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The Fracturing of Democracy - A Chronicle of Continuing Trauma.

  
By:  Thomas  •  History  •  last year  •  119 comments

The Fracturing of Democracy - A Chronicle of Continuing Trauma.
Saturday, April 19th Find a Rally--Stand Together, Stand Out, Stand Up

The Constitution only holds when people follow the instructions within.

Trump desires to be king, so he deals in not merely bad faith but unfaith, or maybe anti-faith.

According to the Trump Regime the Constitution of the United States is a code to get around, not to be followed.

This is precisely what is wrong with the entire Trump Administration: They do not wish to follow the Constitution, they wish to destroy it through the process of making the words which one meant something mean whatever they desire at the moment. Trump wants to be an autocrat, and he has emplaced the people around him in order to do just that. 

We need to stop him, stop his administration from achieving these objectives NOW. Go out and raise your voices. I am afraid that just waving a sign around will not work. But for the love of America, Don't be violent. Do be Peaceful. Do Resist. Do be Proud. Do be Persistent.  Remember, we the people have more power when we are united. 

So Show Up. Put your presence out there, and be proud that you are fighting the autocratic urges of a yet to be Dictator. 

Let's get into some good trouble.

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Thomas
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1  author  Thomas    last year

I am attending a local event. I urge everyone who respects the rule of law and their due process rights to do the same. 

As always, Peace and Thank You!

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @1    last year

I can no longer trust myself around any potential maga counter protesters. besides, my attendance is required at a funeral this afternoon and it's too fucking cold outside. the only reason for me to go to this protest would be if maga turned violent at it ...

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.1  CB  replied to  devangelical @1.1    last year

It's okay, friend. Now, for the record, these "Hands Off!" protests are not known for generating counter-protests. It's just positive people expressing their rejection of abuse from this president and his entourages.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.2  author  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @1.1    last year

This was basically a visibility or 'Honk and Wave' event. 

I can no longer trust myself around any potential maga counter protesters. besides, my attendance is required at a funeral this afternoon and it's too fucking cold outside. the only reason for me to go to this protest would be if maga turned violent at it ...

There were no counter protestors that I noticed at the event. There were some vehicles with Trump paraphernalia, giant flags, who kept driving around trying to get a rise out of us. The proper thing to do, I think, in the instance of somebody acting aggressively is to say, "We love You!" loudly and with feeling. It can disarm them, or at least show who the aggressor is in the situation. I used this technique several times today, and even if I was the only one who heard it, at least it kept me calm. 

I do realize that this runs counter to your instincts. 

At least half of the cars honked, some very enthusiastically, most of the people in the cars waved (only a few with one finger), which I think is fairly consistent with the polling. 

Donald Trump and his administration are attempting to destroy the legitimacy of the Constitution. People who are against this redefining of Democracy need to DoSomething, need to Make it known that they are doing something. Stand up. Stand out, but don't stand by. There are other things that you can do that are not forward facing. Contact a local organizer. If you need help, pm me and I will do what I can to direct your disaffection in a positive direction. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.3  CB  replied to  Thomas @1.1.2    last year

That is what our last event was about. It was overwhelmingly positive. There was not a harden face in the crowd that I could discern. Just passing cars and horns 'galore' sounds with waves of support from drivers. Of  course, we were 'throngs' lining the sidewalk. We have no event scheduled today. But I am open to the next positive event. 

That said, I do remember some cars that pulled up to the traffic stops and waited, without looking to the sides and without sounding a horn. . .but, that was okay. . . we knew it must have caught them off-guard to come down that main 'drag' and see so many positive people peacefully gathered in throngs.

Donald Trump is attempting to take us back into a 'strange' place for the people of this country. We must do more than we can to see that it not be so. RESIST!

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.4  author  Thomas  replied to  CB @1.1.3    last year
we knew it must have caught them off-guard to come down that main 'drag' and see so many positive people peacefully gathered in throngs

Yes, who can imagine people being positive? /s

We, as a group that wishes to change the direction that the country is headed, must not only do something, we must do multiples of things, all at once. As an individual it would be seemingly impossible. As a group we can do it because of the diversity of abilities empaneled within our group.

Stand Up. Stand Out. Do NOT Stand By! 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.5  CB  replied to  Thomas @1.1.4    last year

There will be no elites in charge before there will be 'all' elites in charge. Work stoppages may be needed.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @1.1.2    last year

I did see people up on some of the overpasses on the way to the cemetery. I honked in solidarity ...

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.7  CB  replied to  devangelical @1.1.6    last year

Believe it, that 'honk in solidarity' meant the world to those standing there. The message behind it signifies that if you could be there standing on the overpass- you would. Do not underestimate the power of support for it comes in many forms, shapes, and sizes! :)

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.8  devangelical  replied to  CB @1.1.7    last year

yeah well, I live in a blue state, so there's no chance of seeing any neo-nazis or klansmen for doing drive-bys ... /s

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @1.1.2    last year
direct your disaffection in a positive direction

I'm at the pistol range twice a week and I'm looking forward to defending the constitution from domestic enemies ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.10  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1.9    last year

the kid that runs the range I go to in the morning wanted to know why I use plain copy paper with dog-eared corners as targets, so I added some yellow highlighter scribble to the top of one sheet ...

 
 
 
devangelical
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2  devangelical    last year

it's the US constitution or trump. there is no gray area for any american patriot, nor is there a choice ...

 
 
 
CB
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3  CB    last year

I think people are starting to take it to heart. It's all too much. Looking forward to a rally if one is available near me. :)

 
 
 
Thomas
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4  author  Thomas    last year

Protect Your Rights!

Exercise them! 

Peacefully gather to protest the insidious removal of rights from people. Free Speech and Due Process are imperilled by the Trump Administration.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    last year

I think the resistance is moving in the right direction. Lets hope it is the shortest path possible. 

 
 
 
CB
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6  CB    last year

Bob Marley - Get Up, Stand Up (Live at Munich, 1980)

 
 
 
Thomas
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6.1  author  Thomas  replied to  CB @6    last year

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CB
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7  CB    last year

Go! Do something positive in protest today! Stand up for your rights, before they are gone. And . . . gone to whom?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8  Greg Jones    last year

"Donald Trump and his administration are attempting to destroy the legitimacy of the Constitution."

Not true, and you know it's not. Protest all day long if it helps dissipate the frustration. Trump is testing the limits of his presidential powers and expected resistance and losing a few Constitutional legal decisions along the way. His goal is to begin to transform America in a positive way, and nothing can really stop him.

If the progressives want to stop what Trump and a Republican Congress are doing, they better get off the streets and stop useless protests and filing nuisance lawsuits. The Dems really need to step back and take a close look at what a wide and diverse electorate tried to tell them last November. That their "values", ideology, and progressive agenda has been soundly rejected

Right now the left is powerless, leaderless, and way too progressive. They seem to be on the wrong side of every 80/20 issue. Time for a lot of self-reflection and useful action

 
 
 
Thomas
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8.1  author  Thomas  replied to  Greg Jones @8    last year
Not true, and you know it's not.  Protest all day long if it helps dissipate the frustration. Trump is testing the limits of his presidential powers and expected resistance and losing a few Constitutional legal decisions along the way. His goal is to begin to transform America in a positive way, and nothing can really stop him.

I absolutely do not know that. Trump is pushing as far and as fast as he can in an attempt to usurp all the power that is not his. This "Unitary Executive Theory of the Presidency" is full of shit, because it would leave the president without checks on his power. He is hoping for a nation of followers who do not question his authority. His goal is to remove the rights of the people whom he differs in opinion with. His goal is to stifle free speech EVERYWHERE. 

He does not want a free country, he wants an country to kiss his ass and thank him for the privilege. If the people don't kiss his ass and are not obsequiously servile and deferential, his new motto just might be: Due Process: Get in the van!

I think there are quite a few people out there who are saying right about now, "Hey. I didn't vote for this shit." 

This is not just a movement from the left. There are many people who may have voted for Trump who are waking up and seeing the direction that the country is going and saying, 'Stop!" because they realize that the bill of goods that they thought they were getting does not match the receipt.

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.1  CB  replied to  Thomas @8.1    last year

George Washington warned against this, and acted to not 'install' himself as king. After FDR the country recognized this and agreed to the 22nd Amendment against 'rulership' by one over the country. Now we see MAGA unashamed of attempting to control the hearts and minds of a free nation by demonizing and otherizing good people all in the name of power for its worldview. In the process connecting this country's government to the some villainous characters and raw power achievers and holders of the 21st century. We have no choice. The good people of this country must not be overran but stand up. Get knocked down: Stand up AGAIN!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thomas @8.1    last year

testing limits of Presidential power??? (from your blockquote)

No president should ever do that!

Transform America to something more postive???? Tyranny is not POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe some people here want to live under a dictator but I sure as hell don't. I won't sit down quietly, either.

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.3  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.2    last year

MAGAs do not wish to live under a dictator and tyrant. They presume they will be free folks while others will be 'canned' and 'preserved' again in their political cages out of mind, power, and influence. BTW, let's get one more thing out in the open:

MAGA has every intention of keeping Trump for a third term and MORE. That is, their 'threat' to this democracy is Trump won't leave office until they say so. (I don't know what they think the 'rest' of us will be doing while they attempt to OPPRESS us.)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @8.1.3    last year
MAGAs do not wish to live under a dictator and tyrant.

They're not gonna get their wish. We're all in this together!

Unless trmp forms some kind of organization that keeps its members from being persecuted...and they all wear the same uniform

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.5  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1.4    last year

This is why we must push back steadily. They will try by hook or crook, by giggles and pushes, to take our democracy from us. The lie today is Trump wants, just wants, a third term (and they will 'nudge' the public to let him have it). It's a lie, its subterfuge, he does not plan on leaving office unless he is shown no way to stay there. 

Let Trump break the rule of law once-by legal or absence of legal means-and he will challenge why we have to have a 'rule' at all. 

We must do our part to not let people play games with our heads. MAGA is not playing games. If we let them they will gradually consume this country - whole. Outcome: White Christian Nationalism. There is a reason (a plan) for why they have attached their brand to the White race, the flag, the pledge of allegiance, and the Church. They see this country as theirs, and secularists, democrats, Others as second-class citizens. I repeat, they do not value 'us.' 

We must call it out now.

 
 
 
CB
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8.2  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @8    last year

Greg, not all democrats are progressives. So this 'message' is only for a select percentage of readers. The rest of us KNOW what we are 'in this for" and it has more to do with what is right and diverse for all the citizenry.

MAGA can go on and on with this image, more of a façade, of it being 'the Force' that flattens all opposition. . . but democrats are not so clueless that we do not under the pendulum swings of the U.S. citizenship, or its voting masses.

That power that you and MAGA feel can be persuaded to 'drop' or dissipate in a variety of ways. . . overreach is one. The two other branches of government seeing the pain, suffering, and yes misery of the faces of their love ones is another. Finally, if all else fails, the 'jarring' reality that this country can not operate if its people simply refuse to participate will rapidly get Washington's attention, because we are a country that can not afford the high cost of national protests for long.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.3  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @8    last year
Not true, and you know it's not.

I think there are many people who would disagree with you.

Trump is testing the limits of his presidential powers and expected resistance and losing a few Constitutional legal decisions along the way.

True, can you name a President who hasn't?  The difference here is that most POTUS', even Trump in the first term, surrounded themselves with government veterans and constitutional lawyers that kept him in check as they should have.  Now he has no friction or pushback to stop running his mouth or going completely and obviously out of bounds on Truth Social or at the WH.

SCOTUS just issued orders to collect Garcia and bring him back, stop all other planned flights to the prison in El Salvador and review the use of the war time law used to justify this recklessness.

Your opinions on the Dems, progressives are yours to repeat as often as you can still foolishly type them over and over here.

That their "values", ideology, and progressive agenda has been soundly rejected

It was an election between two horrible candidates, one of whom would never have damaged the national economy or international reputation of this great country and another whom acted like PT Barnum selling cheap dreams and hope and we had no idea that unchecked, he would alienate allies, suck up to decades old enemies, knock trillions of dollars of USA wealth out of the stock market and twice as much  (or more ) globally with these stupid tarrifs, all the while insisting that China et al will be paying them instead of you and I.

Be fucking honest for once; if Harris or any other Democrat had done any of this, you would be apoplectic and out there protesting every frigging weekend too.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @8.3    last year

But I have no illusion about the outcome of this conversation.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @8.3.1    last year

Your last sentence will be ignored

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.3.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @8.3    last year
Now he has no friction or pushback to stop running his mouth or going completely and obviously out of bounds on Truth Social or at the WH.

Oh, is he saying mean things again?

SCOTUS just issued orders to collect Garcia and bring him back,

They ordered to FACILITATE his return. Chris Van Hollen went to El Salvador. He returned without Garcia. Why? Because Garcia's home country said "No". All required parts of the order have been met.

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Sean Treacy
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8.3.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @8.3    last year

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Thomas
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8.3.5  author  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.3.4    last year
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Didn't think so.

We love you and respect your rights anyway.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9  arkpdx    last year

Seems to made that the left tolerates and encourages insurrection as long as it it their members that are engaged in it. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9    last year

wait until you see what happens to maga cult members that support trump's violation of the constitution ...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @9.1    last year

Tell me. Just when and how has Trump violated the constitution. Be specific. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.2  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.1    last year

be serious ...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.3  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @9.1.2    last year

I am being serious. Seeing what your response was I doubt if you have nothing. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.4  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.3    last year

does the due process issue ring any bells?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @9.1    last year

MAGA ites forget that democrats own guns, too

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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9.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1.5    last year
AGA ites forget that democrats own guns, too

People on this board are well aware some progressives fantasize constantly about killing people they disagree with. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @9.1    last year
violation of the constitution

Exactly where is that happening?

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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9.1.8  afrayedknot  replied to  devangelical @9.1.4    last year

“…due process…”

Soon to join their warped lexicon when words like diversity, equity, inclusion, empathy, education, justice, science, etc.,etc. become impediments to their ability to reason in their blind, blank, and blatant ignorance and allegiance. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.7    last year

what do you think my chances are in explaining it to somebody that spent their entire military career unaware of the meaning of the first thing they did when they enlisted in the service?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @9.1.9    last year
what do you think my chances are in explaining it to somebody that spent their entire military career unaware of the meaning of the first thing they did when they enlisted in the service?

So you CAN'T show where this is happening.  And in your failing to back up your claim you sadly try to make it something personal.  

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.11  CB  replied to  afrayedknot @9.1.8    last year

Oh yes, self-righteous MAGAs want due process, surely they do—for themselves. 'Others' are considered second-class citizens who can have this country's dregs.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @9.1.11    last year
second-class citizens who can have this country's dregs.

For the most part, it is exactly what we have from other countries in the not-too-distant past. I guess we decided on in-kind treatment.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.13  CB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.12    last year

Well, Native Americans were home here before any of 'us' arrived. So it seems all of us are suspect. Which brings me to my point: Self-righteous MAGAS want due process-selfishly.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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9.1.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.10    last year
So you CAN'T show where this is happening.  And in your failing to back up your claim you sadly try to make it something personal.  

The claim is ridiculous.  Everyone knows if it were true all the politicians on the left would be clamoring for an impeachment and Schiff would be on TV saying he has proof that he will never show.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @9.1.14    last year
The claim is ridiculous.

Precisely why it's being called out.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.10    last year

I'd be disappointed if maga vets didn't attempt to cherry pick the constitution too ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.17  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @9.1.16    last year

Apparently you don't know any real vets.

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.18  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.17    last year

I don't equate real american veterans with ideologically challenged maga vets ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @9.1.18    last year

So, no you don't know any.  If you did, you would know that that childish little label you put on them doesn't exist among veterans.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.20  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.19    last year
If you did, you would know that that childish little label you put on them doesn't exist among veterans.  

What that shows is how much many on the left hate any kind of law enforcement, and that includes the military.

They have no idea who is "maga', whatever that is, and who are the leftists because during my 20 year career, I never asked, nor was I ever asked what my political affiliation was. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  bugsy @9.1.20    last year
They have no idea who is "maga', whatever that is, and who are the leftists because during my 20 year career, I never asked, nor was I ever asked what my political affiliation was. 

The ONLY time I hear or see "maga" is coming from the whining little people on the left when they have absolutely no argument to make.  It's a childish attempt to insult somebody.  

 I never asked, nor was I ever asked what my political affiliation was. 

Nor in my career.  We had far more important things going on

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.22  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.21    last year

Like you, I was more concerned with making it back home to my family...and to ensure my shipmates did the same....all of them.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.23  CB  replied to  bugsy @9.1.20    last year

"Law enforcement" is a curious turn of phrase. For it has been used to stifle, imprison, do bodily harm, and conspire to kill non-Whites in this country. As well as all Americans. . . that can read books. . . knows. 

If one does not know it; don't try to teach it. Because, a lie, by its nature will reveal itself as such.

And no, law enforcement, generally does not include the regular military which is forbidden to operate militarily inside this country. So don't try to sneak that 'line' into the stream-of-consciousness. 

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.24  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.21    last year

Again, the military is above and the constitution may require the armed forces to remain above political party bull-crap. We're all safer if it stays that way. 

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.25  CB  replied to  bugsy @9.1.22    last year
"All of them." 

That is absolutely great. The way it ought to be! The way the services work hard to 'equip' the minds of its servicemen and servicewomen. May our grand 'thought' in the services never be condensed down to a messy 'pile' of tribalistic tools to be defeated. Our unity is our strengfh!

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.26  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @9.1.4    last year

Again you can not give any specific cases even though that is what was requested. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.27  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.11    last year

Please give examples of those that have new treated as second class citizens. I will wait. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.28  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.19    last year
So, no you don't know any.

I don't know any that have chosen to opt out of their oath to defend the constitution by supporting trump ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1.29  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @9.1.9    last year

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.30  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.26    last year

what good would that do?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.31  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @9.1.30    last year

It would make your statements more believable and credible with a bit of proof and evidence instead if just making wild accusations. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.32  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.31    last year

the opinions of trump supporters regarding my credibility are meaningless to me ...

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.33  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.27    last year

That sentence is constructed kind of funny (yes, I get that I do something like that too); please clarify and I will reply. And yes, I'll wait.  :)

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.34  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.33    last year

Please give examples of those that have been treated as second class citizens

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.35  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.34    last year

Transsexuals serving in the military. Trump is tossing them out helter-skelter style just as soon as he can get the highest court to let him treat them like second-class citizens in their home . Transsexuals work. Transsexuals serve us. And, Trump does not like that one bit, apparently. Why is MAGA so afraid of transsexual men and women having jobs, careers, working along side of other government hires, and being self-reliant? Tell us your thoughts on it. Please proceed. . . . 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.36  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.35    last year

Transsexuals are mentally Ill and the mentally ill have been banned from the military for ever. Trans people comprise only 0.02%of military personnel so why are you so concerned. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.37  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.6    last year
People on this board are well aware some progressives fantasize constantly about killing people they disagree with.

only some of those people, mainly the ones that won't compromise ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
9.1.38  devangelical  replied to  CB @9.1.33    last year
That sentence is constructed kind of funny

you should be used to reading some of the unstructured and misspelled gibberish here by now ...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.1.39  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  CB @9.1.35    last year
Why is MAGA so afraid of transsexual men and women having jobs, careers, working along side of other government hires, and being self-reliant?

Because they see it as just one more erosion of their white Christian culture that has been forced to "normalize" homosexuality by not being allowed to punch them in the face or use the term as a derogatory punch line for fear of being outed as a bigot. At least with the transgender issue they can still claim some fantasy "harm" because of the supposed bathroom issues and the fairness in sports competition. There isn't any proof it's a mental illness and in fact, "Mental health professionals generally do not consider transgenderism a mental illness. While some may experience gender dysphoria, which is a recognized mental health condition involving distress related to gender incongruence, being transgender itself is not a disorder.".

But that doesn't matter to religious conservatives who have been taught that such behavior was a sin worthy of damning a soul to eternal torment, so they certainly don't want to be seen as normalizing such behavior in society or just accepting that kind of behavior in one of their own children. Instead, they believe coming down on any child exhibiting such red flags with the full force of Jesus and the Church and they describe in gory detail how their God feels about such feelings and what will happen to them if they choose to act on those feeling contrary to how God wants them to live.

That is why MAGA is "so afraid of transsexual men and women having jobs, careers, working along side of other government hires, and being self-reliant". It normalizes a behavior they have been taught is a sin and is worthy of eternal torment. They imagine themselves as saviors of others by trying to "fix" the broken people who are damned to eternal torment without them. It's why they don't even see how insidious and vile their attempts to inject their religion into our laws, schools, courts and government is, they don't see the lgtbq community as real valid people, they're just sinners that need to either be "saved" or eventually destroyed.

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.40  devangelical  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.39    last year

what is it about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that fucking thumpers don't understand? let alone freedom of/from religion ...

< .00001% of the population lives a lifestyle considered a mental illness by < 30% of the population that believe in an omnipotent being that they cannot prove exists, and that allegedly has created the very humans these pious followers find too objectionable to share the planet with, despite their own religious instructions to the contrary...

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.41  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @9.1.37    last year

Unfortunately the lefts (including progressives) idea of compromise is agreeing with them 100% and relinquishing all of our  values, ideals and visions. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.42  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.36    last year

Well, mentally ill you say. . . but, is this mentally ill behavior, in you opinion?

The National Park Service highlights the significance of these soldier-produced shows, noting their critical role alongside more famous USO performances in boosting troop morale. These shows traveled globally, entertaining both military personnel and civilians, and were even performed at the White House for President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

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This Is the Army. Army Signal Corps photographs, courtesy of the National Archives


Why am I concerned you ask:

Why not? Really why are you not?! There is 'freedom' in those images above. What does MAGA have against boosting morale?

Surely our lethal military did not take to accepting performances by the mentally ill to mock them as such. It seems to be more a case of imitation as a form of flattery. 

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.43  CB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.39    last year
Because they see it as just one more erosion of their white Christian culture that has been forced to "normalize" homosexuality by not being allowed to punch them in the face or use the term as a derogatory punch line for fear of being outed as a bigot.
At least with the transgender issue they can still claim some fantasy "harm" because of the supposed bathroom issues and the fairness in sports competition.
There isn't any proof it's a mental illness and in fact, "Mental health professionals generally do not consider transgenderism a mental illness. 
While some may experience gender dysphoria, which is a recognized mental health condition involving distress related to gender incongruence, being transgender itself is not a disorder.".

I will add the mocking. Don't forget so-called, "Christians" - Christlike people want the right to make fun of people and make light about their various conditions. Makes you wonder how such 'individuals' or grouping of people are better than god-forsaken hedons. 

I will observe that a mental health issue/problem does not always lead to mental illness. 

And what is telling is school-age children have more maturity around these matters of sexual and gender inherently -than many adults. For the children are willing to explore subject matter materials, reflect upon what they find, and ultimately reject or accept anything according to what need they have or do not have.

Whereas these people, these 'Christians,' are sitting around giggling like you know what maybe, stereotyping, being obnoxious, and finally are ever at it to destroy that which they won't or can't bother to understand or empathize. 

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.44  CB  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.39    last year
That is why MAGA is "so afraid of transsexual men and women having jobs, careers, working along side of other government hires, and being self-reliant". It normalizes a behavior they have been taught is a sin and is worthy of eternal torment. They imagine themselves as saviors of others by trying to "fix" the broken people who are damned to eternal torment without them. It's why they don't even see how insidious and vile their attempts to inject their religion into our laws, schools, courts and government is, they don't see the lgtbq community as real valid people, they're just sinners that need to either be "saved" or eventually destroyed.

The demonization is over the top in those circles. If you get the chance to watch some cable television check out CNN. The ministers, pastor, and megachurches are all singing off the same hymn book: Doomsday is coming. (Psst: It's been coming for 2000 years already.) And God is going to smite the 'wicked' and the lambs will be free from the wickedness-es of 'those' damnable people WE deem unworthy to live.

That last ignores the biblical fact that Romans 12:18 reads, " If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

MAGAs meddle, judge, and try to oppress those they find guilty though their use of their own self-righteous dogmas.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.45  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.41    last year

If a wrong value, idea, or vision is discovered it should be discarded—wherever found to be.

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.46  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.41    last year
relinquishing all of our  values, ideals and visions. 

... not mine, and I don't tell thumper scum how to live their pathetic lives. I expect the same courtesy ...

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.47  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @9.1.46    last year
 I don't tell thumper scum how to live their pathetic lives. 

Actually you do all the time. That comment is just one of the ways you do. You also try to tell them who they do or do not support. You attempt to tell them how they should lead their lives and constantly tell them that they should conform to your way of belief. 

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.48  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.36    last year

What do you think the soldiers in 9.1.42 were 'equipped' to do when not performing in drag? I will answer that: Their service duties! Just like other people with day jobs. Mentally ill? I think not! 

 
 
 
JBB
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9.1.49  JBB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.47    last year

Nice projection you got there. Got mirror?

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.50  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.48    last year

Doing a drag show (especially if ordered to) is totally different then saying one is a member of the of the opposite sex that one can never in reality be. Drag is also not a mental disorder as transgenderism is. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.51  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.47    last year
Actually you do all the time.

warning thumper dipshits about the establishment clause in the 1st amendment is more like a PSA ...

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.52  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.50    last year

Who orders people to do drag shows in the military? Especially in the 1940-50? When homosexuality (and its resemblances) bore the stigma of mental illness in official manuals? Provide evidence.

Provide hard fact that transgenderism is a mental disorder.

Enough of simple chit-chat time to put up facts.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.53  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.52    last year
Provide hard fact that transgenderism is a mental disorder.

Prove it is not. 0

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.54  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.53    last year

Gender Incongruence is No Longer a Mental Disorder

Abstract

The aim of this article is to highlight the historical path of transsexualism diagnosis since its inclusion to its elimination from the catalogue of mental disorders . We analyse the terminological changes that may account for this phenomenon in order to depathologise and just as the controversies raised by its location in the new Manual of International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems ICD-11.

ICD-11 drives out the term " Transsexualism " and replaces it with the term "Gender Incongruence" (GI). This new terminology will no longer be part of the chapter on mental disorders (Chapter 6) but a new chapter (Chapter 17) entitled "Conditions relating to sexual health" is created.

These changes of ICD-11 represent a breakthrough and a great sense of freedom for trans people, since WHO has included the different variants of gender in normality by not being considered a mental disorder.


There, I have dignified your 'request' with an answer. The article and many more accompanying journal reports are available on the subject. It is 'exhaustive' in several ways— but not for those who want to know in order to treat these people with justice and decency.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.55  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.53    last year

Learning experience about Others and their perspective: (It's something for everybody- I learned something too).

Jamie Raines: Having periods as transgender man
Period advice for trans guys

There is a line at 32 seconds in the Jaime Raines video (top-first) that is interesting, "Transmen are real men; we're just born a little bit different to other men." 

It is so important to try to listen to another persons perspective (about themselves) before we judge them as unfit for 'normalcy.'  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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9.1.56  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.42    last year

Do show where I said drag Queen's were mentally ill. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.57  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.55    last year

Those in the videos are having periods because both of them are now wand always will be women. Until you can show me someone spontaneously changed sexes without any medical or outside assistance I will still consider tranies to be mentally ill. Believing you are something you are not and can never be is mist certain a mental illness

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.58  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.56    last year

Let's put this on record. You do not think drag queens are mentally ill or have a mental disorder?  Yes or no.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.59  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.57    last year

Nope. They will always be what they say they are with uteruses—until once removed. As for "showing" you 'combustible' sex changes - this is reality we live in and not some magic or voo-doo set of experiences. 

The reason I posted the video on trans-dudes that have periods is not to persuade you, per se, of the right and wrong of this. But to let you HEAR/SEE how they think, operate, function, and live in their worldview. In which case, your worse reply might be- "It's not for Arkpdx."  At best it could be: "Live and let live." Understanding and accepting that there are different strokes for different folks. 

There is nothing for you to judge about these two individuals (in the videos) reality, because they are not harming you. And more importantly, unless you can establish that you are an AUTHORITY on gender incongruency you must be compelled to follow the guidelines in 9.1.54. Otherwise, its bigotry for bigotry sake.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.60  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.58    last year

No I do not think drag queens are necessarily mentally ill. They are not 100% normal but they never claim to be anything they're not as such not like trannies to do anyway transsexuals are not what they try to make make us believe that they are. Male to female trannies are just men with very good costumes to be women and vice versa with women to men. Drag queens on the other hand never totally try to convince anyone they are whether or not they usually go overboard in their dress and mannerisms and are more a joke that try trying to be women.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.61  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.59    last year

If I say I identify as a pilot and wear the appropriate uniform, would you fly with me? If I identify as a naval admiral and wear the appropriate clothing does that make me one. Does having a badge and a a gun make me a police officer if I say I am?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.1.62  arkpdx  replied to  CB @9.1.59    last year

Do they have XX ore XY chromosomes?  Do either one have a prostate gland..? Will the ever be able to change their chromosomes or will they some how magically growva prostate?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.63  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.60    last year
No I do not think drag queens are necessarily mentally ill.

'Necessarily' - what do you mean?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.64  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.61    last year

Not the same thing at all. It follows that you would attempt the analogy after what you wrote at 9.1.60, nevertheless.

"Male to female trannies are just men with very good costumes to be women and vice versa with women to men."

The fact is trans-people exist and have the experiences of living (in their skin) as males and females in those male and female spaces. There living is not a garb to be shed on a whim, it is an established part of the person and any reputation that individual and the group has.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
9.1.65  CB  replied to  arkpdx @9.1.62    last year

Those are medical concerns for which I suggest you do some research or contact a medical professional to get answers. The fact is what goes on 'under the skin' of trans-people physically is not a concern for you-politically. That is, whatever 'vista' or 'plateau' that medical sciences take trans-people to presently and in the future is between them and their physicians. . . and science. 

That ought to make it easier for you to just get on with the 'business' of just letting people be themselves! It would take the 'worry' off of you.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.66  CB  replied to  CB @9.1.44    last year

". . .check out: TBN. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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10  Greg Jones    last year

No due process was required for the millions of illegal immigrants that Biden imported into the US.

Why should it be required when they are deported?   jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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10.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @10    last year

“Why should it be required when they are deported?”

Given that specious line of reasoning, why abide by our Constitution? Why even attempt to understand it?

Perhaps it is easier to ignore it than embrace it in the absence of understanding, much less appreciating its purpose. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
10.2  evilone  replied to  Greg Jones @10    last year
No due process was required for the millions of illegal immigrants that Biden imported into the US.

First, explain what immigrants Biden imported into the US. Then second, explain how they would then be illegal. Lastly, explain how that applies to due process?

Do you even know what due process means?

Due process refers to the legal principle ensuring fairness and protection of individual rights in legal proceedings. It guarantees that individuals are treated fairly by the government and that their rights are not taken away without proper legal procedures.

Your feeble attempts to excuse the executive branch as operate by fiat is replellant. I did not give an oath to a king when I served, but to uphold the rights and laws whether I agreed with them or not. 

Why should it be required when they are deported?

It's the fucking law and if it doesn't apply to everyone, then no one is safe.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @10.2    last year
explain what immigrants Biden imported into the US.

The millions who came in between the time he rolled back all Trump's work and foreign deals and the summer of 2024 when he decided to start enforcing the law again because an election was coming up. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
10.2.2  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.2.1    last year

So if a president "imported" them it must have been legal. What is the problem with the new president respecting the work done by the old president? If he wishes to do something different. . . there is a reasonable process for that: Due process. 

Throwing out "imported" people MAGAs do not like with process is immoral and illegal.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
10.2.3  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.2.1    last year
The millions who came in between...

So, nothing but whining, deflection and an obtuse understanding of law.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @10.2    last year

The Nazis took the Jews German citizenship from them first...then went on to commit atrocities

 
 
 
devangelical
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10.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.4    last year

trumpski wants the ability to pick up anyone in america for a reason he chooses and then deport them without due process. gee, I wonder what profiles he'll be using to determine who may be doing something illegal ...

 
 
 
Thomas
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10.2.6  author  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @10.2.5    last year

If you are doing something, you doing something potentially illegal. The guy's a crackpot, wannabe dictator. The rest of the country is still in denial.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
10.2.7  arkpdx  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.2.4    last year

Who's citizenship has been taken from them. Don't say illegal immigrants because they are not citizens and don't say immigrants that have committed crimes because they can be stripped of any right to be here by law. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
10.2.8  arkpdx  replied to  CB @10.2.2    last year
What is the problem with the new president respecting the work done by the old president 

So I guess you think Biden was wrong when he changed and nullified the acts of Trump concerning immigration such as remain in Mexico building the border wall etc 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
10.2.9  CB  replied to  arkpdx @10.2.8    last year

You know, these silly glancing statements are a gross way of time. Whataboutisms are something children, not old ass folks, should spend time frivolously. 

'Old folks' know that right and wrong are on a spectrum (like 99.99 percent of everything we know of). That is, even God and Satan are on a spectrum. So what should. . . humans. . . look for when they set out on a journey of liberty, freedom, and prosperity FOR ALL. I will tell you what they should not look out for: liberty, freedom, and prosperity for their clique, club, and tribe. 

When will all mean, to the maximum possible? Accepting that nothing can be 100% because of well, humanity being impure and limited.

Therefore, do not compare made a vain attempt to compare (whataboutism) one man's malevolence and self-interests with another man's benevolence and freewill sharing - with those both and several presidents swore to serve through being committed to the good of all.

Therefore, it behooves those who are recalcitrant to leave their states of mind and to come stand in the center of what is good, compassionate, reachable, and obtainable, so that they can be seen in the light of truth, decency, and as a touchable by the burdens and arrows others are impacted by in this life!

Finally, nobody living on this planet can keep to a singular ideology all the days of their lives. So why pretend it? Our world is ever-changing. We are at our best when we pick 'higher-theme' and let the ones that don't bear up go the way of the do-do bird! Funky, stale, abusive attitudes and acts are found to be just that once we are become 'aware.' Let it go. Clear the air of the mind! That goes for liberals, conservatives, and as well to MAGAs. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Guide
10.3  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @10    last year

Because "we' like to think we have standards even when others do not. BTW, it is incredibly WICKED of the citizens of this country who constitutionally forgo cruel and usual punishment to issue it to others as retribution.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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10.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @10    last year
No due process was required for the millions of illegal immigrants that Biden imported into the US.

It wasn't required for those he deported either.  Wonder what changed.

 
 
 
Thomas
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10.4.1  author  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.4    last year

I Prompted ChatGPT:

Fact check this statement, Please: No due process was required for the millions of illegal immigrants that Biden imported into the US.
It wasn't required for those he deported either.  Wonder what changed.

ChatGPT responded:

​The claim that "no due process was required for the millions of illegal immigrants that Biden imported into the U.S." and that it "wasn't required for those he deported either" is inaccurate. Under U.S. law, all noncitizens—regardless of how they enter the country—are entitled to due process protections, including the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, unless they are subject to specific expedited procedures.​

Due Process for Migrants Entering the U.S.

The Biden administration has utilized humanitarian parole programs to admit migrants from countries like Venezuela, Haiti, Cuba, and Nicaragua. These individuals are not granted citizenship or permanent residency upon entry. Instead, they are placed into formal deportation proceedings and are subject to immigration court review, a process that can take years due to significant backlogs .​ CBS News

However, there have been concerns about the adequacy of due process in certain cases. For example, a report from UCLA Law highlighted that tens of thousands of children were ordered deported without legal representation or a fair day in court UCLA School of Law . Additionally, a proposed rule by the Biden administration aimed to allow border officials, rather than immigration judges, to make complex asylum determinations, potentially fast-tracking deportations without full hearings Vera Institute of Justice .​

Deportations Under Biden

Deportations have continued under the Biden administration. Between fiscal years 2021 and early 2024, approximately 1.1 million people were deported, a pace comparable to the Trump administration's record Migration Policy Institute . While expedited removal processes are used for certain categories of migrants—particularly those apprehended near the border—these procedures are authorized by law and have been employed by previous administrations as well.​

Conclusion

While there are legitimate critiques regarding the fairness and execution of immigration proceedings, the assertion that the Biden administration has entirely bypassed due process for migrants entering or being deported from the U.S. is not supported by the facts. Legal processes remain in place, though their implementation and adequacy continue to be subjects of debate and legal scrutiny.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.5  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @10    last year
Why should it be required when they are deported?

what part of "with liberty and justice for all" at the end of the pledge of allegiance don't you understand?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
10.5.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @10.5    last year

... never mind everything that comes before it.

 
 
 
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