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Gunman Exchanges Fire With Secret Service Near Washington Monument - The New York Times

  
Via:  John Russell  •  6 months ago  •  20 comments

By:   Minho Kim and Pooja Salhotra (nytimes)

Gunman Exchanges Fire With Secret Service Near Washington Monument - The New York Times
The motorcade of Vice President JD Vance passed the scene soon after the shooting.

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Secret Service agents on Monday exchanged gunfire with an armed man near the Washington Monument, hitting a bystander, officials said.

The suspect, who was not publicly identified, was transported to a hospital and placed in police custody, Matt Quinn, deputy director of the Secret Service, told reporters during a news conference.

A teenage bystander was also hit in the crossfire and transported to the hospital, he added.

Mr. Quinn said that after agents approached the armed suspect he ran off and then shot at them. The agents fired back and then apprehended the man, he said. Soon after, the motorcade of Vice President JD Vance passed the scene.

The shooting came less than two weeks after a gunman stormed a security checkpoint at the White House Correspondents' Association dinner and shot a Secret Service agent in an attack officials said was targeting administration officials.

On Monday, President Trump was holding an event at the White House around the time of the shooting. The Secret Service ordered reporters who were on the North Lawn of the White House to go into the press briefing room.

The Metropolitan Police Department said in a social media post that they were on the scene and that roads in the area would be closed for several hours.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 months ago

Trump should resign ASAP for the good of the nation. 2 1/2 more years of him as president will drive more and more people to potential violence. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago
on. 2 1/2 more years of him as president will drive more and more people to potential violence. 

This is victim blaming. It is not wishing the President dead. I guess I have to explain these things. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    6 months ago

I wish you could explain why Republicans are not trying to talk him into resigning. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1    6 months ago
Donald Trump has threatened to blow Iran 'off the face of the earth' after the regime launched missile and drone attacks on US warships and commercial vessels in the Strait of Hormuz. Trump threatens Iran will be 'blown off the face of the earth' as missiles target US ships

Is the end of this war in sight? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    6 months ago

Is the end of this war in sight? 

I would hope so. With Iran attacking neutral shipping, there's no justification for our "allies" to not get involved is there? 

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.2  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago

He should get out before he's put out? He made them do that? You guys just throw any shit at the wall.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  squiggy @1.2    6 months ago

He should resign because he is a disgrace to the country. Unbalanced people may take it further than that. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.2.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  squiggy @1.2    6 months ago

He is the most bazaar child president who has welcomed violence into politics via his blatant constant call to violence and his mental midget miscreant peons responding(see Jan 6th) and now the oh so quiet when Trump did it 'right' is getting a tad bit uptight, now that his fckd up lack of a plan has screwed up this nation for the sole reason that he can, and peep holes have seen enough. This individual has caused so much unnecessary strife in this once great nation, it is ridiculous. He can not be gone by any means soon enough for most Americans, and that is the sad truth that so much overdue for citizens to realize. Too many gullible knumbskullz bought into his corruption filled LIES, and so many now just despise, and for good reason, he might not meet the technical definition, but this 'man' is the biggest example of treason we've ever obseen and so many will suffer and or die, because Republicans lack the testicular fortitude to call out the scumbag so rude, so I hope the scumbag party that puts power and profits above country, is one we no longer have to see, our country tis of thee, squandered away by hypocracy, and some nut job who should be carted away after what he's done to the once great USA!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago

Great precedent to set. We will never have a president serve out a full term. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.3    6 months ago

No previous president is in the same category for unhinged and ridiculous behavior, and personal corruption. I know it, you know it, and we all know it. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    6 months ago

Nixon was a boy scout compared to the evil that is Trump.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.3.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.1    6 months ago

Irrelevant to the point I made

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2  Tacos!    6 months ago
agents approached the armed suspect

Why? We don’t believe in the right to bear arms anymore?

he ran off

Maybe he didn’t like being approached. Still doesn’t sound like a crime yet.

and then shot at them

Maybe he was scared of the armed stalkers coming after him? Who can blame him? They shoot citizens now, ya know.

hitting a bystander

Another innocent citizen shot by federal agents?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3  Snuffy    6 months ago
agents approached the armed suspect Why? We don’t believe in the right to bear arms anymore?

The Washington Monument is in the National Mall, it is illegal to carry concealed in the National Mall.

Concealed carry is prohibited in certain locations within the District of Columbia, even with a DC concealed carry license. Individuals who possess a DC concealed carry license are not permitted to carry a concealed handgun in the following locations: 
  1. In a building or office space occupied by the DC government, its agencies, or instrumentalities (e.g., DC Water, the Public Service Commission, the Washington Convention and Sports Authority, etc.); 
  2. In the buildings and grounds (including any adjacent parking lot) of a childcare facility, preschool, public or private elementary or secondary school, or a public or private college or university; 
  3. In a hospital or any office where medical or mental health services are the primary services provided; 
  4. In a penal institution, secure juvenile residential facility, or halfway house; 
  5. In a polling place while voting is occurring; 
  6. In a public transportation vehicle, including the WMATA transit system, and WMATA stations; 
  7. In a premises, or portion thereof, where alcohol is served, or sold and consumed on the premises; 
  8. In a stadium or arena; 
  9. At public gatherings or special events open to the public (however, a person will not be criminally liable unless they refuse an officer’s order to leave, or if they are carrying despite posted signage at the event prohibiting carrying); 
  10. In any area prohibited under federal law, including the U.S. Capitol buildings/grounds and public memorials on the National Mall and Tidal Basin; 
  11. Within the boundaries of the White House Complex and grounds; 
  12. Within the boundaries of the U.S. Naval Observatory; 
  13. In the designated route or area of protection for a dignitary moving under police escort; and 
  14. In the designated route or designated area of a demonstration on public space. 
CCL Restrictions | mpdc

The police approached him as they were concerned he had a gun which is not allowed on the Mall. 

Plainclothes agents patrolling the outer perimeter of the White House complex spotted the man at about 3:30 p.m., Secret Service Deputy Director Matthew Quinn said. The man was described as a “suspicious individual that appeared to have a firearm."

The agents alerted uniformed officers, who responded and approached him. Quinn said the man tried to run away, pulled out a firearm and fired toward the officers. The officers returned fire, hitting him.

Suspect shot, bystander grazed in Secret Service police shooting near National Mall – NBC4 Washington

I support the Second Amendment, but that Amendment doesn't forgive stupidity or criminal actions. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @3    6 months ago
it is illegal to carry concealed in the National Mall

Is it the idea that you should only be allowed to carry concealed in the National Mall if you are a member of a well regulated militia?  Such as, arguably, the Secret Service or the Metropolitan Police Department.  The actual Second Amendment.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1    6 months ago

Please do some homework. 

are police considered well regulated militia
AI Overview
Police are generally not considered a " well-regulated militia " under the Second Amendment , but rather professional law enforcement agencies. While they are trained, armed, and state-authorized, they differ from the historical concept of a citizen militia and are not classified as the organized militia (like the National Guard). [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 ]
Key details regarding police and the militia:
  • Definition of Militia: Under 10 U.S. Code § 246, the militia consists of the "organized militia" (National Guard) and "unorganized militia" (able-bodied citizens), not police departments.
  • Historical Context: Historically, a "well-regulated militia" referred to citizens who were organized, trained, and armed to support the state. Police are professional, paid employees.
  • "Well-Regulated" Meaning: Scholars and courts often interpret "well-regulated" to mean disciplined and managed by the government. Police are regulated by state and local laws, but they do not function as the "militia" that protects the state from external threats.
  • Militarization: While some police forces employ military-style tactics and equipment (often termed "paramilitarization"), they remain civilian law enforcement, not a military body.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.1    6 months ago

original

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Snuffy @3    6 months ago

If he was carrying concealed, how did agents know he was armed? And if he was open carrying, wouldn’t that be ok?

You’ll have to forgive if I’m not just taking the government’s word for it these days.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Tacos! @3.2    6 months ago

As for the concealed carry, read the news to see how they determined he was carrying a gun. Law enforcement is trained to look for suspicious bulging in clothes. Concealed carry does not equal invisible.

Open carry is not ok as federal law prohibits carrying any weapon on the National Mall (among other areas in DC) unless you are law enforcement. Had he been law enforcement he wouldn't have run. The end result is that law enforcement did what was right, noticed something that wasn't correct and when they went to check on their suspicion's he ran and then pulled a gun and fired at officers. He was not a lawful carry, he was a criminal. 

I don't blindly trust government either, but when multiple news agencies provide sufficient information to verify what government is saying then I do tend to believe the story.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Snuffy @3.2.1    6 months ago
when multiple news agencies provide sufficient information to verify what government is saying

Journalists mainly are just stenographers. They take whatever government tells them and they just print it. No journalist saw what happened. Everything we know about the incident comes from whatever government tells us. Nothing has been verified.

 
 

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