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Trump, GOP face disarray. For Democrats, the hard part is coming

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  one month ago  •  40 comments

By:   Amie Parnes (The Hill)

Trump, GOP face disarray. For Democrats, the hard part is coming
Democrats may gain control of the House and Senate in the midterms, but internal party divides threaten their path toward the 2028 election.

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The Democratic Party taking control of Congress in 2026 only means they'll need to be kicked out in 2028 or 2030.  Until then, the Democrats will try to kill the filibuster, do away with the electoral college, pack the courts, lie about the national debt, and waste a lot of time on trivial issues affecting tiny segments of the population.


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Democrats may come out of the midterm elections with control of the House, a small majority in the Senate and a feeling of elation they've been missing for years.

But what comes after that may be the harder part.

Even a decisive win in November would not erase the problems that have plagued the party since its devastating losses in 2024, when Democrats lost the presidency and Senate majority and failed to win back the House.

If they do have a big midterm win in November, it will be because of President Trump's low approval ratings and his handling of the economy amid the ongoing war in Iran, Democrats acknowledge. It won't be because of radical changes or lessons learned on their part.

Democrats say their party is still trying to find a cohesive message and a connection to voters, even as they find themselves in the middle of the worst internal fight in years between the socialist and moderate flanks of the party.

That fight will inevitably spill into the 2028 Democratic primary, with the winning side effectively choosing the next Democratic presidential nominee and its path going forward.

"I think the way we come out of this will matter more than anything," one Democratic donor said. "If we come out too smug, feeling like we've figured everything out, feeling like we know voters and they understand us, we've already lost the next battle."

"We've got some stuff to figure out, even if we win big," the donor added. "We still don't have a clear sense of who we are and what we're for, and we'll have to continue to figure that out."

Recent polling highlights both why voters are motivated to vote in November and their sentiments in casting votes for Congress. They underscore how this election is about Trump and may be more of a negative reaction to him and the GOP.

A Politico poll released this week revealed that half of Democratic respondents said if their party wins control of Congress, it would be because of Trump, while 35 percent said it would be the result of strong Democratic campaigns.

A September CBS/YouGov poll found that 54 percent of Democratic voters were motivated to vote against Trump and Republican policies. Forty-six percent said they wanted to help Democrats enact their own policies.

A Pew Research Center poll from July was even more stark, showing that 81 percent of Democratic voters and Democratic-leaning voters saw their vote as one against Trump.

Some political observers warn that a strong showing in November could deepen the internal feud within the party rather than resolve divisions that have only escalated in recent months. This would set up a debate over which faction deserves credit for a big Democratic Party win in the midterms, one likely to play out in the 2028 presidential contest.

"Look for Democrats to operate under fear and chaos," said Susan Del Percio, the veteran Republican strategist who does not support Trump or the current GOP Congress's policies.

"Once the midterms are over, traditional Democrats will start to reconcile how to best deal with the DSA," she added, referencing the Democratic Socialists of America. That liberal group has been behind a number of left-wing victories by primary candidates this year.

"My best guess is that they will operate from fear, meaning they are afraid of facing their own primaries, which will lead to chaos," Del Percio added.

"The chaos will be the most open and public in the House, unless Jeffries has enough of a majority to govern without them," she said, referring to House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries (N.Y.). "However, the 2028 presidential candidates will also have to face off on whether they support the DSA agenda, or if they even recognize the DSA as members of the Democratic Party."

Democrats expect candidates eyeing the 2028 presidential race to make their intentions clear quickly once the midterms are over. It could be a race that attracts well more than a dozen candidates.

After that happens, Democrats will have to start convincing voters that they've had their reckoning, they've learned their lessons and they have policies that the electorate can get behind.

"Democrats are going to have to come out with a proactive, positive agenda that's on offense and doesn't include a noun, a verb and Donald Trump. And I think the time for that starts on Nov. 5," Democratic strategist Joel Payne said. "That's the big project."

One strategist said the party is "fooling ourselves" if they think the results of the midterm elections really mean voters are supporting them.

"People still don't like the Democratic Party and what it stands for, and if we think the results mean differently, we're complete fools, and we're going to be killed in 2028 when Trump won't even be on the ballot," the strategist said. "We have to make this about us and not about Trump. We're so far from that."

Democratic strategist Rodell Mollineau said he doesn't feel as strongly. But he agreed that the work isn't done, even with a big midterm elections win.

Democrats, he said, have to keep their sights trained on the economy above all from now through 2028.

"Voters have economic anxiety, and they're looking for economic change," Mollineau said.

While strategists, donors and lawmakers have said Democrats continue to have a messaging problem with voters, Mollineau insisted "it's not a question of message, it's a question of message discipline."

"Can you get everyone on the same page to talk about the same issues so it's lockstep and breaks through," he said.

But Mollineau said while Democrats have come a long way since their losses in 2024, "I don't think all of our problems will be solved until we have a nominee."

"The person who comes out of the primary will set the message and the agenda for the party," he said. "That's the reality."


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    one month ago

Same shit, different party.  Democrats will invest more time, money, and effort into electing the 1st woman President than addressing real concerns felt by real people.  Expect a lot of kicking the can down the road, pandering to small special interests, and 'Orange Man Bad' spittle spewing outrage.

Might as well pledge that the first thing out a Democratic controlled House will be articles of impeachment.  Democrats don't have anything else.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1    one month ago
Same shit, different party.

Bullshit.

Ask yourself when the last time the democrates held all 3 branches of government.  Now look at what they actually got done despite republican attempts to block it.  Compare that to what the republicans have accomplished under Trump's 1st 2 years both last and current administration.

Democrats did some good but didn't do enough.

Republicans didn't do any good and did too much to the detriment of the average American.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    one month ago
Ask yourself when the last time the democrates held all 3 branches of government.  Now look at what they actually got done despite republican attempts to block it.  Compare that to what the republicans have accomplished under Trump's 1st 2 years both last and current administration.

Democrats gave us financialized health care.  Never before have so many been dependent upon government backed insurance companies to receive basic healthcare.  The financial institutions are holding both doctors and patients hostage to extort profit.  Thanks a lot, Democrats.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.1    one month ago
Democrats gave us financialized health care.

WtH?  Medicine in this country became financialized in the late 60's and 70's Then blessed by Congress to make profit.

The beginning of the medical insurance nightmares.

Two thirds of all US personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills.  We lead the world by far.

Initiated by the Nixon WH 

Amended under Ford & Carter and twice under Reagan.

The failure has the GOP's fingerprints all over it.  All for greed.

 Never before have so many been dependent upon government backed insurance companies to receive basic healthcare.

What exactly are you bitching about?  ACAH?  Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare or VA?

Private health care is about 65% but slipping because the Baby Boomers are coming aboard Medicare fast  

Breakdown by coverage type (2025, Census Bureau) favicon?url=www.census.gov Census.gov

  • Public (government‑backed) coverage : 35.8% of the population

    • Medicare : 20.1%

    • Medicaid : 17.1%

    • TRICARE : 2.8%

    • VA/CHAMPVA : 1.2 %

    • Other public programs (e.g., CHIP) are included in Medicaid/CHIP totals in other reports.

  • Private coverage : 64.2% of the population

    • Employment‑based insurance : 53.5%

    • Direct‑purchase private plans : 10.5%

Boomers are enrolling at a rate of 10,000 a day.

  • 70 million Boomers (born 1946–1964) are entering Medicare eligibility at about 10,000 people per day LeadingResponse +1 .

  • By 2030, all Boomers will be at least 65, pushing Medicare’s beneficiary count above 80 million LeadingResponse .

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The financial institutions are holding both doctors and patients hostage to extort profit.  Thanks a lot, Democrats.

That's some serious gaslighting.  Thanks Nerm.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.2    one month ago
WtH?  Medicine in this country became financialized in the late 60's and 70's Then blessed by Congress to make profit.

I'm talking about the ACA that was jury rigged by Barack Obama.  Congress granted President Obama the power to play fast and loose with the ACA implementation to mollycoddle the insurance providers.  Democrats have been expanding the insurance customer base by loosening eligibility requirements.  By increasing the use of healthcare (subsidized by government) the insurance companies have only grown richer.

That's some serious gaslighting.  Thanks Nerm.

I'm not the one who is doing the gaslighting.  Or moving the goalposts.  Or trying to accuse Republicans for a non-legislated cause of the problem.  If Republicans had showered the insurance companies with as much cash as Democrats have then there wouldn't be so much gaslighting to defend the financial institutions.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.3    one month ago
I'm talking about the ACA that was jury rigged by Barack Obama.  Congress granted President Obama the power to play fast and loose with the ACA implementation to mollycoddle the insurance providers.  Democrats have been expanding the insurance customer base by loosening eligibility requirements.

I'm sorry, but are these ramblings based in fact?

10 million people have lost coverage under  Trump.  4.2 million of them kicked off of the ACA 

By increasing the use of healthcare the insurance companies have only grown richer.

True, it's proof that lobbying works for big business, not much else.

If Republicans had showered the insurance companies with as much cash as Democrats have then there wouldn't be so much gaslighting to defend the financial institutions.

You aren't making the impression of an unbiased observer, is this just the partisan rant of the day or this week?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.1    one month ago
Democrats gave us financialized health care.  Never before have so many been dependent upon government backed insurance companies to receive basic healthcare.

So you admit that more Americans now have basic healthcare under PPACA than ever before (until republicans started gutting it when they took over the country).  Don't forget at the same time democrats were pushing for a public option for Medicare.  Republicans blocked that as well.

Thanks a lot, Democrats.

Says the millions of Americans that were finally able to obtain even the basic level of health insurance after Obamacare rollout.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.6  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.5    one month ago
So you admit that more Americans now have basic healthcare under PPACA than ever before (until republicans started gutting it when they took over the country).  Don't forget at the same time democrats were pushing for a public option for Medicare.  Republicans blocked that as well.

More Americans now have access to basic health insurance.  The insurance companies are the gatekeepers for access to basic health care.  Medicare is also an insurance program, not a healthcare program.  Medicare and Medicaid allows the government to be the gatekeepers for access to basic health care.  

Extravagant expansion of access to health insurance (private and public) has not lowered the cost of health care.  ACA created more coded services that are now billable.  Free advice from health care providers ain't free any longer.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.4    one month ago
10 million people have lost coverage under  Trump.  4.2 million of them kicked off of the ACA 

Aren't those the 10 million that Joe Biden and Democrats added to ACA rolls by temporarily lifting the subsidy cliff?  Trump (and Republicans) did not kick anyone off ACA; they only allowed the temporary lifting of the subsidy cliff to sunset as Democrats intended.  

You aren't making the impression of an unbiased observer, is this just the partisan rant of the day or this week?

Don't you mean that I'm not endorsing your preferred bias?  

Affordable medical care is not an insurance problem.

 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.6    one month ago
More Americans now have access to basic health insurance.

Once again correct.

The insurance companies are the gatekeepers for access to basic health care.

The American way!!!

Medicare is also an insurance program, not a healthcare program.

Alternative would be socialized medicine.  What republicans have claimed PPACA was for over a decade.

Medicare and Medicaid allows the government to be the gatekeepers for access to basic health care.

Gatekeepers whose motive is NOT a profit margin.

Extravagant expansion of access to health insurance (private and public) has not lowered the cost of health care.

And never will as long as that healthcare is controlled by for profit corporations.

ACA created more coded services that are now billable.

As required by the insurance companies.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1.9  Snuffy  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.6    one month ago
ACA created more coded services that are now billable. 

Are you talking about ICD codes? Because that wasn't created by the ACA.  The original ICD codes were created back in 1763 by a French physician. They have been expanded and modified over time to the current system. The World Health Organization owns the ICD-10 codes. The U.S. version of ICD-10, created by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) and the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and mandated for use in 2015.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.10  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.8    one month ago
Alternative would be socialized medicine.  What republicans have claimed PPACA was for over a decade.

The original intent of insurance was to socialize catastrophic losses.  That remains true for most types of insurance.

That's not the case with modern health insurance. 

As required by the insurance companies.

Insurance companies DO NOT provide medical care.  It's the medical providers demanding payment.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.10    one month ago

what is a catastrophic loss in somewhat in the eye of the beholder. A $5000 dollar bill that is patient responsibility is virtually unpayable by some. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.12  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Snuffy @1.1.9    one month ago
Are you talking about ICD codes?

No.  I am talking about CPT and HCPCS codes.  Those are the codes for billable services.  And hundreds of new codes are added each year.

The ICD-10 codes describe a patient's illness, injury, or medical condition that justifies providing medical care.  Today the diagnostic services to identify potential ICD-10 coded conditions are billable services.  Preventive care is billable under CPT and HCPCS codes as services to prevent an ICD-10 coded medical condition.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.1.13  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.11    one month ago
what is a catastrophic loss in somewhat in the eye of the beholder. A $5000 dollar bill that is patient responsibility is virtually unpayable by some. 

A routine physical checkup should not be a catastrophic loss.  The checkup consists of simple measurements and observations (weight, height, blood pressure, pulse, listening to lungs, checking ears and mouth, reflexes, etc.), a series of lifestyle questions, questions about past medical history, and (for us old farts) a cognition test.  My local provider charges my insurance company a little over $700 for a routine checkup.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.7    one month ago
Don't you mean that I'm not endorsing your preferred bias? 

No, I mean that except for a few weeks recently, you blame the Democrats for everything wrong with this country since

Andrew Jackson was elected; as if they were smart enough to create some master plan to ruin your day,

each and very day.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.10    one month ago
It's the medical providers demanding payment.

And it is the insurance companies demanding how they demand payment.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1    one month ago

If the votes are there to convict, Trump is IMO —by far— the most suitable PotUS for impeachment and removal from office in our history.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.2.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.2    one month ago
If the votes are there to convict, Trump is IMO —by far— the most suitable PotUS for impeachment and removal from office in our history.

Yep, I agree.  But the votes won't be there because Trump is all Democrats have to unify their base.  Democrats aren't going to give up their scapegoat.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.1    one month ago

But Trump is not a scapegoat; he IS the problem.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.2.3  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.2    one month ago
But Trump is not a scapegoat; he IS the problem.

No, Trump is not the problem.  The problem is giving the Presidency too much authority and power.  That problem will continue without Trump in office.  And Democrats are not going to fix the real problem of too much Presidential power because that limits the abuses the Democratic Party can pursue.

Same shit, different party.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.3    one month ago
No, Trump is not the problem.  The problem is giving the Presidency too much authority and power. 

Both are problems.   The only good that Trump has done is expose how many cracks are in our system given a rogue PotUS.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.4    one month ago
Both are problems.   The only good that Trump has done is expose how many cracks are in our system given a rogue PotUS.

'Rogue' is so dependent upon a biased point of view.  The only real fix is to return to the original intent, jurisdiction, and authority for the 3 branches of government.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.5    one month ago

When it comes to Trump, we have an extreme situation.  Those who do not recognize Trump as rogue compared to the historical norm are lying to themselves.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @1    one month ago

They will spend two years fruitlessly impeaching him for saying mean things.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.3.1  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3    one month ago

You do not recognize the impeachable offenses of Trump?   You think his 'bad' is merely 'saying mean things'??

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.1    one month ago

Some of these people are beyond help, all we can do is make sure they lose. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.1    one month ago
u do not recognize the impeachable offenses of Trump?

What exactly, has Trump done in his second term that will have a prayer of getting anywhere near 60 plus votes in the Senate?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.3.4  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.3    one month ago

I doubt any offense will get 60 votes in the current Senate.   But that is beside the point.   I asked you about impeachable offenses, not whether the current Congress would convict.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.4    one month ago

Impeachable offenses are whatever a majority of democrats say they are.   So mean tweets will probably be an impeachable offense In a couple months,

 the point is he hasn’t done anything in his second term that would actually justify an impeachment that could come close to getting 67 senators to convict him, the actual required number under the constitution. Demcorats will vote to convict him for having bad hair. It’s just pure partisan nonsense.  it’ll just be yelling for the sake of yelling and accomplish nothing other than de stigmatizing impeachment.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.1    one month ago
  1. Committing or planning war and humanitarian crimes

  2. Unconstitutionally usurping Congress’s power to declare war

  3. Committing treason by levying war against the United States, individual states, and their people

  4. Committing treason and abusing his power by inciting violence, including killings, in Minnesota and covering up the execution of Minnesota civilians by ICE agents

  5. Calling for the execution of Members of Congress

  6. Abusing the power of his office to unlawfully maintain political power

  7. Unconstitutionally operating U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol as unaccountable federal police forces to violate civil liberties in furtherance of Trump’s personal and political goals

  8. Illegally kidnapping, detaining, and removing U.S. residents

  9. Unconstitutionally and systemically violating the First Amendment

  10. Unconstitutionally usurping Congress’s powers

  11. Defying court orders, threatening judges, and unconstitutionally usurping judicial authority

  12. Abusing investigatory and prosecutorial powers

  13. Abusing his power to remove and hire nonpartisan civil servants, punish perceived adversaries, and reshape federal agencies

  14. Engaging in unlawful extortion to co-opt law firms, the media, and private industry

  15. Engaging in corruption for his own and his close associates’ personal enrichment

  16. Co-opting and dismantling independent government oversight of businesses, government institutions, and law enforcement

  17. Imposing unlawful tariffs

  18. Receiving foreign and domestic emoluments

  19. Unconstitutionally usurping state and local authority

  20. Abusing the emergency power

  21. Abusing the pardon power

  22. Abusing his power to undermine public health and safety

  23. Abusing his power in order to deprive the American public of accurate political, historic, scientific, and medical information

  24. Unlawfully aggregating and disseminating private data, in violation of individual privacy and liberty rights

  25. Depriving citizens of their birthright citizenship

  26. Blocking efforts to secure U.S. elections

  27. Engaging in unlawful, corrupt practices during the 2024 presidential campaign

IMPEACH TRUMP. AGAIN.

Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law, listed no fewer than five grounds for impeachment:

  • Sending people to prisons in El Salvador and South Sudan and cutting off funds to universities and grant recipients without a semblance of due process

  • Using the power of the presidency to exact retribution against law firms because they employed lawyers who investigated or prosecuted him

  • Impounding funds appropriated by Congress, including money set aside for scientific research, international aid, colleges and universities, and government agencies

  • Using the military for domestic law enforcement in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

  • Personally profiting from being president, including cryptocurrency profiteering, acceptance of a luxury airplane from a foreign country, and entering into private real estate deals

Collectively, Chemerinsky said, these actions “show a president who has no regard for the Constitution and laws of the United States. Our country has never seen anything like this.”

How Many Impeachable Offenses Has Trump Committed? Let Us Count the Ways

Article I: Undermining Democracy—Sowing Doubt in Elections

Article II: Abuse of Power—Waging War on Iran Without Congressional Approval

Article III: Abuse of Power—Extrajudicial Killings in International Waters of Venezuela

Article IV: Abuse of Power—Deploying Military Forces Against United States Cities

Article V: Violation of Oath—The Birthright Citizenship Executive Order

Article VI: Abuse of Power—Canceling Federal Grants to Punish States for Their Votes

Article VII: Abuse of Power—Imposing Loyalty Tests on the Federal Workforce

Article VIII: Disregard of Courts—The Alien Enemies Act and the Case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

Article IX: Violation of Oath—Cruel and Unusual Punishment at CECOT

Article X: Violation of Oath—Unlawful Withholding of Appropriated Funds and Dismantling of Congressionally Established Programs

Article XI: Abuse of Power—Obstructing the Lawful Appointment of United States Attorneys

Article XII: Abuse of Power—Defying Court Orders in Immigration Enforcement

Article XIII: Abolishing a Congressionally Mandated Agency—The Department of Education

Article XIV: Violation of Oath—Unlawful Mass Termination of Inspectors General Without Statutory Notice to Congress

Article XV: Unlawfully and Unilaterally Taxing United States Citizens Through Emergency Powers Tariffs

Article XVI: Abuse of Power—Political Prosecutions of Comey, James, and Schiff

Article XVII: Abuse of Power—The IRS Settlement and the Corruption of the Judgment Fund

Article XVIII: Abuse of Power—The Corrupt Use of the Pardon Power

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.6    one month ago

one could argue that some are interchangeable with Hegseth's impeachment articles;

The articles of impeachment against Hegseth are privileged, meaning the House must take them up within two legislative days.

Here are the eight impeachment charges:

Article I: Charges that Hegseth waged war with Iran with no declaration of war, claiming it was unlawful since it began in February.

Article II: Points to the war powers resolutions that have been passed in both chambers of Congress that directed the removal of U.S. forces from Iran. Both the House and the Senate are expected to vote on another war powers resolution this week.

Article III: Similar to the first two articles, but goes further on the 60-day termination under the 1973 War Powers Resolution and charges Hegseth with blowing past “mandatory statutory deadlines as discretionary.” The war has continued for nearly seven months and has continued to escalate after a fragile ceasefire fell apart. 

Article IV: Claims the secretary ignored “laws that minimize civilian casualties.” 

Article V: Points to at least 221 deaths caused by “replacing maritime law enforcement with unauthorized lethal military targeting of suspected drug traffickers” after an operation that targeted alleged drug traffickers off the coast of South America earlier this year. 

Article VI: Cites the administration’s high-profile feud over free speech after Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ) appeared in a video urging service members to refuse illegal orders. Hegseth called the video “seditious” and moved to strip Kelly of his rank and pension, though a court blocked the effort. The Pentagon appealed the block, with the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals hearing oral arguments in May.

Article VII: Targets the capture of Maduro “without constitutional or legal authority.” Congressional Democrats and Republicans raised questions over the constitutionality of the raid and the implications around the world in briefings following the operation.

Article VIII: Claims strikes in Yemen also violated war powers reporting requirements, specifically pointing to civilian deaths.
 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.3.8  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.5    one month ago
Impeachable offenses are whatever a majority of democrats say they are.  

You continue to ignore the obvious grave abuse of presidential power: illegal tariffs, illegal war, use of federal troops for domestic 'law enforcement', endless law fare/coercion of political enemies, firing of government watchdogs, personal enrichment,  etc.

I do not doubt that an investigation would reveal all sorts of insider trading, collusion, special deals to supporters, etc.

And very likely we will see another attempt by the sitting PotUS to steal an election.   

Dismissing the obvious fact that Trump is grossly abusing the power of the presidency for his own enrichment, amusement, vengeance, and glorification shows that you will defend this tyrant no matter what.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.8    one month ago
egal tariffs, illegal war, use of federal troops for domestic 'law enforcement', endless law fare/coercion of political enemies, firing of government watchdogs, personal enrichment,  etc.

Just partisan nonsense.  If those things are impeachable, every President in your lifetime would have been impeached.   Though you are proving my point, for the democrats impeachment basically boils down to "things i don't like" = impeachable and unconstitutional. 

ot doubt that an investigation would reveal all sorts of insider trading, collusion, special deals to supporters, etc.

The "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime"  Andrey Vyshinsky  school of justice. Start with the punishment and figure out a way to justify it 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.6    one month ago

Lol. Proving my point.  How dumb is Steve Cohen?

Article XIII: Abolishing a Congressionally Mandated Agency—The Department of Education

Don't look now but the Department of Education stills exists! 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.3.11  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.9    one month ago
Just partisan nonsense.

Is this all you have nowadays; just deem Trump criticism partisan?   At least show some indication that you know what it means to be partisan.   You know, Sean, it is evidenced by always framing things positive for one party and negative for the other.

Criticism of Trump is not partisan;  the exact same criticism would be rendered by me if he were of any other party.

If those things are impeachable, every President in your lifetime would have been impeached. 

That is absurd.   No PotUS in our lifetimes has come close to the abuse of power we see from Trump.   Other than Trump supporters, do you really think your ridiculous claim would influence anyone?

The "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime" ...

You are just making shit up and posting it.   There is no defense for Trump, so we see this nonsense from his supporters.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.3.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.9    one month ago

Everyone's always picking on poor Donald Trump. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Trumps political career should never have gotten off the ground. By the time Trump blowharded himself into being a moron attacking Obama through "birtherism" in 2011 , the state of Hawaii had already OFFICIALLY stated (two separate times) that Obamas birth certificate was in the state archives and had been personally inspected by the head of the department of health.  If Trump was curious, all he had to do was call up the governor of Hawaii's office and ask them what was up. They would have took his call, he was very famous in 2011. That is what an actual titan of business would have done before going out and making a fool out of himself. Instead Trump lied and said he had detectives finding amazing things in Hawaii. 

Why he wasn't shunned forever in politics is one of the greatest mysteries - oh wait , there was one small thing propping his political career up - racism. Ta da. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.11    one month ago
his all you have nowadays; just deem Trump criticism partisan?

No, I actually distinguish between criticism and the standard for removing an elected official from office. You want to criticize Trump? Be my guest.  That you are equating something that justifies criticism with being an impeachable offense is exactly my point.

Criticism of Trump is not partisan;  the exact same criticism would be rendered by me if he were of any other party.

It overwhelmingly is. The problem for many Trump critics is others remember how they acted during the Biden presidency. 

 do you really think your ridiculous claim would influence anyone?

Do you think your opinions claims carry any weight outside of the far left partisans? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.3.14  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.13    one month ago

I do not criticize him for being an R;  I criticize what he does.   His party affiliation is irrelevant.   However, in your case, his party affiliation grants him blanket immunity from criticism.

That you are equating something that justifies criticism with being an impeachable offense is exactly my point.

If an outrageous abuse of power is not an impeachable offense to you, then what is? 

Answer:  clearly nothing if the abuser is an R.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2  Split Personality    one month ago
The Democratic Party taking control of Congress in 2026 only means they'll need to be kicked out in 2028 or 2030. 

Maybe yes, maybe no.  in either case not earth shattering news.

Until then, the Democrats will try to kill the filibuster,

You mean like trump, who begged  the R's to dump the filibuster?

do away with the electoral college,

Says who?  Hillary?  She's passe.

pack the courts, lie about the national debt, and waste a lot of time on trivial issues affecting tiny segments of the population

You obviously have trump confused with the Dems....

 
 

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