The New Crusade : The Sons Of Tarrant

Neo-nazism has become ho-hum these days. 

Not as far as I'm concerned.  Any manifestation of neo-nazism must be completely and permanently eradicated.

Any manifestation of neo-nazism must be completely and permanently eradicated.

That would be nice, but how would you actually achieve that without becoming the same sort of thing? What I mean is, doesn't "Any manifestation of (fill in the blank) must be completely and permanently eradicated" sound like it would fit nicely into their manifesto? 

You have to be kidding.  There are police and legal actions that can be taken where appropriate, educational efforts.  Self-defense when necessary.  Maybe you don't know that Nazis plan for, and commit, violence.  It sounds like you believe in cooperative coexistence with people who want to, and have historically engaged in murder, including the mass murder of millions.  You must think that eradicating the Nazi regime in World War 2 was somehow improper conduct.  Equating staunch, decisive opposition to nazism with the Nazis' plans for a modern genocide is disingenuous at best.

how would you actually achieve that without becoming the same sort of thing?

If it's a "no turds in the punch bowl" policy, I would have to agree, everyone can be a little shitty sometimes so that would mean no one gets to live here. I think we're going to all just have to live with trying to keep to the corners of the punch bowl where we feel there are fewer turds. But if we can at least fish out the massive turds who are smearing their shit on everything like these rightwing neo-Nazi misogynist incels, perhaps our corners of the bowl will stay more habitable. We can also embrace diversity and everything these neo-Nazi's hate so that they feel uncomfortable here and want to leave. Sadly, there are some parts of this country where the rightwing conservative Christians seem to be building the exact same kind of society that these neo-Nazis want to build so it's like a match made in heaven, or at a family reunion in many of their cases.

You have to be kidding. 

No.

There are police and legal actions that can be taken where appropriate, educational efforts.  Self-defense when necessary.

Yes. What we already do, in other words. I'd like to see more done in the realm of education, though. And I don't mean the current nonsense of classifying everyone who disagrees with one's own position a Nazi. I mean a true understanding of what Nazism and other forms of extremism actually are, why it is bad, and most especially, the kind of mental processes that lead to accepting such ideologies. 

The point of understanding all of that isn't so much a better understanding of the enemy but, rather, to ensure that we ourselves do not fall into that dark place ourselves. Hence my comment. Suppose I had said a similar thing, such as...

Any manifestation of progressivism must be completely and permanently eradicated.

Does that sound like I'm talking about police and legal actions where appropriate? Educational efforts? 

I'm not trying to be offensive or poke you in the eye here. I am trying to make a point that I think is important. That the first step in combatting ideologies such as Nazism or Stalinism is to ensure we don't become them. That involves how we think, not just what. And wouldn't you agree that, regardless of what you may have meant, what you actually wrote sounds pretty extremist once I changed the subject needing eradicating? 

It sounds like you believe in cooperative coexistence with people who want to, and have historically engaged in murder, including the mass murder of millions.  You must think that eradicating the Nazi regime in World War 2 was somehow improper conduct.  Equating staunch, decisive opposition to nazism with the Nazis' plans for a modern genocide is disingenuous at best.

I'm happy to say that none of this corresponds to what I believe about it. 

If it's a "no turds in the punch bowl" policy, I would have to agree, everyone can be a little shitty sometimes so that would mean no one gets to live here.

I think you're right. 

I think we're going to all just have to live with trying to keep to the corners of the punch bowl where we feel there are fewer turds.

I'd like to see a little more than just that. I think teaching kids to think more analytically rather than what's currently going on would go a long way towards solving a lot of our ills. Right now, they're mostly just getting social engineering or learning how to pass tests. 

Right now, they're mostly just getting social engineering or learning how to pass tests.

I have two daughters in the public school system, one in 6th and one in 10th grade, and I would disagree on the social engineering part. The supposed "social engineering" all the Christian conservatives whine about isn't even noticed unless there is some religious bigot who lies about being forced to undress in front of a transgender student. For 98% of the other public schools, they're focused on learning, not social engineering, though the learning to pass tests point you made is partially true. The biggest problem is that there are large groups who refuse to agree on basic truths about science, evolution, climate, political ideology and even technology. How are we supposed to teach kids facts when the adults refuse to even agree on them? That's why I personally want to get religion (and politics) the fuck OUT of our schools so we can let the leaders in these educational fields decide on the facts schools teach and not let the religious LARP'ers (Live action role players) inject their fantasy rule book into the decisions. Using the bible to try and disprove evolution is like using a D&D manual to prove extra-dimensional space exists. I'm not saying that extra-dimensional space doesn't exist, or even that evolution is absolute and there was absolutely no prime mover, I'm just saying neither of those books should be used as 'evidence' or proof of anything other than the human wild imagination.

I have two daughters in the public school system, one in 6th and one in 10th grade, and I would disagree on the social engineering part. The supposed "social engineering" all the Christian conservatives whine about isn't even noticed unless there is some religious bigot who lies about being forced to undress in front of a transgender student. For 98% of the other public schools, they're focused on learning, not social engineering, though the learning to pass tests point you made is partially true.

While I can't say I know how extensive the problem is, I know it's much greater than 2%. I've seen too much evidence to the contrary. We'll have to disagree, here. 

That's why I personally want to get religion (and politics) the fuck OUT of our schools

I agree with the sentiment, but it wouldn't be practical. It probably isn't even desirable. At some point, students need to start thinking about politics, for instance. The history of it and current affairs. However, it should be taught in a very specific way. Not "this ideology is better than that one" but, rather, "This is what the positions are" and then teach them critical thinking skills to arrive at their own conclusions. And not just about the positions but questioning why they may feel as they do about them. Teach them to think rationally. 

And whether or not anyone likes it, religion is a major part of the world. It is everywhere. Students do not need to be taught dogma or theology, but they should at least be able to articulate each major religion's tenets, history and impact on the world. 

so we can let the leaders in these educational fields decide on the facts schools teach and not let the religious LARP'ers (Live action role players) inject their fantasy rule book into the decisions.

I disagree. These children are not property of the State and parents rightfully and morally have a say in what their children's education consists of. I, for one, think there are entirely too many progressives in the education system right now and I don't consider them anything like an expert on facts. In fact, I believe they are purveyors of their own fantasies. 

Using the bible to try and disprove evolution is like using a D&D manual to prove extra-dimensional space exists.

I agree. That is not its purpose. However, I believe you give science too much credit. We treat science as settled and, more often than people realize, it is not. Before the James Webb Space Telescope began its mission, we were pretty solid that the universe was 13.7 billion years old. Now some are beginning to think it may be twice that or simply always existed. That's not evidence for any position. It's just an example of how someone can be wrong with confidence. To my mind, we're very good at the kind of science that tells us how things will behave, hence we can send missions to Pluto. On why? Not nearly as good. We still don't know what gravity or charge is, fundamentally. 

it's now hardly noteworthy when rightwing terrorists have biblical names ...

And I was asked last week "who were the shooters?"

White Supremacists marched in Virginia Beach yesterday.

augustafreepress

some of them could've become eligible for the traitor bonus if they'd have had a better publicist ...

maybe the DC shooter was sent the wrong google maps coordinates ...

Is this one not funded by the SPLC?

Deflection, deflection, Vic.

Do you object to civil rights groups providing intelligence on white supremacist groups?  If so, why?

Intelligence?

If they are racists, they shouldn't even be given a permit to march or protest.

As for SPLC they have spread more hate than they exposed.

If they are racists, they shouldn't even be given a permit to march or protest.

Yes, because that's always stopped the KKK, and the Unite the Right "Jews will not replace us" crowd.

It's also irrelevant to the fact the the SPLC shared intelligence harvested by their operatives with law enforcement.  A fine thanks they're getting.

As for SPLC they have spread more hate than they exposed.

Do they not tolerate intolerance well enough?

Have you been watching the news?

SPLC has paid people in those organizations. They also falsely labeled people and groups as hate organizations.

They will hopefully be held accountable 

SPLC has paid people in those organizations.

Informants?

What a novel approach.  No police department has ever heard of such a tactic.

They also falsely labeled people and groups as hate organizations.

Such as?

I notice you have not produced links yet.

Fake news.

SPLC has paid people in those organizations. They also falsely labeled people and groups as hate organizations.

Total bullshit rightwing conservative narrative but to be expected from rightwing media and conservatives desperate to hide their ties to these white supremacist hate groups that rose up after Obama was elected. It will all come out eventually and the SPLC will be on the correct side of history, the one pissing in the faces of those fucking useless white supremacist incels. We have not turned into Russia yet, I believe our courts will be fair and this administration will be exposed for all its crimes and we will have a trial similar to Nuremburg for all these racist criminals infecting our nation someday. Justice will prevail and it will not be a happy day for rightwing religious conservatives when it does. But it will be for the vast majority of Americans, so happy days for patriotic Americans are coming, they just certainly didn't arrive on the Trumptanic that is now already sinking.

Total bullshit rightwing conservative narrative

Um, a grand jury indicted the SPLC.

I'm sure because it was an Alabama grand jury, [deleted][✘]

How many symbols does the new progressive hero Platner have as tattoos? Or is he waiting until after the election?[✘]

How many symbols does the new progressive hero Platner have as tattoos?

quite a few less than pete kegsbreath ...

some people just can't help themselves with deflecting to something completely off topic

fortunately for america, after 18 years of trump bullshit, most of them have one foot in the grave ...