actually a revealing look into someone that can look at things rationally and has stayed off the hysteria train.
The lunatic threatens the killing of an entire civilization and you still defend him.
Actually someone that can look at what he said and call it out for what it is and not look at it as another excuse for the "Trump is Unfit" screaming at the clouds from the back of the Trump hysterical train.
Your refusal to answer my probative question leads one to wonder if it isn't more important for an anti trump narrative than what Iran thought about his idle threat and what it might help accomplish. That is a revealing look into the mind of a Trump hater.
There is no way to rationally hold that Trump is fit to be PotUS after he threatened to kill an entire civilization.
Of course there is. Take the threat for what it actually was instead of what one wants it to be. Especially if bashing Trump is more important than anything that Iran does because of it. That is very unpatriotic. When there is a different reason de jour for why he is unfit don't be surprised when people stop taking them seriously
Supporting Trump -especially now- is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.
Yes, that's how he negotiates. Progressives still haven't figured this out. He makes outrageous demands, makes outrageous promises etc and it creates instability. Look at the reaction to that comment. Progressives lost their minds. Even though they think they know he's bluffing. But there's a little bit of doubt. Imagine being on the other end of that. The doubt, the concern that he just might be serious creates possibilities. Iran adamantly rejected a temporary ceasefire. They've agreed to it.
It's the madman theory of negotiation. Trump has enough credibility, he's proven he'll do extraordinarily risky things at time so it works for him, and by extension the US on the international stage.
So how much trumps shit stinks will be the next thing to whine about.
Actually, it was a MS DNC idiot that whined that Hegseth said "no man left behind", instead of including women in that saying. If he had ever spent time in the military, "no man left behind" has been a staple saying in the military for decades.
Our only allies are authoritarian governments. Maybe right wingers are ok with that, but the sane among us are not. Trump alienates everyone we should be close to. Of course he has mutual admiration with Putin, Orban and Kim Jong Un.
ake the threat for what it actually was instead of what one wants it to be.
Funny how many on the left say Trump is a war criminal for saying what he never did, but have never called out Iran for killing over 35,000 civilians for the crimes they were.
Amazing how many on the left absolutely defend Iran at every turn.
Amazing how many on the left cry that Trump said that we will wipe out a civilization, but screaming "Death to America", literally for decades, is perfectly OK.
Can you really expect anything different when it's all coming from the same source? With all the lies and shit being shoved into their ears by Trump, xenophobic bigoted pastors, Fox News and the rest of rightwing media it's no wonder that their mouths dispense the hilariously moronic ideology of rightwing Christo-fascism like a verbal diarrhea soft-serve machine.
Trump supporters have no argument worth hearing at this point. There is no question that a PotUS who threatens to kill an entire civilization is unfit for office.
The single most valuable thing that the USA can do at this point is to remove this lunatic from office.
I agree, the rationale is stupid and the position is demonstrably wrong.
There is no question, at this point, that Trump is unfit. He is so far beyond the line that it is irrational not to recognize he needs to be removed from office.
You have no grounds to tell me I don't other than your declaration everyone should agree there is no question he is unfit.
According to Gemini
Whether a president is "unfit" for office is a subjective question with no single factual answer. Public opinion on Donald Trump's fitness remains deeply divided along political and ideological lines.
Arguments Regarding Fitness
Critics' Perspective: Opponents often cite his challenges to democratic norms, legal proceedings, and various policy decisions as evidence that he is unsuitable for the presidency.
Supporters' Perspective: Proponents argue that his leadership style, economic focus, and "America First" policies demonstrate that he is uniquely qualified to hold the office.
Determining fitness often depends on an individual's personal values, political priorities, and interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.
Please note there is no right answer regardless of your claim.
A president that kills, yep. A president that threatens? Distasteful, yep. Proof of unfitness? Only for those looking for confirmation bias. Even the AI gods say there is no right answer.
If Trump had carried out his threat, it would have been catastrophic. Clearly, the act itself would be worse than the threat. But the threat alone is already off the charts. You are absurdly trying to compare a threat to an actual act of catastrophic carnage and then argue, “See, it is not so bad.”
No, it is that bad. The threat alone is that bad.
Compare Trump’s threat to any threat made by any president in our history. You will not find anything comparable. No president has ever even hinted that the United States would target an entire civilization.
A president threatening to destroy a civilization is far beyond any line of rationality. No president should remain in office after making such an irresponsible, irrational, cold-blooded threat of such carnage.
Your continued attempts to defend this lunatic are despicable.
It is not but you sure are hanging your hat on it. Not to mention you are disagreeing with AI.
Compare Trump’s threat to any threat made by any president in our history. You will not find anything comparable. No president has ever even hinted that the United States would target an entire civilization.
And? Was it a contest?
A president threatening to destroy a civilization is far beyond any line of rationality. No president should remain in office after making such an irresponsible, irrational, cold-blooded threat of such carnage.
Opinion, nothing more, nothing less
Your continued attempts to defend this lunatic are despicable
But we have been told that AI such as Grok and Chat GTP are to be believed 100 percent by some on here, going to the point where more than half of the posts were AI generated.
Provide the AI you used, the prompt you entered and the response.
If you were referring to your Gemini post, all that was stated was that fitness for office is subjective. No shit! This is another example where you try to stretch an inch into a mile. A dishonest tactic.
PROMPT : Would it be rational for one to consider a PotUS unfit for office if he threatened to kill an entire civilization?
RESPONSE :
Yes. It would be rational to consider a president unfit for office if he threatened to kill an entire civilization. The presidency carries the executive power, command of the armed forces, and an oath to “faithfully execute” the office and “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” A threat of mass destruction directed at a civilian society would reasonably raise doubts about judgment, restraint, and fitness for that office. ( Congress.gov )
It is even more rational if the threat implies intentionally harming civilians. The Rome Statute identifies as a war crime the intentional direction of attacks against civilians not taking direct part in hostilities. So a person would not be irrational for concluding that a president who threatens that kind of conduct is displaying profoundly dangerous judgment. ( International Criminal Court )
That said, there is a difference between a rational political judgment and a formal constitutional determination . Saying “this person is unfit” is a defensible public judgment. Actually removing a president would still have to proceed through constitutional mechanisms such as impeachment for “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” or, in a true incapacity case, the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. ( Congress.gov )
So the careful answer is: yes, absolutely, that would be a rational conclusion . Whether it would also be enough, by itself, to justify removal is a separate constitutional question. ( Congress.gov )
ChatGPT affirms that it is rational to consider Trump unfit for office based on his recent threat. It goes on to state that this might not be enough to impeach him or invoke the 25th. And that is true because those processes are a function mostly of Congress and all the political baggage that goes along with it.
Being that most AI sources are populated by mostly left leaning sources, they are sometimes nothing more than a bias confirmation for some.
More made up bullshit:
I asked ChatGPT if "most AI sources are populated by mostly left leaning sources":
Not as a blanket statement.
The problem is that “AI sources” is vague . If you mean training data , there is some evidence that certain model datasets skew left. For example, a 2025 analysis of the fully open OLMO2 training corpora found that left-leaning documents predominated across the datasets it studied. A separate MIT-linked study found that several reward models showed a consistent left-leaning political bias . ( OpenReview )
But that still does not prove that most AI sources overall are mostly left leaning. Other studies emphasize that bias varies by model, tuning, and prompt design , and OpenAI reports that its current ChatGPT models stay near-objective on neutral or slightly slanted prompts, with signs of political bias appearing in less than 0.01% of sampled production responses in its evaluation. ( Social Sciences at UChicago )
A more accurate version would be:
“Some AI models are trained on datasets that appear to skew left, and some models can reflect that in their outputs.”
Or, if you want it even tighter:
“Some AI systems appear to draw on training data with a left-leaning skew, but it is too broad to say that most AI sources are mostly left leaning.” ( OpenReview )
Conservative podcaster Megyn Kelly tore into President Donald Trump for threatening to wipe out Iran’s civilization , calling his warning “irresponsible and disgusting.”
“I am sick of this s---. Can’t he just behave like a normal human?” Kelly said Tuesday on her podcast .
The former Fox News star directed additional criticism toward Trump’s MAGA voters and allies over their support of his “incendiary” rhetoric.
“I mean, honestly, like, ‘The president (is playing) 3D chess.’ Shut up. F---in’ shut up about that s---,” Kelly said. “You don’t threaten to wipe out an entire civilization — we’re talking about civilians — just casually in a social media post."
Earlier in the same podcast, Kelly said that Trump could “ drop a nuke ” and she would still vote Republican, remarks that highlighted the tension between her criticism of Trump’s rhetoric and her continued Republican loyalty.
If Trump says something nice about her she will forgive all his stupidity and evil doing. These right wing media figures are all ready to re-embrace Trump at a moments notice.
These right wing media figures are all ready to re-embrace Trump at a moments notice.
It is rather hilarious at how much flip-flopping they do after giving John Kerry so much shit for it.
"I actually did vote for the likely child rapist, admitted sexual predator and convicted felon, before I voted against him, and then voted for him again..."
I mean, honestly, like, ‘The president (is playing) 3D chess.’ Shut up. F---in’ shut up about that s---,” Kelly said. “You don’t threaten to wipe out an entire civilization — we’re talking about civilians — just casually in a social media post."
If this sort of thing continues, Trump may Jeopardize Republican results in the midterms . . .
Not a surprise.
Impeach this piece of shit.
What will not be a surprise is lunatic leftists will call him, once again, TACO, and will be pissed they won't be able to call him a war criminal if he did bomb bridges and power plants.
It is easy to predict what leftists will whine about at pretty much any given time
It's just as easy to predict your whining about 'leftists'.
You spelled "truth" wrong.
They get pissed if he does it and then gets pissed if he doesn't do it.
You again invent a bullshit alternate reality.
Rational minds recognize the damage Trump has just inflicted on this nation, on top of the damage he had done prior to this recent insanity.
Rational minds are relieved that this insane threat is postponed.
Rational minds call for removal of this lunatic from the presidency.
You continue to support this sick fuck?
There is nothing rational about buying into trump hysteria.
Supporting Trump is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.
Deeming criticism of a lunatic threatening to wipe out a civilization as hysteria illustrates a denial of reality.
I think its time we just give up on these people. They will never learn.
Anyone who thinks Trump will go down as anything but the worlds biggest jag-off is halllucinating.
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Yet again you invent some bullshit and toss it out.
The lunatic Trump just threatened to destroy a civilization. He is the voice, face, and hand of our nation. He continues to do damage to our nation.
And you perceive criticism of his words and deeds to be hysteria.
So, again, supporting Trump (as you continue to do) is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.
I have long since determined that some people are so lost in their cultish support of Trump that reason is futile.
When I challenge Trump supporters, it is simply to expose the irrational thought process, not that I expect them to magically break free of the cultish tie.
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Maybe AI pictures will help.......
If 10% of people said Charlie Manson was the worst person of all time, and 10% said he was a misunderstood and kindly genius, would it be alright for the middle 80% to hold both positions at the same time depending on circumstances? Its absurd and ridiculous.
Looks good
Do us all a favor and abandon the idea that you know how any of us think.
To borrow your analogy, if 20% of the people either loved or feared Manson so much that they could hardly talk about anything else and every other issue in their lives very quickly devolved into another Manson conversation, the remaining 80% of us would be quite justified in writing off the crazies and moving on with our lives.
Trumps approval rating is in the neighborhood of 35%. Where do you come up with the 80% figure representing people who can take him or leave him depending on the day of the week? Its absurd and ridiculous.
After today, the rational majority should be calling for the removal of Trump as PotUS.
This is not based on emotion, but rather cause.
As a reminder:
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS?
On Mondays , Wednesdays, and Fridays he is fit to be president, on the other days he is not.
This is what they want us to believe and agree to.
There is no reasoning with the Trump cultists, and there is absolutely no reason to try. Ridicule is an appropriate response, though.
You are wrong. Unlike some on the left there is no one on the right browbeating anyone trying to change their mind. They seem to have a better grasp on believing everyone is welcome to their own opinion
... except in the real world.
Probably so.
I don't understand how you don't understand the concept of mild or moderate disapproval.
Rational, well adjusted people may oppose one action but approve of another. They understand that nobody is right all the time, and nobody is wrong all the time.
They think rationally.
They might oppose the war but approve of immigration enforcement. They may approve of building a wall but oppose mass deportations. Or vice versa. They may oppose student loan caps but approve of savings accounts for children. Or vice versa. They may even understand the need for military action against Iran but disapprove of how it's being carried out.
Rational thought provides a veritable cornucopia of ideological options.
MAGA die hards take whatever Trump is doing and declare it good because Trump did it. These people would jump off a fucking building if Trump told them they could fly.
TDS die hards take whatever Trump is doing and declare it bad because Trump did it. These people would die of suffocation if Trump came out in support of breathing.
The overwhelming majority of Americans are NOT raving nutjobs, no matter how much the extremists like to demand fealty to one side or the other.
I know we will never get you to stop both sidesing Trump, it seems to be one of your core beliefs.
Is Donald Trump fit to be president of the United States? There is a very strong case to be made that he is NOT.
Therefore there is no such thing as TDS, or being too harsh on him. He should resign or be removed. Its not my problem that you like to endlessly pretend otherwise.
I understand that most people never played competitive sports, and so have little experience with idle threats and trash talk. Most people have never dealt with NY real estate developers, so they don't understand how to operate with someone if 80+% of what they say is obviously false.
Rational people are rational enough to understand the difference between talk and action.
I've told you for years to watch what he does rather than what he says. That's how rational people operate.
I know you enjoy the fixation so I know you'll reject that idea, but that's what the 80% are doing.
This is the key problem. Trump is routinely saying and doing the wrong things so criticism is abundant.
Thus you cannot judge by the volume or frequency of the criticism but the merits.
You are tossing about the now cliché platitude of “TDS” on a day when Trump threatened to destroy an entire civilization. This is not merely a policy disagreement. It is a profoundly serious problem. We have a lunatic controlling the greatest military in history.
If only there was data on this...
Oh... wait..... there is.....
Study: Left-voting people are more intolerant than their right-voting counterparts
However, investigating studies conducted to develop the agency–beliefs–communion model, we found that between 2016 and 2021, ideological prejudice was stronger in progressives.
such that conservatives consistently showed more empathy to liberals than liberals showed to conservatives.
You demonstrate that you have no clue how I operate.
What arrogance!
Rational people understand that when a PotUS threatens to destroy a civilization, this is not some minor policy issue. This is a major problem. The PotUS is unhinged and dangerous. Carrying out his threat would be disastrous, but his rhetoric alone continues to damage this nation, and we do not yet know where his limits are for what crazy actions he might take.
Trump is unfit to be PotUS. Why is it that you did not answer my question?:
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS?
You can easily judge by the type of criticism and then their religious zealot style demands that everybody else agree.
You can judge by the obvious inconsistency of fixating on his words as though he means them and then also fixating on them because they're lies... and then refusing to acknowledge the mutual exclusivity inherent in that arrangement.
You may not like the term, but that behavior is absolutely deranged.
I'm never joining your cult, no.
I'm addicted to rational thought.
And you can also take the extreme and pretend that it is the norm.
Again, we are talking on a day where the PotUS just (luckily) withdrew his threat to kill an entire civilization. This is not a work of fiction, this is the current PotUS. About time you take this shit seriously.
Are we supposed to pretend this is your first day on this forum? That there isn't a 20 mile train of posts?
What irony!
Ordinarily it wouldn't be. These are not ordinary times and he is not an ordinary president. Ordinarily, a POTUS would be far more measured with his words, and would follow through on what he says. He would seek to calm and assure the American people. I think I've said repeatedly I very much prefer that style of leadership.
But Trump doesn't work that way, and at this stage it's positively idiotic to believe he will. So operating in the "President Trump" world requires the American people provide their own calm and assurance. That requires them to attempt some level of discernment in the face of often outlandish, uncomfortable, and sometimes ludicrous statements from their government.
Personally, I'm Generation X. My government told me that I could protect myself from a nuclear fireball by taking shelter under a particleboard desk with no sides. I'm used to them being completely full of shit, so very little surprises me anymore.
We are literally talking about the extremists. I even made a picture to help everyone follow along.
Trouble is, you paint way too many Trump critics as extremists.
And still you clearly get it wrong. You created a fantasy and are pretending it is real.
Here again, you pretend that people expect Trump to act presidential and rational. As you often do, you invent a behavior and then apply it far too generously. The fact that he is criticized for his behavior does not mean that the critics expect him to behave properly.
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS?
Does it really amount to 'joining a cult' to answer one simple question? Is Trump fit to be PotUS?
That should require no cult membership to answer, though giving a 'both sides' answer basically admits which side you're really on if you can't just answer honestly and have to hedge it with a bunch of boring switch-hitter platitudes. And it doesn't require cult membership to accept the standard definition of 'fit' and not dance around pretending it has a broader meaning of 'don't think he's going to destroy the world or America so everybody calm down' fit.
The thing is, we are so far over the line at this point, it is absurd for someone to NOT recognize that Trump is unfit.
A conservative Christian website claiming that conservatives show more "empathy" than liberals. Sure. Especially towards gays, trans people, atheists, Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims... Totally believable.
Do you agree with Senator Markey or do you consider him an extremist?:
That's a pretty hilarious bullshit pic painting the left as crazy 'antifa' socialists and the fucking piece of shit Christo-fascists on the right as just regular America loving rational folk when it couldn't be further from the truth. Here are the real pictures:
On the Left:
And on the right:
Those on the right look nothing like your peaceful little fantasy cartoon.
And many of those 80% in the middle likely went to the 'No Kings' rally and will likely not vote for another Republican for a very long time after seeing how Trump has pissed all over our nation since taking office.
Very few extremists think they are extremists.
I'm sure you're going to say so.
No. Try again. Read carefully this time.
Does not change the fact that you exaggerate the number of extremists.
Same crap, you make vague posts and then wiggle around when challenged (or even when asked to clarify).
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS? Is Senator Markey @1.1.40 wrong?
It's a cult's question. I'm not interested.
As if the interwebs are not full of crazy violent leftist photos.
I don't follow him well enough to say. He's definitely engaged in a bit of political theater here. There is a lot of that in DC.
You continue to struggle with the difference between your opinions and facts.
If you don't like it, read more carefully.
After you've done that, stop trying to pretend I said the opposite of what is written simply because you can't logically refute what is actually there.
I gave you his comments. You do not have to follow his collected works to comment on what he just stated.
Again you demure rather than note that Trump should be removed from office. Why is that unless you think he should remain in office?
There is no denying that you exaggerate. Your posts tend to cast positions different from "nothing to see here", "everything will be okay", etc. as extreme and/or hysterical.
I doubt many are unaware of your posting style.
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS? Is Senator Markey @1.1.40 wrong?
LOL!
Asking if you believe a President, based on his words and actions, is fit to serve as President, is definitely NOT a cult question. It's an American question we've been asking each other for centuries. Calling it 'a cult question' clearly shows you ARE part of Trumps cult no matter how much you try and deny it.
Wait a minute! Didn't their False Profit*** declare that empathy was for suckers or something along that line?
***Elon Musk
However I agree with this depiction, there is only one side that has shown over the past decade a passion for hating this country, anyone that does not think like them should be silenced, or even arrested, violence, assassination of those that speak and think differently, and tried to assassinate a presidential candidate and a president three times in only a couple of years.
And it ain't the right side doing it.
Another thing.
Although you will see anti sematism from the fringes of both sides of the political spectrum, those on the right have been very quiet in their hate as those on the left are spewing enough of it to tide both sides over for many years.
My concern is it seems to be growing to some of the non fridge on the left and their politicians.
"I don't know anything about him."
Which is of course, the rightwing Christo-fascists who put their religious belief and their bibles before the constitution and our country. They are those un-American pricks that are trying to drag us into their religious war where these fucking religious extremists are apparently trying to jump-start Armageddon because they're convinced they are the prophesized winners. Of course, all three of these dip-shit religious groups think God is on their side, yet not a single one can even prove their God exists. Yet here we are getting dragged into their stupid pointless ignorant selfish inane religious wars. Talk about groups actually hating our constitutional Republic, rightwing Christo-fascists and their religious extremist Muslim counterparts fit that bill to a "T". They only support the constitution when its being used to protect their religion, when it's used to protect other peoples rights, they shit all over it and say it doesn't apply.
Boy, that one's a knee slapper! LOL.
Remember "Jews will not replace us"
For those who did forget
Of course it is. Just look at the religious fervor with which it's being pursued.
You all have adopted this wildly arbitrary idea as some sort of twisted litmus test to support justification of misplaced self righteousness.
It has zero to do with being American.
I noticed you refused to answer a question posed by multiple people on this seed, and you refer to it as a "cult question". Why is it a cult question (it is obviously very relevant to what is happening in our government) and why do you have no answer?
I'll help you - Trump has never been fit for office. Before he was even nominated in 2016 it was widely known he was a pathological liar, had bankrupted casinos and his investors while at the same time giving himself bonuses, perpetrated fraud through Trump University, and had perpetrated the racist birther hoax in 2011 (even though by that time state officials in Hawaii had twice publicly stated that Obama's original birth certificate was in the state archives. ) There are mountains of evidence Trump is not fit, and you relate it to cult behavior? ROFL.
You asked if I considered him an extremist. Are you not reading your own post carefully now?
And, apart from your now legendary habit, why has this been framed as a binary choice?
Why on Earth would the only two options be that he's either 100% correct or he's some sort of raving extremist?
Because it is.
I doubt very seriously you really want to know, but I'll tell you anyway.
Several reasons.
The question itself is a religious purity test. In traditional fashion, it's presented as a binary option. The responder must declare one of only two choices, at which point they will be branded either a believer or an infidel based on their response.
There is no room for nuance, there is no accommodation for variance of opinion, subtlety, degree of commitment, discernment, or any of the other basic, basic things that rational, intelligent people use every day.
Secondly, the sole purpose of this question is to determine whether or not a person is with you or against you, allowing for no other option. This enables the identification of any who are not with you so they can be browbeat senseless for daring to actually engage their intellect and develop a nuanced opinion.
Extreme emphasis on conformity and discouragement of rational, independent thought is exactly how cults work. It's also how mean girl cliques in junior high schools work.
Thirdly, there's almost no chance that any of us would likely agree on the definition of either "fit" or "unfit".
If we were all sitting in a room and somebody gave us all sheets of paper and asked us independently to define either of those words without consulting each other, none of those definitions would match.
So who gets to define the word, and why should I accept their definition? Because you said so? Because Tig said so? Why shouldn't I be allowed to think for myself? More importantly, why is it so threatening when I do?
It's such an ironic use of a photo.
It appears some people have indeed forgotten.
The police record is very clear that Nazis in the photo were behaving within the law when they were attacked by armed left-wing counter protesters.
The event is an unhappy example of left-wingers who believe that if they don't like what you're saying, they have the right to leave their rally, come to yours, and beat you with a club.
Probably not the best photo to use if you're trying to prove right-wingers are doing all the violence.
You have one canned guip after another. No thinking required to pull a quip off the shelf.
All to avoid acknowledging that Trump is unfit for office.
You seem to be going to great lengths to avoid a question most people could answer in a few seconds. We have all we need to know.
Are there any photos of thousands of leftists attacking officers with flag poles, beating them, vandalizing our nation's Capital, breaking in and chasing after elected legislators while chanting to hang the vice President of the United States and intending to stop our constitutionally mandated election process? Are there photos of thousands of leftists marching in the street with confederate flags, Nazi flags and torches shouting in unison "Jews will not replace us!"? You seem to think there is some sort of equivalence where there is none. The cartoon fantasy and constant defense of rightwing conservatives and this criminal President sort of give the game away as to allegiance, nobody is fooled.
Ridiculous.
Trump has so crossed the line of fitness that there is no gray area anymore. The lunatic is unfit for office.
Not to recognize that is bizarre.
It is easy to recognize that Trump is unfit. Any PotUS who threatens to destroy an entire civilization is unfit for office. No other analysis is required; that is so over the top that only an irrational, cultish mindset would deem Trump fit.
Lets not forget he tried to overthrow his own government.
Best explanation I have seen in a while. Like you are reading minds
You do. It is considered a cult question (which was explained) and he doesn't want to answer it. Another sign of being in a cult is ignoring what someone says and drawing an incorrect conclusion anyway. WHat conclusion did you draw?
Squad cars on fire in LA.
Locking federal employees in their office building and trying to set it on fire in Portland.
Declaring independence from the US in Seattle.
Executing a coordinated ambush against LEOs in Alvarado.
Hundreds of cities on fire in 2020.
If the quip fits.....
No thinking required to ask binary questions.
You should know by now that I generally match the tone of the conversation I'm in. So I'm investing exactly the same amount of intellectual effort you are.
I'm sure you're almost desperate to think that.
Glad I could be of help. But let's not pretend you were interested in understanding anybody else's view, or that you learned anything from me today that you didn't know already.
I'm not joining the cult. That hasn't changed.
It is dishonest and lazy.
Bullshit. You are the one who routinely takes the discussion south when things do not go your way, and then make exaggerated claims of mistreatment when I reciprocate (even gently).
Give it a rest, your game is tired.
Where do you stand? Is Trump fit to be PotUS? Is Senator Markey @1.1.40 wrong?
There was one squad car on fire, which I'll admit, is still too much, whoever did it should go to jail. Equivalent to January 6th? Not even fucking close. It is funny though how rightwing media started showing footage during the 2025 LA protest from 2020 of multiple police cars on fire and of course the gullible right-wing morons believed it.
So way overblown, some protesters block an exit and others threw some fireworks, unless you have some other story you're claiming, but equivalent to rightwing violence and hate? No where close.
Oh please, that's such silly nonsense. As if that means a fucking thing. You can declare yourself Emperor of your local Taco Bell, I doubt anyone is going to give a fuck.
Ten or so apparently extremist individuals did that shit and I think they should all be executed for their crimes. Was it a large gathering of thousands of those on the left who did that shit? Of course not, that's not who the left is no matter how much the right tries to paint them that way.
Utter bullshit. Boy have you drank the cool aid. Please do provide the list of "Hundreds of cities on fire in 2020". How anyone can believe that shit is truly mindboggling.
How do you explain over a billion dollars worth of damage and 20 or more deaths?
That person, Casey Goonan, is serving almost 20 in federal prison.
It's utterly honest. You ONCE AGAIN presented a question in a binary format. I dunno how you're trying to deny that at this point.
Do point to where I have called you "dishonest" or "lazy".
I've lost count of the conversations where you insult people for 3 or 4 days and then are somehow surprised when they suddenly return the tone.
Be specific and be prepared for a nuanced answer.
Still a cult question, still not interested. Why don't you try asking a more intelligent one?
I think he's probably justified in both alarm and condemnation of Trump's comments about "ending a civilization". That was obviously a highly inappropriate thing to post publicly, regardless of what he may have actually been trying to say.
Do I think Trump should be removed from office? No. It's not like the American people didn't know what they were voting for when they elected him. They chose this man as the president knowing full well what he was like, and you don't get to void their right to self governance simply because you don't like the guy they chose. You can try to rationalize that by shouting "unfit" 3 million times, but that's still just your opinion and it counts exactly as much as everybody else's.
If the American people go to the polls in November and elect a large enough majority of Democrats to actually remove him from office, then that is also them exercising their right of self governance.
So I agree with Markey on some things, disagree on others, respect his differing opinion, and don't feel the need to call him names or assign him some sort of idiotic label. See how this works?
Okay, time to point out personal vs. content attacks since you are constantly conflating the two. I did not call you dishonest and lazy, I called your post dishonest and lazy. A dishonest post or a lie or a strawman, etc. are all about the content you penned ... not about you. If I call your post a lie that is very different from claiming that you, the person, are a liar. The former speaks about the content of the post, the latter speaks to your character as an individual.
There is a key difference between talking about the person vs. the person's post. This is something I am confident you already know, but you chose to try to play a victim card ... another slimy tactic. (Note, again, the focus is on what you wrote ... not who you are.)
As I expected from your reluctance to answer.
A truly stupid argument. You think most voters expected that Trump, especially based on all his criticism of war, would wind up starting a war and then ... much worse ... threaten to kill an entire civilization over an economic channel??
Further, even if voters did know this, how do you possibly justify keeping in office a lunatic who would threaten such carnage over a matter of opening up an economic channel? What PotUS in history would threaten to destroy an entire civilization because they are holding hostage an economic channel (after being bombed by the same PotUS)?
Now, on seeing how things work. Your argument is stupid. Your quips are dishonest and lazy. etc. That is not the same as me calling you stupid, dishonest, or lazy. I personally do not hold that belief. Indeed, my expectations for you are much higher than the crap you are posting recently.
And to make this super clear to readers:
JackTX@1.1.80: Do I think Trump should be removed from office? No.
This seems like a desperate argument. You suggest that the fact Trump won the election makes him fit for office today. By that logic Biden was fit for office throughout his entire term.
But Trump has never been fit for office. And using your logic any politician that wins an election is fit for office until he or she loses an election or retires, no matter how corrupt , stupid, dishonest, or psychologically unstable they are.
OK. What about the other cars?
What did they set on fire?
It's interesting and predictable about how when left wing lunatics commit violence it's always "way overblown".
Most protests are. But in this particular one, they declared themselves "autonomous" from the United States.
If you barricade yourself inside I think they'll notice
Apparently??
What should happen to whom isn't the point of the discussion. You're trying to make this ridiculous assertion that RW violence is somehow more severe or worse than LW violence. That's obviously not the case, and to defend this silly opinion you're having to pretend like the vast list of LW violence somehow doesn't count.
Citation? Or are you just guessing again?
Not at all. But I spoke out against his removal from office, also.
I'm not sure if you realize it, but you've actually said that once or twice before. The thing is.... that is your opinion. Other people disagree with you, and they are allowed to think for themselves.
You've made no effort to understand my logic. Don't pretend otherwise.
you are flailing
I'm not sure you could have demonstrated my point any better had you set out with that specific purpose.
There are two primary differences between our views. First, mine rational, nuanced, and open to change as new information arises. Second, I'm happy to allow you your own opinion, even if it is just mostly a mountain of bias.
More pointless bullshit from you.
Given that you think a PotUS who just threatened the killing of an entire civilization is fit for office, your comments on this matter are fundamentally flawed.
Unhinged
The assaults on the Portland detention facility are a nightly event.
I wonder why no one on the left recognizes this as violence from the left s/
Predicting what leftists will whine about is a vital skill to have in order to suceed in the modern world!
Really?
Yes, many rightwing religious conservatives are unhinged.
he blinked first
So what is he???
A warmonging country ender or a chicken,
Hard to keep the talking points straight when they change so often, huh?
Forget talking points (both D and R) and focus on the facts.
Trump started an unnecessary (and illegal) war, and to try to recover from his strategic blunder, he made outrageous threats that would be war crimes if executed. When the going got tough and his bluff was called, he backed out.
Put whatever adjectives you want on that.
The key takeaway is that Trump is incompetent and dangerous.
( I am very pleased that Trump backed out, and I wish reporters would stop referring to TACO. The problem is that Trump is a lunatic who might snap to the point of carrying out his threat ... even in part. )
Not if you know how to use AI!
Looking to Jimmy Kimmel for international analysis. Sounds about right. I wonder what Greta has to say about it.
It wasnt international analysis. It was analysis of Trump's ridiculous "two weeks" ploy.
And let's not forget Melania!
First Lady Melania Trump has denied connections to Jeffrey Epstein, telling reporters at the White House that any claims linking the two "need to end today".
In a surprise announcement on Thursday, the first lady called for congressional hearings for survivors of Epstein's sex trafficking.
With the subtext being "Or my husband will send the department that works for 'just us' after you..."
Do you guys really think that if a car dealer can't beat his competitor's price, he's just , "... going to give you the car..."? Some of ya really need an Imagination tune-up.
In better news, the S&P E-minis jumped over 2% on the news. Looks like we're making money in the morning.
Hey, annihilation can wait a couple of weeks.
... to spend 3 hours praising his magnificence.
It's amazing watching progressives fall for the same tactic over and over and over.
The old "Broken Record" group - click - click - click - click.
No its not.
It's amazing watching reactionaries pretend that Trump is rational, competent and that his shit doesn't stink.
its a cult
So how much trumps shit stinks will be the next thing to whine about.
Or why he wore different colored shoes or different colored socks or combed his hair to the right or had a pimple on his chin or etc., etc..
No way any Trump cultist is going to admit that.
Trump hysteria know no bounds. Emotions wins over logic
They will wait for the lefts results of the poll
Not something Trump cultists ever engage in.
are you ok ?
Blueanon strikes again
Something else pretend for reactionaries to whine about.
Sickening.
You deem it hysteria to criticize a PotUS who just threatened to kill a civilization . That is beyond irrational.
Clearly, there is no line that Trump can cross that will cause you to recognize that he is unfit for office.
Reactionaries think Trump's threat to commit genocide was a clever negotiating tactic. You see it in lots of their comments on here the last couple of days. Trump's threat was immoral. The reactionaries' light-hearted support for Trump's threat as a negotiating tactic is amoral.
Yes, I just responded to a post doing just that. They try to defend an insane threat from Trump as a mere negotiating tactic. They did this starting with his trolling and tariffs and now are engaging in the same irresponsible, irrational, and unpatriotic idiocy when the lunatic threatens to kill an entire civilization.
This is clearly cultish behavior.
Imagine their reaction if Biden or Obama had used those exact words. They would be calling for the return of the guillotine
Likely any other PotUS in history would be impeached and convicted by any other Congress in history.
What bizarre change has happened to the USA?
A not very intelligent real estate mogul with a big mouth decided to run for POTUS one day. And he convinced enough people that he was "different".
Sure, but then that asshole became the first PotUS in our history to attempt to steal a presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement. WTF got into people to think this con-man deserved another term?
And worse, after all he has said and done now, WTF causes people to still support him?
Honesly, TiG. I thought my comment summed up everything you just said. trmp = bad POTUS...expect anything and everything corrupt and evil while he holds office
As for your question as to why they still support him....gee...IDK. It sounds like PhD thesis worthy subject
Based on some posts it is obvious blueanon is alive and well. Either that or the majority of the party has gone off the ledge
Aside of trying to make it about me all his statement proved was he is an asshole. But I already knew that.
Do you recognize it is more important what Iran thought of his statement than a bunch of dems trying to make hey with it?
That is all you get out of it? You do not see the damage this guy has caused to the US reputation? You do not see that Trump is not fit to be PotUS?
Other PotUS' have been assholes. Being an asshole is not the problem.
Open your eyes, the lunatic just threatened to wipe out a civilization!
That is all there is to get out of it to the rational people.
Alot less damage than Trump haters claim. We will be just fine
He has not yet crossed that line for the rational.
Yet so many people whine about it every day
Yes, an empty threat of an asshole.
Again: Do you recognize it is more important what Iran thought of his statement than a bunch of dems trying to make hay with it?
A revealing look into the thought process of a Trump supporter. The lunatic threatens the killing of an entire civilization and you still defend him.
I think this meme sums it up:
You think what happened to Iran damaged the US reputation? Lol.
The Afghanistan withdrawal damaged the US reputation. Destroying the armed forces, decapitating Iranian leadership, destroying infrastructure at will while Chinese defense systems were exposed as almost useless against us somehow hurt our reputation. Please.
Actually a revealing look into someone that can look at things rationally and has stayed off the hysteria train.
Actually someone that can look at what he said and call it out for what it is and not look at it as another excuse for the "Trump is Unfit" screaming at the clouds from the back of the Trump hysterical train.
Your refusal to answer my probative question leads one to wonder if it isn't more important for an anti trump narrative than what Iran thought about his idle threat and what it might help accomplish. That is a revealing look into the mind of a Trump hater.
There is no way to rationally hold that Trump is fit to be PotUS after he threatened to kill an entire civilization. This is deadly serious.
Supporting Trump -especially now- is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.
This is not funny, it is not a joking matter. Trump threatened to wipe out a civilization. That is what damaged the USA.
Of course there is. Take the threat for what it actually was instead of what one wants it to be. Especially if bashing Trump is more important than anything that Iran does because of it. That is very unpatriotic. When there is a different reason de jour for why he is unfit don't be surprised when people stop taking them seriously
Opinion, confirmation bias. nothing more
There are no different reasons everyday, there are just too few hours in one day to discuss them all.
Yes, that's how he negotiates. Progressives still haven't figured this out. He makes outrageous demands, makes outrageous promises etc and it creates instability. Look at the reaction to that comment. Progressives lost their minds. Even though they think they know he's bluffing. But there's a little bit of doubt. Imagine being on the other end of that. The doubt, the concern that he just might be serious creates possibilities. Iran adamantly rejected a temporary ceasefire. They've agreed to it.
It's the madman theory of negotiation. Trump has enough credibility, he's proven he'll do extraordinarily risky things at time so it works for him, and by extension the US on the international stage.
Actually, it was a MS DNC idiot that whined that Hegseth said "no man left behind", instead of including women in that saying. If he had ever spent time in the military, "no man left behind" has been a staple saying in the military for decades.
There are some really stupid liberals out there.
Our only allies are authoritarian governments. Maybe right wingers are ok with that, but the sane among us are not. Trump alienates everyone we should be close to. Of course he has mutual admiration with Putin, Orban and Kim Jong Un.
It doesn't matter.
Only idiots would do this....
0800 yesterday....Trump is a war criminal for saying mean things.
2001 yesterday...Trump chickened out. He is damaging America's reputation for not blowing Iran off the earth.
The sad part is that so many people on the left believe it.
See Comment 8.2.8 in response to your previous comment.
To repeat:
Comment 8.2.17 is a perfect example of a reactionary whine fest.
Funny how many on the left say Trump is a war criminal for saying what he never did, but have never called out Iran for killing over 35,000 civilians for the crimes they were.
Amazing how many on the left absolutely defend Iran at every turn.
Amazing how many on the left cry that Trump said that we will wipe out a civilization, but screaming "Death to America", literally for decades, is perfectly OK.
Because to many of them...it is OK.
And they seem intent on proving it every day.
And they get upset if you don't follow along.
Difference between observation and whining.
Do you guys ever have anything original say? I mean talking to my dog would be more interesting.
Not to mention getting people (forced?) to stand on bridges to try and stop the bombs. An actual war crime yet silence.
Original like orange man bad articles 10 times a day?
We observed that your comment is whining. Everyone's saying...
Can you really expect anything different when it's all coming from the same source? With all the lies and shit being shoved into their ears by Trump, xenophobic bigoted pastors, Fox News and the rest of rightwing media it's no wonder that their mouths dispense the hilariously moronic ideology of rightwing Christo-fascism like a verbal diarrhea soft-serve machine.
How did you get to be the spokesperson for "we"?
How did you get to be the spokesperson of everyone? I am part of everyone and no one asked me
You were absent that day.
Amendment: Everyone normal is saying...
More like everyone saying what you want to hear is saying.........the others are ignored.
Trump supporters have no argument worth hearing at this point. There is no question that a PotUS who threatens to kill an entire civilization is unfit for office.
The single most valuable thing that the USA can do at this point is to remove this lunatic from office.
A PotUS publicly threatening to wipe out a civilization is ipso facto unfit for office; he has crossed way past the line.
How you, et.al., can continue to support this lunatic is both mystifying and disgusting.
Of course not. Differing views are discouraged and ignored by those that have their minds made up. Rational thought is not needed or wanted.
Of course there is. There just has to be some rational thinking and not just running on emotion.
Looking forward to impeachment part 3 coming to prime time.
You have no grounds on which to speak of rational thought while supporting/defending Trump.
that's why I'm not reading their comments and not arguing with them. Not worth my time
I agree, the rationale is stupid and the position is demonstrably wrong.
There is no question, at this point, that Trump is unfit. He is so far beyond the line that it is irrational not to recognize he needs to be removed from office.
You have no grounds to tell me I don't other than your declaration everyone should agree there is no question he is unfit.
Please note there is no right answer regardless of your claim.
I wonder who the left wing producer the left will employ to film the next comedy
I am hoping for robert de niro, considering he has directed two films. It would guarantee an unhinged night of fun
A PotUS who threatens to kill an entire civilization is far beyond the line of fitness to be PotUS.
Your inability or refusal to recognize that obvious fact is both fascinating and disgusting.
A president that kills, yep. A president that threatens? Distasteful, yep. Proof of unfitness? Only for those looking for confirmation bias. Even the AI gods say there is no right answer.
If Trump had carried out his threat, it would have been catastrophic. Clearly, the act itself would be worse than the threat. But the threat alone is already off the charts. You are absurdly trying to compare a threat to an actual act of catastrophic carnage and then argue, “See, it is not so bad.”
No, it is that bad. The threat alone is that bad.
Compare Trump’s threat to any threat made by any president in our history. You will not find anything comparable. No president has ever even hinted that the United States would target an entire civilization.
A president threatening to destroy a civilization is far beyond any line of rationality. No president should remain in office after making such an irresponsible, irrational, cold-blooded threat of such carnage.
Your continued attempts to defend this lunatic are despicable.
It is not but you sure are hanging your hat on it. Not to mention you are disagreeing with AI.
And? Was it a contest?
Opinion, nothing more, nothing less
Your ignored opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
But we have been told that AI such as Grok and Chat GTP are to be believed 100 percent by some on here, going to the point where more than half of the posts were AI generated.
Independent thought?.... Not with some.
Seems AI, along with opinions, are only good when they are agreed with.
Another false claim. You again post made-up shit. I have never observed anyone on this site claim that AI is infallible.
Trump makes shit up all the time because it is much easier to just lie than to make a logical argument that deals with facts and reason.
Not the kind of person one should emulate.
Being that most AI sources are populated by mostly left leaning sources, they are sometimes nothing more than a bias confirmation for some.
Sounds about right. But don't forget the response you get can be somewhat tailored to the way you word the question.
Another made-up 'fact'.
The reality is that those opposing AI typically do so when they see that their misguided views are countered by AI.
They cannot formulate a rebuttal so they categorically dismiss all AI.
Provide the AI you used, the prompt you entered and the response.
If you were referring to your Gemini post, all that was stated was that fitness for office is subjective. No shit! This is another example where you try to stretch an inch into a mile. A dishonest tactic.
As an example, here is my prompt to ChatGPT:
PROMPT : Would it be rational for one to consider a PotUS unfit for office if he threatened to kill an entire civilization?
RESPONSE :
ChatGPT affirms that it is rational to consider Trump unfit for office based on his recent threat. It goes on to state that this might not be enough to impeach him or invoke the 25th. And that is true because those processes are a function mostly of Congress and all the political baggage that goes along with it.
More made up bullshit:
I asked ChatGPT if "most AI sources are populated by mostly left leaning sources":
Reality has a liberal bias...
That's because so few religious conservatives live in reality.[✘]
No one's ever seen anything like it before!
But people are saying:
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
I don't know anything about that, but I will let you know in two weeks.
Megyn Kelly, a MAGA princess, called Trump "weak" and "gullible" today.
Megyn Kelly slams Trump on Iran: 'What is he, Genghis Khan?' - nj.com
Conservative podcaster Megyn Kelly tore into President Donald Trump for threatening to wipe out Iran’s civilization , calling his warning “irresponsible and disgusting.”
“I am sick of this s---. Can’t he just behave like a normal human?” Kelly said Tuesday on her podcast .
The former Fox News star directed additional criticism toward Trump’s MAGA voters and allies over their support of his “incendiary” rhetoric.
“I mean, honestly, like, ‘The president (is playing) 3D chess.’ Shut up. F---in’ shut up about that s---,” Kelly said. “You don’t threaten to wipe out an entire civilization — we’re talking about civilians — just casually in a social media post."
Earlier in the same podcast, Kelly said that Trump could “ drop a nuke ” and she would still vote Republican, remarks that highlighted the tension between her criticism of Trump’s rhetoric and her continued Republican loyalty.
Kelly and Trump are both trash.
I'm not surprised she contradicted herself. She's a tool for the far-right wing and a shill for trmp
If Trump says something nice about her she will forgive all his stupidity and evil doing. These right wing media figures are all ready to re-embrace Trump at a moments notice.
It is rather hilarious at how much flip-flopping they do after giving John Kerry so much shit for it.
"I actually did vote for the likely child rapist, admitted sexual predator and convicted felon, before I voted against him, and then voted for him again..."
If this sort of thing continues, Trump may Jeopardize Republican results in the midterms . . .
( What is Megyn Kelly, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Tucker Carlson? )
May? Already has, more likely.