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Jack Smith shows his cards just in time: January 6 case looks like the winning hand against Trump | Salon.com

  
Via:  Devangelical  •  3 weeks ago  •  31 comments

By:   Austin Sarat

Jack Smith shows his cards just in time: January 6 case looks like the winning hand against Trump | Salon.com
Smith's filing comes at a crucial time, weeks before Election Day

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Jack Smith's latest filing in the election interference case against Donald Trump contains explosive reminders and bombshell revelations about the former president's conduct following his 2020 election loss that would have made even Niccolo Machiavelli blush. In his famous 16th-century book The Prince, Machiavelli lays out an ultra-pragmatic, no-holds-barred account of how to succeed in politics. Reading it, like Smith's 165-page response to Trump's claim of presidential immunity, is not for the faint at heart. Smith, like Machiavelli, pulled no punches.

Smith has exposed the truth of what Trump did and, in so doing, punches holes in Trump's deceptions and delusions.

"A man who wishes to make a profession of goodness in everything must necessarily come to grief among so many who are not good," Machiavelli cautioned his readers."Hence it is necessary for a prince wishing to maintain his position to know how to do wrong, and to make use of it or not according to necessity."

Whatever else it is, Smith's filing is not short on details.

Smith's filing suggests that Trump surely knew "how to do wrong" in his quest to "maintain his power" despite a democratic decision to oust him from the Oval Office. As Smith puts it in simple straightforward prose, Trump "resorted to crimes to cling to power."

Coming one day after the vice presidential debate, the filing is a devastating rebuttal of Republican Sen. JD Vance's Orwellian effort to turn the horrible and violent events of January 6 into just another step in the peaceful transfer of power. "On January the 20th, what happened?" Vance said during the debate in an effort to push past the violent Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. "Joe Biden became the president. Donald Trump left the White House."

This accounting was, as the New York Times observes, "short a few details — the violence, the deaths and injuries, the alleged criminal scheming, the 'Hang Mike Pence' of it all."

Whatever else it is, Smith's filing is not short on details. As a result, it makes an important contribution to our collective understanding of how close we came to losing our democracy and of Trump's central role in the coordinated efforts carried out by the sycophants, courtiers, and corrupt lawyers who did his bidding. Reading it is like returning to the scene of a disaster. We are invited to relive the trauma. Sometimes that is what being a citizen in a democracy demands —especially so in the age of Trump.

It turns out that being such a citizen also is not for the faint at heart.

Smith's filing follows on the monumental report of the January 6 Committee, Smith's August 2023 indictment of Trump for his role in January 6 and the superseding indictment handed down one year later. His latest filing is the work of a wizard of legal craftsmanship. Smith carefully weaves his way through the intricacies of the Supreme Court's infamous decision about presidential immunity.

That decision seemed at the time it was handed down like a get-out-of-jail-free card for Donald Trump. But despair not. What the Supreme Court giveth, Jack Smith could take away.

To those who thought that the immunity decision would leave Smith nothing to prosecute, his new filing asks in essence "what can be retained?" The answer: Just about everything.

As the filing states, "The defendant asserts that he is immune from prosecution for his criminal scheme to overturn the 2020 presidential election because, he claims, it entailed official conduct." "Not so," Smith insists.

"Although the defendant was the incumbent President during the charged conspiracies," Smith explains, "his scheme was fundamentally a private one. Working with a team of private co-conspirators, the defendant acted as a candidate when he pursued multiple criminal means to disrupt, through fraud and deceit, the government function by which votes are collected and counted—a function in which the defendant, as President, had no official role."

Smith makes clear that the charges, which could very well land Trump in jail, are not going away. He reveals powerful evidence to show "the defendant's and co-conspirators' knowingly false claims of election fraud." He claims that "They used these lies in furtherance of… a conspiracy against the rights of millions of Americans to vote and have their votes counted."

And then delivering a body blow to Trump's immunity claim, Smith asserts that "At its core, the defendant's scheme was a private criminal effort. In his capacity as a candidate, the defendant used deceit to target every stage of the electoral process… "

As Smith details that scheme, he offers gems on almost every page. Let me note a few highlights, starting with what we learn about former Vice President Mike Pence's grand jury testimony. Pence seems to have mounted a campaign to flatter and cajole Trump into giving up on his lies about the 2020 election and accepting defeat. On page 13 of the filing, Smith recounts the steps that Pence took.

At a "private lunch on November 12….Pence reiterated a face-saving option for the defendant: "don't concede but recognize the process is over." Four days later, Smith notes, "Pence tried to encourage the defendant to accept the results of the election and run again in 2024, to which the defendant responded, 'I don't know, 2024 is so far off."' Not to be deterred, Pence tried again on December 21, when he "'encouraged' the defendant 'not to look at the election 'as a loss — just an intermission.'"

But Trump turned the Machiavellian tables on Pence. As Machiavelli warned, the ruler must not be taken in by flatterers. And this time, Trump was not taken in.

"The defendant disregarded," Smith says, "Pence in the same way that he disregarded dozens of court decisions that unanimously rejected his and his allies' legal claims, and that he disregarded officials in the targeted states—including those in his own party—who stated publicly that he had lost and that his specific fraud allegations were false."

On January 6, when Trump learned from an aide that Pence had to be hustled to a secure location in the Capitol as the mob he dispatched chanted "Hang Mike Pence," the former president showed his callous ruthlessness when he responded, "so what?"

Shocking but not surprising. Machiavelli would be smiling.

Smith arrays these facts in a narrative driven by the need to convince Federal District Court Judge Tanya Chutkin that what Trump did was not done in his capacity as president, but rather as a candidate for office. Smith contends, after scrupulously parsing the Supreme Court's immunity decision, that Trump's conduct "was not official, and, in the alternative, that the Government has rebutted any presumptive immunity for any of the remaining conduct that the Court finds to be official."

Whatever Chutkin ultimately decides, Smith's filing comes at a crucial time, with little more than a month before Election Day. It should help Americans decide whether to trust their fate to Machiavelli's disciple, this time seemingly unleashed by the Supreme Court.


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devangelical
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1  seeder  devangelical    3 weeks ago

happy october maga, surprise!

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1    3 weeks ago

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devangelical
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1.1.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.1    3 weeks ago

I'm enjoying watching jack smith manipulate weaker legal minds that have attained their lofty positions based not upon legal scholarship and reverence to US law, but upon political and religious ideology.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @1    3 weeks ago

As this unfolds, notice how none of them will claim Trump is innocent. They will say the prosecutor is corrupt, or stupid, and the judge is a "Trump hater" or a communist, or something, and that Biden is behind it, and it is DOJ "lawfare".  But none will say Trump is innocent on the facts. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    3 weeks ago
As this unfolds, notice how none of them will claim Trump is innocent. They will say the prosecutor is corrupt, or stupid, and the judge is a "Trump hater" or a communist, or something, and that Biden is behind it, and it is DOJ "lawfare".  But none will say Trump is innocent on the facts. 

This is all on display on another seed right now. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.2.2  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

It's a whine fest.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Gsquared @1.2.2    3 weeks ago

We have to get some cheese to go with the whine. There is plenty of cheese in cheesehead country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
it's always hilarious when testimony from republicans bring other republicans to justice ...

That is the thing here. When Trump eventually goes on trial for this the witness stand will be a parade of former Trump officials who worked with him in the White House or were close political associates , who are going to testify under oath to his wrongdoing. At the J6 committee hearings, which much of Jack Smith's findings derives from, the witnesses were almost exclusively people who had been Trump supporters. When people who have previously liked and admired you say , under oath, that you did something really bad, you probably did something really bad. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

that's the beauty of the J6 investigation by the house and now this indictment by the DOJ and jack smith. maga throwing maga under the bus ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago
Smith asserts that "At its core, the defendant's scheme was a private criminal effort

Not that MAGA cares. They have already called it all lies and a hoax. I have just one question for our MAGA residents....do you want to live under a dictatorship like the way it's done in Russia and North Korea? Because that is what your dear leader wants

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    3 weeks ago

I'm going to do my patriotic duty and vote. whatever happens after that, happens, and I'll deal with it then.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @3.1    3 weeks ago

Same. Meanwhile, I need to clean my pistol

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.2  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

I'm ready to rock and roll. I even bought 2 specialized tools for the potential future and I'm looking for a 3rd.

 
 
 
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3.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

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Trout Giggles
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3.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

I can't seem to get .380 ammo. Mr Giggles has been looking

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.5  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

I've got a ton of that and 9mm too. all hollow points I dremel tooled to turn into 4 point stars on impact. try online.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

Good idea

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.7  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.1.6    3 weeks ago

don't buy those brass starfish looking ones either. throwing the gun would almost be more accurate 10 yards+ ...

 
 
 
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4  Sparty On    3 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
When  Brzezinski asked Weissmann  what "stood out" in the document, the former FBI general counsel replied, "I am old enough to remember Watergate, which was a scandal about cheating and trying to find out what it is your opponent knew through illegal means and covering that up. This is so much worse. It lays out an effort to undermine and thwart the votes of millions and millions of people just to stay in office. And the evidence is coming from Donald Trump's own people: his own lawyers, his own campaign staff, and, most notably, his own vice president, who had every incentive to want to win that election but decided to act out of principle and follow the rule of law."

Weissmann continued , "So, this is a read that is so graphic, so devastating, and so dispiriting — that this is where the country is, when these allegations are the kind of thing that the normal laws of gravity would have people understanding that this person should never be in office again based on this really detailed exegesis of the facts around what Donald Trump did."

Ex-FBI general counsel: Jack Smith’s bombshell Trump filing 'much worse' than Watergate - Alternet.org
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6    3 weeks ago

It's treason. He tried to thwart democracy

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.1  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1    3 weeks ago

didn't SCOTUS give the oval office full immunity to do anything required in fulfilling the duties of that office? oops ...

 
 
 
JBB
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7  JBB    3 weeks ago

The bitter end of MAGA is reminiscent of the end of McCarthyism!

 
 
 
Hallux
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7.1  Hallux  replied to  JBB @7    3 weeks ago

MAGA are the children of Ross Perot fans and theirs will will morph into something similar. Populism never dies, it just smells that way.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @7.1    3 weeks ago

I think they are the result of a failed experiment where Ross Perot's sperm was given to Sarah Palin by insemination

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1.2  seeder  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.1    3 weeks ago

she was the last record setting republican swan dive into political obscurity ...

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.3  JBB  replied to  devangelical @7.1.2    3 weeks ago

I don't know but...original

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @7.1.2    3 weeks ago

she moved to siberia to get away from it all and can now see alaska from her house

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.2  seeder  devangelical  replied to  JBB @7    3 weeks ago

they get closer to those SS uniforms with each incarnation ...

 
 
 
Gsquared
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8  Gsquared    3 weeks ago

Trump's criminality combined with his overweening arrogance is going to be his downfall.  And it can't happen too soon.

 
 

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