Fearless Leader Accepts Largest Bribe in History of Elected Office
looks like trump has finally cashed out on the hunter and joe biden burisma scandal, after over a decade ...
After watching some of the GOP freak out over the latest example of an imperial presidency, I thought it might be fun to extrapolate on all things "palace with wings" for a bit.
- who really paid for trumpski's new flying mobile home?
- did they leave anything in it for our fearless leader?
- what special features it may have on the interior?
- what special features will fearless leader require?
- will this be the vehicle he uses to escape prosecution should he outlive his term?
- is this just another elaborate tax dodge in the future to be funded by taxpayers?
- will the modifications being installed be removed after the plane is retired to trumpski's presidential kiosk?
- what other concerns should the american taxpayers be wary of in the plane's future?
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... crap. I was hoping trumpski would fly it back to DC, but I guess more maga and FOX bimbos would've been along for this ride ...
Bugs...the listening kind.
I wouldn't trust that plane
talk about the ultimate arab revenge against the white devil running dog imperialists ...
... could've been the world's biggest torpedo somewhere over the mid-atlantic if the wings fell off.
Glad they said it was a horse...I thought it was a camel
... one hump or two?
Kiosk? You're being generous. He will be lucky if he has a handcart to sell his worthless but expensive tacky merch
it'll be like a dollar general full of maga merch with a picture of glorious leader holding the only book he's ever read hung on the wall.
It'd better have a gold toilet
See above. It should probably come with its own plumber, too
the black tank dumps right before landing, so that some of his lucky cult members have a chance at getting a souvenir ...
Doors that blow open.....wings that fall off....wheels that go flat on landing
don't the sheet wearing rug-sniffer palaces usually have marble floors? there's got to be room for a flying carpet joke somewhere ...
I don't want to know what kind of power that plane would need if it has marble floors. Some where on the order of a C-5
How many additional airmen will be needed to staff this monstrosity. I don't if many know this but the Air Force supplies all the air crew and that includes flight attendants
maybe trump still has the numbers of some of those underage girls he met at jeff's places. maybe see if they'd like to be fast tracked by EO into the USAF to be stewardesses, you know, some of those real pretty ones that haven't killed themselves yet ...
The reporting is that it will cost U.S. taxpayers at least $1 billion to get the plane ready for use. Some gift. And, it wouldn't actually be ready for about 3 years. Just in time for it to be transferred to the Trump Presidential Library's ownership for Trump's personal use. No doubt MAGAs approve, think Trump deserves it and it's a great deal.
lucky for maga the airline manufacturers self-inspect now ...
as long as whatever goes into that plane to serve and protect the POTUS, gets taken out when he leaves office, and then it gets turned into a parked and grounded library ...
The shitstain Loomer and several other MAGA fun-time buddies have criticized Trump for even entertaining the idea. I hate it when I have to agree with the likes of Laura Loomer....
True, some have. I'd guess that there will be lots of MAGAs who will believe anything Trump says about it. If Trump doesn't back down how long do you think before shitstain Loomer and the rest of them will come around and support Trump on this? They won't want to lose their standing with and access to him. Their MAGA creds.
they're all in too deep to back out now ...
Considering some of them seem to think it is they that give Trump his MAGA cred, I don't even want to guess.
Are you sure it won't be continued as AF1 for the incoming President? Why would the next President want to fly around in a 40+ year old plane?
If transferred to the Trump Presidential Library, then it would still be owned by the federal government as I understand it. As the presidential libraries are not owned by the separate presidents but by the federal government and managed by NARA.
In the meantime, do you recognize that this buys Qatar influence?
Do you approve of this?
This appears to be correct.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/about#:~:text=Presidential%20Libraries%20and%20Museums%2C%20like%20their%20holdings%2C%20belong%20to%20the%20American%20people.
I'm more worried about exposure to clandestine operations and potentially compromising presidential communications or conversations.
gee, didn't trumpski fire some folks at NARA and put his own people in recently?
Rightly so. This is why it will be so expensive to prepare this for Airforce One and the reason it likely will never be done while Trump is in office.
In all, this is likely unconstitutional, clearly unethical, likely impractical, and will likely (by some estimates) cost more to prepare for use than its current value.
I only know what I've read about it.
Boeing is under contract now to produce two new planes to become AF1. They will probably be finished before the bribe plane can be fitted out for use as AF1.
Again, according to what I've read, it would be available for Trump's personal use.
They seem to be giving the plane to the US Govt. I'm not sure what the constitutionality of that would be.
The new AF1 jets we have ordered from Boeing are costing somewhere between $2b and $3.5b each, depending on which article you read. So one would expect the cost to bring the Qatari plane up to standard will probably far exceed the $400m value of the plane currently, but it still may be less expensive than the ones Boeing can't seem to finish.
My questions are less about constitutionality and more about logistics and practicality. If the plane is going to the Trump presidential library, what are they going to do with it? How do you display a 747 as part of library? Are they going to sell it? How sure are we that we can sweep this thing clear of every last listening device? and how long is it really going to take to get this thing ready? I mean the real answer, not the political one.
As far as the plane itself goes, it's made some untold number of flights while retaining all the doors and other parts, and the fly-by-wire system has apparently worked the entire time, so I'd almost rather have this one than the ones Boeing is building.
She/he shouldn't have to. That flying palace sounds like a sweet deal for the new POTUS
Ok, I can see why they are managed by NARA, sensitive material and all that. But aren't libraries built by money raised by private donations? I live in Little Rock and I remember the big deal about Clinton's library. I'm certain it was built by donations
You make the plane the library
There are plenty of factors here to discuss and details are pending. Regardless, what concerns me most is the obvious fact that Qatar does not give a PotUS a $400 million jet just to be nice. There may be a legal way for Trump to accept this, but there is no ethical way. What makes this so bad is that Trump has no ethics and unlike other individuals who would be PotUS, there is no predictable limit as to what he might do for Qatar in return.
In short, I do not trust Trump to do what is right.
That's the only option I can think of that makes any sense. "Sense" being an extremely relative term in this instance.
Yeah. I think so.
Fair. It's worth noting that the whole Arab world is busily trying to improve their international reputations. You're no doubt familiar with the concept of "sportswashing", so maybe this is an enhanced version of something like that. Who knows.
Also, they don't see money the way we do. The royal family is worth something like $335billion, so this is a somewhat trivial amount in comparison.
To put it in perspective, if your net worth is $3.35 million, this is the equivalent of a used item worth $4. You'd give that to somebody you barely knew.
Well... using Trump and ethics in the same sentence is already stretching the limits of the English language, so I try to apply the "most other presidents" test. So let's take a couple of presidents who were generally perceived more favorably. If Barack Obama had accepted this gift, would most Democrats assume it was unethical? Probably not. How about if GHWB had accepted something like this? Clinton? Kennedy? I think the perception changes.
Who, exactly, would you trust to "do what's right" that was a legitimate presidential candidate?
I would have thought it unethical for Obama to accept a gift like this.
I agree. Yes it would seem to be an attempt by a foreign government to buy influence as well as the potential for compromising communications and conversations. That's part of why I said I doubt that Trump will ever get to fly in it while he's in office, it will take years and a lot of money to go over the plane nose to tail to insure there's nothing wrong. Also they need to install the presidential communications gear that AF1 requires as well as the defensive measures that AF1 has.
There's no way this would be approved for Presidential use on day 1.
We'll have to wait and see. The current White House estimates is delivery in 2029 and the Air Force wants it from Boeing by 2027. It's also unknown as of this point how much money and time will be needed to prepare this new aircraft to replace the current AF1.
Once Trump is out of office, provided it would be approved by the federal government and NARA and Trump pays all costs associated with it, I guess I would not have any real problem with it. I would rather it not be used by Trump after he leaves office however. I would rather it remain on static display at the Presidential Library.
Correct. On the conclusion of a Presidents term in office, his records are to be transferred to NORA as Congress passed the Presidential Libraries Act in 1955. Prior to this, when a President left office he kept all his records. Many Presidential papers and records had been lost, destroyed, sold for profit, or ruined by poor storage conditions.
The Presidential Libraries Act (PLA) gives management of these records to NORA and provided a process to accept gifts of land, facilities, and equipment to create such a depository on behalf of the United States when the Archivist considers such acceptance to be in the public interest ( 44 U.S.C. §2112(a) ). Consistent with the requirements of the PLA, the Archivist may then deposit the presidential records into a presidential library. The PLA does not require a Presidential Library but allows for the ex-President and his supporters to fund and build said library and donate it to the federal government.
Presidential Libraries and Museums | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
The Obama Library will be the first digital library, thought this was interesting. Rather than having to search thru the thousands of documents, researchers will have access to a digital library.
Interesting.
Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about it.
Would you walk me through your thought process?
I did not know that. Thanks for information
Why? Because you perceive me as a "lefty liberal"?
All POTUS's must be held to the same ethical and moral standards. I never excused Clinton for his stuff. There were things I thought Obama was wrong about.
Meh? Maybe? I think moreso because you're almost always left of me, anyway, and I'm not sure I would object to a gift to the US Govt while Obama was president, so I'm curious what I'm missing.
I'm not phrasing the question well. Let me try again.
They're giving a plane to the US govt. Once Trump leaves office, the plane stays property of the US Govt. What do you see as the unethical part of this?
To level set, no former PotUS has accepted gifts over a few hundred thousand dollars (at best) present value and the gifts that were accepted were on behalf of and for the use of the USA.
To wit, except for Trump, PotUS’ have abided by accepted norms and ethics. And the difference in value and personal benefit to the PotUS personally is an extreme exception in Trump’s case.
In my view, most every viable candidate in recent history would likely follow the examples of past presidents. Trump is an extreme outlier in this regard.
I recall that it was difficult to gather a full accounting of gifts acquired in trumpski's last term ...
Like this -- The Air Force One Pavilion at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library, Simi Valley CA
This Air Force One is a 707.
Marine One in the Air Foce One Pavilion
how come republican POTUS's that have suspected child sex crimes in their past get to keep the planes?
Well there we have it.
Great photos, BTW.
Well the airplane is being given to the US Govt for use as AF1, after which it will be transferred to another branch of the US Govt for use in a museum.
So really we're just talking about the size of the gift.
AF1 is the property of the people of the USA. Trump is accepting it as a gift to him personally. THAT'S the problem. Then there is the contract for trump to build a golf resort in Qutar for 5.5 BILLION dollars. I am nowhere close to the middle east and I can smell the corruption from here.
If Trump can use the jet then it most definitely benefits him directly.
actually , no it isnt.
paid for by the taxpayers , but not owned by them .
It is an asset of the US government usually tasked to and assigned to a military entity such as the Air Force for planes and the Marines for the helo element .
Also the AF 1 or Marine 1 is a call sign designation usually hidden by another over the air code name for comm purposes that is used for any aircraft the POTUS happens to be physically in use of .
If the POTUS is not present , the AC is usually called by its reg or tail number . and being there is more than one , is available for use by either the POTUS or VPOTUS
the picture above , i have been aboard that AC when it was still in service with the USAF for its assignment during the Reagan / Bush admins when ever Bush went to Maine for vacation.
I actually guarded 2 different AC tasked this way , tail #26000 and #27000 back in the 80s. Both now out of service and retired obviously.
Simple question, should Trump accept this 'gift', as it is an obvious influence seeking bribe, and when the next duly elected Democrat accepts a Billion dollar yacht, it will be the Navy's and then donated to the AOC Floating Library Foundation, and everything will be peachy, right ....?
trumpski's old plane is worn out from the 2024 campaign, and he doesn't like the old AF1 because a black family flew around in it 20 years ago ...
If you are asking me , and it looks like you are , i would say accept it in the name of the USA and then let the GAO or what ever agency that handles those things do with it as they do with all other "gifts" given to other POTUS.
As for the AOC portion of the question ? where do i get some of whatever your smoking ? because it aint corn silk.
Interesting set of questions. I will predict the NT MAGA response for you. "Who cares ?"
They should care
They should do a lot of things they dont do.
Could you imagine if this had been Biden entertaining the idea of accepting a $400M plane from Ukraine or some other country rightwing conservatives hate?
With Trump you don't need any cryptic "10 held by H for big guy", he just comes right out and accepts the bribe and then just dares anyone to complain about it. Perhaps that's what his dumb-as-shit sycophant boot lickers love about him, that he just doesn't give a fuck about laws or morals. He just acts like a disgusting criminal pig in front of everyone then dares anyone to call him out on it and accuses those who do of just being Trump haters anyway which is a way to simply deflate their attack without actually refuting any of the evidence.
It took four years and two Congressional committees to investigate Biden on just the suggestion he profited from his son's business dealings in China. I don't see Mikey there in the House forming investigative committees into Trump's cryptocurrency scam, nor pushing back on accepting this billion dollar bribe from Qatar.
C'mon!!
Republicans do not investigate Republicans. That would be treason. Treason is not allowed.
Oh, wait...
There best be a whole new set of rules when the next Democratic President gets into office. Cause all of you hippocritical Lying Trumper defending at all costs clowns, are gonna be held to your absolutely nothing matters standards, so remember what you think it is ok for Trump to do, cause we will.
FnA
So much for ‘America First’.
I can't even imagine the outrage had Biden accepted a plane like that. There would have investigations for the next 500 years.
I guess hunter should've opened a private club in DC, that costs $500K to join, for members to talk directly to his dad ...
trumpski's palace-plane bribe scam will be the gift that keep on giving this coming election cycle ...