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'Tip of the iceberg': Experts pounce on Trump nuclear secrets bombshell - Raw Story

  
Via:  Devangelical  •  8 months ago  •  43 comments

By:   David McAfee

'Tip of the iceberg': Experts pounce on Trump nuclear secrets bombshell - Raw Story
ABC News reported on Thursday that ex-president Donald Trump had shared nuclear secrets with a billionaire at his golf club, and experts were quick to react to how the report could affect Trump's current criminal case on classified document handling.Trump, who has denied all wrongdoing in the Florid...

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ABC News reported on Thursday that ex-president Donald Trump had shared nuclear secrets with a billionaire at his golf club, and experts were quick to react to how the report could affect Trump's current criminal case on classified document handling.

Trump, who has denied all wrongdoing in the Florida case brought by special counsel Jack Smith, has already weathered numerous reports about his purported sharing of confidential information. In this case, Trump is accused of sharing secret U.S. nuclear submarine details with a foreign national.

Reporter Molly Jong-Fast had a simple reply to the breaking news. "GOP front runner," she wrote Thursday.

Conservative lawyer and anti-Trump activist George Conway had this to say:

"Everyone who has accused P01135809 of selling the nation's secrets should profusely apologize. Out of innate charity, he gives them away for free," he wrote Thursday.

Reed Galen, co-founder of the anti-Trump group The Lincoln Project, also chimed in:

"Disclosure of classified/secret/ts/sci information is a crime, too, I believer (sic). Where are my #natsec folks?" he wrote.

Former FBI agent Asha Rangappa had a unique take on the situation:

"Just a reminder that Trump had multiple meetings with Putin with no other American officials present. I'm sure it was fine though," she wrote Thursday.

CNN anchor Jim Sciutto said, "There is no more sensitive intelligence to the U.S., Russia and China today than that relating to submarine capabilities and detection."

Author and journalist David Rothkopf wrote on his social media that "For sure this is the tip of the iceberg of this sort of thing. He didn't keep all those classified docs because his inner archivist demanded it. It was because he saw value in them...and the value came from sharing the information with people who shouldn't have it."


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devangelical
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1  seeder  devangelical    8 months ago

"as soon as I disclosed america's national secrets to anyone, they were declassified"...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1    8 months ago

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @1.1    8 months ago

Has this story been substantiated from a trusted source?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.2  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    8 months ago

I seriously doubt that this story would appear in any sources you trust.

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
1.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    8 months ago

What would be a trusted source?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.1.4  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1.1.3    8 months ago

please, staying on topic is difficult enough for some...

 
 
 
George
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1.1.5  George  replied to  Hallux @1.1.3    8 months ago

Lets start with the basics, Who is making the claim? who is willing to go on record and say, I heard Donald Trump say X!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.1    8 months ago
Has this story been substantiated from a trusted source?

You'll have to wait. Breitbart and InfoWars havent been heard from yet. 

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
1.1.7  Hallux  replied to  George @1.1.5    8 months ago
Lets start with the basics

Sure, have I stated support for the story anywhere?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.6    8 months ago

Or the former 'president' which is where they get the majority of their PD&D and talking points.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1    8 months ago

Time and time again the treasonous/traitorous scum says 'I did nothing wrong'

JFC

and the endless defense of the indefensible continues

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  George @1.1.5    8 months ago

A bunch of Australians?

At least 45?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.11  cjcold  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    8 months ago

Thought far-right malfeasance was the topic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1    8 months ago

the traitor scum shared top secret documents/classified with every Tom, Dick, and Ivan

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    8 months ago

We should find out if he's had any , or how many, private phone calls he has had with Putin since he left office. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2    8 months ago

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George
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2.1.1  George  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    8 months ago

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afrayedknot
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2.2  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @2    8 months ago

I’m sure Jim Jordan will be on the case. Oh, wait…only if Hunter was in on the call. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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3  Snuffy    8 months ago

If true he needs to be held accountable.  But this is a typical story from our lame-stream media that offers no evidence, only accusations.

 
 
 
George
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4  George    8 months ago

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Drakkonis
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5  Drakkonis    8 months ago
In emails and conversations after meeting with Trump, Pratt described Trump's remarks to at least 45 others, including six journalists, 11 of his company's employees, 10 Australian officials, and three former Australian prime ministers, the sources told ABC News. (Sorce: ABC News, Trump allefedly discussed US nuclear subs with foreign national after leaving White House.)

While I can see Trump doing something like this I found the quote above a bit odd to digest. The relevant part would be the six reporters, 10 Australian officials and three former Australian Prime Ministers. I find it a little hard to believe that six reporters apparently knew about this but either didn't publish anything about it or, if they did, no one noticed? (Remember, this allegedly occurred in April of 2021) And while maybe the 10 Australian officials were the equivalent of dog catchers, the three former Prime Ministers surely knew the importance of this. I mean, this Pratt guy seems to have told anyone who would listen to him, apparently. And who knows how many people all those other people told? 

Like I said, I could see Trump doing it, but doesn't the two and a half years seem a bit strange to anyone else? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Drakkonis @5    8 months ago

it only sounds strange to his cult/followers/enablers/supporters

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.1.1  Drakkonis  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    8 months ago
it only sounds strange to his cult/followers/enablers/supporters

Untrue, since I don't want Trump as president any more than I want Biden, and I think it's strange. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6  sandy-2021492    8 months ago
Conservative lawyer and anti-Trump activist George Conway had this to say: "Everyone who has accused P01135809 of selling the nation's secrets should profusely apologize. Out of innate charity, he gives them away for free," he wrote Thursday.

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JohnRussell
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7  JohnRussell    8 months ago

ABC News is reporting that Trump does not dispute the truth of the story. 

A Trump spokesperson says the story lacks "context" and that Trump did nothing wrong. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 months ago

It was a "perfect" exchange of classified information. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    8 months ago
A Trump spokesperson said that what ABC News was told -- through what the spokesperson called "leaks" -- lacks "proper context and relevant information."

"President Trump did nothing wrong, has always insisted on truth and transparency, and acted in a proper manner, according to the law," the spokesperson said.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 months ago

I'm interested to see the "context" that excuses this.  "Trump did nothing wrong" is generally his lawyers' attempt to assert that "Trump is above the law."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.2    8 months ago
"President Trump did nothing wrong, has always insisted on truth and transparency, and acted in a proper manner, according to the law," the spokesperson said.

I think you are correct Sandy. 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
7.3  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7    8 months ago
ABC News

I guess ABC news should be tried for treason. 

Measuring two football fields in length and weighing 18,000 tons, the massive submarine carries 20 Trident 2 D5 missiles capable of striking targets up to 4,000 miles away.

Each missile is capable of holding up to 12 nuclear warheads -- one reason why these submarines are able to carry about 70% of the nation's active nuclear arsenal allowed by the New START Treaty.

Inside the submarine capable of launching nuclear missiles - ABC News (go.com)

Fucking hypocrites. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.3    8 months ago

Show us that that was classified information. 

 
 
 
George
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7.3.2  George  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.1    8 months ago

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Hallux
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7.3.3  Hallux  replied to  George @7.3    8 months ago
Fucking hypocrites.

Had this story been about Biden the cacophony coming from you would have been deafening.

 
 
 
George
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7.3.4  George  replied to  George @7.3.2    8 months ago

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Texan1211
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7.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  George @7.3.4    8 months ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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7.3.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  George @7.3.4    8 months ago

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JohnRussell
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7.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  George @7.3    8 months ago
Each missile is capable of holding up to 12 nuclear warheads -- one reason why these submarines are able to carry about 70% of the nation's active nuclear arsenal allowed by the New START Treaty.

I believe I am correct about this - Trump is alleged to have given the exact number of missiles the subs carry, not an "up to" figure. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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7.3.8  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.7    8 months ago
I believe I am correct about this - Trump is alleged to have given the exact number of missiles the subs carry, not an "up to" figure.

Since everyone is ignoring my comment in 5 above...

Alleged. So, okay, fine. Here's my problem with all of this. This alleged event happened two and a half years ago. If true, numerous people were told about it, probably the most relevant were six reporters and three former Prime Ministers of Australia, who would undoubtedly understand the seriousness of the breach of security. 

Now the only thing I can definitively state about this is, apparently, this is the first the public has heard of this. If Trump actually did this then that's pretty bad, but I think you guys don't understand just how bad this may be. There are questions that need to be answered that, depending on the answer, may indicate failure or conspiracy on the part of others that would be just as bad as what Trump is alleged to have done. Important questions need answers. Some of the most obvious, to me at least, would be...

  1. According to the ABC article I quoted, Pratt began telling at least some people about what Trump is alleged to have told him at the same event in which Pratt was told. Over the course of time, whom else did he tell and when? 
  2. Of the six reporters he told, did any of them publish that information? 
  3. What, exactly, did Pratt pass on? That Trump told him details about the subs but did not pass on specifics? 
  4. At what point did security agencies of the US become aware of this? 

These are just a few of the questions that need answers.

And for those of you who think I'm trying to defend Trump or deflect from the hate fest in some way, you seriously need to take a step back from your emotions, prejudices and fantasies and listen to what I'm trying to tell you. If Trump actually did this I'd be first in line to nail Trump's balls to whatever AOC's favorite conservative torture device she has in her hidden dungeon. 

But, for the love of truth, think about the many questions this thing demands. Perhaps the most important question is number four, because no matter how you slice it, it looks pretty bad to me. Either our security agencies knew of this and sat on information concerning a former president blabbing national security secrets to just anyone or they were blindsided by all of this. 

Two and a half years, people! If Trump really did this then think of what that means. Put it on a scale. At some point, security agencies of the US had to become aware of this at some point. In one scenario, those agencies knew about this almost immediately. The other end of the scale is that they didn't know until we did, or close enough it makes no difference. 

If the security agencies knew of this almost immediately, that's very bad. That would mean that they sat on the information for two and a half years while a former president was apparently divulging national security information. But the closer we get to the other end of the scale, that is , blindsided, it would mean our security services were so bad they missed a civilian telling six reporters and three former Prime Ministers of Australia being told secrets about our subs. 

Am I the only one seeing this???

 
 
 
GregTx
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7.3.9  GregTx  replied to  Drakkonis @7.3.8    8 months ago

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cjcold
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7.3.10  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.7    8 months ago

The problem being that Trump has a big mouth and no sense of what classified means. 

Trump is just a child who tries to impress assholes.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8  JohnRussell    8 months ago

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JohnRussell
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9  JohnRussell    8 months ago

It's pretty simple, Pratt wanted something for his 200,000 dollar membership fee to Maralago. 

Trump aims to please. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9    8 months ago

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