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‘Premature capitulation’: WaPo editor Robert Kagan resigns in protest

  
Via:  TᵢG  •  2 months ago  •  129 comments

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‘Premature capitulation’: WaPo editor Robert Kagan resigns in protest
 

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Basically Kagan alleges that Bezos killed the endorsement of Harris due to a threat by Trump.

Another element contributing to the claim of Trump being a fascist.


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TᵢG
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1  seeder  TᵢG    2 months ago

Trump supporters, are you okay with Trump leveraging his potential power to censor the free press?

Given what he can do merely as a nominee, imagine what he will do as PotUS.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 months ago

I think Kagan is right, and some of them are just fine with it.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.1  Thomas  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1    2 months ago
I think Kagan is right, and some of them are just fine with it.

They are without a doubt. Donald Trump did not evolve into what he is today without the active support of institutions: The Republican Party, a myriad of thinktanks, Fox News and other Media Conglomerates, certain evangelical churches, a seeming mish-mash of Nationalist and otherwise discriminatory groups... the list goes on. 

 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Thomas @1.1.1    2 months ago

I'm not even sure that it's just that.  There seems to be a sizable group of people who don't want to think.  They're happiest when they're being spoon-fed. 

They're happiest turning decision-making over to anyone who is an "expert", and they've been fooled into thinking that Trump is an expert by his money and bloviating.  They can't be bothered to listen to his speeches, but they're sure Harris can only deliver a "word salad".  They see his gold-plated toilet and plastic wife and think he's a good, smart businessman, but they aren't interested in his bankruptcies or his shady dealings.  They think he's an expert on the economy, so they believe him when he tells them that tarrifs are good for them, and that he can repeal all federal taxes.

They don't think.  They don't research.  What do they need a free press for?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.2    one month ago
There seems to be a sizable group of people who don't want to think

at this point in time the undecided voters lack critical thinking skills ...

any american that cowers before the orange buffoon lacks any patriotic fiber in their character ...

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.4  Thomas  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.2    one month ago

If they were just some loosely organized amalgamation of people, trying to push a variety of points, I would concur.

But

The reason Trump is such a force in todays political sphere is that all of these people are capable of falling into the trap of believing what he says is the truth. 

It does not matter that he is not telling the truth.

It does not matter which sub-genre of Trump supporters.

Different people have different takeaways, but the effect is the same: They line up behind Trump.

They pick their own little piece of evil out of the vast amount of hate that Trump spews and hold it close to their heart.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.5  CB  replied to  Thomas @1.1.4    one month ago
The reason Trump is such a force in todays political sphere is that all of these people are capable of falling into the trap of believing what he says is the truth. It does not matter that he is not telling the truth.

As Michelle Obama says these trumpists try to pick apart the words of V.P. Harris while leaving Crooked Donald's word salads unmolested in their many 'bowls. '  Why? Because trumpists DESIRE what Crooked Donald supplies them as their leader: The takeover, removal, and suppression of marginalized people's rights, freedoms, and privileges. . . as a form and fashion of 'returning to what conservatives call 'great' again. 

Some trumpists don't care one iota that marginalized people were subordinated in our country which likes to brag to the world about freedom, rights, and privileges. They did not wish to share the country with marginalized people before and do not 'now.'

Some trumpists have a figurehead, a 'voice,' a CONSCIENCELESS suppressor, in the person of Crooked Donald and that is why they will keep him. And it says something about Elon Musk (and his damn electric cars of the future) that he is spending his wealth on a man whom even he can't trust to tell him the truth!

BTW, the LYING by Crooked Donald is only going to get worse as he deteriorates deeper into old-age. In old-age people become more intentional in stating the things they choose to believe. . . well, Crooked Donald has always believed LYING gets him ahead or out of great many problems. He will do more LYING to the public at 80 did at 78 count on it. 

The question for us is will the public be SERVING him when he is 80 and accepting 'receipts' from a nonsensical maniac who has billionaires and dictators BOUYING him up around the world, when he should be casted down! (We won't have anything Crooked Donald wants if he has friends in higher places than himself).

Let's just call it what it will be: 

Crooked Donald, the old fart that wipes his you know what with a new issue of lawyers on a routine basis, will not be for "the people" (who need help in this country- remember he and Elon laughed in a interview about 'crushing unions'), he will use the courts and the judges who cooperate with his way of looking at the world to FINISH breaking 'everything.'

Oh yeah, Bannon is getting out of prison and plans to structure a 'MAGA army' (whatever) and start his usual slide into SHIT as he hits the ground running.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.6  cjcold  replied to  Thomas @1.1.4    one month ago

Seems the tea party morphed into MAGA.

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.7  Thomas  replied to  cjcold @1.1.6    one month ago
Seems the tea party morphed into MAGA.

That is, I believe, the common consensus. I am not so sure that I would buy the direct transition, but there are several factors that point towards it. 

Moving on.

Trump exists as a lens to focus the disagreements that people have between their lived lives and the American Dream on a scapegoat. Trump provided that scapegoat, ie., others, when he rode his golden escalator down to announce his candidacy. He has since doubled down again and again to the point where he can undeniably be called a fascist. The rally atMadison Square Garden ties it all up and presents it as a whole package: The "enemy within", "America is for American's", the mass deportation of "The other"...

Fuck Trump and his followers. A vote for Trump is a vote to end the United States of America and to start a barnyard devolution.

Harris/Walz 2024 

The only sane choice.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thomas @1.1.7    one month ago
start a barnyard devolution.

But the pigs of Animal Farm actually had brains

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.9  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.1.6    one month ago

... the same defective mentalities.

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.10  Krishna  replied to  Thomas @1.1.7    one month ago
Fuck Trump and his followers. A vote for Trump is a vote to end the United States of America and to start a barnyard devolution.

Like this:

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which”

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Krishna @1.1.10    one month ago

Didn’t Seinfeld do an episode on the pig man?

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.2  goose is back  replied to  TᵢG @1    one month ago
Trump supporters, are you okay with Trump leveraging his potential power to censor the free press

NO, I am not OK with any party censoring speech. I believe most Trump supporters feel the same, we are furious the way the Biden/Harris, big tech and the media has censored speech. If you think this didn't happen, don't waste your time responding.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @1.2    one month ago

You deflected from the story about Trump potentially strong-arming WaPo to kill the Harris endorsement and instead attack Ds in an attempt to normalize Trump's outrageous behavior.

 
 
 
George
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1.2.2  George  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    one month ago
You deflected from the story about Trump potentially strong-arming WaPo

There is no evidence of that other than your confirmation bias to believe all things negative about trump. Do you not think that it would be front page news and the scoop of the century?  We would have that partisan hack Bernstein on every channel claiming it was worse than Watergate. Bezos has nothing to lose and everything to gain if this actually happened to print it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.2.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  George @1.2.2    one month ago
There is no evidence of that other than your confirmation bias to believe all things negative about trump.

Back to the pathetic tactic of demanding absolute proof of any claim against Trump.

Do you not think that it would be front page news and the scoop of the century?  

No.  Do you?   Talk about hysteria.

Bezos has nothing to lose and everything to gain if this actually happened to print it.

You cannot see how avoiding the wrath of Trump is a plus for Bezos?   He takes a credibility hit for his paper and avoids a vindictive Trump killing government contracts, etc.


The problem we face, George, is that our CotUS presumes that the people would elect a PotUS who is responsible and will see it as a duty rather than a personal arsenal.   How anyone can be blind to the abysmal character of Trump at this point is both disappointing and dangerous.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.4  CB  replied to  goose is back @1.2    one month ago
I believe most Trump supporters feel the same, we are furious the way the Biden/Harris, big tech and the media has censored speech.

It begs the question that Crooked Donald and trumpists think LYING is a proper context to argue for freedom of speech. On the other end of the spectrum rests TRUTH. . . but Crooked Donald and his trumpists are walled off from the 'midpoint.'

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.5  CB  replied to  George @1.2.2    one month ago

We're see how 'good for business' this strategy works out for the Washington Post when its readers stop giving it "some" and demand it 'pull out.' (Sexual innuendo intended.) As Beyoncé might say: 'We can find another newspaper in a minute. . . don't ever get to thinking that the Washington Post is irreplaceable!' 

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.2.6  goose is back  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    one month ago
You deflected from the story about Trump 

Can you read? NO, I am not OK with any party censoring speech.

Now, show me where Trump has put pressure on WaPo to NOT endorse Harris and then you can explain why the LA Times, multiple unions have not endorsed Harris.

You may want to consider that Harris never received a vote in a primary and she's just not a good candidate. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.2.7  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @1.2.6    one month ago
NO, I am not OK with any party censoring speech.

Yes I can read, you made a general, platitude statement and then deflected to Harris.

Now, show me where Trump has put pressure on WaPo to NOT endorse Harris and then you can explain why the LA Times, multiple unions have not endorsed Harris.

I have not claimed that he did, I have stated that I find that hypothesis to be quite believable and fully consistent with Trump's character and methods.   Do you not remember what he tried to to with Zelensky?   How about all the coercion attempts during the Big Lie?   How much evidence do you need of Trump's character before you recognize that it is entirely reasonable for him to yet again put pressure on Bezos?

You may want to consider that Harris never received a vote in a primary and she's just not a good candidate. 

No rational person is going to NOT vote for Harris simply because the Ds did not hold a second primary (unrealistic to do so) after Biden dropped out.   That is not only old news, it has been nothing more than a feeble, irrelevant MAGA talking point.  If that is the best argument you have then you have nothing.   A rational mind will consider Harris herself, her policies, her philosophy, etc.   Only Trump supporters talk about the Ds lack of a second primary after Biden dropped out.

First, WaPo had their endorsement for Harris ready to go.   So they obviously were going to endorse her.

Second, how can you possibly compare Harris to Trump and think that Trump is better for this nation?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.7    one month ago

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If anything Trump is in a darker place since 2021, and is now a convicted felon and owes millions of dollars to a victim of sexual assault by him.  And yet we are supposed to believe that it is just coincidental that Wapo chose this election to stop making endorsements. Doesnt add up. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.2.9  goose is back  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.7    one month ago
I have not claimed that he did ......it is entirely reasonable for him to yet again put pressure on Bezos?

You contradict yourself in the same paragraph!

No rational person is going to NOT vote for Harris simply because the Ds did not hold a second primary 

Says who...you!  People still like the democratic process even though the Democrats don't believe in it. 

how can you possibly compare Harris to Trump and think that Trump is better for this nation?

Oh, I don't know, Trump served four years and we were much better off had it not been for the pandemic.  Harris hasn't done ANYTHING, other than let millions upon millions of illegals into our country.  Matter of fact I believe you may be in the legal field find me a transcript of any case Harris has tried; I have searched ever where and cannot find one.  Has she ever tried a case in court?   

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.10  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.9    one month ago

So immature like so many of the defenders of the indefensible and also is that the latest conspiracy?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.2.11  evilone  replied to  goose is back @1.2.9    one month ago
Says who...you!  People still like the democratic process even though the Democrats don't believe in it. 

Can you name one person that voted for Biden/Harris in the primary that says they won't vote for Harris/Walz in the general?

Trump served four years and we were much better off had it not been for the pandemic.

I wasn't. 

Harris hasn't done ANYTHING...

What did Pence do as VP? 

....other than let millions upon millions of illegals into our country...

If the left finds Nazi's around ever corner, the right sees illegals in every shadow.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.12  George  replied to  evilone @1.2.11    one month ago
Can you name one person that voted for Biden/Harris in the primary

I am willing to bet nobody, since Harris isn't even on the ballot with Joe in the primary, and he could have picked anyone to be VP after he was nominated. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.13  goose is back  replied to  evilone @1.2.11    one month ago
What did Pence do as VP?

Pence isn't running for President.

If the left finds Nazi's around ever corner, the right sees illegals in every shadow

The problem with that is there is no Nazii's around the corner but, there are illegals EVERYWHERE!!!!

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.14  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.10    one month ago
also is that the latest conspiracy

Has nothing to do with a conspiracy, show me a case she has tried. She touts how she has prosecuted transnational cartels show me the transcript.  

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.15  George  replied to  evilone @1.2.11    one month ago
What did Pence do as VP? 

Certified the election and named President Biden the winner. Now if trump wins, Harris will have to certify the election and name trump the winner....That's going to leave a mark.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.2.16  evilone  replied to  goose is back @1.2.13    one month ago
Pence isn't running for President.

Unlike you I was comparing apples to apples.

The problem with that is there is no Nazii's around the corner but, there are illegals EVERYWHERE!!!!

Maybe no Nazi's, but there are plenty of authoritarian cultist around.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.2.17  evilone  replied to  George @1.2.15    one month ago
Certified the election and named President Biden the winner.

And the crowd outside was calling for his hanging. 

Now if trump wins, Harris will have to certify the election and name trump the winner....That's going to leave a mark.

No doubt that would be a bitter pill to swallow. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.18  George  replied to  evilone @1.2.17    one month ago

Shades of Al Gore, Pence did what was right as I'm sure Harris will do, either way.  How nice would it be for her to announce her win personally. been since Bush senior that a VP got to announce their own win.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.14    one month ago

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Not a conspiracy

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.14    one month ago

That's not just conspiracy, that's fucking nuts.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
1.2.21  evilone  replied to  George @1.2.18    one month ago

Depending on one's point of view we live in either interesting or crazy times. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.22  goose is back  replied to  evilone @1.2.11    one month ago
Can you name one person that voted for Biden/Harris

There are 14,000,000 many will stay home rather than vote for Harris.

Since you want names, name some people who don't have an I D to vote.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.23  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.14    one month ago

So, now that McDonald's never confirmed or denied that she worked at McDonald's - because you are unable to provide transcripts from any of her trials, then she has never tried anyone and wasn't actually a Prosecutor.

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goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.24  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.20    one month ago
that's fucking nuts.

I know crazy, she hasn't tried one fucking case!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.25  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.24    one month ago

It's batshitfuckingcrazy

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.26  George  replied to  evilone @1.2.21    one month ago

Agree, the hair on fire is greatly entertaining, for decades we have heard how Blue or Red was going to destroy our lives and way of life. it's like they never learn. or "we" don't, and they use that to scare us into voting for them, or more likely against the other guy. 

Despite the many claims, nobody has taken my guns and we aren't a communist country. It's absolutely shocking!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.27  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @1.2.9    one month ago
I have searched ever where and cannot find one.  Has she ever tried a case in court? 

this took 20 seconds

 

By   Soumya Karlamangla Tim Arango   and   Alena Cerro

Soumya Karlamangla and Tim Arango reported from Oakland, Calif., and Alena Cerro from New York. Together, they read more than 6,000 pages of Kamala Harris’s trial transcripts.

Oct. 29, 2024 Updated   2:10 p.m. ET

What Harris’s Courtroom Transcripts Reveal About Her Closing Arguments - The New York Times

What 9 Cases From Kamala Harris’ Past Say About Her Record as a California Prosecutor | KQED

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.28  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @1.2.9    one month ago
Oh, I don't know, Trump served four years and we were much better off had it not been for the pandemic.

I wasn't and in real life, you don't get to exclude global pandemics that happened to everyone.  Keep in mind almost every other neighboring country did exponentially better.

No country is more similar to the U.S. than Canada, whose economy and culture are closely intertwined with our own. Yet faced with a life-threatening pandemic of historic proportions, Canada showed far greater success in protecting the lives of its people than the U.S. How are we to understand Canada’s superior performance and the disastrous performance of our own country, which has the highest per capita death rate (3023 per one million, compared to Canada’s 1071) of any wealthy democratic country? U.S. Failed on COVID-19. Canada Shows a Better Way | TIME

Next?

Harris hasn't done ANYTHING, other than let millions upon millions of illegals into our country.

Harris wasn't the President.

Next? I believe you have to have a reason to go to Oakland or Alameda and request to review courtroom transcripts. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.29  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.14    one month ago

I don't think I have access.

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.30  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.2.24    one month ago

You believe that?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.2.31  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.28    one month ago
  Keep in mind almost every other neighboring country did exponentially better.

Lol.  Mexico had significantly more excess deaths during the pandemic

anada showed far greater success in protecting the lives of its people than the U.S. 

Lol. Sure climate and population density and having a significantly less obese population were genius preparations by Canada. Smart of them to create that for Covid. Sweden performed similarly to Canada and hardly had any official restrictions.  It's always amazing how people just credit the government as controlling all outcomes and ignore all the diverse factors at play. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.32  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.31    one month ago
Lol.  Mexico had significantly more excess deaths during the pandemic

More than what?   

In a list rating the worst country first;

The US was at 17  with 3,527 deaths per million

Mexico was 41st    with  2,602 deaths per million

Canada was 87th with only 1,424 deaths per million.

COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.33  CB  replied to  goose is back @1.2.9    one month ago
People still like the democratic process even though the Democrats don't believe in it. 

The V.P had an 'abbreviated' selection process due to time constraints. . .and as directed on the advice of the DNC which conducts the proceedings. When trumpists don't like it. . .oh well. The process occurred. It was a valid process. It was approved by the party. It was accepted at the DNC convention.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.34  CB  replied to  George @1.2.12    one month ago

Joe Biden did not run with any suggestion that he was planning a change on the ticket. So there. We know it. And trumpists certainly know it because it would be quickly pointed out publicly if it was so. It was not so.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.35  CB  replied to  goose is back @1.2.9    one month ago
Oh, I don't know, Trump served four years and we were much better off had it not been for the pandemic. 

Former President Obama says he left Crooked Donald a well-kept government (free of recession even), and it was on the 'strength' of the Obama eight years that Crooked Donald is laying claim. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.36  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @1.2.21    one month ago

Crazy can be interesting

 
 
 
evilone
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1.2.37  evilone  replied to  goose is back @1.2.22    one month ago
There are 14,000,000

Nice spin, but no prize. If there were that many that voted for Biden in the Primaries then he wouldn't have been at -6 against Trump in polling. You just moved the goal posts from your original point of people were mad that Harris wasn't voted for in the Primary. The only people mad are MAGA Populists that would never vote D anyway. Either party can conduct their nomination process anyway they see fit and Harris has a 94% party approval rating. Both her party and national rating is well above Biden's.

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.38  goose is back  replied to  CB @1.2.33    one month ago
The V.P had an 'abbreviated' selection process due to time constraints.

You are correct, she was "SELECTED" by the DNC, never by the people.  Maybe had she not lied about Biden's health this would not have happened. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.2.39  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @1.2.38    one month ago
You are correct, she was "SELECTED" by the DNC, never by the people.

Only Trump supporters care at this point.   Get a grip.

The people will elect her to the presidency or not.   That is the vote that matters.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.2.40  CB  replied to  goose is back @1.2.38    one month ago

See 1.2.39. That's all. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.41  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.39    one month ago

... already prepping their excuses for losing. gee, I wonder how many puerto rican voters there are in PA?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.2.42  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  devangelical @1.2.41    one month ago
I wonder how many puerto rican voters there are in PA?

Seems to be about 300,000 who would be eligible to vote.   I do not know how many are registered.

Regardless, that is plenty in a close election to give Harris the win.

Let's hope they remain pissed off for at least another week.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.43  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.42    one month ago
Let's hope they remain pissed off for at least another week.

... uh, you don't know any puerto ricans, do you? I'd say the orange menace managed to shit in his mess kit at a most inappropriate time. luckily for trump, he now has a full time trump-splainer as his running mate now ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.44  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.41    one month ago

'Donald Trump has a serious Puerto Rico problem — in Pennsylvania.

Many Puerto Rican voters in the state are furious about   racist and demeaning comments   delivered at a Trump rally. Some say their dismay is giving Kamala Harris a new opening to win over the state’s Latino voters, particularly nearly half a million Pennsylvanians   of Puerto Rican descent.'

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.45  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.44    one month ago

I'm thinking there's probably a few PR voters in NY and florida too ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.46  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.45    one month ago

Gee, ya think?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2.47  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.2.45    one month ago

The snake Rick Scott was doing damage control.  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.48  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.47    one month ago

he should probably drive to mar-a-lardo and see if he can get a spray tan first ...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.2.49  devangelical  replied to  goose is back @1.2.38    one month ago
she was "SELECTED" by the DNC, never by the people

sounds like trump has nothing to worry about then. surely those real americans that care so much about the future of our democracy would never vote for somebody like that ...

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2.50  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @1.2.45    one month ago
I'm thinking there's probably a few PR voters in NY and florida too ..

Yes.

And I think it even goes beyond Puerto Rican voters. I think many other Latino groups will realize that that prejudice against Puerto Ricans is obviously present in attitudes to those from the Domincan Republic-- Cuba...,etc. etc.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.2.51  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @1.2.50    one month ago

duh. trump is a mentally defective white supremacist.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2  Thomas    2 months ago
Basically Kagan alleges that Bezos killed the endorsement of Harris due to a threat by Trump. Another element contributing to the claim of Trump being a fascist.

And everyone said I was crazy.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.1  cjcold  replied to  Thomas @2    one month ago

We still do.

When everybody says you're crazy it's time for soul searching.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.1  Thomas  replied to  cjcold @2.1    one month ago
When everybody says you're crazy it's time for soul searching.

I did, and I found that I was right.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.2  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @2.1    one month ago

fuck that, I going with it full bore ...

 
 
 
George
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3  George    2 months ago

The second richest man in the world is afraid of trump? This is either complete bullshit of Bezos is the biggest pussy who has ever lived.

Now for the most likely reason, Bezos is a business man and doesn’t want to piss off half he readership.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1  Thomas  replied to  George @3    2 months ago
Now for the most likely reason, Bezos is a business man and doesn’t want to piss off half he readership.

Why? Everybody and their brother were expecting the Washington Post to endorse Harris. Why would the effect be anything but minimal,if at all?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  George @3    2 months ago
The second richest man in the world is afraid of trump?

No, he is afraid of the power Trump would wield as POTUS.  Big Macs are the only things that fear Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  George @3    2 months ago

I am very surprised by this too.   I would think that Bezos would not care about Trump's threats.   But if Bezos is not a Trump supporter (seems that way) then he would not be able to hold campaign contributions over Trump's head like Musk can.    In result, Musk might just be building a situation where he can heavily influence government through Trump while Bezos must operate in defense mode.   Musk quite likely is expanding his authoritarian style into the public sector.

Now for the most likely reason, Bezos is a business man and doesn’t want to piss off half he readership.

This is the first time in 30 years that the Post has not endorsed a presidential candidate.   This year, they were ready to endorse Harris.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.3.1  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @3.3    2 months ago

I suspect after MAGA boycotts of Bud Light and Target that Amazon America's Largest Retailer is merely protecting shareholder equity...

 
 
 
George
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3.3.2  George  replied to  JBB @3.3.1    one month ago

It is a smart business decision, if it was a 1 off it might mean something. but they are just following the LA Times. nobody threatened Bezos you would have to be an idiot or a partisan to believe that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  George @3.3.2    one month ago

Who would bother to threaten anyone over a newspaper endorsement? It’s not 1976 anymore. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.4  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.3    one month ago
Who would bother to threaten anyone over a newspaper endorsement?

Are you serious?    You cannot see Trump telling Bezos to not endorse Harris?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.5  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  George @3.3.2    one month ago
nobody threatened Bezos you would have to be an idiot or a partisan to believe that.

Kagan was the editor in chief.   That is his assessment.   It is a perfectly reasonable assessment too given the Post was going to release their prepared endorsement of Harris and factoring in what we know of Trump:

One day after The Washington Post announced it would not endorse a presidential candidate in this year’s election or in the future, its billionaire owner remains silent as the newspaper’s staff are in turmoil.

Jeff Bezos has so far declined to comment on the situation, even as his own paper’s journalists reported that it was Bezos who ultimately spiked the planned endorsement. A source with knowledge told CNN on Friday that an endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris had been drafted before it was squashed.

In the last 24 hours, at least one editor has resigned, and high-profile Post staffers have publicly expressed their dismay as many in the paper’s Opinion section are furious over how the situation was handled.

For many current and former staffers of the venerable newspaper, the timing of the announcement was highly suspect and has led them to believe Bezos’s business interests influenced the decision .

Former Post executive editor Marty Baron, who led the paper under Bezos during the first Trump administration called the decision an act of “cowardice.”

“To declare a moment of high principle, only 11 days before the election that is just highly suspect that is just not to be believed that this was a matter of principle at this point,” Baron told CNN’s Michael Smerconish on Saturday morning.

Trump has threatened Bezos “continually,” Baron noted. But when Baron was in charge of the newspaper, Bezos “resisted that pressure” and he was “proud” and “grateful” for that leadership.

“Bezos has other commercial interests, a big stake and Amazon, he has a space company called Blue Origin,” Baron said. “Trump has threatened to pursue his political enemies and he rewards his friends and he punishes his perceived political and think there’s no other explanation for what’s happening right now.”
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.5    one month ago

He’s an editor at large. That’s a very loose relationship with the paper.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.7  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.6    one month ago

If that is your 'rebuttal', why even bother penning something so feeble?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.7    one month ago

You misled people by calling him the editor in chief. There’s a massive difference between the two roles. Why wouldn’t you want that corrected?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.9  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.8    one month ago

That was not intentional; just an oversight on my part.

Regardless, the story is not about his role but rather Bezos' action to kill the endorsement and the likely reason for same.

Sean@3.3.3Who would bother to threaten anyone over a newspaper endorsement?

Trump would!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.3.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.9    one month ago
the story is not about his role but rather Bezos' action

But his role impacts the likelihood he would have any idea what's going on,

Trump would!

Anything's possible, but the idea of a newspaper endorsement getting anyone worked up enough to extort one of the richest men in the world seems insanely far fetched.  The only people who care whether  the Post endorse anyone  are those who prioritize partisan fealty over actual news, and they were all voting for Harris anyway. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.11  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.10    one month ago
But his role impacts the likelihood he would have any idea what's going on,

Did you read what I posted @3.3.5.   This part in particular:

Former Post executive editor Marty Baron, who led the paper under Bezos during the first Trump administration called the decision an act of “cowardice.”

“To declare a moment of high principle, only 11 days before the election that is just highly suspect that is just not to be believed that this was a matter of principle at this point,” Baron told CNN’s Michael Smerconish on Saturday morning.

Trump has threatened Bezos “continually,” Baron noted. But when Baron was in charge of the newspaper, Bezos “resisted that pressure” and he was “proud” and “grateful” for that leadership.

“Bezos has other commercial interests, a big stake and Amazon, he has a space company called Blue Origin,” Baron said. “Trump has threatened to pursue his political enemies and he rewards his friends and he punishes his perceived political and think there’s no other explanation for what’s happening right now.”

Anything's possible, but the idea of a newspaper endorsement getting anyone worked up enough to extort one of the richest men in the world seems insanely far fetched.

I thought you paid attention to Trump.   How can you possibly think that this is beyond Trump or that it is in any way unusual for him?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.11    one month ago

"We're withholding our endorsement because our owner is frightened of retaliation if Donald Trump wins" is a more forceful and eloquent statement than any newspaper editorial ever written.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3.13  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.11    one month ago

Trump has been taking pointers from his best friend, Vlad on how to solidify power.. Since he already has Musk on board, one of the next lower on the billionaires club is Bezos. 

Just look at what Putin did to the richest oligarch in Russia when he had the temerity to look like a possible alternative to Putin. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.3.14  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.10    one month ago
The only people who care whether  the Post endorse anyone  are those who prioritize partisan fealty over actual news,

You just described Trump.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.3.15  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.11    one month ago

MAGA consider mainline establishment Republicans like the Reagans, Bushes, Cheneys, Romneys, McCains and Pences as "The Enemy Within" because that is how Trump defines them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @3.3.13    one month ago

I mean to look into that history Thomas - who was that Putin destroyed - and said he was convicting him of corruption?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.17  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @3.3.14    one month ago

They do that all the time.  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif   Is that irony or????

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.18  Split Personality  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.16    one month ago

Every other oligarch in Rus.  Most of the time they skip right to the part where the oligarch flies out a hotel window.

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.3.19  Krishna  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.9    one month ago
Who would bother to threaten anyone over a newspaper endorsement?
Trump would!

Exactly...he's threatened people over a lot less.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.20  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Krishna @3.3.19    one month ago

Yup, how is this not obvious?

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.3.21  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.20    one month ago

I hope joe fucks trump and company up on his way out the door ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.4  Split Personality  replied to  George @3    one month ago
The second richest man in the world is afraid of trump?

I don't know, I'm not even sure who Larry Ellison is.  Oracle, maybe?

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.4.1  Thomas  replied to  Split Personality @3.4    one month ago

Forbes

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
3.4.2  Krishna  replied to  Split Personality @3.4    one month ago
I'm not even sure who Larry Ellison is.  Oracle, maybe?

Yes.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.5  devangelical  replied to  George @3    one month ago
doesn’t want to piss off half he readership

he can probably count the maga readership of the WP on one hand ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
4  Split Personality    2 months ago

The bride and her sister requested Tablets for Xmas.

My first reaction was to check Amazon.  

My second reaction was fuck Bezos.

Shop local

Tis the season

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1  CB  replied to  Split Personality @4    2 months ago

We have to give individuals (Bezos/Musk) the liberty to side with whomsoever they wish. . .even when it is baffling (or leaves us speechless). None of these situations makes sense to me with the exception of two major league leading billionaires just stepped into the shadow of this nation's most proliferate liar. . . what can go wrong?

These are interesting times in our country. This election can not get over quick enough. We need to see its final outcome post-haste. Just get it over with one way or the other, in my opinion.

Our country is changing for good or for worse. Only time will tell.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  CB @4.1    one month ago

We gave Musk citizenship despite a shady abuse of his student visa, we should be able to take it away just as easily.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.1    one month ago

lying on a document for DoD security clearance should warrant immediate deportation, or at least suspension of all his gov't contracts...

that fool is gambling everything on a trump electoral victory ...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.3  CB  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.1    one month ago

You're right. Government can take control over such individuals in various ways. It is just so damn confusing to try to see such people's principles over and against their business interests when they side with clear 'villains' in our society as proposed leaders.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5  CB    one month ago

Former Attorney General Erik Holder just stated something important: 'The people who stand up for the truth in this election should be rewarded as CEOs, corporations, organizations, and individuals. Those who do not stand up for TRUTH should be asked why they could not/would not do so!  Also, the founding fathers stood up to the greatest power in their day—Great Britain and won. Why are some CEOs, corporations, organizations, and individuals 'bowing and scraping' before Crooked Donald today?

Get up off the floor and raise your 'fallen' head up!

Vote HARRIS/WALZ 2024 and a democratic party ticket!

(True Conservatives, this may be your last chance to 'cleanly' break away from Crooked Donald! Don't blow it!)

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1  devangelical  replied to  CB @5    one month ago

dump trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.1    one month ago

dump trump the chump

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2  GregTx  replied to  CB @5    one month ago

Is he advocating that companies and organizations should question why someone didn't vote like he thinks they should?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.1  CB  replied to  GregTx @5.2    one month ago

This is what former AG Holder advocates: "The people who stand up for the truth in this election should be rewarded as CEOs, corporations, organizations, and individuals. Those who do not stand up for TRUTH should be asked why they could not/would not do so!  Also, the founding fathers stood up to the greatest power in their day—Great Britain and won. Why are some CEOs, corporations, organizations, and individuals 'bowing and scraping' before Crooked Donald today?'

Seems right to me.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2.2  GregTx  replied to  CB @5.2.1    one month ago
Seems right to me.

So, he is suggesting that those that vote like he thinks they should be rewarded and those that don't be questioned.

That seems right to you?...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.3  CB  replied to  GregTx @5.2.2    one month ago

The theme is Truth (telling). Nobody should have any problem whatsoever with the truth! Because whatever problem one has with the truth won't benefit them when they cross it with a lie. Thus, stand up for TRUTH. . . .

Seems right to me.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2.4  GregTx  replied to  CB @5.2.3    one month ago

If the theme was truth he wouldn't have mentioned the election or "Crooked Donnie"....

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.5  CB  replied to  GregTx @5.2.4    one month ago

SORRY! Can't help with that! (Crooked Donald is my 'call.')  Truth is something all good people should want to the 'MAX.' 

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.2.6  GregTx  replied to  CB @5.2.5    one month ago

My bad, it looked like part of his quote. Perhaps you should link it when you quote. Truth...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.2.7  CB  replied to  GregTx @5.2.6    one month ago
The people who stand up for the truth in this election should be rewarded as CEOs, corporations, organizations, and individuals. Those who do not stand up for TRUTH should be asked why they could not/would not do so!  Also, the founding fathers stood up to the greatest power in their day—Great Britain and won. Why are some CEOs, corporations, organizations, and individuals 'bowing and scraping' before Crooked Donald today?'

Well, "Crooked Donald" is my handle for LYING Donald for about a month now. That written, I did mess up on retransmission by retyping and putting the single quote markers in the wrong spot, as I can see now. (It's corrected above, nevertheless.)

Now then, let's move on to discussing the power of truth has over the 'tragedy' of lies, because eventually lies have to fall back and shake themselves out! Truth rarely takes a back seat to liars and their lies. :)

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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6  Hal A. Lujah    one month ago

I should think that Bezos is tiptoeing around Trump because most of what sells on Amazon is made in countries Trump wants to impose massive tariffs on.  He needs to maximize his influence with Trump in the off chance that Trump wins this election.

 
 
 
evilone
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7  evilone    one month ago

According to NPR, The Post lost 8% of it's subscriptions (over 200,000) as of late yesterday afternoon and more kept coming in. There was also a lot of internal turmoil going on at the paper itself with writers dropping out of the editorial board and/or quitting the paper outright.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @7    one month ago

Rightly so.    It is good to see some people stand true to ethics as opposed to the wholesale capitulation of the GOP.

 
 
 
evilone
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7.1.1  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    one month ago
It is good to see some people stand true to ethics as opposed to the wholesale capitulation of the GOP.

How many people would be willing to cancel their Amazon accounts? Probably not many.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilone @7.1.1    one month ago

I'm not willing.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.1.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  evilone @7.1.1    one month ago

I do not see this impacting Amazon accounts either.

But I was talking about employees of the Post resigning.

 
 
 
evilone
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7.1.4  evilone  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.3    one month ago
But I was talking about employees of the Post resigning.

I figured. Ironically more to your point -

Another [person resining from the editorial board], David Hoffman, accepted a Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing on Thursday, the day before Bezos’ decision was made public. Pulitzer judges recognized him “for a compelling and well-researched series on new technologies and the tactics authoritarian regimes use to repress dissent in the digital age, and how they can be fought.”
 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  evilone @7.1.1    one month ago

No but I can make an early New Years decision to check the prices on Amazon and go shop locally instead.

Buck Bezos, his mistresses and his money.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8  CB    one month ago

Just imagine this on your television set for four MORE years :

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Stock image from the internet.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @8    one month ago

Hey, I really need to get some sleep tonite

 
 
 
CB
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8.1.1  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @8.1    one month ago

HA!

 
 
 
George
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9  George    one month ago

Trump's stock was under $13 a share approx. 1 month ago, now it is over $50 a share, who are the investors betting on to win?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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9.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  George @9    one month ago

Fools and their money are soon parted.

 
 
 
Thomas
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9.2  Thomas  replied to  George @9    one month ago

You?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
10  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Why hasn't Jenifer Ruben resigned.

Didn't she tell all those who worked at the LA Times to quit in protest?

 
 

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