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Scientists warn 'greatest risk to civilisation' coming sooner than thought

  
Via:  John Russell  •  3 months ago  •  34 comments

By:   Claudia Trotman (The Mirror US)

Scientists warn 'greatest risk to civilisation' coming sooner than thought
A study has warned the 'greatest risk to the future of civilization' could trigger societal breakdown much sooner than previously thought, with experts cautioning that the crisis may reach a tipping point within two decades

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A study has warned the 'greatest risk to the future of civilization' could trigger societal breakdown much sooner than previously thought, with experts cautioning that the crisis may reach a tipping point within two decades


Scientists have issued a stark warning about when humanity could begin to see the collapse of civilization - and the clock is ticking faster than we think.

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Previously, Elon Musk claimed that declining birth rates pose the "greatest risk to the future of civilisation." Currently, the fertility rate in the US hovers at 1.62, a figure that appears to trouble Elon. As of 2022, the UK registers even lower at 1.57. Research suggests nations need a fertility rate of 2.7 children per woman to sustain population levels.

Experts are now cautioning that within just two decades, we could be staring down the barrel of societal collapse. Previously, academics thought roughly 2.1 was adequate to ward off long-term extinction. However, the research team contended the original calculation didn't adequately factor in crucial elements such as mortality rates, sex ratio distribution, the reality that some adults choose not to have children, and natural fluctuations in family size. It comes after the late Professor Stephen Hawking predicted the exact date of the apocalypse.

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Musk, who regularly claims to be "banging on the baby drum" has been sounding the alarm on this alleged crisis for years. He claimed it would become "the biggest problem the world will face in years," reports the Daily Star.

He added that declining birthrates would also trigger fewer workers, mounting debt, overstretched healthcare and pension systems. He even suggested it might spark complete social chaos.

ictability] in fertility and mortality rates, and sex ratios, a fertility rate higher than the standard replacement level is necessary to ensure sustainability of our population."

The research team emphasized that maintaining population sustainability requires consistently achieving specific fertility targets each year. They contend that languages, ancestral lineages, diversity and cultural heritage all depend on meeting these demographic thresholds.

In their paper published in the journal Plos One, the researchers noted: "The underpopulation crisis has been a serious threat to the sustainability of developed countries."

They added: "The worldwide total fertility rate - the number of children per woman - has dropped from 5.3 in the 1960s to 2.3 in 2023."

Currently, the Republic of Korea has the world's lowest fertility rate at just 0.87. BBC News reports that specialists point to high living expenses, intense workplace expectations, and increasing desires for better work-life balance as contributing factors.

In the UK, birth rates have fallen dramatically over the past ten years. Latest figures connected to the 'baby bust' reveal that some boroughs have seen a 60% decline in women having babies since 2013.

Meanwhile, a doomsday map revealed the 4 safest US states to survive armageddon.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

I used to think that humanity would react to global warming and climate change in time to avert utter calamity.  I dont think I feel that way any longer.  There are too many people who would let the planet go to hell as long as they get theirs. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1  Thomas  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

I used to think that humanity would react to global warming and climate change in time to avert utter calamity.  I dont think I feel that way any longer.  There are too many people who would let the planet go to hell as long as they get theirs. 

They are banking on having so much they can have their own private armies or alternatively just don't give a fuck because they will be dead by the time things deteriorate that much.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Thomas @1.1    3 months ago

Musk wants to move humanity to Mars, more particularly those who can afford it. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @1.1    3 months ago

the ultra wealthy are reverting back to their good old days, you know, feudalism ...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 months ago

I’m all for Musk and his kind moving to Mars.  They can take their money with them.  Should do them a lot of good on a rocky, barren planet.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.3    3 months ago

he hasn't yet figured out how to get all the workers needed there to run his neo-nazi maga nirvana to pay for their own ticket.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.5  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    3 months ago
the ultra wealthy

There have always been "ultra-wealthy" and there always will be.

There have been numerous attempts to "level the playing field" (in more modern times that's been called "Communism") but its never suceeded for any significant length of time.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.6  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    3 months ago
Musk wants to move humanity to Mars, more particularly those who can afford it.

I would think it would be more a case of those who actually want to go ...(regardless of wealth)!

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.2  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Gazoo @1.2    3 months ago

diseased microbes from past earth atmospheres, once long frozen in the polar ice caps now melting, are mutating their way thru the food chain for the next pandemic. fortunately in north america, most of the human threats to civilization are anti-vax ...

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.2.2  Gazoo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.1    3 months ago

Didn’t watch the video i see. Not surprised.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Gazoo @1.2.2    3 months ago

as soon as I saw that it was a fake journalist with $787.5 million settlement paid liar media credentials, I clicked it off. that's a valid reason to most maga, right?

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.2.4  Gazoo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.3    3 months ago

Just admit you can’t refute ANY of the climate lies exposed in the video that suckers slurp up. It’s ok, really.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @1.2    3 months ago

Your video deals with the more extreme predictions.  Yes, it is unfortunate that bozos like Gore exaggerate.   But the key is that the video does recognize that climate change is indeed happening.

Here is a rebuttal video that presents climate change and consequences in a factual, scientific manner.

Go to 14:52 to see the core claim of this video: 

“the EPA's 2009 finding that the human-caused emissions of greenhouse gases threaten human health and welfare was accurate at the time in 2009. It has stood the test of time exceedingly well and is now even stronger”

It is irresponsible (and stupid) to focus on exaggerations and mistakes and then conclude that the core understanding of climate change and its consequences is wrong.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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1.2.6  Gazoo  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.5    3 months ago

Yes, the video does recognize that climate change is happening. No one i know denies that. The point of the video is to call out climate alarmist groups who sell fear and profit very well from that. That’s all. things are not nearly as bleak as a few of the comments make them out to be. Go ahead and have the last word.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.2.7  Thomas  replied to  Gazoo @1.2    3 months ago

According to my research:

The title itself overstates what the video proves. It identifies several claims that are exaggerated, disputed, or contradicted by subsequent evidence, but generally does not establish that the people making those claims knew them to be false. Calling them “lies” converts a criticism of accuracy into an accusation of deliberate deception without supplying the evidence necessary for that additional claim. 

and:

The central problem with the video is not that its individual facts are routinely fabricated. Many of the numbers and examples it uses are real. The problem is that the video repeatedly draws conclusions broader than those facts can support. It often identifies an exaggerated prediction, a misleading headline, or a data point that complicates a popular environmental narrative, then treats that as evidence that the underlying environmental concern itself has been exaggerated or disproven.

For example, rising global food production does not demonstrate that climate change has had no adverse effect on agriculture. Production can continue increasing because of improvements in technology, irrigation, crop genetics, fertilizer, and farming practices even while climate change reduces yields or slows productivity growth compared with what otherwise would have occurred. Similarly, the absence of a uniform worldwide increase in every measure of drought does not establish that climate change is not worsening drought in particular regions or under particular measures.

The same reasoning appears in the video's treatment of polar bears, sea-level rise, and the Great Barrier Reef. A larger estimated global polar-bear population than several decades ago does not establish that continued loss of Arctic sea ice poses no threat to the species. The fact that societies can adapt to some amount of sea-level rise does not establish that such adaptation will be inexpensive, universally practical, or sufficient to prevent substantial damage. And unusually high coral cover during a particular survey period does not establish that the Great Barrier Reef is simply "doing fine" when the same monitoring record also documents repeated mass-bleaching events, significant losses, and subsequent recoveries.

The recurring technique is therefore best described as selection followed by extrapolation. The video frequently selects a real fact that undermines the most alarmist version of an environmental claim, but then treats that success as though it also disproves the broader scientific concern behind it. The evidence often supports the narrower correction. It does not necessarily support the larger conclusion the video asks the viewer to draw.
 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Gazoo @1.2.6    3 months ago
The point of the video is to call out climate alarmist groups who sell fear and profit very well from that.

Did you not read what I wrote in my comment??

TiG@1.2.5 ☞  Your video deals with the more extreme predictions.  Yes, it is unfortunate that bozos like Gore exaggerate.   But the key is that the video does recognize that climate change is indeed happening.

One can always find alarmists and extremists.   They exist in every imaginable domain.   So when someone focuses on the extremes, they are misrepresenting actual reality.   Extremists, by definition, are a fringe minority.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.9  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.2.1    3 months ago
most of the human threats to civilization

And don't forget-- there are term limits in The Constitution!!!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

Western economies that are built on an pyramid shaped population will struggle to survive demographic collapse. That's obvious.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    3 months ago
pyramid shaped population

The Cone Heads weren't real-- that's all fiction!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3  MrFrost    3 months ago
Previously, Elon Musk claimed that declining birth rates pose the "greatest risk to the future of civilisation."

He's an idiot. We have far too many people on this planet as it is and the population keeps growing exponentially... We can't feed the people we have, and with the price food going through the roof, it's not going to get better. 

Here is a site that lists global population by year. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3    3 months ago
have far too many people on this planet as it is and the population keeps growing exponentially

Population is not "growing exponentially" 

Less people are starving now than ever, despite more people sharing the planet than ever before.

These arguments were trendy in 1970. The world passed them by. .

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    3 months ago

I'll just assume you didn't follow the link....thanks. 

Just an FYI? Since 1970 the planet has added just shy of 5 billion people. Have a great day. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.2  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    3 months ago

very similar to the maga mentalities that we're dealing with ...

I've noticed my kids who were a bit indifferent to politics in the past, are very interested now, because of it's negative financial effects on them ...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    3 months ago
nce 1970 the planet has added just shy of 5 billion people.

Right. That's literally the point..

And where are widespread famines etc that people were predicting in 1970?  Go read the Population Bomb written in 1968 making the same claims you are now and have a good laugh. 

And  a global fertility rate of 2.2 is not "exponential  growth." It's barely any growth and negative growth in wealth generating countries. .  Words have meaning. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    3 months ago

And is fucking the atmosphere and running out of water, drill baby drill contributes to increased eathquakes.

Don't worry, be happy.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    3 months ago
These arguments were trendy in 1970. The world passed them by

republicans were trendy in the 80's. the world passed them by ...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.4    3 months ago
And is fucking the atmosphere and running out of water, drill baby drill contributes to increased eathquakes.

Exactly right. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.7  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 months ago
I've noticed my kids who were a bit indifferent to politics in the past, are very interested now, because of it's negative financial effects on them ...

There have always been people who operate more out of self-interest (as opposed to altruism).

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @3    3 months ago

He really is only banging the drum for white babies.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4  Dismayed Patriot    3 months ago
Scientists warn 'greatest risk to civilisation' coming sooner than thought

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Krishna
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4.1  Krishna  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4    3 months ago
Scientists warn 'greatest risk to civilisation' coming sooner than thought

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Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Krishna @4.1    3 months ago
There are techniques you can use to delay orgasm!

Too bad Fred didn't use them indefinitely, though I'm sure Mary Anne was hoping for it to be over as fast as possible.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @4.1    3 months ago
There are techniques you can use to delay orgasm!

Like being anywhere near Trump.

 
 

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