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House Republicans demand answers over 320,000 illegal immigrants flown into the US | Just The News

  
Via:  Jeremy in NC  •  10 months ago  •  143 comments

By:   Madeleine Hubbard (Just The News)

House Republicans demand answers over 320,000 illegal immigrants flown into the US | Just The News
The lawmakers are asking questions such as which cities the illegal immigrants are being flown into and how much the flights cost.

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House Republicans are demanding answers from the Biden administration after newly surfaced documents show that about 320,000 illegal immigrants from Latin America were flown into cities across the United States amid already record-high numbers of migrant encounters at the southern Border.

Nearly two dozen House Republicans sent a letter Friday to Customs and Border Protection acting commissioner Troy Miller after the Center for Immigration Studies obtained information through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that showed 43 U.S. airports have received 320,000 illegal immigrants in 2023 alone.

The lawmakers are asking the acting commissioner to answer questions about the program, such as which cities the illegal immigrants are being flown into, what dates the flights occurred and how much the flights cost.

The Republicans also expressed concerns that "there could be additional illegal immigrants on the terrorist watch list who could be flown into cities across the United States" through the federal program.

The number of migrants flown into the U.S. by the government is significantly larger than those transported to major cities by Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott, who has been blamed for an influx of migrants across the nation due to his Operation Lone Star program. Texas officials have transported more than 105,300 migrants throughout the U.S. by Texas officials, the governor's office said Friday.


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Jeremy Retired in NC
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1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC    10 months ago

It's very telling that the Democrats are not asking the same questions.  

Almost as if they are complicit with illegal immigration and the effects it's having on the country.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1    10 months ago

And just like all far-right wing accusations, it didn't happen. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  cjcold @1.1    10 months ago

And you actually think you are going to be believed?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  cjcold @1.1    10 months ago

True, initiated by the far right extremist group CIS, picked up by the Daily Mail ( Don't you miss the National Enquirer?)

then the Daily Mail article was pushed on TwitterX by Elon Musk the Magnificent(/s).

Then pushed by the usual sources that do not vet any story that agrees with their pre-existing bias or hatred.

What could go wrong?

The central assertions made by CIS, repeated by the Daily Mail or others, were that:
  • A Biden administration program was responsible for flying 320,000 migrants directly into the United States between January and December 2023.   (TRUE)
  • The program was a secret whose details were discovered by an outside group.   (FALSE)
  • The program allowed unvetted aliens to enter the United States.   (FALSE)
  • The U.S. government admitted that the program was a national-security risk.   (FALSE)
  • Such a program could affect U.S. politics by altering voter demographics.   (FALSE)

Of these five claims, only the first was true. The program has never been a secret, it does not transport "unvetted" aliens, and participation in it requires significant vetting and a sponsor who is a U.S. citizen. The program provides no pathway to citizenship, which is a requirement to vote. 

The CIS report that originated the assertion that the government "admitted" the program was a national-security risk was based on a deceptive and incorrect reading of the government's   argument   in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by CIS.

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This humanitarian parole option expanded to include nationals from   Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua ,   El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Colombia   and   Ecuador . People who are provided this option to apply for humanitarian parole receive what is known as an Advanced Travel Authorization from CBP. 

The process for requesting an ATA requires an app, created by CBP, named CBP-ONE. This app, among other things, allows asylum seekers to have their application for an ATA approved online, and assists in facilitating and scheduling flights for those pre-approved asylum-seekers.

CIS, the think tank responsible for the report that went viral, has opposed the existence of the program since it began in  2022 . The group describes itself as "low immigration, pro-immigrant" and is  classified  as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. In  March 2018 , Snopes covered a mathematically flawed analysis from CIS arguing that Trump's southern border wall would pay for itself.

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To participate, eligible beneficiaries receiving ATAs   must   "have a supporter in the United States" and "undergo and clear robust security vetting." Their supporters must agree "to provide them with financial support for the duration of their parole in the United States."  

CIS characterized the humanitarian asylum program as "Biden Parole Flights." Such a phrase is great fodder for scary social media posts, like the   one below   from former Trump aide Steven Miller's PAC, but the word parole means a specific thing in the context of immigration law that differs from its meaning in the criminal justice system.

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The Bottom Line  

A program that is neither secret nor deemed a security risk by the United States government is responsible for flying more than 320,000 vetted migrants with U.S. citizen sponsors into American airports so they can maintain residency while their claims of asylum are adjudicated.  

CIS, the Daily Mail and other derivative coverage misleadingly cast the existence of this program, which was publicly launched in 2022, as a recent discovery of Biden administration deception. These claims do not hold up to any measure of scrutiny. 

Viral Claims Allege Biden Secretly Flew 320K Migrants to American Airports in 2023. Here Are the Facts (msn.com)

Hence the lack of coverage.

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.1.3  goose is back  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.2    10 months ago
What could go wrong?
  • A Biden administration program was responsible for flying 320,000 migrants directly into the United States between January and December 2023.  (TRUE)
  • You just pointed it out!
 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @1.1.3    10 months ago
  • You just pointed it out!

...and?

Part of a government program to prequalify and vet asylum seekers before they showed up at any border

and they paid for their own airfare.

CIS used a FOIA request and then a lawsuit to find information already on the US Governments website.

Waste of time.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.4    10 months ago
Part of a government program to prequalify and vet asylum seekers before they showed up at any border

Biden granted at least 1 million 'Parole' since he has been in office.  Parole was created under a 1952 law, allows the president to admit people “only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit.”

One million or 333,333 per year or 913 per day or 130 per hour.  A federal work day is 7 hour plus two 15 min breaks and 30 min for lunch.

How many cases can one worker evaluate case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons?  Can you do 2 1/2 per day, do we have 52 Feds doing nothing but this vetting or is the vetting more on a group-by-group basis?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.2    10 months ago

Another bottom line up front:

Biden has done an end run with a law to greatly expand immigration.  Under this law, Obama used it to admit an average of 5,000 per year, Trump an average of 6,000 per year.  Biden has used it to admit:

FY 2021:   No Data Available

FY 2022:   795,561

FY 2023:   802,764 (partial total, awaiting Q4 numbers)

Is this greatly expanded increase due to a much greater urgent humanitarian crises?  Is being poor in Nicaragua a more urgent humanitarian crises than being poor in Burundi or South Sudan or a number of other African countries?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.6    10 months ago
FY 2021:   No Data Available

Well the article does say that this program did not start until 2022.

It also says that the limit was 24,000 a month but has since been raised to 30,000 per month for 2024.

What it does not say is how long it takes to get approval on line. 

Remember, these people have to have access to a computer and the means to buy air fare.

I take that to mean, not so poor that they walk from Brazil to the States.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    10 months ago
Well the article does say that this program did not start until 2022.

The law was past in the 50’s.


I take that to mean, not so poor that they walk from Brazil to the States.

Brazil?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.8    10 months ago
The law was past in the 50’s.

The parole law.  Not the Biden programs interpretation of it in 2022.

Brazil?

It's a country in SA.

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Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.10  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.9    10 months ago
It's a country in SA.

But not in Biden’s program interpretation.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.10    10 months ago

Like I said they walked here.

Do you honestly want to argue about whether Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans or Nicaraguans are more deserving?

versus letting in zero?

Maybe they are just under represented when compared to Brazilians,

I am not going to stay up and debate it.

Talk tomorrow

 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.12  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    10 months ago
It also says that the limit was 24,000 a month but has since been raised to 30,000 per month for 2024.

30,000 per month is 360,000 not the 800,000 + reported for 2023.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.12    10 months ago

The government numbers were 320,000, the same number CIS is tossing about.

Not sure where you got your numbers since there was no link.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.13    10 months ago

Thanks, I had a wrong number, as of Jan 24, the number was 357,000.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.14    10 months ago

I had a wrong number recently and a phone stalker. Turns out SiriusXM just cannot take no for an answer.

They even call from different "unavailable" numbers.

Sorry, I am not going to pay for radio in a car, least of all a car we use less than 100 miles a month

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Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.15    10 months ago

I started XM radio around 22 years ago and dropped SiruisXM around 5 years ago after to many hassles on keeping the billing straight across three cars.

I listen to NPR on the commute and albums on my phone on long drives.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.16    10 months ago

love NPR, and searching for the right station driving cross country, lol

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

Don’t worry, when the White House communications staff will doctor the language like they did for the transcript of Biden’s state of the union and they will magically change from “illegals” to 320,000 Legals

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    10 months ago

I've already seen an article today about Traitor Joe apologizing to illegals for calling them what they are - ILLEGALS.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    10 months ago

He went on to say that they built America.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    10 months ago

Mayorkas: We don't use the term illegal immigrant we call them a noncitizen to give them dignity?

 
 
 
George
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2.1.3  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    10 months ago
noncitizen

And that is what they should remain until death.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1    10 months ago

He never apologized to Laken Reilly for messing her name up the one time he deigned to mention it, nor to the border crossing agents who he lied about whipping illegal immigrants. 

he only apologized for correctly calling an illegal alien who brutally murdered a 20 year old girl an illegal.  That’s where the progressive lefts loyalty lies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  George @2.1.3    10 months ago

I only want to know what Mayorkas calls the victims.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.4    10 months ago

It's actually "Riley".

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.7  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.6    10 months ago

Really?  THAT is the problem you have with that situation?  

Who the fuck is “Lincoln Riley”?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.1    10 months ago

That's akin to Grace Slick and Starship singing "We Built This City". 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.7    10 months ago

You're the one concerned about getting her name right, aren't you?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.10  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.9    10 months ago

And thank your for proving a point.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.11  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.10    10 months ago

He got her name wrong.  You got her name wrong.  He has a speech impediment.  You had the internet at hand.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.12  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.11    10 months ago
He got her name wrong.  You got her name wrong.

And he needs to apologize to her for that.  Just like he apologized for calling an illegal an illegal.  I never got her name wrong.  

He has a speech impediment.

That pathetic excuse again.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.13  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.12    10 months ago

Ok, my bad.  I didn't see I wasn't replying to Sean now.

But Sean did get her name wrong, which is ironic, considering the context.  I don't expect anybody who displays such irrational hatred of Biden to recognize that, though.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.14  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.13    10 months ago
But Sean did get her name wrong

Which brings me to my point.  You're not paying attention.  You are so blindly adamant to point out something as petty as the spelling of a name that you are completely ignoring that the name that was spoken, was not the name of the deceased person who was killed.  

The whole purpose of this article was to highlight the problems with the illegal immigration and point out those behind it.  Instead you've made excuses.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.14    10 months ago

Her last name wasn't Reilly, either.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.13    10 months ago
ut Sean did get her name wrong, which is ironic, considering the context.

yes, I misspelled her name using a variant of Riley that I'm more familiar with. But I know her name and If I had been speaking it would have been correct. I did not  misidentify her as a football coach.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.17  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.15    10 months ago

Riley and Reilly, despite spelled differently, are both pronounced the same.  Laken and Lincoln?  There are vast differences in both spelling and pronunciation.  So where is your criticism of THAT?  Why not demand an apology for that?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.18  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.17    10 months ago

They're still not the same name, Jeremy.  If one is going to throw stones, one should check that one isn't living in a glass house.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.19  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.18    10 months ago

So you're choosing to criticize Sean for a misspelling instead of criticizing Biden for saying the wrong persons name.  I can't say I'm surprised.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.1.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.19    10 months ago

I said Biden got the name wrong.  That does not negate the fact that Sean got the name wrong, too.

I'd never have said anything about it if Sean hadn't spelled the name wrong while critcizing Biden for getting the name wrong.

I found that to be amusing.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.2  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    10 months ago

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cjcold
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2.3  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    10 months ago

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Vic Eldred
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3  Vic Eldred    10 months ago

There will be a special Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on the threats coming out of the border crisis today at 2:30.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    10 months ago

I expect a lot of bullshit from Democrats justifying their stance on their open border.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.1    10 months ago

We've gone from "it's a fallacy" to "we need the workers."

 
 
 
George
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3.1.2  George  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    10 months ago

End welfare in all areas as long as jobs are available. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.1.3  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  George @3.1.2    10 months ago

Georgia sanctuary cities could lose taxpayer funding under new bill passed after Laken Riley murder

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    10 months ago

Where did your border crisis parents come from?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @3.2    10 months ago

?

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.3  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @3    10 months ago

removed as duplicate post, no violation by charger

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4  Ed-NavDoc    10 months ago

Seems our leftist liberal NT members are shying away from this article as well. What a surprise.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    10 months ago

On here they tried to make a point: that being: that if a health young man can get a name wrong it excuses an 81-year-old from the same error. Of course, that would never apply if the 81-year-old was constantly in a state of confusion AND running for president of the United States.

 
 
 
charger 383
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5  charger 383    10 months ago

I still call them feral cats

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @5    10 months ago

Yep.

 
 
 
Dig
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6  Dig    10 months ago

What a knee-jerk orgy of stupidity.

These people are not illegals.

  • They have been granted Advance Travel Authorization from the CBP, and have been authorized short term residency for up to two years while their asylum cases are adjudicated.
  • They are vetted and must have a sponsor within the US who agrees to provide for them.
  • They can apply for work authorization while they're here.
  • They can't vote, and will be deported if the two year period ends without asylum being granted.
  • The program is not a secret.

Here's a fact check article by Snopes with an explanation of the program, including why it came to be in the first place:

Did Biden Secretly Fly 320K Unvetted Migrants to American Airports in 2023?

Read it. Seriously.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @6    10 months ago

And I'm sure you can verify EVERY SINGLE ONE have been vetted and "relocated" in the US (customs documentation and proper visas filled and issued).  

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.1  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1    10 months ago

I don't know if there are visas, but they and their sponsors have to be registered with the program and CBP. They are not people who have just snuck in. They are known entities who are authorized to be here for a short period. If they find work they will be contributing to the economy, and will pay taxes on any earnings and purchases they make while here. They will be deported if a court doesn't agree with their asylum claim.

Seriously, what's the problem?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Dig @6.1.1    10 months ago

The problem???  The "Law" doesn't allow them into the U.S. until they are required to appear before an immigration judge.

The 320K folks ain't gonna do that.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.3  Dig  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.2    10 months ago

No offence, but can you read? The ATA program grants them temporary residence.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Dig @6.1.3    10 months ago
An individual who is paroled into the United States has not been formally admitted into the United States for purposes of immigration law.

Read the law Dig - they HAVE NOT BEEN FORMALLY ADMITTED FOR PURPOSES OF IMMIGRATION LAW.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.5  Dig  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.4    10 months ago

What do you think you're showing me there? The whole point of asylum is to allow people to stay here while their court cases are ongoing, but they're not being granted formal, permanent residency.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.6  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @6.1.1    10 months ago
I don't know if there are visas, but they and their sponsors have to be registered with the program and CBP.

So as far as you know they are here ILLEGALLY.  Which is where the problem starts.

If they find work they will be contributing to the economy, and will pay taxes on any earnings and purchases they make while here. They will be deported if a court doesn't agree with their asylum claim.

And you are actually gullible enough to believe all that.  

Seriously, what's the problem?

The problem is that they SHOULD NOT BE HERE.  It's that simple.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  Dig @6.1.1    10 months ago

You are sadly mistaken if you think illegals are deported once they reach the interior of the country by the Brandon administration.

Migrants won’t make this journey unless they expect to be able to enter and stay in the United States; Biden’s administration has made this exceptionally likely. It has   released more than 2.3 million   illegal border crossers into the country, a number that would be much larger if   Title 42   had been terminated at the beginning of the Biden presidency instead of several years later.  

In addition, the administration has virtually eliminated illegal crossers’ risk of being deported from the interior of the country. They are home free when they reach the interior, unless they commit a serious crime.  

In fact, Department of Homeland Security Secretary   Alejandro Mayorkas’s   September 2021   Guidelines for the Enforcement of Civil Immigration Law   exempts migrants who just have unlawful status from enforcement proceedings. According to Mayorkas, “The fact an individual is a removable noncitizen will not alone be the basis of an enforcement action against them.”  

This encourages undocumented migrants to keep making illegal crossings until they succeed in reaching the interior of the country. 

Moreover, the   ICE Annual Report for Fiscal 2023   indicates that Mayorkas has been quite successful at ensuring compliance with his enforcement guidelines. 

In fiscal 2023, ICE’s Office of Enforcement and Removal Operations ( ERO ) managed the cases of more than 6.2 million immigrants who were in removal proceedings or subject to final orders of removal. Although 1,292,830 of them were subject to final orders of removal, ERO only removed 142,580 of them, indicating that the danger of being deported is minimal even for migrants who are subject to final deportation orders.  

What’s more, only 44,255 of the 142,580 removals were from the interior of the country. This included 34,193 migrants with criminal convictions, 7,522 with pending criminal charges, and 2,540 who were deportable for violating civil immigration laws. 

In other words, only 5.7 percent of ICE’s 44,255 removals from the interior of the country did not have criminal convictions or pending criminal charges, and unless the Mayorkas enforcement guidelines were being violated, none of them was just here in unlawful status. 

It won’t be possible to deport the migrants the administration has released into the country who do not establish a lawful basis for remaining.  

Brandon isn't enforcing US immigration laws- which is a huge problem and encourages more illegals to attempt, and keep attempting, entry to the US until they get in.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.8  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.6    10 months ago
So as far as you know they are here ILLEGALLY.

Illegals are people who are here without authorization. The people your seed is about are not here illegally. They have not just snuck in.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.9  Dig  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.7    10 months ago

I agree that people lacking legal authorization to be here should be expelled, but the info you posted is not about the ATA program that this seed is about.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.10  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @6.1.8    10 months ago

And you have yet to prove they had the "legal authorization" to be here.  

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.11  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.10    10 months ago

People who are granted parole have authorization to be here. That's what the parole status is.

What kind of 'proof' are you looking for?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.1.12  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @6.1.11    10 months ago

More than you talking.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.1.13  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6.1.12    10 months ago

It's like you're being dense on purpose.

From the 'What is Parole' section of this page at USCIS:

Parole allows an individual, who may be inadmissible or otherwise ineligible for admission into the United States, to be paroled into the United States for a temporary period.

That's what authorizes people to be here legally, albeit temporarily.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Dig @6.1.13    10 months ago

Thank you Dig

although certain things ARE  hopelessly thankless.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Dig @6    10 months ago

You are up against what is known as aggressive ignorance

Aggressive ignorance defiantly shoves its utter lack of knowledge in your face and brays:  Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!” The End of Aggressive Ignorance? - In These Times

Aggressive ignorance is people who dont know what they are talking about but insist on constantly talking about it anyway.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    10 months ago

A perfect description of [deleted leftists.]

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6    10 months ago

Biden granted at least 1 million 'Parole' since he has been in office.  Parole was created under a 1952 law, allows the president to admit people “only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit.”

One million or 333,333 per year or 913 per day and they or in a case-by-case basis, sure.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.1  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3    10 months ago

Parole simply means they are allowed to stay here while their cases are being decided. As far as I know there's nothing nefarious about it. If it's part of the law, then it's part of the law, right?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.1    10 months ago
If it's part of the law, then it's part of the law, right?

Yes, I'm poking at the case-by-case basis.  It would take a large Team to carefully consider 913 cases per day or 130 per hour (8 hour fed work day with two 15 min breaks and 30 minute lunch.  How many case files can you carefully consider in one hour?

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.3  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.2    10 months ago

Ah. I hear you. I suppose if they're setting up cases and court dates for all of them, then they're apparently getting it done. I mean, people have to be seen by someone to get their cases started before receiving parole, right? 

Whatever the case, I imagine the process is lawful. Considering all the courts and judges involved. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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6.3.4  charger 383  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.2    10 months ago

To stamp denied 5 minutes,  for approval to stay for a short period it should take a long time to do a very thorough  check   

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.3.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Dig @6.3.3    10 months ago

Betcha a dollar to a donut that it is FAR from being lawful.

Ya really wanna know some stuff 'bout immigration and the law, read some of 8 U.S.C. - Aliens and Nationality.

That'll set your mind to doing some serious wondering 'bout "who's" following the law.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.3.6  1stwarrior  replied to  Dig @6.3.1    10 months ago

Parole is based on the individual having been "vetted and cleared" for temp residency.  Those people have NOT been vetted - but the mighty "D" admin obviously "cleared" them - and gave them plane tickets plus other freebees.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.3.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Dig @6.3.1    10 months ago

Strongly recommend you review and read

Humanitarian or Significant Public Benefit Parole for Individuals Outside the United States

An individual who is paroled into the United States has not been formally admitted into the United States for purposes of immigration law.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.8  Dig  replied to  1stwarrior @6.3.5    10 months ago
Betcha a dollar to a donut that it is FAR from being lawful.

Got any evidence of that? If it's all so unlawful, then there should be a whole slew of lawsuits being brought, and they should be winning in court. I haven't heard of anything like that going on.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.8    10 months ago
If it's all so unlawful, then there should be a whole slew of lawsuits being brought, and they should be winning in court. I haven't heard of anything like that going on.

The was a lawsuit, last Fri a federal judge found “The Court finds that Plaintiffs have not proven that Texas has suffered an injury and therefore do not have standing to maintain this suit.”

Texas and 20 other states had argued that the Biden administration unlawfully expanded the authority without consulting Congress or considering the impact on U.S. states that absorb the newcomers.

Standing is a high bar when trying to take the Feds to court.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.10  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.9    10 months ago

I wouldn't mind reading about that, if you have a link. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.10    10 months ago

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.12  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.11    10 months ago

I'm not a subscriber and WAPO is paywalled.

I found this at CBS. Is it the same story? It's about a Texas lawsuit, but no mention of 20 other states, so maybe not.

If it is the same, that sounds exactly like the ATA program this seed is about.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.12    10 months ago
I'm not a subscriber and WAPO is paywalled

Sorry, didn’t think of that.

The CBS article is about the same case.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.14  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.13    10 months ago

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing that one get argued, but I tend to agree that no state is harmed in the case of this particular program.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.14    10 months ago

Don’t know, there has been a lot of whining from NY, Illinois, Colorado and DC.

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.16  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.15    10 months ago

Because of people using this advance travel authorization who have a sponsor (extended family, maybe) and a place to go? 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.17  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.16    10 months ago

Do they quickly lose their status if the sponsor doesn’t come through?

Can DHS even verify a sponsor’s ability to support for this number of applicants?

 
 
 
Dig
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6.3.18  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.17    10 months ago

It's not like I've done a doctoral thesis on it or anything, but I would imagine so, on both accounts.

the government only authorizes parolees who can prove they have a sponsor capable and willing to financially support them.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.19  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @6.3.18    10 months ago
It's not like I've done a doctoral thesis on it

No shit?

but I would imagine so, on both accounts.

How much manpower do you imagine that takes?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.3.20  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.19    10 months ago

I don't know.

When I was an IRS temp I had to read/scan at least 40 short tax forms an hour and scan them forward to collections, refunds or a supervisor for review.  That was almost 55 years ago.  Now they do them online often within 24 hours with no human input.

The IRS then has three years to audit and longer to arrest your butt if necessary.

I am pretty sure the CBP and other agencies with computers can discern who qualifies and who doesn't fairly quickly, in fact they are supposed to do so before granting these peeps permission to buy airline tickets and board at the POD or deplane at the POA where they are greeted by the CBP.

It's not rocket science or a day at the draft board in the late 60's.

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Drinker of the Wry
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6.3.21  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @6.3.20    10 months ago

Exactly, while those workers in the Obama administration could only approve 5,000 applications per year, Biden’s can approve 333,333 per year with the same do diligence.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.3.22  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.3.21    10 months ago

C'mon man, you are pushing a narrative that it's only humanly possible to vet 5,000 applicants

without any knowledge of how many government employees were involved then vs now.

Maybe 5,000 was all that Bush and Obama could stomach, regardless of the vetting process?

It's an empty argument without all of the facts.

What is true is that CIS lied about 4 of the 5 features/facts of the program which drove this article.

 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC    10 months ago

Well, with this, we know these illegals weren't sent to the normal Sanctuary Shitholes (NYC, Chicago, Martha's Vineyard, etc.).  If they were sent to these locations their idiot democrat mayors would have been on everybody's TV crying and asking for federal money because they can't support their promises.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7    10 months ago

The people in this program are not illegals.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Dig @7.1    10 months ago

Still don't need them here.  

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.2  Dig  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.1    10 months ago

That's awfully callous of you. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.1.3  charger 383  replied to  Dig @7.1.2    10 months ago

Not very much just trying to protect my interests and what is best for my country

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.4  Dig  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.3    10 months ago

You know we're not talking about people sneaking across the border here, right?  These people are going through a legal process.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.1    10 months ago

Semantics games for folks that look like they live nowhere on or near the Mexican border and have no real clue about what the legal residents down here are going through when their property is trespassed on by illegals.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @7.1.4    10 months ago
These people are going through a legal process.

Depends on how you define case-by-cases basis, not group-by-group basis.  Does being poor constitute "urgent humanitarian reasons"?  If so, the are a huge number of Africans that the President has left out.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7.1.7  1stwarrior  replied to  Dig @7.1    10 months ago

Read 6.3.5 - betcha they are still "Illegals" based on the laws passed by Congress - not the President.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.1.8  charger 383  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.3    10 months ago

Still don't need them, 

Has the EPA done an environmental impact study on effect of letting more and more people into our country?  Climate Change, they say. is caused by people so letting more in will make our country's numbers on that worse.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7.1.9  1stwarrior  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.6    10 months ago

Not to mention the 556,380 U.S. citizens who are presently homeless.

Wonder why this admin won't give OUR homeless the same considerations it gives ILLEGAL ALIENS???? 

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.10  Dig  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.5    10 months ago

This article isn't about people crossing at the border.

 
 
 
charger 383
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7.1.11  charger 383  replied to  Dig @7.1.10    10 months ago

They were flown over and the taxpayers got the bill.  

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.12  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.6    10 months ago
Does being poor constitute "urgent humanitarian reasons"?

Again, I hear you. Not long ago I read that many asylum seekers are being denied and sent back. Probably because of weak claims like that.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.13  Dig  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.11    10 months ago
They were flown over and the taxpayers got the bill.  

I'm not sure about that. The Snopes article doesn't address it, but I think I read somewhere before that they or their sponsors are required to pay their way, including for the flight. Not positive about that, though. Could be wrong.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @7.1.12    10 months ago

ICE deported 142,000, in 2023, 775,000 applied for asylum or ‘immigration pardon’.  Unknown how many crossed an evaded detection.  If it was as low as 225,000, then a deportation rate of 14%.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.16  Dig  replied to  Dig @7.1.13    10 months ago
I think I read somewhere before that they or their sponsors are required to pay their way, including for the flight.

I found something on that.

VERIFYING 4 claims about the Biden administration’s migrant flights

No, the government does not pay for the migrants’ flights.

Once someone is granted an appointment with a CBP agent in the U.S. and receives authorization to travel, they are responsible for the cost of travel to the United States. This authorization does not guarantee an applicant will get to stay in the country once they arrive; a CBP officer could choose to deny the migrant parole after their appointment at an official port of entry — in this case, the airport.

Additionally, the government only authorizes parolees who can prove they have a sponsor capable and willing to financially support them. 

***

So, no. It doesn't look like the taxpayers are on the hook for the flights.

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.17  Dig  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.1.15    10 months ago

I wouldn't imagine all the cases from 2023 (or even earlier) have wrapped up yet. There may be many more deportations to come.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.1.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dig @7.1.17    10 months ago

I’m sure that very few of those deported in 23 also arrived in 23.  Adjudication takes an average of 4.3 years.  If your request is denied, you can appeal two times.  If lose those and are scheduled for deportation, you can appeal that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.19  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @7.1    10 months ago

[deleted]

[As the seeder/author of the article your obligation is to promote 'thoughtful conversation']

[not to be belligerent.]

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.20  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.19    10 months ago

Prove what? That the people in this program are not illegals? Are you kidding me? Do you not understand who the illegals are? They're the ones who are here without authorization, not the ones who have received authorization.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.21  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dig @7.1.20    10 months ago
[deleted]

[please refer back to 7.1.19]

 
 
 
Dig
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7.1.23  Dig  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.21    10 months ago

See 6.1.13

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.24  seeder  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.19    10 months ago

@Split Personality

As the seeder/author of the article

Just as everybody has an obligation to back up their claims.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.25  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dig @7.1.10    10 months ago

They are crossing the border either way.

 
 
 
evilone
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9  evilone    10 months ago

I thought you guys were okay with "legal immigration"? What's all this bitching about now?

 
 
 
charger 383
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9.2  charger 383  replied to  evilone @9    10 months ago

I'm not OK with any immigration at all, we have more than enough problems of our own.

 
 
 
evilone
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9.2.1  evilone  replied to  charger 383 @9.2    10 months ago
I'm not OK with any immigration at all, we have more than enough problems of our own.

I get it, but it's an unrealistic position to expect any admin to take. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10  Vic Eldred    10 months ago

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Biden Wants $13 Billion from Congress for Migrants and Sanctuary Cities

 
 
 
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