A nation of immigrants

I used Google's Gemini to refine my original text.  

A colonist is a person who moves to a new territory with the intent of establishing a settlement, or colony, that remains politically tied to, or is a dependency of, their country of origin (the metropole). The key distinction is the act of establishing or participating in a system of colonialism, which involves political, economic, and often cultural domination over the indigenous people and their land.

An immigrant is a person who moves to a country already established under a different political jurisdiction from their homeland, typically with the intent of permanently residing there and integrating into the existing society.

In other words, a colonist creates a society that an immigrant assimilates.  

In other words, a colonist...

is someone who thinks they should be allowed to export their own country into someone else's county with the specific intent of wiping out the native population and replacing it with their own.

is someone who thinks they should be allowed to export their own country into someone else's county with the specific intent of wiping out the native population and replacing it with their own.

Essentially, yes.  If we establish a human habitation on the Moon or Mars, it won't be accomplished by immigrants.  People living in space are not immigrants.

The colonists to North America created what would become the United States.  The United States is not an extension of indigenous cultures and societies that immigrants assimilated.

• • Political and economic control:   A colonizing power takes control of a territory's government and economy to benefit itself.
  • Settlement:   Settlers from the colonizing country move to the new territory, often to claim land and resources.
  • Exploitation:   The colonizing power exploits the resources and labor of the colonized territory for economic gain, such as access to raw materials and labor for cash crops .

• Cultural impact:   Colonization often leads to the imposition of the colonizer's language, culture, and religion on the Indigenous population, and can result in the rewriting of history and the suppression of local knowledge.

• Power dynamics:   The process creates a hierarchy where the colonizers are at the top and the colonized population is subjugated, often with systems of racist or discriminatory practices.  

• Colonialism:   The practice, ideology, or policies of establishing and maintaining colonies and exerting political and economic control over them.
• Imperialism:   The broader practice of a powerful nation extending its control and influence over other countries or regions, which can include colonialism but also other forms of dominance like economic influence without physical settlement.
• Colony :   The territory or settlement that is established and controlled by a foreign power.  

As a Native American, I can concur that is what has and is happening in the U.S. today.

• • Political and economic control:  A colonizing power takes control of a territory's government and economy to benefit itself.
  • Settlement:  Settlers from the colonizing country move to the new territory, often to claim land and resources.
  • Exploitation:  The colonizing power exploits the resources and labor of the colonized territory for economic gain, such as access to raw materials and labor for cash crops.

• Cultural impact:  Colonization often leads to the imposition of the colonizer's language, culture, and religion on the Indigenous population, and can result in the rewriting of history and the suppression of local knowledge.

• Power dynamics:  The process creates a hierarchy where the colonizers are at the top and the colonized population is subjugated, often with systems of racist or discriminatory practices.  

• Colonialism:  The practice, ideology, or policies of establishing and maintaining colonies and exerting political and economic control over them.
• Imperialism:  The broader practice of a powerful nation extending its control and influence over other countries or regions, which can include colonialism but also other forms of dominance like economic influence without physical settlement.
• Colony :  The territory or settlement that is established and controlled by a foreign power.  

As a Native American, I can concur that is what has and is happening in the U.S. today.

A nice way to start an article, will a clarification of terms. I appreciate the explanation between colonist and immigrant.

Yes, and now are being colonized again. See Dearborn Michigan. 

Yes, and now are being colonized again. See Dearborn Michigan.

Complete hyperbolic xenophobic nonsense. Just because certain areas have high Muslim populations does not mean they are colonizing America. But I get it, anything that isn't white conservative Christian approved is seen as destroying America for the backwards brain-dead bigoted xenophobe conservative Christians.

Just because certain areas have high Muslim populations does not mean they are colonizing America.[✘]

Imagine being so dense

I don't think my imagination is good enough to imagine supporting a convicted felon and admitted sexual predator who was found liable for rape. I also have trouble imagining America without all its diversity which has made us the envy of the world. America IS great because it welcomes Muslims, Christians, Hindu's and Atheists. It certainly isn't great because of the disgusting white Christian bigots who have been falsely claiming America as theirs and trying to whitewash their past while forcing immigrants to assimilate into their warped fucking useless conservative faith and culture.

on't think my imagination is good enough to imagine supporting a convicted felon and admitted sexual predator who was found liable for rape.

It is good enough  to imagine Trump was found liable for rape

 I also have trouble imagining America without all its diversity which has made us the envy of the world.

Lol. Is that what you imagine makes us the envy of the world? You think if our economy fell apart and our constitution was destroyed people would still envy us because of "diversity". The naivete is staggering. 

erica as theirs and trying to whitewash their past while forcing immigrants to assimilate

And somehow, this is even worse.  You think you add millions of immigrants and not focus on assimilation!  Such a incredibly  ignorant argument. 

It is good enough  to imagine Trump was found liable for rape

Don't have to imagine it...

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll - The Washington Post

So, what we know that he has been found liable for is touching, grabbing, groping for his own sexual pleasure against her will. And, in a way, it's a distinction without a difference.

Breaking down the verdict as jury finds Trump liable for sexual assault and defamation | PBS News

But I guess there are those who want to argue that " touching, grabbing, groping for his own sexual pleasure against" a woman's will isn't "rape", most likely because they like to keep the option open for themselves.

But I guess there are those who want to argue that " touching, grabbing, groping for his own sexual pleasure against" a woman's will isn't "rape", most likely because they like to keep the option open for themselves.

It's only sexual harassment for Democrats.  Bill Clinton was only liable for sexual harassment in the Paula Jones incident.  And Clinton was a repeat offender with Monica Lewinsky. 

The court case with E. Jean Carroll was civil litigation about defamation before the litigation over alleged sexual abuse.  That's why it's appropriate to question the statement that Trump raped E. Jean Carroll.  

And, of course, none of these ladies mattered to the Dem/Lib world either with Billy Clinton as their model -

Monika Lewinsky, Juanita Broaddrick, Leslie Millwee, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Cristy Zercher, Eileen Wellstone, Sandra Allen James, Teresa Hampton, Karen Hinton + the other females from his Epstein Island "holidays".

Is that what you imagine makes us the envy of the world? You think if our economy fell apart and our constitution was destroyed people would still envy us because of "diversity". The naivete is staggering. 

That is not an appropriate hypothetical 'comeback' to the statement made by Dismayed Patriot! 

I also have trouble imagining America without all its diversity which has made us the envy of the world.

I also have trouble imagining America without all its diversity which has made us the envy of the world.

Yes, the assimilation properly takes place as EQUALS, and not as one culture dominating all equal people within a BLENDED society. Time to not let MAGA forget this aspect of moving forward together. 

And let's say the 'quiet part' out-loud: This country does not belong to Trump and MAGA  and company!

Remember the word "liable" - has nothing to do with actually occurring - so stated the judge.

Regarding the jury verdict, the judge asked the jury to find if the preponderance of the evidence suggested that Trump raped Carroll under New York's narrow legal definition of rape at that time, denoting forcible penetration with the penis, as alleged by the plaintiff; the jury did not find Trump liable for rape and instead found him liable for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.

the evidence suggested that Trump raped Carroll under New York's narrow legal definition of rape at that time, denoting forcible penetration with the penis, as alleged by the plaintiff; the jury did not find Trump liable for rape and instead found him liable for a lesser degree of sexual abuse.

"a distinction without a difference" to anyone who actually cares about their mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts and any other women on the planet. But clearly to those who are so desperate to keep a sexual predator felon in the highest office in the land nothing actually matters anymore so I guess it's pointless. There is nothing Trump could do to lose his MAGA base. Apparently, Trump could go around and sexually assault everyone's mothers in front of them for Thanksgiving and as long as he doesn't rape them, just some sticky fingers, the MAGAites will cheer! "Hooray for the almost rapist! That other woman couldn't prove "forcible penetration with the penis" and only sexual assault, so he's our man! We love guys who say they like grabbing women by the pussy and 'almost rape' women!". How anyone with more than half a brain could be proud of their support for that piece of shit I will never know.

'Fun fact': Marjorie Taylor Green supported Trump when he 'sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll, but turned on him for 'other women' whom were assaulted as girls . 

Trump was found liable for “sexual abuse” rather than “rape” because New York’s specific legal definition of rape is narrower than the common, everyday meaning of the word, and the civil jury was instructed to apply that narrow definition.[2][3][5]

## New York’s legal definition

Under New York law at the time, “rape” in the first, second, or third degree is defined specifically as nonconsensual vaginal intercourse involving penetration by a penis.  Other forms of forced sexual penetration (for example, penetration with fingers) are criminalized under different provisions, such as sexual abuse or criminal sexual act, rather than labeled “rape” in the statute.[3][5]

## What the jury was asked

In Carroll’s civil battery claim, the jury received a verdict form that asked them in sequence whether Trump had “raped,” “sexually abused,” or “forcibly touched” her, using the New York statutory definition of rape (requiring penile vaginal penetration).  The jury did not find that Carroll had proven rape under that narrow statutory definition, but did find that she proved a lesser degree of sexual abuse, and awarded millions of dollars in damages on that basis.[2][3]

## Why this matters for the label

The judge later explained that the evidence and the jury’s findings showed Trump forcibly penetrated Carroll with his fingers, which legally fit “sexual abuse” under New York’s scheme but not “rape” as that statute uses the term.  The judge also wrote that, in ordinary, non-technical language, this conduct is rape, and therefore Carroll’s public statement that Trump “raped” her was “substantially true,” even though the jury checked the “sexual abuse” box rather than the “rape” box on the civil verdict form.[1][5][3]

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 disgusting white Christian bigots

The irony of that accusation is absolutely hilarious.

How can 3% of the population colonize it?  This isnt the 1600's. 

Now do dearborn. 

How can 3% of the population colonize it?  This isnt the 1600's. 

They set up a colony in where their culture dominates a small area  and slowly expand outwards. And over generations you control a significant area. Are you familiar with Irish history?

Now do dearborn. 

I would assume they are part of the US population?

I am curious: what is the point here? That population groups that enter this country and 'clump together' are somehow still "foreign bodies" by definition because they do not march to the tune 'playing' by the larger majority? 

As we all know there are natural points of tension between words (conveying meaning) and practical considerations about how people live inside a community. Simply, because Muslims -gather-in a central location to each other does not mean they are colonizing that space! Certainly there is the potential for this to happen. . . and it is why we have state and federal representatives to adjudicate between 'Us' as citizens to COMPLY what is rule of law and acceptable culture—importantly, being FAIR (balanced) to ALL!

AI overview from Google -

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and ?

Yes, and now are being colonized again. See Dearborn Michigan. 

Dearborn has already been colonized ... happened nearly 240 years ago.   What you are seeing is not colonization but rather an intense clustering of immigrants.   And Dearborn has been largely reshaped into an Islamic community.   It even has Sharia law courts and conventional law enforcement largely lets them handle their own affairs.   Not good.   Immigration is bad when it starts operating outside of our laws.

 Immigration is bad when it starts operating outside of our laws.

And that is a problem. If/when citizens fundamentally enact local laws and policies which will DIS-align them with state and federal laws. . . a problem 'zone' is erected. "Sharia law courts" I am going to ask a question and by doing so I mean no disrespect to Native Americans— Is the Dearborn community establishing its own nation inside this nation we call U.S. A.?

We pay people to lead and direct these kinds of 'moments' in civic life/control.

That’s a distinction without a difference. If Americans did this in Kenya, it would be called, properly a colony of Americans. The concept is thousands of years old and there’s no need for semantic games.

It is the meaning of the word.   Using words properly is not a game. 

I noted what is taking place in Dearborn to indicate that they are approaching colonization but have not achieved it.   If this group successfully takes over Dearborn and establishes a legal authority, they would then colonize Dearborn.   Right now, the legal authority is that of the USA, and they would need to overthrow that (typically with force).   Possible, but unlikely.

A reasonable example of this comes to mind in Ukraine's Crimea, where the Russian President laid claim to the area based on how many Russians allegedly live and die there.

But, the sad part is - (AI compiled by Google)

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• Early 20th century:   While early Arab immigrants to the U.S. were often Christian, the 1920s saw a wave of immigration to Dearborn from southern Lebanon, composed mainly of Muslims.
• Job opportunities:   Many immigrants followed Ford when it relocated to Dearborn, transforming the city and paving the way for its high concentration of Arab Americans.
• Late 20th century:   New waves of immigration from the Middle East, including Muslims from Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen, continued to grow the Arab and Muslim population.
• Modern status:   In 2023, Dearborn became the first Arab-majority city in the United States , a testament to the ongoing history of Middle Eastern immigration to the area.  

Which part do you consider 'sad'?

(Also, when quoting AI, per site rules, you need to mention the AI —as you did— and then quote the AI content to distinguish it from your own.  In short, treat the AI content as you would any other source.)

Pretty much what you have listed - their occurrence is sad in that non-muslim residents "apparently" are losing their voices.

Didn't know that 'bout the quoting AI sources.  Thanks.

Immigrants have clustered in specific areas for ages.   See the Italian, German, Cuban, etc. communities that evolved in the 20th century.   The Dearborn situation does strike me as extreme but it is not the most extreme, see Hialeah, Florida.

I would prefer immigrants assimilate to extant US culture, but I think it is unrealistic to expect that.   People will naturally continue with their customs and traditions.   Over time, they will be more a part of the 'melting pot' but that takes many generations and they will always have clear distinctions.  For example, the Italian and German communities are over 100 years old.  They are not very distinguished nowadays (unlike the harsh contrast with Islamic communities) but they do indeed retain some of their customs and traditions such as Oktoberfest.

And Dearborn has been largely reshaped into an Islamic community.   It even has Sharia law courts and conventional law enforcement largely lets them handle their own affairs.   Not good.   Immigration is bad when it starts operating outside of our laws.

That's when it becomes colonization.

That's when it becomes colonization.

Correct.   Dearborn has not reached the point of ignoring US laws.

Dearborn has not reached the point of ignoring US laws.

I'd say that's fair.  

There was a story about local mosques broadcasting a 5 daily call to prayer, starting as early as 5:30am.  However when challenged, they apparently changed the behavior to comply with existing city ordinance.  I'm not sure the last part of that gets broadcast as much as the first.

Wrong.  The Mayflower brought colonists to the New World.  Colonists are not immigrants.

Colonists were invaders. There were already people living where the Europeans landed. If there had been no people living in the Americas, it would be more fair to label them colonists. Of course, they called themselves colonists. That term is not the result of some dispassionate historical analysis. Europeans did not think of the natives as people on the same level as themselves.

Does that comply with AI ? /s

Does that comply with AI ?

We're soon to be colonized by AI...if we haven't been already...

The "colonists" moved in to share the land. . . and then thinking better of it decided to take it over. Of course, they 'spied' it out first and then 'might' took charge of the situation. "A land fit for the taking" - Got 'took.'