WNBA champ Natasha Cloud expands on America criticism after calling country 'trash' | Fox News
By: Ryan Gaydos (Fox News)
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WNBA champion Natasha Cloud doubled down on her criticisms of the United States following the Supreme Court rulings on affirmative action and a case involving artist Lorie Smith.
Cloud created a stir on Friday when she wrote on Twitter that "Our country is trash in so many ways and instead of using our resources to make it better we continue to oppress Marginalized groups that we have targeted since the beginning of times" and that "Black/brown communities& LGBTQ+ man we are too powerful to still be attacking issues separate."
On Saturday, Cloud spoke out again taking aim at those critical of her for her comments. She said those critics needed to come at her with something better than "move to Russia or China."
"I'm blessed to travel the world for my career. I've been in plenty of countries that I would have my human rights, healthcare, free/assisted schooling, don't have to fear mass shootings or white supremacists, don't have to be concerned about the highest maternal mortality rates," she wrote.
"Less police murders, no mass incarceration based on race, adequate minimum wage, rights to my body as a woman, I MEAN I CAN KEEP GOING.
"Cause these are things that America is capable of…and when I say trash this is what I'm referring to. We choose to allow politicians to line their pockets and spit false and hateful ideologies to pit us against each other.
"America is a business."
The Washington Mystics guard came up with a hypothetical about whether White people would want to be Black people.
"If I asked y'all would you wanna be black in America or apart of the LGBTQ+ community during this time in history. Y'all mf lying if you say yes. Y'all see the disparities. And if you don't you're uninformed, ignorant, and or just racist," she wrote.
"It is plain and simple.
"Y'all tired of me saying your racist. IM TIRED OF YALL BEING RACIST.
"You don't know me or my heart. But you still hate me immediately for the color of my skin, being gay, and being a woman.
"This is how some of y'all were raised and trained to think. ITS WRONG."
Cloud then had a message for "my religion weaponizers." She added, "y'all the people that killed Jesus."
"Religion in this country is political, it's weaponized, it's hypocritical, it's disappointing. It's not love. Because God is love. In the purest form.
Natasha Cloud of the Washington Mystics warms up before the game against the Minnesota Lynx at Entertainment and Sports Arena.(Scott Taetsch/Getty Images)
"Take a good hard look at how y'all live your life in a constant state of hate and judgement. Hypocrisy at its finest."
On Thursday, the Supreme Court rejected the use of race as a factor in college admissions as a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause. On Friday, the high court ruled in favor of Smith, who sued the state of Colorado over its anti-discrimination law that prohibited businesses providing sales or other accommodations to the public from denying service based on a customer's sexual orientation.
Fox News' Joe Morgan contributed to this report.
Ryan Gaydos is a senior editor for Fox News Digital.
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Natasha please do move to those other paradise countries you love so much since you are so unhappy in this one! Just one word to describe your attitude. INGRATE!
On Saturday, Cloud spoke out again taking aim at those critical of her for her comments. She said those critics needed to come at her with something better than "move to Russia or China."
A few years ago she played Besiktas CT Istanbul. Guess she was impressed with the lack of racism, LBGTQ inclusion and freedoms in Erdogan's Turkey. Or maybe the money was more important.
I didn't see a reference to any of that in his post. What made you ask those questions?
Don't really give a rat's ass about any of that. I think she should leave this country because it is obvious she hates this one.
Get back to me when she tries to overthrow the government because she lost an election.
Until then she's not the worst we have.
A sport players life is a short lived window, over 60% of WNBA players supplement their ability to earn playing overseas.
“Or maybe the money was more important.”
Or just maybe, at least for time being, she has the right to speak her mind in this country…and dialogue, endangered as it has become, is essential lest we continue on the path to stagnation.
Exactly, what's Turkey's human rights situation when there is good money to be made.
Perhaps, I think it probably had more to do with bias than anything else but....
I've written nothing that suggests otherwise, what did you misinterpret?
“Or maybe the money was more important.”
What, did you forget?
More important than speaking out on human rights abuses.
As far as your second paragraph, did I specifically mention any of those things? No I did not, so do refrain from putting words in my mouth!
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And that precisely has what to do with the topic?
Oh!it has nothing to do with it. Your TDS just could not prevent you from making a .no related comment
Unfortunate there is just one word to describe your attitude. Un-American.
In America you can have a difference of opinion, just because some people don't agree with you, even if most people don't agree with you, it is your right to have that belief. Other, non-democratic countries like North Korea, you can be punished, executed, or exiled for those beliefs. But not in America.
Those brown people that risk their and their families lives to come to "our country is trash", must be very stupid in comparison to Cloud. They don't speak the language or have a very marketable skill like she has and yet they come to this racist country. Maybe we should deport them for being so stupid.
So is Ed not allowed to have an opinion without being labeled?..... Isn't there a word for that?
Some talk the talk on diversity of opinion but can't walk the walk.
That is your "opinion" about her "opinion". Ain't America great?
So you feel that telling someone to leave the country because you do not believe their opinion is considered American?
I don't know what you think "all things MAGA" is, but I've never voted for Trump.
I wouldn't mind if Trump left the country.
Absolutely, because I think you're right on point with this....
WTF does Trump have to do with any of this?...
I have definitely noticed that in some groups....
Anyone that disagrees with me is just despicable.
Neither would I, but there are many actual reasons for wanting him to leave, you don't have to do it for his opinion of this country.
Do what? The opaqueness of your comments are hard to follow.
Same here.
Then try reading the entire comment and not stop halfway through.
Sure thing, that will connect the dots like Jackson Pollock.
When my daughter was younger, we went to see the Washington Mystics frequently. I didn't know which players were gay or not.
Because the man spent 20 years defending this country in uniform.
Maybe he prefers to stay here in country and fight the idiocy that is the left here at home.
So he gets to complain, but others don’t? Exactly what was he fighting for then? Because it sure as shit wasn’t the Constitution, if critics should shut up or move.
I didn’t have to assume anything. I responded directly to the words he wrote. Nothing more. Don’t like it? I guess you could move.
He never said they can't complain. That's what most liberals are known for anyway..complaining.
He said if the woman does not like this country and decisions the SC made, she can move.
That's it.
No. He said, “please.”
He asked her to move. Why? Because he doesn’t like that she complained. So, logically, she should shut up or move.
It’s absurd that you think you need to rush to his defense. But your lame effort isn’t helping.
I didn’t make a claim. I asked a question. See the question mark?
I await his answer. It’s not a claim.
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That is not a question. It was a suggestion. Questions have question marks after the sentence end. Sorry you interpreted it wrong. He never told her to shut up.
I can assure you Ed does not need defending. He is fully capable of handling himself on here, including any leftist.
I am simply pointing out how your view on his comment is wrong....
In my initial comment I said absolutely nothing about mouthy, uppity, black, lesbian basketball players and I defy anybody to post exactly where I said that.
The fact is I do love it here. I was born and raised in the land of my Native and Hispanic forbears. Despite denigrating my 20 years of faithful and honorable service to my country that included shedding my blood for it in two wars on two continents for those that most likely never served a day in a uniform, I would do it all over again.
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Actually, you misrepresented what I said and deleted my clarification of my remarks. So all anyone has is the narrative you want to push.
Look doooood. When you say I made a claim, you’re lying. I asked a question - with an actual question mark. It was not even directed at you. But you choose to inject yourself into the matter, rather than letting the grown-up answer for himself.
No, all you’re doing is harassing me.
I’m responding now to your meta comment. It’s therefore on topic. Delete if you can’t resist, but if you do, I will be complaining to the boss.
Funny thing is that I have that person on ignore and he knows it. I will not answer him but he still sends me comments thinking I will reply.
Yep, we are seeing backpedalling to new heights today.
Good, this site could use more of that. Much “moderation” on here amounts to nothing more than censorship in an attempt to support a narrative.
I’m in full agreement with Ed. If it’s that bad, leave it. Calling this country “trash” is just disingenuous. Especially coming from a 1%er.
I'm only in favor of this WNBA player leaving if all the Jan 6th traitors , have to leave too.
Otherwise, leave her alone. You have no case.
Exactly, two wrongs make a right.
[Once and for all Trump is NOT the topic.]
The topic is why this woman is asked to leave by "conservatives". I am telling you why that is ass backwards.
When you forward a point that is not a simple deflection, then you might have a point.
Otherwise, she should pack her bags if she is so unhappy.
No one is asking her to leave. Most are wondering if she thinks this country is such trash, why she doesn’t leave.
It makes no sense.
Yes, they are. See the comment @2.
It makes perfect sense. Rather than leave, she wants her country to improve.
Why should this woman contemplate leaving when actual traitors are allowed to stay?
It makes perfect sense if you are an angry, minority 1%er I guess.
She does herself and her cause a disservice being so vitriolic. This country isn’t trash. Far from it and anyone who thinks it is should do themselves a favor and consider moving to a less “trashy” location.
For mental health reasons if nothing else.
People who were adjudicated for their actions on Jan 6th are paying the price. You see John, that’s how the justice system works in this country. Your opinion on the matter is more or less meaningless.
And Ad Hominem attack noted ….
I think traitors should be asked to leave the country. Whether or not they have been "adjudicated" is irrelevant.
I never said that he was.
Start asking.
As I said, your “opinion” on the matter is irrelevant.
You go girl!
I do love how Enes Kanter Freedom called her out. For those who don't know, he played 2021-2022 with the Boston Celtics and has since been traded to the Houston Rockets.
Natasha Cloud reminds me of the stories about young people bitching about how poor they are and how they have no opportunity for advancement, typing their woes into the I-Phones while sitting in Starbucks sipping their 7 dollar latites. While America isn't perfect, it's a long sight better than a lot of countries out there.
It’s hilarious how the people who make statements like this don’t understand what a shitty argument this is, or how stupid they look making it.
This is your standard for measuring and defending America? You compare it to communist or Islamo-fascist dictatorships? That’s the bar???
Why don’t you try other countries? We have an about 200, you know.
How about we start with SOUTH Korea instead of North?
How about Japan, England, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, Sweden, Ireland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Canada, etc. and so forth. You know I could list dozens of countries that compare quite favorably to the United States on issues of equality, freedom, economy, crime, education, or whatever other metric you want to pick out.
Instead we get these whiny baby voiced, “oooooo why don’t you move to Russia?” Give me a fucking break!
I see you missed the point again. It was about the argument, and - no surprise - you have no reaction to that.
It’s hard to believe anyone could be this ignorant. You know very well that American freedom has nothing to do with whether or not a person can settle in another country. People are also free to emigrate from any of the countries I listed, but they need American permission to settle here. So your statement was just silly.
I literally just described the point when I wrote,
Since you missed it, I’ll repeat it:
Still say I have no point? Perhaps you’d like to retract your claim.
Why don't you take that to Enes Kanter Freedom as it was his statement not mine. Don't accuse me of saying something that I didn't say. Give me a fucking break!
Morning tacos...I get where you are coming from but can assure you we have exactly the same problems here she was on about as does New Zealand..
So not sure what countries she thinks are Utopia...bit hard to judge when you are not a mere mortal living in these said countries...besides "been in countries" is very different to when you are looking out of a five star hotel..I am sure she wouldn't be slumming it..
We have shootings, stabbings, racism, high incarceration of Kooris, white extremists, health care is free to a certain extent, schooling is free to a certain extent.. it's much the same over in NZ..
So nope don't think she would want to come here...
I never said you did. But do keep just making shit up and deleting comments. You’re on a roll.
I never claimed you said it. You posted a quote and I reacted to it. Was I supposed to ignore it?
You people are amazing. This is literally two people (you and Texan) who are claiming that I have attributed those statements to each of you. Which is it? It can’t be both!
Maybe you should have a talk with Texan and figure out which one of you I think said those words.
Here’s a hint, though. I know full well that neither one of you said it. And I have never made any other representation. When I respond to the words that I quote, I am responding to the speaker or writer of those words, unless I say otherwise.
On this topic, though, you did post the words. Is that because you agree with them? What do you think of my attack on the argument? Unlike another commenter, I hope you see the point I was making. If so, how do you feel about my observation that picking the worst countries in the world is no way to brag about America?
Yeah, no place is perfect. Depending on her priorities, though, maybe she has seen places that are better than the US in ways that matter to her. Or maybe she’s mistaken.
But there’s nothing wrong her saying that health care and education are too expensive, police are too brutal, women’s rights are threatened, etc.
Ignore it? no. But your reply was to me and when your reply was this :
As the reply was to me directly and you never stated your comment was aimed at Enes Kanter Freedom then how am I supposed to think it's not aimed at me?
Yet you continue to insult me in post 4.2.9. By insulting me you have no other point. Don't bother to reply, you are on ignore as you are not worth my time.
How am I supposed to respond, if not to you?
You attributed the words to Enes and put them in a quote box. Why would I think they were your words? If you’re confused, you could try asking, “do you think I said those words?” But you didn’t ask, instead you just attacked.
Where have I been insulting you? What do you find offensive?
Meanwhile, you have nothing to say about the words you posted. Though they are not your words, you have been given ample opportunity to say where you stand, so we must assume you agree with them. Therefore it makes little difference whether you said them or not.
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There is more basket ball money here and that’s a priority.
Is there? I don’t actually know. I have heard there’s lots of money to be made in Europe, and the WNBA just hasn’t taken off. I mean, it exists, but the crowds and ratings are pretty terrible, I think.
Keeps stating he never says things but ignores the concept of very strong implications on his part!
The most oppressed people/generation in history. Her bravery is awe inspiring.
So, let me get this right, when angry bitter old MAGAs drone on and on endlessly about how the America they once knew and loved has gone completely to hell because of Biden and the Democrats and that all of our great cities are now shitholes because of liberals, immigrants and minorities that is all just fine and dandy, but when one young black woman says basically the exact same thing then that is good cause for endless outrage and poutage by those exact same angry bitter old MAGAs?
Really?
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If they ever state they know of a better country to live in; then don't let the door hit their asses on the way out!
No one is forced to stay in this country. They can pack their bags and head to their better country.
But I haven't heard any MAGA claim that. They want to take back their country from mighty mental midget leftists and their fucked up policies. Which is currently headed by Brandon the Human Fuck Up Machine.
Those are her exact words. Maybe you should tell her to tone down her rhetoric; or go live in one of her countries that are so much better than this one. She has the freedom to leave this one at any time.
If she gets arrested in some other country, she might end up singing a different tune.
I wonder if her comments and attitude will help improve attendance and make advertisers want to spend money on the WNBA?
She can talk all the shit she wants to, but such vile rants are bad optics for her and reflect poorly upon WNBA.
Such behavior doesn't induce anyone to watch women's basketball.
You definitely got that right.
Take a good hard look at how y'all live your life in a constant state of hate and judgement. Hypocrisy at its finest.".
As she rants on twitter attacking anyone who criticizes her unhinged attacks..
A hyperbolic opinion, to be sure, but unfortunately, this is where many people stop reading because they’re too butthurt that she said this. Interestingly, some of these same people are not upset when other countries are referred to as “shitholes” or when certain states or cities are described with similarly unflattering terms.
A straightforward criticism worthy of discussion. I would say much progress has been made, but there is more to do. Lately it seems like many people are eager to turn back the tide of progress in this area. She is not the only one frustrated on this point.
A valid criticism of progressive groups. They often don’t work together. The progressive pride flag is a symbol of what she is calling for. Of course, we need more than just a symbol. We need real cooperation and effort.
America does well in human rights, but other countries score higher on various metrics. Public school is free here, but college is cheaper in many other countries. We do lead the developed world in mass shootings. That should bother everyone. We also have quite high maternal mortality rates. Again: reasonable criticisms.
Police do kill a lot of people. They injure far more. Many cops see the Constitution as an obstacle, rather than something they have sworn to defend. I agree we need major policing reform.
Statistics arguably point to unfair outcomes for people of color in the justice system. Either way, we do have a disproportionally high percentage of the world’s incarcerated people.
A woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy - or even just prevent one - are under assault from many quarters in this country.
She’s not wrong about that. Any honest white person should be able to admit that.
Yes. Especially from the evangelical right.
So . . . Setting aside the word “trash,” she makes a lot of valid points. Shouldn’t we all be working to right these wrongs?
Yup. But the knee jerk reaction is to label the source of the critique as the problem because it is easier to remove one person than to actually work on the problems addressed in her comments. That way the politicians and their party faithful do not have to admit that there exist problems, especially systemic ones, that need to be addressed to create a better America.
Stupid.
You wanted equality. Now you have it. Now quit your fucking crying.
And yet she keeps returning here. I wonder why.
Because this is her home and she wants it to be better?
Then she should do something to make it better. Crying on twitter only makes her look as lazy as every other "activist".
Exactly, she could cop a knee while on the clock during the National Anthem before basketball games, that always improves things.
We've seen how those "activists" careers have gone.
What type activists? Women? Blacks? FFS!
The ‘cancel culture’ lives.
Hypocrisy, thy name knows no bounds.
So you want to race bait. Play that racist shit among your friends.
Yep, seems all she can do is point fingers and badmouth it instead of doing anything to make it better. Like a lot of typical liberals, she is great at pointing out problems but very short on solutions.
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Awareness of the problem is the first step towards fixing it.
To listen to the bulk of the posters on this article, they don't think that anything is wrong except her complaining. Her experience tells us that the assumption of "everything is just fine with our systems" is incorrect and she is telling us that. The fact that she receives jeering, taunting, replies to her observations, being told that she is "crying" and that she should leave the country instead of thought out rebuttals to what she actually said tells us that you and others on here have no
your comments can be seen as "crying " and doing so on probably a much smaller stage.
We both know that she isn't going to do a goddamn thing except flap her lips. She is no different than any other "professional" sports activists. Lazy and looking for attention.
Nah, the real whiners are professional victims like Cloud. Always blaming someone else for their own shit.
Whiny little bitches, one and all …..
Everyone who has commented against her has whined about that one word or her general tone (and how offended they are personally
) and then talked about how she can/should leave. That’s the limit of their contribution.
Not one of them has engaged with the very specific criticisms she has of our government and society.
The point of my prior two comments was that all of us here on NewsTalkers are doing little but "flapping {our metaphorical} lips." The fact that you seem to not realize this is somewhat humorous and extremely ironic.
I fail to see the connection between professional athletes and "lazy". She was definitely looking for attention and she definitely got it, which means that she succeeded in her goal of raising awareness and promoting discussion. So the fact that Texas posted this article and Jeremy et. al. jumped on the bandwagon to trash her for what she said is, once again, both ironic and humorous because in your efforts to make her appear as "less than" you have shown where people had aught to concentrate their fight for a more civil society.
Cloud strikes me as the kind of person who demands respect on account of her achievements, but has never figured out that to get respect she has to give respect.