This guy is the CEO of Answers In Genesis — a substantial force for a successful, organized misinformation campaign to keep people holding to a literal interpretation of the Bible as divine truth.
Is this really what we want our next generation to think is the truth?
Yes we do. He is telling the truth. He leads a great scientific organization. He is a very good person to lead the debate on behalf of the true science reality of divine creation and origins.
He leads a great scientific organization. He is a very good person to lead the debate on behalf of the true science reality of divine creation and origins.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out valid scientific recognition and credentials of Mr. Hamm and AIG?
And millions of Americans accept the crap he peddles. That is what is most disturbing. It is not just one individual on a social media site but millions.
And millions of Americans accept the crap he peddles. That is what is most disturbing. It is not just one individual on a social media site but millions.
And according to the millions of Americans who accept that crap, the crap is "truth." Anything else is simply ignored, especially if it refutes their idea of "truth." Disturbing indeed. Not to mention just intellectually lazy and delusional.
To me it is also offensive since AiG, et. al. are funded and organized with the objective of dumbing down the next generation to continue their stupidity. They cannot exist without supporters who believe this nonsense.
A geological " signature of the extinction event 66million years ago that ended the Cretacious era and started the Tertiary period.
is a thin band of soil from the event that geologist recognize as being from the dust cloud of a large asteroid hitting the earth just off the Yucatan peninsula.
Somehow it morphed from being the C-T line to the K-T line...because it is also called the K-Pg line.
Answers In Genesis — a substantial force for a successful, organized misinformation campaign to keep people holding to a literal interpretation of the Bible as divine truth.
The level of stupid is astounding. It's like they try to get people to completely disconnect from reality and rational thinking.
Ham has been practicing this stupidity for decades and has a large organization behind him inventing new stupidity each week. One can generate quite an ark load of stupidity with that amount of time and effort.
Ham has been practicing this stupidity for decades and has a large organization behind him inventing new stupidity each week. One can generate quite an ark load of stupidity with that amount of time and effort.
And people buy into the stupid and become stupid themselves. It's one of the greatest scams of all time.
A fellow dentist took his kids to the Creation "Museum". Most dental school enrollees have bachelor's degrees in either biology or chemistry, so they damned well should know better. And yet this guy still thought that Ham's explanation of how we came to be was a "reasonable alternative."
When people who are educated in science hold fantasy to be as valuable as scientific fact, we have a problem.
My long standing opinion is that intelligence does not protect an individual from being ensnared by religion.
AiG has Ph.Ds on their payroll. One ( Dr. Jeanson ) got his Ph. D. from Harvard (as opposed to an online 'university') and by that fact alone is no dummy. Yet he is a lifelong YEC:
Dr. Nathaniel Jeanson holds a PhD in cell and developmental Biology from Harvard University. He serves as a research biologist, author, and speaker with Answers in Genesis and formerly conducted research with the Institute for Creation Research.
AiG also has geologists like Dr. Snelling who can show the Grand Canyon was formed by Noah's flood several thousand years ago:
Dr . Andrew Snelling holds a PhD in geology from the University of Sydney, Australia . He serves as Answers in Genesis’ Director of Research and is the Editor-in-Chief of the online Answers Research Journal . Dr . Snelling is active in research and writes and also speaks on topics such as the Flood, fossils, and the Grand Canyon.
Oh, by the way, Dr. Snelling dismisses all geological hypotheses regarding the formation of the Grand Canyon. His answer: Noah's flood did it.
My net is this. If someone really wants something to be true, there are plenty of ways to preserve that belief. Confirmation bias being one of the best methods after indoctrination.
Sub 1 MOA. .62 green tips out of my custom AR. at 500 is always a good bet. It's cool living out on the prairie where I can get away with thousand yard shots.
Sub 1 MOA. .62 green tips out of my custom AR. at 500 is always a good bet.
Not against a hungry dinosaur it's not. More likely something a bit larger than a .600 Nitro Express, say maybe a 20mm Okerlion.
Silly, though, everyone knows what killed off the dinosaurs; it was the Martians with their Q32 Space Modulator. They'd have got us too if that damned rabbit hadn't stolen the Space Modulator.
Dinosaurs were not destroyed by the flood-- in fact they've lived in some parts of the world in recent times. (This guy obviously has never movie "Jurassic Park"!)
So what are the actual facts-- what really killed all the Dinosaurs?
Well, it should be obvious!!!
Who (or what?) killed all the Dinosaurs?
Its obvious-- the main source of pure evil today: HILLARY CLINTON!!!
If the damned gubmint would end the cover-up and investigate Hillary's emails..well.. let's just say the incriminating evidence is all there-- in black and white!
Which ones? I remember the one where Voyager is beamed into a giant city-sized ship controlled by bipedal dinosaurs, the descendants of our dinosaurs. What was the other?
"Tattoo", where Chakotay crash lands yet another shuttle (how many did they have, anyway?) on a planet where the ancestors of the rubber tree people (his tribe's ancestors) lived. Neelix nearly loses an eye to a hawk, IIRC. I guess they brought those along to Earth with them.
"Tattoo", where Chakotay crash lands yet another shuttle (how many did they have, anyway?)
I vaguely remember that one. I know there were a few Chakotay history episodes. And I think it was Tuvok who was the worst when it came to crashing shuttles. Fortunately, the Delta Flyer solves that problem.
Just saw an interesting article about this a few minutes ago...
WASHINGTON — New research released Friday captures a fossilized snapshot of the day nearly 66 million years ago when an asteroid smacked Earth, fire rained from the sky and the ground shook far worse than any modern earthquake.
It was the day that nearly all life on Earth went extinct, including the dinosaurs.
The researchers say they found evidence in North Dakota of the asteroid hit in Mexico, including fish with hot glass in their gills from flaming debris that showered back down on Earth. They also reported the discovery of charred trees, evidence of an inland tsunami and melted amber.
Separately, University of Amsterdam's Jan Smit disclosed that he and his colleagues even found dinosaur footsteps from just before their demise.
Honestly, I think my explanation to my students when I was teaching Faith Formation (when I still was a Christian) was a hell of a lot more believable.
I told them that we have no idea how long god's days were. So one day could be a million years.
Sigh - so glad to be out from under neath that restriction... (the Bible)
I told them that we have no idea how long god's days were. So one day could be a million years.
Based on what we actually know about the universe it might have been more accurate to tell them each day would have had to have been at least 2.4 billion years... but then again, getting the numbers to line up with facts in a fantasy story isn't really helping anyone, it's just reinforcing the delusion.
Sorry, TiG, I got to about 30 seconds when he said dinosaurs lived alongside Adam and Eve 6000 thousand years ago and I could hear my brain cells dying.
I live among Christians who believe everything was poofed into existence in its current form. Nothing has evolved. The fossils are unique species that existed and died. They believe that life forms on this planet are not related. The time frame (whether 1 day or millions of years) does not seem to matter to most of them. Their major concern seems to be a belief that they are living in the "end of days", not about life's origins.
So, here's an example of someone taking a line of scripture, ignoring everything around it, and using it to promote something ridiculous: Ham references Job 40:15-17
Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly! 17 Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
and claims that the "Behemoth" mentioned there is a sauropod dinosaur. This:
He does this because the word "cedar" appears there, and I guess Ham figures that can only refer to the thick trunk of the tree, which - yes - would be like a sauropod's tail. But the line doesn't say anything about the trunk. It says the tail " sways like a cedar." Nothing about thickness. Here's some swaying cedars:
He is also ignoring the rest of the description in verses 16-23, which read in part (21-23):
Under the lotus plants it lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. 22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround it. 23 A raging river does not alarm it; it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
It's hard to picture a sauropod lying under lotus plants in a marsh or chilling in a river. But you know what does?
Hippos graze on land; they do not eat while in the water and aren’t known to graze on aquatic plants. They prefer short, creeping grass and small green shoots and reeds. While they will eat other vegetation if it’s there, they tend to avoid coarser grasses that are more difficult to digest, and do not root in the dirt for buried roots or fruits.
And you might think their tails sway like a cedar. Or maybe you don't. the Bible is full of poetry. (I'm not posting a picture of a hippo's butt. Just forget it.)
Not for a year they couldn’t. Nor would it be likely that they could have flown through the type of storms that generated the rain needed to cover the earth.
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This guy is the CEO of Answers In Genesis — a substantial force for a successful, organized misinformation campaign to keep people holding to a literal interpretation of the Bible as divine truth.
Is this really what we want our next generation to think is the truth?
Yes we do. He is telling the truth. He leads a great scientific organization. He is a very good person to lead the debate on behalf of the true science reality of divine creation and origins.
Did you watch the video?
He is delusional. The earth is older than 6,000 years. The organization he leads is full of crack pots.
Talk about the dumbing down of America.
Really? Where?
Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out valid scientific recognition and credentials of Mr. Hamm and AIG?
I would say that applies to all YEC and even Flat Earthers too.
And millions of Americans accept the crap he peddles. That is what is most disturbing. It is not just one individual on a social media site but millions.
And according to the millions of Americans who accept that crap, the crap is "truth." Anything else is simply ignored, especially if it refutes their idea of "truth." Disturbing indeed. Not to mention just intellectually lazy and delusional.
( Can you believe this? )
What are Ham's credentials? Does he have a PhD in Biochemistry, Biology, Archeology????
To me it is also offensive since AiG, et. al. are funded and organized with the objective of dumbing down the next generation to continue their stupidity. They cannot exist without supporters who believe this nonsense.
He was a high school science teacher in Australia many decades ago.
He got fired and deported, didn't he?
He has a BS in BS.
If I were an education official in Australia at the time I might have voted for such action.
I think over the decades he has justifiably earned an honorary Ph.D. in creative bullshit.
He's the J.K. Rowling of the bible fiction/fantasy genre.
"But how do you get around the radiometric dating of fossils and the problem with geological evidence showing no signs of a global flood?"
"Expelliarmus! Ha, I've disarmed you! You no longer have any fossil evidence or sedimentary layer evidence! Now try to prove the flood didn't happen!"
"No, all the evidence is still right there, none of it disappeared..."
"Alohomora..!"
"Nope, still nothing..."
"Wingardium Leviosa!"
"Try again, all the evidence is still here..."
The J.K. Rowling of Bible fiction. I have to keep that one in my arsenal.
He earned a BS in 'Applied Science' in 1974 and did another year to earn his Diploma in Education, basically his teaching certificate, in 1975.
His degree is the equivalent of a BS in engineering.
He taught science for approximately 4 years before starting his creationist media companies.
He is rather frequently treated with derisive humor in the Aussie press.
So is asking a Crocodile what happened to the dinosaurs allowed?
Do Crocodiles understand what the K-T line is?
I don't understand what the K-T line is
I work with plenty of engineers who are YEC'ers.
A colleague of mine reminded me the other day that engineers are not scientists. We were basically discussing this same subject
A geological " signature of the extinction event 66million years ago that ended the Cretacious era and started the Tertiary period.
is a thin band of soil from the event that geologist recognize as being from the dust cloud of a large asteroid hitting the earth just off the Yucatan peninsula.
Somehow it morphed from being the C-T line to the K-T line...because it is also called the K-Pg line.
Thank-you. I'm always willing to learn something new
Some meteorites have iridium at levels hundreds of times higher than the earth's crust
and this thin band of material, which can be found worldwide, has tens to hundreds of times more iridium than normal.
4.543 billion years for Earth and 4.571 for the solar system (so I'm told. Wasn't there).
And the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Small numbers to a chemist.
The level of stupid is astounding. It's like they try to get people to completely disconnect from reality and rational thinking.
Ham has been practicing this stupidity for decades and has a large organization behind him inventing new stupidity each week. One can generate quite an ark load of stupidity with that amount of time and effort.
And people buy into the stupid and become stupid themselves. It's one of the greatest scams of all time.
A fellow dentist took his kids to the Creation "Museum". Most dental school enrollees have bachelor's degrees in either biology or chemistry, so they damned well should know better. And yet this guy still thought that Ham's explanation of how we came to be was a "reasonable alternative."
When people who are educated in science hold fantasy to be as valuable as scientific fact, we have a problem.
My long standing opinion is that intelligence does not protect an individual from being ensnared by religion.
AiG has Ph.Ds on their payroll. One ( Dr. Jeanson ) got his Ph. D. from Harvard (as opposed to an online 'university') and by that fact alone is no dummy. Yet he is a lifelong YEC:
AiG also has geologists like Dr. Snelling who can show the Grand Canyon was formed by Noah's flood several thousand years ago:
Oh, by the way, Dr. Snelling dismisses all geological hypotheses regarding the formation of the Grand Canyon. His answer: Noah's flood did it.
My net is this. If someone really wants something to be true, there are plenty of ways to preserve that belief. Confirmation bias being one of the best methods after indoctrination.
I work with someone who has a Master's in geology and believes in the YEC theory.
They just close their minds and tell themselves "God did it! Amen!" and need never have another thought about it.
Curios as to what the rational folk of the county think.
You mean a "reasonable alternative" like this :
This guy liked Genie as an alternative. But then, I guess most guys would ;D
Some of us believe our parents and some of us rebel. Some of us a little of both.
Literalist Bible believing Christians are the rational people in this country.
Per your claim, all other (non-literalist) Christians are irrational.
Not even a little.
Weird how it takes more skill and training to be a auto mechanic than it does to be a Dr.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he actually thinks that.
didn't humans kill them all with ar15s?
Have yet to kill anything with my AR-15, but it is much like holding a warm fuzzy blanket. Pretty sure that it is my duty as an American to own one.
Sub 1 MOA. .62 green tips out of my custom AR. at 500 is always a good bet. It's cool living out on the prairie where I can get away with thousand yard shots.
Not against a hungry dinosaur it's not. More likely something a bit larger than a .600 Nitro Express, say maybe a 20mm Okerlion.
Silly, though, everyone knows what killed off the dinosaurs; it was the Martians with their Q32 Space Modulator. They'd have got us too if that damned rabbit hadn't stolen the Space Modulator.
Never trusted Marvin the Martian or Bugs Bunny but always loved the Q-36 Space Modulator.
"Explosive" space modulator. Very handy for removing planets that obstruct one's views of Venus.
This is total bullshit!
Dinosaurs were not destroyed by the flood-- in fact they've lived in some parts of the world in recent times. (This guy obviously has never movie "Jurassic Park"!)
So what are the actual facts-- what really killed all the Dinosaurs?
Well, it should be obvious!!!
Who (or what?) killed all the Dinosaurs?
Its obvious-- the main source of pure evil today: HILLARY CLINTON!!!
If the damned gubmint would end the cover-up and investigate Hillary's emails..well.. let's just say the incriminating evidence is all there-- in black and white!
A science teacher's nightmare.
They got back in their spaceships and flew the $@#% home.
That's the best explanation yet!
They had a tv show first.
Didn't humans kill them all off with their ar15's
Fred and Barney just got hungry after bowling.
I think that is similar to a plot in an episode of Star trek: Voyager.
Two episodes that I can remember.
Which ones? I remember the one where Voyager is beamed into a giant city-sized ship controlled by bipedal dinosaurs, the descendants of our dinosaurs. What was the other?
"Tattoo", where Chakotay crash lands yet another shuttle (how many did they have, anyway?) on a planet where the ancestors of the rubber tree people (his tribe's ancestors) lived. Neelix nearly loses an eye to a hawk, IIRC. I guess they brought those along to Earth with them.
I vaguely remember that one. I know there were a few Chakotay history episodes. And I think it was Tuvok who was the worst when it came to crashing shuttles. Fortunately, the Delta Flyer solves that problem.
Nothing scarier than a Tribble!
Just saw an interesting article about this a few minutes ago...
Guys like this talk about taking God at his word and then invent stuff to add to the Bible that isn't there.
OMG! I actually agree with you.
What a grifter.
Honestly, I think my explanation to my students when I was teaching Faith Formation (when I still was a Christian) was a hell of a lot more believable.
I told them that we have no idea how long god's days were. So one day could be a million years.
Sigh - so glad to be out from under neath that restriction... (the Bible)
Based on what we actually know about the universe it might have been more accurate to tell them each day would have had to have been at least 2.4 billion years... but then again, getting the numbers to line up with facts in a fantasy story isn't really helping anyone, it's just reinforcing the delusion.
Sorry, TiG, I got to about 30 seconds when he said dinosaurs lived alongside Adam and Eve 6000 thousand years ago and I could hear my brain cells dying.
I tried
It certainly gave me a headache.
Which part of humor don't I get.
Yeah, why chance it? Better to waste those cells on beer and at least get something of value.
Exactly! A real headache aka hangover!
HYDRATE!
LOL, and true as well.
I live among Christians who believe everything was poofed into existence in its current form. Nothing has evolved. The fossils are unique species that existed and died. They believe that life forms on this planet are not related. The time frame (whether 1 day or millions of years) does not seem to matter to most of them. Their major concern seems to be a belief that they are living in the "end of days", not about life's origins.
So, here's an example of someone taking a line of scripture, ignoring everything around it, and using it to promote something ridiculous: Ham references Job 40:15-17
and claims that the "Behemoth" mentioned there is a sauropod dinosaur. This:
He does this because the word "cedar" appears there, and I guess Ham figures that can only refer to the thick trunk of the tree, which - yes - would be like a sauropod's tail. But the line doesn't say anything about the trunk. It says the tail " sways like a cedar." Nothing about thickness. Here's some swaying cedars:
He is also ignoring the rest of the description in verses 16-23, which read in part (21-23):
It's hard to picture a sauropod lying under lotus plants in a marsh or chilling in a river. But you know what does?
They also eat grass like an ox.
And you might think their tails sway like a cedar. Or maybe you don't. the Bible is full of poetry. (I'm not posting a picture of a hippo's butt. Just forget it.)
I hear they are easily pissed off so that's probably for the best.
Not for a year they couldn’t. Nor would it be likely that they could have flown through the type of storms that generated the rain needed to cover the earth.
They are all living in the mythical kingdom of Jeffersonia. In fact the Ark is on Lake Shasta unloading them as we speak.
The should be roaming down the streets of Redding soon.
Ken Ham is a dinosaur...