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Democrat criticizes Super Bowl crowd for not standing during Black National Anthem | The Hill

  
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By:   Sarah Fortinsky (The Hill)

Democrat criticizes Super Bowl crowd for not standing during Black National Anthem | The Hill
Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) on Sunday criticized the Super Bowl crowd for not standing during the performance of "Lift Every Voice and Sing," widely known as the Black National Anthem. "Very very few stood at Super Bowl for 'Lift Every Voice and Sing'. The Negro National Anthem," Cohen wrote in a post on X, formerly…

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by Sarah Fortinsky - 02/12/24 1:01 PM ET

Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.) on Sunday criticized the Super Bowl crowd for not standing during the performance of "Lift Every Voice and Sing," widely known as the Black National Anthem.

"Very very few stood at Super Bowl for 'Lift Every Voice and Sing'. The Negro National Anthem," Cohen wrote in a post on X, formerly Twitter.

"Not a pretty picture of Super Bowl crowd," he added.

This year marked the second time the anthem was performed in an official capacity at the Super Bowl. The anthem was performed by Grammy-winner Andra Day, and Reba McEntire performed "The Star-Spangled Banner."

The Black National Anthem was originally written as a poem by former NAACP leader James Weldon Johnson in 1900. Last year, it was performed for the first time at a Super Bowl by Emmy-winner Sheryl Lee Ralph, following heightened scrutiny of the traditional national anthem's connection to race and slavery.

Cohen, who represents Memphis, Tenn., in Congress, defended his original statement in response to some criticism in the replies to his post.

"I stand for both," Cohen said, in response to an X user who said people should only stand for the traditional national anthem. "And in Memphis, most do."

Cohen responded to a different user who said the traditional national anthem "doesn't see color" and who criticized Democrats for "dividing this country with race wars."

"Well, I honor our national anthem and respect it as representing our country and in our pride in it," Cohen wrote. "However if you look at the history and some of the verbiage, it does relate to slavery and not in a questioning manner."


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Texan1211
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1  seeder  Texan1211    3 months ago

Seems like America already had a national anthem.

Do we really need two or more?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1    3 months ago
Do we really need two or more?

I want one for the 83% Italian and 17% other (according to Ancestry.com)

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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1.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Texan1211 @1    3 months ago
Do we really need two or more?

Yes.  In today's world, the US is not a melting pot where diversity unites into common goals.  Anything less than recognition of every diverse group is considered discrimination.

Consider it kind of like gender.  Until recently, the majority of the world was content with two - male and female.

These days, the number of genders is whatever one individual decides it is and everyone else has to agree or be deemed unfit for social interaction.

So, in order to truly be inclusive and not discriminate against any group in the US, it is probably best just to scrap all anthems before sporting events in order not to hurt anyone's feelings if they are not recognized as being a special segment of US population.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2    3 months ago
it is probably best just to scrap all anthems before sporting events in order not to hurt anyone's feelings

Or:

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  mocowgirl @1.2    3 months ago
Anything less than recognition of every diverse group is considered discrimination.

Consider it kind of like gender.  Until recently, the majority of the world was content with two - male and female.

These days, the number of genders is whatever what one individual decides it is and everyone else has to agree or be deemed unfit for social interaction.

You are correct.

Personally, I refuse to engage in such buffoonery.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.2    3 months ago
Personally, I refuse to engage in such buffoonery.

Great, now the buffoons are going to want their own National Anthem.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2  Ronin2    3 months ago

If you are white and stand for the Black National Anthem isn't that cultural appropriation?

Someone had better get Cohen an updated leftist slide rule fast!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @2    3 months ago

LMAO!!!!

That's a good one!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3  1stwarrior    3 months ago

"Well, I honor our national anthem and respect it as representing our country and in our pride in it,"

If you honor OUR National Anthem, then what the hell are you doing trying to replace it?

"However if you look at the history and some of the verbiage, it does relate to slavery and not in a questioning manner."

If it would please His Honor, show us, in the text below, just exactly WHERE does it relate to slavery.

O! say can you see by the dawn's early light,
⁠What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
⁠O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the Rockets' red glare, the Bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our Flag was still there;
⁠O! say does that star-spangled Banner yet wave,
⁠O'er the Land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
⁠Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
⁠As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream,
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
⁠That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more?
⁠Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave,
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand,
⁠Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation,
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land,
⁠Praise the Power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto—"In God is our Trust;"
⁠And the star-spangled Banner in triumph shall wave,
O'er the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @3    3 months ago

Francis Scott Key may have owned slaves at some point--or  (gasp!) knew someone who did. Off with his head!

 
 
 
charger 383
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3.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 months ago

Does that really matter?  And to who?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  charger 383 @3.1.1    3 months ago
Does that really matter?  And to who?

People that see race every time they open their  eyes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.3  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  charger 383 @3.1.1    3 months ago
Does that really matter?  And to who?

My God, man, where have you been?

Didn't you get the memo that we are to judge every person in history by today's standards?

That any accomplishment is forever and irrevocably tainted by something else?

Maybe we should name NOTHING after ANY human--no song, star, school, product, holiday, street, park, city, county, town, or state to placate future generations. Not a single logo connected to anything human. Wouldn't want to get their panties in a wad.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 months ago

I'm not too concerned with that.  The idiots making that a big deal are half assed attempts anyway

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    3 months ago

Maybe we should name NOTHING after ANY human--

An AI national anthem!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.1.6  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.4    3 months ago
The idiots making that a big deal are half assed attempts anyway

It just seems that many liberals know a whole lot of things that are simply not true and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince us they are right. 

What makes anyone think we can accurately judge historical figures by today's "standards" when the entire world was different then?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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3.1.7  mocowgirl  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.5    3 months ago
An AI national anthem!

As a farm girl, AI refers to how cows were bred when we didn't have a bull in the field.  LOL!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.6    3 months ago
What makes anyone think we can accurately judge historical figures by today's "standards" when the entire world was different then?

A lot of alcohol?  Multiple concussions?  Stroke?  Mental deficiency?  Delusional?  Drugs?  Inbreeding?  Being liberal?

Honestly, outside of those, I can't think of a single valid reason to judge them by today's standards.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.9  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1.8    3 months ago
Being liberal?

All were pretty good guesses, but I think you nailed it here.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @3    3 months ago
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.No refuge could save the hireling and slave,From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave,

Lets see how well you know history.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 months ago
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.No refuge could save the hireling and slave,From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave,

  According to Stevenson University: At least three possible answers regarding why Key used the words slave and hireling in his poem. The first is that Key was a racist and was happy to see enslaved blacks in fear and the grave. The second is that Key was specifically referencing former enslaved Black who now fought against the US forces as part of Britain’s Colonial Marines. The third is that Key’s use of the words slave and hireling were simply a rhetorical device.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.1    3 months ago

In today's world, who really gives a damn about that crap?

All hopped over something in existence for decades, only NOW is it magically a problem for a few disgruntled fools.

The Congresscritter can suck eggs.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 months ago

The   Corps of Colonial Marines   played a significant role during the   War of 1812 .   These were two distinct British Marine units raised from former black slaves for service in the Americas , at the behest of   Rear Admiral Sir Alexander Cochrane 1 2 . Let’s delve into their contributions:

  1. First Corps (1808-1810) :

  2. Second Corps (1814-1816) :

    • The   second Corps   was more substantial and served from   May 18, 1814 , until   August 20, 1816 .
    • Most of this Corps was stationed at   St. Augustine   on the Atlantic coast, while a smaller group occupied the future   Negro Fort   on the   Apalachicola River   in remote northwest Florida.
    • Recruits were accepted from among escaped slaves who had already gained their freedom upon coming into British hands and were unwilling to join the West India Regiments.
    • The establishment of this force sparked controversy, as arming former slaves posed both a psychological and military threat to the slave-owning society of the United States.
    • The Corps participated in several engagements, including the   Battles of Bladensburg ,   Baltimore ,   Fort McHenry , and the   burning of Washington 1 3 .

In summary, the   Colonial Marines   were a unique force that challenged societal norms and contributed significantly to British military efforts during the War of 1812.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.3    3 months ago

These men were escaped slaves who were given their freedom by the British in return for fighting for the British. This is believed to be the meaning of the controversial passage written by Francis Scott Key. Note the location of one of the battles these troops fought at -  Fort McHenry. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.5  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.4    3 months ago
These men were escaped slaves who were given their freedom by the British in return for fighting for the British.

So they were traitors to America.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.1    3 months ago

I dont know why you people are so hell bent on denying historical reality. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.5    3 months ago

Words fail at times like this. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.5    3 months ago

If you were an escaped slave would you go back into slavery to fight for America?  Or would you accept freedom where you could find it?

These people didnt owe America a damned thing. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2.9  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.7    3 months ago
Words fail at times like this. 

Then why reply?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2.10  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.8    3 months ago

A traitor is a traitor, and I know how much you usually hate them!

Please define traitor.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.11  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    3 months ago

I dont know why you people are so hell bent on denying historical reality. 

 I don't know why you people are so hell bent on proclaiming you know facts that there is no way you could possibly know as a fact. I showed 3 possibilites and did not proclaim which is fact.
 Stop pretending you know facts there is no way you could know
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    3 months ago
d has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.No refuge could save the hireling and slave,From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave

He's obviously calling troops who fight for King George slaves. It's plain as can be.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

If you read this and think Keyes just suddenly switched from taunting the soldiers who swore to deprive Americans of a home and country to commenting on black slaves who weren't involved in the battle, there's really nothing that can be said.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.13  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.4    3 months ago

Did YOU stand for the black national anthem?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.13    3 months ago

nope

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.10    3 months ago

[deleted as taunting]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.2.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.2    3 months ago

In today's world, who really gives a damn about that crap?

Racists who are trying to prove they are not racist?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2.17  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.14    3 months ago

That's what I figured.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.12    3 months ago
Children play last month under a reproduction of the 15-star, 15-stripe flag that flew over Fort McHenry during the War of 1812 in Baltimore. (Linda Davidson/The Washington Post)

It was September of 1814. The British had   sacked Washington   and torched the White House. The conflict became known as the War of 1812, even though it was in its third year.

The British had also taken prisoners, including a popular doctor from Prince George’s County in Maryland. A friend of the doctor sailed on a ship flying a truce flag to negotiate a prisoner exchange with the Royal Navy.

The mission was successful; British commanders agreed to free the doctor. But while on the ship, the man — a 35-year-old lawyer named Francis Scott Key — overheard plans for a surprise attack on Baltimore. He and the doctor would not be allowed to leave until the attack was over.

That’s how Key ended up witnessing the bombardment of Fort McHenry while aboard a British ship. He couldn’t tell from his vantage point who had won or lost. But at dawn, he saw   the American flag , 15 stars and 15 stripes at the time, still waving over the fort and was inspired to write a poem. Soon, it was set to the tune of an existing song.

That’s the short version of how “The Star-Spangled Banner” came to be.

The longer version — of both the song and the story of the man who wrote it — reveals not only why it has become controversial now, in this season of racial reckoning, football and presidential campaigning, but why it was too controversial to become the national anthem for more than a century after it was written.

First, a few things to know about the War of 1812: One of the main issues was the British practice of impressment — the forced conscription of American sailors to fight for the Royal Navy. Plus, the British promised refuge to any enslaved Black people who escaped their enslavers, raising fears among White Americans of a large-scale revolt. The final provocation was that men who escaped their bonds of slavery were welcome to join the British Corps of Colonial Marines in exchange for land after their service. As many as 4,000 people, mostly from Virginia and Maryland, escaped.

It’s important to know these things because “The Star-Spangled Banner,” originally called “The Defense of Fort M’Henry,” has more than one verse. The second half of the third verse ends like this:

No refuge could save the hireling and slave

From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,

And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave

O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

These lyrics are a clear reference to the Colonial Marines, according to Jefferson Morley, author of “ Snow-Storm in August: Washington City, Francis Scott Key, and the Forgotten Race Riot of 1835 .” They are clearly meant to scorn and threaten the African Americans who took the British up on their offer, he wrote in a   recent essay   for The Washington Post. Key surely knew about the Colonial Marines, and it’s even possible he saw them among the contingent of British ships that sailed into Baltimore Harbor.

But Mark Clague, a musicologist at the University of Michigan and an expert on the anthem, disagrees. In 2016, he told the   New York Times : “The reference to slaves is about the use, and in some sense the manipulation, of Black Americans to fight for the British, with the promise of freedom.” He also noted that Black people fought on the American side of the war as well.

Whether manipulation or not, the British kept their word to Colonial Marines after the war, refusing the United States’ demand that they be returned and providing them land in Trinidad and Tobago to resettle with their families. Their descendants, called “ Merikins ,” still live there today.

And even if these lyrics aren’t meant to be explicitly racist, Key clearly was. He descended from a wealthy plantation family and enslaved people. He   spoke   of Black people as “a distinct and inferior race” and supported emancipating the enslaved only if they were immediately shipped to Africa, according to Morley.

During the Andrew Jackson administration, Key served as the district attorney for Washington, D.C., where he spent much of his time shoring up enslavers’ power. He strictly enforced slave laws and prosecuted abolitionists who passed out pamphlets mocking his jurisdiction as the “land of the free, home of the oppressed.”

He also influenced Jackson to appoint his brother-in-law chief justice of the United States. You may have heard of him; Roger B. Taney is infamous for writing the Dred Scott decision that decreed Black people “had no rights which the White man was bound to respect.” A   statue of Taney   and a   school named after Key   have been recent subjects of scrutiny during the protests following the police killing of George Floyd.

Although “The Star-Spangled Banner” and all of its verses were immediately famous, Key’s overt racism prevented it from becoming the national anthem while he was alive, Morley wrote. There was no official anthem, and many people chose to sing other songs, like “My Country ‘Tis of Thee.”

Key’s anthem gained popularity over time, particularly among post-Reconstruction White Southerners and the military. In the early 20th Century, all but the first verse were cut — not for their racism, but for their anti-British bent. The United Kingdom was by then an ally.

After the misery of World War I, the lyrics were again controversial for their violence. But groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy fought back, pushing for the song to be made the official national anthem. In 1931, President Herbert Hoover made it so.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.19  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.2.16    3 months ago
Racists who are trying to prove they are not racist?

Woke fools

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.2.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.18    3 months ago
These lyrics are a clear reference to the Colonial Marines

Despite playing no role in the bombardment.

And even if these lyrics aren’t meant to be explicitly racist, Key clearly was. He descended from a wealthy plantation family and enslaved people.

And there we have it....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.22  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.18    3 months ago

Washington Is Burning, by Andrew Cockburn (harpers.org)

By 1813, when he first arrived in Chesapeake Bay, Cockburn was forty-one years old and a rear admiral. His mission was straightforward: to inflict as much damage as possible on this economic heartland, thereby dissuading pro-war Democratic-Republicans (as opposed to antiwar Federalists) from their rash attack on the British Empire. “I have no hesitation,” he wrote to a superior officer, “in pronouncing that the whole of the shores and towns within this vast bay, not excepting the capital itself, will be wholly at your mercy, and subject if not to be permanently occupied, certainly to be successively insulted [raided] or destroyed at your pleasure.”

This ruthless scheme, which Cockburn was to follow to the letter, would have been absolutely impossible without first-class intelligence operatives to alert his raiding parties to enemy forces and guide them around the tortuous shoreline. Fortunately, volunteers for such a mission soon appeared: slaves. At first they were single men, eagerly welcomed by the British as the pilots and guides they needed. But the numbers quickly grew as entire families made their way to the ships. At this point the invaders made a crucial decision: they would accept any slave — man, woman, or child — and guarantee they would not be handed back to their owners.

It was a shrewd assault on the young republic, which at the time was really two nations: a free people, intoxicated by their new democracy, and an enslaved people, ill-fed, clad in rags, and routinely brutalized. In fact, the revolution had in many ways made the lives of enslaved Americans even worse. For example, among the goals of Virginian Founding Fathers such as Jefferson had been the breakup of big landed estates. Whereas in colonial times such estates passed to a single heir (the eldest), they could now be divided equally among siblings. This meant that slave families, too, were increasingly broken up. In his pathbreaking history   The Internal Enemy: Slavery and War in Virginia, 1772–1832,   Alan Taylor points out that “the revolution had produced a tragic contradiction by promoting greater equality for white men while weakening the security of black families.” In addition, observes Taylor, “by diffusing slave ownership, the new laws also broadened public support for slavery.” A nascent movement in favor of emancipation that had flickered during the years of the revolution soon died away.

In Taylor’s view, family separation was the most onerous of all the miseries inflicted on enslaved blacks. Perpetually indebted Virginia and Maryland planters were happy to breed and sell surplus bodies, regardless of family ties, to the expanding cotton plantations of the deep South. So enslaved black men, especially those living within easy reach of the coast, led their families to the British in large numbers.

The British understood very well that slavery was their enemy’s Achilles’ heel, and when Cockburn and his fleet returned to the Chesapeake in the spring of 1814 after wintering in Bermuda, he was determined to take full advantage. His orders read:

Let the landings you make be more for the protection of the desertion of the Black Population than with a view to any other advantage. . . . The great point to be attained is the cordial Support of the Black population. With them properly armed & backed with 20,000 British Troops, Mr. Madison will be hurled from his throne.

O n May 29, horrified planters had their first look at the next stage of the British scheme. A raid on Pungoteague, on Virginia’s Eastern Shore, featured the Colonial Marines, a regiment of former slaves now armed and trained on Tangier Island, Cockburn’s base in the middle of the bay. The rags in which their owners clothed them had been replaced by bright red uniforms, and they were eager for battle, rapidly putting the defending militia to flight. “I was highly pleased with the conduct of the Colonial Marines,” reported the raid’s commander, “every Individual of which Evinced the greatest eagerness to come to Action with their former masters.”

Cockburn, delighted with his recruits, noted happily that they excited “the most general & undisguised alarm” among the populace. He was certainly correct. “Our negroes are flocking to the enemy from all quarters, which they convert into troops, vindictive and rapacious — with a most minute knowledge of every bye path,” wrote an American commander in early August. “They leave us as spies upon our posts and our strength, and they return upon us as guides and soldiers and incendiaries.”

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.23  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.20    3 months ago
And there we have it....

Yes, more of the usual.

 
 
 
charger 383
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3.2.24  charger 383  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.8    3 months ago

They took a deal that was good for them and fought on the enemy's side, same as Benedict Arnold 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.25  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.22    3 months ago

None of that has a damn thing to do with the article and some Congresscritter upset over someone not standing when HE thinks they should have.

This is about America having two national anthems--a truly stupid idea that only PERPETUATES the very racism you decry regularly.

We HAVE a recognized national anthem--The Star Spangled Banner.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.26  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    3 months ago

Nobody is denying it.  They just aren't making it their identity.  We understand the history.  We've vowed to never allow it to happen again in this country.  And yes, that can happen without it being thrown up at every opportunity. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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3.2.27  charger 383  replied to  charger 383 @3.2.24    3 months ago

and then became the enemy and deserved to be called out in a patriotic song  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.28  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.25    3 months ago

You know any criticism of a Democrat must be met with deflection and distraction.  No matter how unrelated it is.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    3 months ago

Nothing like a little superbowl virtue signaling.  

I wonder if he had the same feeling about standing for the national anthem when players (and others) were kneeling during it.

 
 
 
charger 383
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4.1  charger 383  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    3 months ago

Good point

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    3 months ago

Not only that, but where are the "National Anthems" for the LGBQT/Gay/Hispanic/Asian/all others????

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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4.2.1  mocowgirl  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    3 months ago
Not only that, but where are the "National Anthems" for the LGBQT/Gay/Hispanic/Asian/all others????

I totally agree.  I had the same thought when I commented above.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.2.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    3 months ago
"National Anthems" for the LGBQT

Dylan Mulvaney has time on his hands, I hear he is writing his version now.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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4.2.3  mocowgirl  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.2.2    3 months ago
Dylan Mulvaney has time on his hands, I hear he is writing his version now.

Your comment brought this video to mind.  I'm thinking that Dylan has yet to rise to this level of mediocrity so I sincerely hope his version is not released until at least the next century.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.2.4  Ronin2  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    3 months ago

If they all get one; then I want a personal one for being a true American mutt!

75% percent German/Dutch/English/Norwegian mix- and 25% French/African American/Asian/Native American(2 maybe 3 tribes)/Latino.

The American Mutts deserve their own anthem.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5  seeder  Texan1211    3 months ago

It is just shit like this that makes me laugh when Democrats start squawking about "unity" and that we need to come together in some "kumbaya" moment.  Sometimes it seems they want us all close so we are easier to stab in the back!

Bunch of hypocrites.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Texan1211 @5    3 months ago

It appears to be the long-range plan of the left.... demonize white people, proclaim that white Christian nationalists and supremacists are a threat to our democracy, say that the US is a racist nation, and that racism is systemic and wide spread, etc., etc.

It seems to be a blatant attempt to divide the races by spreading false doctrine and fake history inspiring mistrust and hatred between the races.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1    3 months ago
demonize white people, proclaim that white Christian nationalists and supremacists are a threat to our democracy, say that the US is a racist nation, and that racism is systemic and wide spread, etc., etc.

Have you noticed that they cant back up any of those claims in todays US society ?  They always have to go back 50 - 60 years to find something.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.1    3 months ago
Have you noticed that they cant back up any of those claims in todays US society ?  They always have to go back 50 - 60 years to find something.  

Hey, you know the mantra:

"America is a racist country.

America has always been a racist country."

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    3 months ago
"America is a racist country. America has always been a racist country."

And all "non-whites" are perpetual victims.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    3 months ago
"America is a racist country.

America has always been a racist country.

Maybe fitting that in someplace in the existing national anthem will make them happy with the one anthem.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.5  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.4    3 months ago
Maybe fitting that in someplace in the existing national anthem will make them happy with the one anthem.

Only if the author never did anything wrong ever in their whole life to taint any of the good things.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.5    3 months ago
thor never did anything wrong ever in their whole life to taint any of the good things.

Well, so long as the author didn't do anything that was legal at the time but that successive generations decided was a moral transgression. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.7  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.6    3 months ago
Well, so long as the author didn't do anything that was legal at the time but that successive generations decided was a moral transgression.

Which is why we shouldn't probably name anything at all ever after any human.

It is unfair to judge past generations on today's "standards".

Imagine in the future--No President's Day, no MLK Day, not a single reference to any person!

No Washington, DC or Washington state.

No Monticello, no Lincoln Memorial, no Mt. Rushmore, no statue of Iwo Jima.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    3 months ago

Sounds like John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
 
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 months ago

The official National Anthem of the United States is the Star Spangled Banner ( ).  Why stand for any other "wannabe" Anthem? 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6    3 months ago

Because some dem rep no one has ever heard of says you are racist if you don't.  Same ole same ole.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1    3 months ago

It is funny that the party that gave us the KKK and Jim Crowe laws are supposedly "supporting" the people they have discriminated against.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.1    3 months ago
supposedly "supporting" the people they have discriminated against.

Now they spend all their time trying to convince you that you are racist because you don't buy into their virtue signaling bullshit and using their virtue signaling bullshit to try to convince you that they are not racist.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.2    3 months ago

One big "look at me" circle jerk. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.3    3 months ago

With no happy ending in sight, it seems many are always miserable.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.4    3 months ago

That has to be a terrible life.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    3 months ago

Why would anyone stand if they weren’t asked to stand?

And why would you even ask that? It’s just a random song that has certain meaning for certain people. I didn’t even know they were supposed to be doing some Black national anthem shit until I heard about it later. It looked like just another pregame musical performance to me.

We all stand for the National Anthem because 1) we are asked to stand, and 2) it is played to honor all of America. 

Ya know what people are not going to do? Stand for like 20 fucking minutes while you trot out every fake niche national anthem for every arbitrary ethnicity. Fuck that. Get on with the game.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @7    3 months ago
Ya know what people are not going to do? Stand for like 20 fucking minutes while you trot out every fake niche national anthem for every arbitrary ethnicity. Fuck that. Get on with the game.

That's when I go get another beer and some food.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.2  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tacos! @7    3 months ago
Fuck that. Get on with the game.

You mean you don't go to a movie theater at the time it is supposed to start so you can watch 20 minutes of coming attractions?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.2    3 months ago

Even better if I can stand during all the previews.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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8  Mark in Wyoming     3 months ago

BNA?  I don't even think about it, it's not mine or something I'm concerned about so I treat it like the military taught me to treat religion,  it may not be your but it is someone's , so show the minimum respect by remaining  silent and professional.

 
 

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