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UK MP Edward Davey Calls Trump ‘No Leader of the Free World’

  
Via:  TᵢG  •  7 months ago  •  22 comments

By:   Edward Davey

UK MP Edward Davey Calls Trump ‘No Leader of the Free World’
Regrettably, he is no friend of the United Kingdom. He's no leader of the free world. He is a dangerous and corrupt gangster, and that is how we must treat him.

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A whole civilization will die tonight.

Words I never thought I would hear from an American president.

And though Donald Trump thankfully didn't follow through this time, these words are a stark reminder of how reckless, immoral, and completely outside the bounds of international law this president is.

Regrettably, he is no friend of the United Kingdom. He's no leader of the free world. He is a dangerous and corrupt gangster, and that is how we must treat him.

So, will the Prime Minister advise the King to cool off his state visit to Washington before it's too late? Because I really fear for what Trump might say or do while our King is forced to stand by his side. We cannot put His Majesty in that position.

And when it comes to Trump's latest cunning plan to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, that will only escalate this crisis and jeopardize the precarious ceasefire. So it's right that the UK is not joining Trump, and I welcome the Prime Minister convening a summit to offer an alternative to Trump's.

We must work with our reliable allies in Europe and the Commonwealth and our partners in the Gulf to bring this conflict to an end and keep open the Strait of Hormuz. That is critical for tackling the cost-of-living crisis that is getting worse and worse for people in the UK, with petrol prices now up by more than 25p a liter and diesel up 49p since Trump started this war, cheered on, let's not forget, by the leader of the Conservative Party and Reform.

Does the Prime Minister recognize that families and businesses can't wait months for the government to step in and help? So, will he use the windfalls the Treasury is getting from higher fuel prices to cut the cost of living and keep the economy moving with action to slash bus fares and rail fares and cut fuel duty by 10p today, bringing down the price at the pumps by 12p a liter?



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TᵢG
Professor Principal
1  seeder  TᵢG    7 months ago
A whole civilization will die tonight.

Words I never thought I would hear from an American president.

...

He is a dangerous and corrupt gangster, and that is how we must treat him.

The damage Trump has done just to the reputation of the USA is incalculable.    Likely, it will take decades to get back to where we were before our major electoral mistakes.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Junior Quiet
1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  TᵢG @1    7 months ago
Likely, it will take decades to get back to where we were before our major electoral mistakes.

If even then, as our trading partners have found new trustworthy sources, and Europe and NATO are forging for a new direction to go, all due to a manipulated mass of minions who let Fox "news' and far right outlets of that nature, sculpt and shape their opinions, as inn their opines where many somehow still dine, eating up the LIES that have ignorant minds believing the deceiving they certainly have bought and eatin into, while it divided a once united nation two into. Yes, peep holes are finally beginning to see the light and errors of believing Trumps' blind foresight, though quite possibly, too little too late.

  Our ignorance may have just sealed our fate, and of course I would hope o\it is not too late, but unless some very skillful individuals run and get elected whom want and wish to rectify what the grabber of can't couldn't lawfully grasp as just go off on some nonsensical rant and let his base heavy pant while we were left to possibly gasp, for air and heirs are currently here to suffocate, and one shouldn't hold ones breath waiting for our country to self right this ship, cause too many haven't let sink inn, where we are at and will stay, unless we get the right persons in office to change our way, and who would of thought just one presidential election about a year and a half post, would be the one that damaged US All the most...?

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Participates
2  goose is back    7 months ago
Words I never thought

They are just words.  What do you think when Iran spouts "Death to America"?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @2    7 months ago

Words matter.

And the leaders of Iran are not the face, voice, and hand of our nation.

Why do you defend Trump no matter what?    The guy is a terrible PotUS who continues to damage the USA and continues to harm the global economy.    What does it take for you to acknowledge this?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Junior Quiet
2.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  goose is back @2    7 months ago
They are just words.  What do you think when Iran spouts "Death to America"?

The President of the United States 'words', matter a tad bit more than those echoed from the ME, where we have been inserting our mostly unwanted influence that has been apparent for decades, as how would we like it if our economic and freedoms were dictated by outside nations (though they sometimes are here as well).

  They resent our(Mainly big oil and religious fanatics) controlling so much of their country and culture.

Religious fanatics who do have reason to hate US, shout death to America, but is that the entire Iranian people, or their fanatical religious leaders, as 47 was just before telling the people to revolt and we would help them. Now , he's threatening to wipe them ALL out...??? And difficult to tell when TACO boy is serious or not, as he continues to run roughshod over our Laws, rights, and Constitution. He has seriously fckd up this nation, and if you can't see that, our condolences.

What the supposed leader of the free world and arguably the most powerful 'man' in the world says, have serious consequences and do have a Hell of a lot more meaning than a stupid religious slogan of exaggeration, but you should know this. Sorry you cannot the grasp the seriousness of what has happened to this once great nation.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
2.3  Tacos!  replied to  goose is back @2    7 months ago
They are just words.

This is a pathetic effort at defending the indefensible. The president of our country said these words as a threat. Given the fact that Trump started this war, and given the power of our military and its current status, it’s a highly credible threat. No one should even be attempting to excuse words such as these. If you are, then you have let partisanship define your morality.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
2.4  shona1  replied to  goose is back @2    7 months ago

Morning Goosey...you expect that from countries like Iran, North Korea, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan etc...and any other tin pot regime country...

We don't expect the crap that is coming out of your Presidents mouth these days.. especially when he slags off your supposed allies..

See he is flapping his gums about us again.. our response to him is...basically buggar off and up yours.. just wish you mob could have found someone who could shoot straight when they had the chance ..

Not quite sure what he expects us to do seeing we are 12,000 ks away..besides he says the US doesn't need any help and you can do it all yourselves..

We are just agreeing with him...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  shona1 @2.4    7 months ago

We have a serious partisan and/or cultish problem in the USA with Trump.   It is beyond many of us to try to understand what the magical attraction is to this psychopath.

The best hypothesis IMO is that Trump supporters care so much about Trump's opposition to the Ds that they are willing to overlook / defend most everything he says or does.    And even to their own detriment.   One would expect that even Trump supporters recognize that Trump's actions have raised prices (vs. his pledge to lower), damaged the global economy, engaged in vindictive lawfare and other measures, started an unnecessary war, raised the national debt, and squandered decades of good will and trust earned for the USA by prior administrations.

Irrational.  Irresponsible.  Unpatriotic.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
2.4.2  shona1  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.1    7 months ago

Morning tig..

Irrational, irresponsible and unpatriotic...under statement of the year..

When he first came to power we watched along with the rest of the world trying to work him out..

But we fast came to the conclusion that he is untrustworthy, cantankerous and dangerous...

What were you mob thinking voting the Bogan in for a second term?..

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  shona1 @2.4.2    7 months ago

I have no idea what got into those who voted for Trump.   He should have been recognized as unfit for the office when he opened his mouth in 2015.

But now, with all that he has said and done, that any rational mind supports this psychopath is inexplicable.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.4.4  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @2.4.3    7 months ago

but you have TDS /s

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.4.5  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2.4.4    7 months ago

Ironically, those who support a pathological liar, incompetent psychopath for PotUS are the ones claiming others are deranged for daring to criticize the weekly misdeeds by this buffoon.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
3  Hal A. Lujah    7 months ago

It was just locker room talk, that’s just his style of negotiating, blah blah blah say his despicable supporters.  Lol, I saw him being interviewed yesterday about how mad he is at Jerome Powell.  Trump says, “I don’t want to fire him because I don’t like to be controversial, but I think I’m going to have to fire him.”  I can’t stand to listen to this moron so badly that anytime his face is on my news channel I immediately turn off the tv and curse that channel for giving the biggest and most dangerous moron in world history a platform to be seen on.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    7 months ago

One can understand the desperation to deflect to a scapegoat when his government throws thousands of people in jail every year for social media posts, has destroyed its economy to the point where Great Britain is now poorer on a per capita basis than every single American state and is so weak that it has to borrow ships to complete the most basic of missions.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    7 months ago
his government throws thousands of people in jail every year for social media posts

That's the rumour, in 2024 it was all of 137.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hallux @4.1    7 months ago
hat's the rumour, in 2024 it was all of 137.

13,000 in 2024

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.1    7 months ago
AI Overview
Based on data from UK police forces and reports through early 2026, it is inaccurate to say that thousands of people are jailed (sentenced to prison) every year in Britain for social media posts, although thousands are arrested and investigated annually. 
While thousands are arrested for online communications, the number actually sent to prison is a small fraction of those arrests. 
Here is a breakdown of the facts based on available data:
Arrests vs. Jail Sentences
  • Arrests: In 2023, data obtained from 37 police forces showed over 12,000 arrests for offences under Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 and the Malicious Communications Act 1988, which cover "grossly offensive," threatening, or obscene online posts.
  • Imprisonment: Of those thousands arrested, only a small minority are prosecuted, and even fewer receive immediate custodial sentences. For example, in 2024, although thousands were investigated, only 137 people were sentenced to immediate imprisonment for malicious communication offenses.
  • Context: The vast majority of these arrests do not lead to imprisonment, and many do not even lead to charges, with suspects often released after questioning. 
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Hallux @4.1.2    7 months ago
r social media posts, although thousands are arrested 

Oh.. So that's fine then. Nothing wrong with arresting thousands of people a year for speech violations.    

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.2  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    7 months ago
One can understand the desperation to deflect to a scapegoat

It’s not a scapegoat when the person he is referring to actually did start a war that is impacting the global economy in the way he described. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tacos! @4.2    7 months ago

The policies he supports are why Britain is in the trouble it's in. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Expert
5  Gsquared    7 months ago
UK MP Edward Davey Calls Trump ‘No Leader of the Free World’

He's got that right.

 
 
 
Thomas
Professor Guide
5.1  Thomas  replied to  Gsquared @5    7 months ago
UK MP Edward Davey Calls Trump ‘No Leader of the Free World’

I prompted ChatGPT "I would like a list of facts buttressing the point, ie, show how Trump has reduced at least his stature to not be held as the leader of the free world". 

Here is a fact-based scaffold you can use to buttress Edward Davey’s claim that Trump is not functioning as “leader of the free world.”
I’ll keep it tight, structured, and grounded in observable actions and outcomes rather than rhetoric.

1. Breakdown of Alliance Leadership (NATO fractures)

  • NATO allies have refused to follow U.S. military initiatives , including declining to join a U.S.-led blockade of Iran and even denying overflight access ( Reuters )

  • Trump has publicly threatened withdrawal from NATO , triggering what experts describe as a historic crisis of trust ( The Guardian )

  • Even without withdrawal, analysts note he can cripple NATO cohesion and decision-making ( Axios )

Implication:
Leadership of the “free world” presumes coalition-building. Here, allies are actively resisting U.S. direction.


2. Loss of Allied Trust and Cooperation

  • European leaders increasingly view U.S. policy under Trump as unpredictable and destabilizing ( The Guardian )

  • Former allies, including right-wing populists who once supported him, are now distancing themselves or openly criticizing him ( The Washington Post )

  • His actions have led to doubt about U.S. commitments to partners , especially through tariffs and unilateral decisions ( Wikipedia )

Implication:
A “leader” sets direction others follow. Here, even ideological allies are stepping away.


3. Decline in U.S. Global Standing (Soft Power erosion)

  • The administration has reduced or dismantled institutions of U.S. influence (e.g., foreign aid, media, diplomacy arms) ( Wikipedia )

  • Global polling shows declining favorability of the United States , with some populations preferring China as a stabilizing power ( Wikipedia )

  • Policies emphasize transactional, narrow national interest over shared democratic values ( Wikipedia )

Implication:
“Leader of the free world” historically rested on both power and legitimacy. This shows erosion of the latter.


4. Shift from Multilateralism to Unilateral Action

  • Military actions (e.g., Iran conflict) were launched without consulting allies or invoking NATO mechanisms ( The Guardian )

  • Policy direction favors bilateral deals and coercive leverage over coordinated alliances ( Wikipedia )

  • The administration explicitly rejects international cooperation frameworks in favor of “America First” priorities ( Wikipedia )

Implication:
Leadership of a “free world” bloc implies coordination. This is a pivot toward unilateralism.


5. Open Conflict with Traditional Partners and Institutions

  • Public disputes extend beyond governments to religious and moral authorities (e.g., conflict with the Pope) ( New York Post )

  • Proposals like acquiring Greenland have triggered resentment among allies and accusations of neocolonial behavior ( Reuters )

  • Trade and defense rhetoric toward allies has been described as coercive or transactional rather than cooperative ( Wikipedia )

Implication:
This is not just divergence; it is active friction with the very coalition a “leader” would unify .


6. Historical Context: The Role Itself Is Conditional

  • The concept of “leader of the free world” depends on accepted leadership within a democratic alliance system , not just U.S. power ( Wikipedia )

  • Analysts have previously argued the U.S. can “abdicate” that role when it withdraws from alliance leadership or shared values ( Wikipedia )

Implication:
The title is not automatic. It is contingent on behavior that sustains alliance cohesion and legitimacy.


Bottom Line

  • Allies are not following U.S. leadership

  • Trust in U.S. commitments is eroding

  • U.S. global influence and legitimacy are declining

  • Policy has shifted from coalition leadership → unilateral action

  • Even ideological allies are distancing themselves

That is not what “leader of the free world” looks like in practice.


He wants control and money and does not care what he destroys to gain those objectives, even though his methods of consolidating the two causes a decrease in the control he has. Sure is getting rich from his graft and corruption, though. He's not going to be around that much longer so, like I said, he doesn't care.

 
 

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