People Can't Stand Christians Because They're Fucking Hypocrites
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The Way They Treat Marginalized People Disgusts Me
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A Christian MAGA hypocrite. Photo: Twitter
Unpopular opinion: You cannot support Donald Trump and be a good Christian person with morals and values.
You can be a Christian in name only. You can be a hypocrite. You can proclaim to be a loving, caring Christian man or woman, but your voting patterns dictate otherwise. Nobody worth a shit takes you seriously.
Jesus Christ taught people to love their neighbors, as themselves. The neighbors who look like you. Those who believe in the same god that you do. And the ones who love people of the opposite sex.
And he said to love the neighbors who look different than you do. The ones who believe in other religions and gods. He also thought you should love your gay, bi, and trans neighbors, too. You should be kind to non-believers.
Basically, he instructed us to love EVERYONE. And to leave the fucking judgment to him.
Somehow, the Bible has been misinterpreted over thousands of years. Many feel that it has been changed or added to in order to fit mankind's evil, greed-driven agenda. Hypocrisy has become a huge part of organized religion, and one of the major reasons people can't stand most Christians.
It's impossible to respect someone who weaponizes their bullshit religious beliefs against other human beings. When you do this, it's obvious, and it makes you look like a joke. Nobody takes your religious views seriously when you act like deplorable trash.
Supporting Donald Dick-Smack, his shitty administration, and their immoral, lawbreaking MAGA ideals makes you a big-time hypocrite. Someone that most decent people don't like or respect. Not that most Christfascists give a fuck about that.
When you worship Donald Trump and all the scumbag things he embodies, you're sinning against your Lord. Photo: Twitter
To call yourself a Christian while supporting a morally bankrupt person like Velveeta Voldemort is laughable. To vote for an adjudicated rapist felon who lies, cheats, steals, and says racist, bigoted, sexist, things means that you haven't learned a damn thing during all of those Sunday mornings spent in church.
Take it from someone whose father was a pastor.
I was raised in church from birth. We were required to attend services three times a week for most of my upbringing. I finally left at the age of 21. Or rather, once I reached the age of reason. I'd have left sooner if I'd had the choice.
I started noticing contradictions between what the Bible taught and what my father preached from the pulpit. I didn't understand why if we were all God's creations, how some Christians could be so hateful and mean to gay people. They talked about how gays were going to burn in hell and how AIDS was a punishment sent from God to smite the LGBTQ community.
It all seemed so hypocritical and hateful.
As I grew up, I noticed people's behavior in the churches I attended. While a select few seemed to be genuinely good people with love and acceptance in their hearts, many others tended to be mean-spirited, gossipy, and judgmental. I kept my distance from the oddball, douchebags who most parishioners wouldn't trust to be alone with their kids.
And for good reason: Have you ever noticed a pattern of the people caught molesting children? Here's a hint: It isn't happening at Drag Queen Story Hour. Most are happening in churches. I read about a kid I hung out with in one church around the time I was in 5th grade. He grew up to be a youth pastor.
He now resides in prison, along with the other child molesters.
While many of God's saints were living the holier than thou lifestyles, they were also fucking other people's wives and husbands. At the last church I attended our pastor was having an affair with a church secretary. I learned of this from several members of the church board.
The ones who dismissed him as the pastor, once this was found out.
Televangelist Jimmy Swaggart's famous, "I have sinned!" confession. And notice the tears. Not because he sinned, but because he got caught and it was going to cost him millions. Photo: YouTube
Human beings are a flawed group of people. I can't think of a more imperfect, often evil species of the 8 million plus residing on Earth than humans. Though nature can be cruel, unkind, and deadly, I still feel that we are the worst species on the planet, and will cause the end of life as we know it.
Likely, it will be due to religion, politics, and greed. Throughout history, man has justified war, conquest, theft, and genocide in the name of God or other deities. It's easier to divert people's attention from the shitty, evil things you're doing when you blame it on another group of people.
After all, look at what Don Gaudy is doing.
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Spray-Tan Shitler is creating drama and bullshit every chance he gets. He's pitting Americans against each other and running diversion so most don't see what he's doing behind the scenes. His evil agenda to further enrich himself and persecute the poor, women, LBGTQ folks, and immigrants should make every person in America angry.
Yet a slim majority voted that asswipe into power. If the election wasn't rigged, which I feel it likely was.
Orange Foolius has kicked this plan into high gear. He installed billionaires who have zero qualifications for his cabinet positions, other than ass-kissing blind loyalty. He's doing everything he can to buy "leaders" who will go along with his every scheme, thereby enriching themselves.
Greed is a motherfucker. And look at how many of them identify as "Good Christians."
It's reprehensible, their persecution of so many people. Women shouldn't be forced to bleed out and die in hospital parking lots because of a pregnancy gone awry. Immigrants shouldn't be dying trying to cross dangerous waters for a chance at better lives for their children. School children shouldn't have their little bodies torn into pieces by assault rifles because the immoral GOP fat cats enjoy the kickbacks they receive from the NRA.
Our country needs political form and change. We need to stop electing the worst people and elevating billionaires to god-like statuses. They are lawmakers, not rock stars. The worshipping of Dorito Cheesus by so many Evangelical people is sickening to watch.
That breaks one of the biggest commandments from the Bible: "Thou shalt not have any other gods before me." That includes Donald Trump. And Elon Musk. More importantly, the thing they both have that you admire and respect more than basic human rights:
Money.
It's the root of all evil. Greed will end humanity. Look how close we've come, at this point. Don't be a deplorable damn hypocrite, Christians. Be the example that Jesus spoke of in the Bible. If you want others to respect you and your religious beliefs, give them a reason to.
"By this, everyone will know that you are my disciples if you love one another" — John 13:35. This verse should overshadow the hate from Donald Trump, his cabinet, and the rest of the Christofascist MAGA cult.
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A bit preachy but I defy anyone to point out any lies or false information
can you imagine living a noble life and then spending eternity with thumper scum after you died?
Since I will be ruling in Hell I will spend my eternal life with them and inventing sick and malicious ways to torture them
hell on earth is more to my liking. there's a mega church here in the metro area. their members all have religious parking stickers in their rear windows. I snap that glass too, along with maga stickers, when they irritate me ...
It is basically hate directed at a certain religion.[✘]
If we had any Muslim members I am sure they would disagree...
I've been a member since 2017. I have never seen a hate price directed at Muslims here. Maybe you can show us?
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Maybe you can do your own research, there was certainly a great deal of sentiment in both directions
over the Muslim Ban that Trump tried in his first term.
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meh, I thought my reply was funnier ...
Have always had a problem with folk who believe in mythology and superstition. The fact that folk actually pray to a mythical being is weird in the extreme.
you can tell a bullshit religion just by looking at their cash flow ...
Nah but your premise is one huge sweeping generalization. All Christian’s no more hypocrites than you think you are. It’s usually the loudest bitchers on each side that are the problem.[✘]
Picking on Christians.. So brave.
maga scum couldn't be further from real christians, and jesus singled out hypocrites ...
oh look, a new cross climber. welcome to the NT den of iniquity. I'd say maga thumpers are more like ignorant, gullible, and hypocritical checkbook xtians ...
>poof<
I'm not picking on the Christians who live their faith the way Jesus told them to. You know, the ones who actually like the Beatitudes and don't consider them woke?
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I attack the hypocrites in all 3 abrahamic religions, but it was thumpers that put the maga savior into the white house. sunday's will be the most productive day of the week in the coming civil war against maga christo-fascism ...
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Islamic conservatives like those who control Iran who force their religious beliefs on others through laws or at the point of a rifle are worthless scum bags not worth the air they breathe. Jewish conservatives who find joy in the bombing of innocent civilians should be ashamed of themselves and those doing the killing should be held to account if they are indiscriminately bombing and shooting civilians even if they do happen to be Palestinians. And I feel the same about all the rightwing Christian conservatives who support and defend the attempted insurrection and the hate, attacks and discrimination towards the lgtbq, immigrant and other minority communities.
I really don't see much daylight between hardline rightwing Christian conservatives, hardline Islamic conservatives and hardline Jewish conservatives. They all believe they're right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to faith and the spirit realm and that the pathway to paradise, heaven etc. is only through their specific religion. And not only is it a battle between these three main faiths but the thousands of sub-sects and variations of each faith with infighting happening often among themselves over doctrine.
they're maga xtians. there's plenty of loopholes built into their application of religious beliefs too ...
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True..
there's only one reason the christo-fascists are projecting the facade of defending the jews ...
Way past time for the human race to stop believing in fairy tales. Christians and believers in any deity have always been low hanging fruit.
Pick on Muslims, so brave.
Does anyone really believe that 'marginalized' people would be treated any differently without Christianity? Let's abolish Christianity and transform everyone to atheists. Are all these newly enlightened atheists going to be more accepting or are they going to be the same people they have always been? At least they lose their hypocrisy since they wouldn't believe in a God, a Bible, or a prophet that taught love. All these newly found atheists could practice hate without remorse or recriminations. Isn't that the real freedom of atheism?
Is the seeded blog a tome of love, inclusion, acceptance? Or does the blogger have a innate human need to hate? It is true the author cannot be a hypocrite since they do not identify themselves by anything other than what they hate. They are true to themselves. Atheism doesn't require any sort of divine justification for hate. The author wants people to 'practice what they preach'. Honestly ask yourself what the author is preaching?
I got the impression the article was about fake xtians, you know, superficial scumbags that thump on a bible full of teachings that they willfully ignore, yet find very convenient to hide behind when pressed to justify their hypocrisy in following those teachings because, >poof<, they've got a get out of hell free card to throw.
after learning they were somehow saved and forever forgiven for being blasphemous sewage because they gather with other chunks of blasphemous sewage once a week to hear what real christians should be doing, mumble in unison, sing a few songs, and then toss a few dollars into a basket before leaving to continue being hypocrites for another 6.5 days of the week ...
That's exactly what the article is about. If someone sees something different that's their problem
Yep, that's the tagline. So, what happens if these fake Christians become atheists? What happens if the 'real' Christians kicks these people out of the religion?
One thing for certain after being kicked out of Christianity, these people cannot be labeled hypocrites.
So, what is being suggested? Should the good Romans crucify all the Christian hypocrites along the Appian Way?
You see, the problem is NOT Christianity. Even you acknowledge what Christianity teaches. So the hypocrites have only found a place to gather and be true to themselves. But Christianity ain't the only institution with that problem.
I agree with that. It's the people that have corrupted the message of Jesus Christ. Do I think everyone should become atheists? No, because I'm not really an atheist. And I've seen some horrible atheists that don't want to let other people live their lives as they expect others to let them live their lives.
I have no problem with people of faith. I just don't want them to shove their faith down my throat so yeah, I have problems with militant people of all faiths and that includes Jews and Muslims. Except I can't seem to recall anything about Jews wanting to convert everyone else by force. That's not their bag
But the problem of people corrupting messages is not limited to theology. People who corrupt the message of Jesus Christ are easy targets because there is a well defined institutional theology that can be used as a yardstick.
Have you considered that people complain about Christian hypocrites as a way to justify their own hate? Since there's no institutional yardstick they can't be hypocrites. Haters hate Christian haters. It's a neat, circular message that shifts blame onto someone else.
Is Nation of Islam a religion, a hate group, both, or neither? People don't think about that a lot because the traditions and culture of the United States are based upon protestant Judeo-Christian values. That's the yardstick typically used to determine ethical behavior in the United States; derived from the message of Jesus Christ. And the so called liberal/progressive social warriors are proselytizing for the message of Jesus Christ even if they reject the theology.
The seeded article is chastising hypocritical Christians because they do not follow Christ's teachings of love, fellowship, charity, and inclusion toward marginalized people. And we're supposed to believe that demands for a progressive society based on the teachings of Jesus Christ has been motivated by a sincere secular atheism?
I don't think the article is saying that at all. In fact, In fact I don't see where the author talks about atheism at all. So if you want to continue in that vein, let me warn you you will be off-topic
the impression I got from all that theological tap dancing is that if you don't go to church, you're not a xtian, you're an atheist, and there is no middle ground. I'm disappointed that god isn't more proactive and there aren't a lot more scorched marks on the ground with fake xtians making sure they're either properly grounded or carrying fire extinguishers around with them all the time. making these bullshit tax exempt non-profits zero out with their charitable contributions every year would be a good start and letting the congregants turn clergy that commit sex crimes into eunuchs at their altars would be fun too ...
So you can't be a good person unless you agree with his politics. How original.
Hypocrisy and hate are the inevitable destinations of religious zealotry. Let's acknowledge that liberal politics is it's own religion and its zealots are just as guilty.
That is true. And yet here you are writing this article.
"Somehow"? Surely it's not that hard to figure out
I always find this condemnation fascinating. First, money is not the root of all evil. "The love of money" is the root of all evil. If you're going to beat people up with the Bible, at least quote it properly.
Secondly, you're not quoting Jesus, you're quoting Paul (I Timothy 6:10), who is also the source of other gems I know you'll want to use like "women should remain silent in church", or "a woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." or when he equates homosexuality to matricide and slave trading.
So we're to follow Paul when he agrees with you, but ignore him otherwise.... what's that you were saying about hypocrisy?
I actually ignore Paul totally. I don't think you can be a true follower of Jesus and take Paul's words to heart. Paul is not the savior
paul was a PR guy that figured out how to turn a profit on the gullible ...
Paul's writings do create lots of problems.
Jesus' teachings compel a dramatic change of thought methodology. Paul's writings are closer to what most humans like, with much more structure, so they are very popular with rule followers.
Paul is the author most commonly used for "beating people up" with the Bible. It's not at all how he intended his words to be used. It's especially ironic that this author commits exactly the same sin he condemns in others, using the same source for his justification.
The thing we forget is that absolutely all of Paul's writings are directed at believers. It's supposed to make us stand out from the rest of the world.... in a good... non-judgmental way. Nowhere does he suggest these behavioral standards be applied to anyone else.
I wonder if we would not do better as Christians if we treated Paul's texts as a secret, kind of like masonic texts, only revealed as people proved they were ready to handle them.
thank heaven we have a constitution that makes thumpers persona non gratis in any gov't decision making. it's time to put the cultural busy-bodies back into caves, catacombs, and coliseums. in addition to treating them like the useless businesses they are at tax time ...
I agree.
That's not what that would mean.
If you wanted your Statement to be true, it would have to read:
You cannot support Donald Trump's politics and be a good Christian person with morals and values.
Instead, what that means is that Donald trump is a KNOWN liar, adulterer, cheat, accused sexual predator, accused child rapist, has said of his own daughter he'd probably be dating her if he wasn't her father, has been convicted of 34 felonies, said he grabs women he finds attractive "by the pussy", and on top of all that incited an attempted insurrection to keep himself in power. Donald Trump practically defines what it is to be "immoral with no values" thus, it would seem practically impossible to support such a vile human while still honestly considering yourself somehow "moral" with "values".
With that said, those who don't care much about honesty, which is a prerequisite to be a Trump fan, likely won't give a fuck about Trumps vile behavior and track record. He's just what they wanted, so they'll just continue to pretend to be good moral Christians all while supporting the most corrupt President in American history, and that's even with what we know about the Nixon years.
It does.
It's interesting how you attempt to differentiate a person and their politics when it suits you. I think you're overlooking his repeated judgmentalism toward Christians for their views on homosexuality. That's got nothing to do with Trump.
This is about his politics. Like many Christians, he has traded the religion of his upbringing for his new faith... liberal politics. He is every bit the zealot he accuses his father of being, and filled with every bit as much disdain for infidels who refuse to follow his chosen moral code.
And now you display the same characteristics, maligning anyone who refuses to display anti-Trump sentiment to a degree you find acceptable. They "don't care much about honesty".
Sorry for the delayed response, I don't spend every waking hour here, but I can tell that was a specifically crafted sentence directed at myself so I should at least give it the cursory reply.
The difference between the old me and the new me is that I'm no longer trying to force ANY fucking conservatives to get abortions or live a gay lifestyle or become transgender. No one on the left is. All anyone is asking is that conservatives respect the rights of their fellow Americans to be and do whatever the fuck they want within the constraints of agreed upon laws and that the constitution should protect every Americans right's, not just those who claim to be somehow "superior Americans" as so many conservatives seem to imply.
Back when I was in my church the rumor mill would basically work as the police knowing who was up to what and who was seeing who and who wasn't doing what they ought to be doing. That's how Christian communities work, Big Brother is always watching. And as soon as someone gets a whiff of femininity from a young man, down come the hammers of righteousness to metaphorically beat the gay out of him. Sure, it's not physical abuse, it's just lots of hours and hours of counseling where they're told how evil that gay thinking is and that God will wipe out those unbelievers who are not living the way "WE" fucking tell them to.
Sadly, I saw many young likely gay children being raised in my Church back in the 80's and 90's and I know of one who later took their own lives because of the mental and psychological abuse they received from their parents and members of my old church. So yes, I am a bit bitter about the self-righteous Christian conservatives who look down on the world as nothing but inconveniences and animals they believe their God will soon come and wipe out for them. I know their minds and I know they could not be more excited than to believe their God will come and murder their ideological opponents. They do not want to get along with the rest of the world, they do not want to get along with liberals, gays, Muslims, Jews, and all the other minority groups, they want to rule them, use them and then burn them in hell as they skitter off to their fantasy heaven.
So, fuck those assholes. Not all Christians of course, just the ultra-conservatives who are constantly trying to push their religious beliefs into our schools, courthouses and government. And I'm not trying to be like them. I'm just sick of their shit. I don't want liberals doing the same thing forcing people to behave just like them, they just want to be treated with the same respect as any other human and given the same rights as any other American. Is that really too much to ask of conservative Christians? That they, at bare minimum, treat their fellow lgtbq, liberal, progressive Americans with the same respect as they expect?
Airball. Not everything is about you.
Seems a sound plan. Were you doing that before? Were these supposed conservatives trying to do that to you? Doesn't seem to align with their doctrine.
I'm sure you believe that. All those Southern Baptists believe "all we're trying to do is spread the good news of Jesus Christ". Neither of you are correct, but it's the nature of group affiliation that people ignore or excuse the nutjobs in their own group.
That's how all communities work. Never lived among Jewish people, have you? Or Italians? You think the Amish don't gossip? Gossip is referred to in the Bible, predating Jesus by a long time.
Right. Good job Islam is so much more accepting of that......
So it is, in fact, ahead of Islam. Good to know.
OK, so we agree.
Since you grew up around Christian conservatives, you'll probably remember they spent most of the 20th century trying to make everybody else follow their rules. This country saw everything from the Women's Temperance Movement to blue laws to dry counties (which we still have in some places) along with every other way they could think of to regulate alcohol, sex, and just about everything else. In most places in the South, there were no school activities on Wednesday nights... why? Because the Baptists have prayer meeting. But we had football games on Yom Kippur.
That went on until the rest of America finally decided we'd had enough and told these idiots to mind their own damned business.
So the real irony here is people like this author who are simply trading one flavor of zealotry for another. They scream about conservative Christians trying to tell everybody what they can or cannot do at the same time they're trying to control absolutely every aspect of everybody else's behavior. They want to decide everything from what we see on television to who can be on social media to what kind of cars we drive to what kind of stoves we cook on. They are every bit as bad as the conservative Christian idiots they scream about.
This author actually tries to use the Bible to condemn other people for using the Bible.
You'll forgive me if I'm not interested in trading one set of hyper-controlling religious zealots for a younger, less organized set of hyper-controlling religious zealots.
Are you really being this obtuse? As a former pastor I spent the first 30 years of my life believing in the doctrines I'd been 'indoctrinated' in and trying to push those on as many non-believers as I could because I believed I was helping 'save' them. And interestingly, people don't always think they need to be 'saved' unless you tell them what horrors you're saving them from and how they are living a sinful life and desperately 'need' to be saved even if they were completely unaware of this fact.
Yes! It is the Super Christians job to make everyone around them aware of how flawed they are, how sinful and how badly they need to be saved! Or at least that is how it was framed for decades in the church and is still in many of them. Many conservative churches see themselves as training Christian soldiers for the eventual war they believe they will be a part of.
Gossip exists everywhere, of course. The specific discrimination and biases based on condemnations made by any religious group, whether Christian, Muslim, Amish or other should not be tolerated in a nation with a constitution that bans any government backed or 'established' religion.
Why would you believe I would defend Islam? They're the other side of the Christian coin, they're just more open about their hostility towards those they've labeled "sinners". As I have often said, I hope the Iranian religious leaders (and those of other Islamic terror groups) are brought out and shot, they have abused their power and misused their faith and become nothing but corrupt murderers.
Again, where the fuck did you get the impression that I'm some defender of Islam? Is it because I object to indiscriminate bombing of women and children who happen to be Muslim? I don't see why I can't object to killing kids while also objecting to the scum bag religious extremists who are using them as human shields. It's not a zero sum, figure out a way to kill the terrorists with the least amount of civilian casualties as possible.
Indeed, and I haven't seen them show any signs of slowing down or changing their ways, they're just getting even more overt.
Preaching to the choir, these are all things I'm well aware of.
? It's still going on in pretty much every Southern and Midwest State and city which is pretty much every place that conservatives don't consider a "rat infested liberal hellhole". That's what they call any place that doesn't kneel down to the white Christian conservative religious leaders in the community.
Where in the seeded article are they telling anyone what to do? They say "The Way" Christians "Treat Marginalized People Disgusts" them, but is that saying "You need to live the way I do!" ? Or is it actually saying "I wish those people would stop treating others that way".
Is one of the defining traits of a Christian that they have to confront what they see as "sin" and call out the sinner? Is that what it means to be a Christian? Or could that Christian go on living the way they want according to their doctrine without anyone around them knowing? The only sort of proselytizing a Christian should be doing is setting a good example. They study what they believe to be Gods word, adjust their behavior according to that word and apply it in their lives.
Now, if they see others being mistreated and discriminated against, they should of course stand up for them even if they're not Christians. Christians should fight for the rights of the lgtbq community to live as any other American should with the same rights and the same dignity even if the Christian doesn't agree with how they live.
Are you just complaining about social influencers? Because there really is no "They" deciding all that shit, it's hundreds of differing groups and interests that push content and trends, not some "liberal think-tank" trying to corrupt Christians. And the fact is, those hundreds of niche groups are concerned with only one thing, profit. They push content they believe the viewers want, so it's a consumer driven market. If it's on TV, it's because some market test group, which likely contained a majority of white Christians being the largest market group in the US, endorsed it as having profit potential.
I admit, it's something I've done before because it is a perfect way to point out hypocrisy. When someone is up there on the pulpit preaching to you that you need to change because of what it says, pointing out other scriptures that they seem to have no problem ignoring exposes them for what they really are, self-righteous fakes.
I don't want that either. If liberals were going around trying to get Christian marriage banned or trying to get housing laws changed so they can legally refuse to rent to Christians or trying to ban Christians from adopting any children because that could harm the child with Christian indoctrination, then I would be on the forefront of telling those liberals to go fuck themselves.
But the fact is, it's only going one way right now, with Christians trying to ban gay marriage, Christians wanting to be legally allowed to discriminate against the lgtbq community and Christians wanting to ban gay couples from adopting children. That's why I'm on this side telling those Christians to go fuck themselves.
... with the 100 foot flag poles on the white house lawn.
The regular flag poles they beat capital police with would do just fine...
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Do you really not understand the concept of a rhetorical question? (hint... this was another one)
Well that's informative.
Elaborate on your use of quotes there.
Full disclosure, I went to a Christian college, and many of my college friends went on to be pastors. Some of them have experienced a similar awakening or crisis or however you want to describe your epiphany (I usually ask how TF it took so long) and now have whiplashed to rather extreme liberal positions.
Many claim unironically that they were "indoctrinated".... as if they're somehow not responsible for their previous actions. They also seem utterly oblivious to the fact that they've simply been indoctrinated by a new group.
Being indoctrinated twice just seems completely inexcusable. How stupid are these people? I have almost no patience for anybody that ridiculous.
Are we going to pretend it's not happening?
No.
Right. Twitter didn't have a full censorship department enforcing liberal ideology. The CEO of Facebook didn't announce they were going to stop censoring things. Nobody tried to get Netflix to take down Dave Chappelle's specials. California isn't trying to outlaw internal combustion cars. The CPSC never considered banning gas cooktops. People haven't lost their jobs over "misgendering".
We won't get into mask and vaccine mandates and their complete disregard for both science and math.
Now...LWNJs certainly didn't invent this. The joke I tell to both my cranky old friends who bitch about "cancel culture" and my kids' friends who try to justify it... is that these current Millennial and Gen Z cancel culture brats are rank fucking amateurs compared to their Southern Baptist predecessors. Those fuckers managed to cancel dancing, FFS. And Halloween. These current dipshits can't decide if sleeping with your subordinate is sexual harassment (Matt Lauer) or totally fantastic (Bill Clinton).
It's not about "Christians". It's about people inflicting their morality onto everybody else while simultaneously complaining about Christians inflicting their morality onto everybody else.... and then complaining about hypocrisy... like the goal here some sort of hypocrisy Ouroboros.
Whereas churches are not consumer driven at all.... C'mon.
Serious question... do you really think a majority of Christians want to ban gay marriage? If so, what data are you seeing that supports that? Second serious question... do you see things like banning drag shows for children or banning men from competing in women's sports as discriminatory against the LGB community?
Finally, I think we can find a point of agreement. I'm not any more interested in have conservative Christians control my life than I am left wing zealots. So in both cases, they can fuck right off and mind their own damned business.
There is a reason that 'indoctrination' is a synonym for 'brainwashing'. It usually occurs to either unsuspecting persons or children who have no reason to doubt their teachers/parents. I was taught what was right and wrong according to an evangelical pastor father who never spared the rod. I had biblical teaching beaten into me with a leather belt until my mother stopped him once due to the excess bleeding from my lower back, buttocks and legs. And not only did I suffer through that, I convinced myself it was my fault and that my father had no choice because that's what the bible said we needed to do to 'save' our children. And I then spent the next few decades teaching the bible to others and counseling parents not to spare the rod for disobedient children. So yeah, I'd call that indoctrination.
As for being indoctrinated twice, that's adorable, but no. Reading, studying and getting my degree and traveling and talking to people with different views and cultures was not a second "indoctrination", it was a healthy shedding of my former indoctrination.
How are liberals trying to " control absolutely every aspect" of your life? The claim is silly on its face.
Oh, so shadow banning the blatant racists and those supporting rightwing terrorism isn't allowed by private companies on their own platforms? Guess how many times I got banned on twitter? Ah, you guessed zero which is correct, but not because I'm a progressive, it's because I've never used Twitter or X or any of that shit. But, but, but Twitter and Facebook and blah blah blah. What nonsense. That whole bullshit scandal was a nothing burger, no stories were ever actually quashed by anyone, let alone the fictional deep state. Everyone got to hear about Hunters laptop and Bidens health and all that other horse shit conservatives were serving up for years. Qanon is still alive and well in the conservative circles.
Oh God, please end it now. Are you really going to bitch about masks and social distancing again? And that wasn't a "liberal" thing, it was a health and safety thing. It's not rocket science; both of those things DID save lives. How many? We'll never likely know. But they were certainly better than the dipshit President at the time LYING to the American public about the severity of Covid while acknowledging how deadly it was to others privately.
Very true. It is quite funny listening to some Christian conservatives complain about 'cancel culture' when religious conservativism basically invented it.
Again, how does a liberal who just wants to be treated the same as anyone else but happens to be gay "inflict" his morality on straight Christians? Is his asking to be treated the same as any other law abiding American too much? Is that 'inflicting' his morality on others?
As I've tried to point out, but it seems to keep being overlooked, where are there any liberals trying to ban conservatives from practicing their faith as long as they're not trying to inject their Christian morality into schools, courts and our government?
What it seems to be is that Christians have injected their faith into society for a very long time and so when liberals come along and say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't only teach Christmas songs and Easter songs to kids in elementary school" the immediate response from conservatives is "Screw you liberals! You're not injecting your liberal bullshit into my kids school!" when clearly nothing could be further from the truth.
American society has, by and large, been catering primarily to the needs of white Anglo Saxon protestants. Liberals and progressives have been pushing society towards catering to all Americans regardless of religion, skin color, culture, language or gender. Should that really be seen as liberals injecting their faith into society? Of course not, but sadly that is how many Christians see it, as "their" society being stripped away from them.
No. The most recent studies from Pew research show about 55% of Christians now support gay marriage. However, that's including the large population of liberal Christians. Among evangelical Christians support has risen from 28% to 36% but that means there are still 64% of evangelicals who oppose gay marriage. Religion & views on LGBTQ issues, abortion in the US | Pew Research Center
And in as many as 9 States Republican lawmakers are proposing laws that would effectively ban or change gay marriage to be something other than what a heterosexual couple can get. Lawmakers in 9 states propose measures to undermine same-sex marriage rights
Banning drag queens from interacting with children is definitely discriminatory. What's so wrong with a man wearing a dress or a woman wearing pants? It's not necessarily discriminatory against the gay community though, there are many straight drag queens. As long as they aren't being overtly sexual in any way, why would I object to a drag queen coming to a school library to read to kids?
As for transgender women competing in women's sports, I've said it before, I view it no different than a female athlete that has been doping and I do not believe they should be allowed to compete in any actual record type events just like someone who was using steroids would not be able to compete. It doesn't matter to me how the testosterone treatments were administered, either biologically or through a drug, if any athlete takes steroids, they will build different or increased muscle mass which is why it's not allowed in sports and someone who spent several years after puberty who has basically been given testosterone shots by their own body, then they want to compete against those who haven't, it's just not fair and would be discriminatory against the women competing who did not get such an advantage.
Agreed.
The drag shows are for willing parents and children. . .if you are not passing judgement on that (you are) - then what protection is needed that those willing parents are not providing them? Please elaborate on why "you and yours" care.
Women's sports have leagues, federations, and organizations. It is the duty of those authorities to lay out rules for women's sports—they do! So if you have a complain do not start with the athletes themselves but go to the head. Do not discriminate-"yourself."
Finally, I asked libertarians this before: About Sandy Hook Elementary and other school shootings. . . the dead, the traumatized, the life-long injured. . .still can't believe that libertarians did not then and will not now use this SAME VOICE that is piping up right now convenience-wises in so-called defense of children (who hold no political power of their own) and girls and women (who still can not get equal pay for the same job men do). If libertarians are going to indefinitely side with guns over and against children and unequal pay treatment for girls and women. . . then expect others to note and call out its inconsistency.
And then the fool of a president (who allegedly says he is the 'most informed person on the planet') did not see his own COVID-19 coming (down the channel). Lucky for him as president, he was not allowed to perish or even see incubation due to this position in our society and the truly fine care that is afforded the leader of the free world. I would think Herman Cain (Trump's "good friend") would have loved to have gotten the 'royal' treatment for Covid—it killed him.
I'm going to let that stand for itself!
I would love to see what social attribute conservatives would render that supports their claim to tell others whom they can marry. . . WITHOUT using the bible as its source !
Right. Sure. Because you post history is so objective and unbiased.
So that's a "yes, we are going to pretend". OK then.
Please read carefully. I didn't say it wasn't allowed. I said they censored ideas they disagreed with.
They didn't ban people or censor comments that agreed with their ideology. That's the point.
I'm going to point out that the militant left was more than eager to violate the civil liberties they claim to hold dear and justify it with really terrible math. I realize the distinction between vaccines and mandates is highly inconvenient for LW zealots, but the math doesn't lie.
Yes. Agree. It's also funny listening to liberal zealots who don't think they have their own form of religious fundamentalism.
Why would that be limited to gay rights? We could be talking about any of the myriad of ideas in the liberal sphere that demand other people change behavior because liberals "feel" it's terrible. That includes banning everything from guns they can't define to gasoline powered cars. They want to tax wealth simply because they don't think people should have it. That's all before we get to the idiocy that is men playing women's sports and female athletes being forced to share locker rooms with men.
It's not about "practicing faith". Blue laws were never about preventing Jews from "practicing faith". It's about enforcing their moral code on the secular lives of other people.
OK. And liberals have been pushing Medicare for All for decades. Both parties have crazy uncles. How do you not see your own?
Not any more than banning strippers from doing so.
As long as the strippers keep the pasties on... Are you listening to yourself?? Seriously... WTF?
Because you're not a complete lunatic. Because you haven't sacrificed basic common sense on the alter of the Church of Liberal Politics. Because you haven't so completely lost your mind that you'll excuse absolutely anything conservatives object to. Because you understand the concepts of "not going overboard" and can see the value of some level of restraint.
Because you're smart enough to recognize grooming when you see it. Because you understand why we have laws in place to protect children. Because there is no universe in which a group of grown men engaging in a sexual fetish with little children should ever be acceptable.
Just because conservatives don't like it does not mean it's a good idea.
We could also say that about the strip club where the dad takes his kids on the weekends he has custody.... if we were stupid enough to allow that.
For the same reason we care about 7 year olds in strip clubs. For the same reason there is a rating system for movies that includes an "X" rating. For the same reason we require people who work with children to be trained on how to recognize grooming.
As I've already explained repeatedly, those organizations are subject to US law and the interpretation thereof by govt officials. Now that the US govt has stopped its madness, those organizations are returning to sound practices.
One of the only things Trump has done that I support fully was Feb 5 executive order "Keeping Men out of Women's Sports". The very next day, the NCAA restored sanity, along with several state HS athletic associations. Let's don't pretend they weren't eager to set this right.
They lack honor. I have no reticence about pointing that out.
You're asking libertarians to advocate for increased government regulation? I don't think you understand what libertarians are.
That smacks of BS. Conservatives are "all" for parental rights until they are not- as evidenced. As for sexual stimulation, appetites, or sensuality. . . drag shows for children are family friendly and not explicit. Otherwise, they could not exist outside the 'blue-light district.' Of course, not all forms of drag (shows) are appropriate for children but drag show READING hour is simply. . . well, reading. When you see genitalia exposed to children in a proceeding then you would be justified to cry foul and register a complain against a 'perp.'
The NCAA is entitled to do as it sees fit. What I am not sure of (and I am pretty sure you won't clarify) is if they are not the only authorizing agency, since I am not one who keeps up with sports.
Clearly, you do not know what siding with children. . . and women consistently means. But, I digress.
I'm not sure what "as evidenced" means, but the acknowledgement that some parents make terrible decisions and we need to protect kids from those decisions dates back to long before the US was a country.
What you don't want to accept is that the vast majority of this country sees these as common sense issues, and when liberals argue against basic common sense, they lose credibility in all other areas.
They are acting out a sexual fetish in front of children. You are trying to argue that water isn't wet.
None of their enablers seem to ask why they target children. Why not nursing homes?
It isn't. Pay attention. They are subject to federal regulations, whether established by Biden's XO or Trump's reversal.
This is the problem. People who have zero clue about sports want to regulate them to align with their lunatic ideology.
OK, you've intentionally decided to stop even trying to make sense. I guess it's the inevitable byproduct of trying to defend complete stupidity.
The only difference between that and what I experienced growing up was that I was already up there on the pulpit following in my father's footsteps before it started to sink in and I started to see how truly cruel and outright vengeful not just my, but every Christian community I visited over thirty years, could act towards those in other communities, especially the lgtbq and Muslim communities. Back in the 1980's and '90's in my Church it wasn't uncommon to hear things like "If I ever got hit on by some gay man I'd kill 'em!" or referring to Muslims as "Camel-Jocky's" or worse, along with all the other non-believers Jesus was going to wipe out when he returns. And along with that message was the "bad association spoils useful habits" and of course anyone who was a non-believer, or God forbid an openly gay person which was pretty rare back then, were defined as "bad associations" so we were to avoid them and treat them like they had leprosy. And this was all while the Church pretended it was doing such chartable work for the community, which was basically spending a tiny bit of their collections on supporting a WASP or two who suffered some tragedy like a job loss or death in the family. I can guarantee not a penny of those donations went to help get a Muslim family back on their feet after a job loss, or helped a gay man find another apartment after getting kicked out due to discrimination.
After reading the bible numerous times myself, I can say that the VAST majority of Christians I've seen and heard these days act nothing like the Christ of the bible. In fact, many of them seem, by their actions, to be the very antithesis of Jesus' teachings.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness! ’ - Matthew 7:22,23
"bad associations"
Ya know...Jesus could have said that about the woman the men were going to stone for adultery but he didn't. He picked her up gave her words of comfort and sent her on her way
the ultra devout of the 3 abrahamic religions basically consist of bible slappers, rug sniffers, and foreskin pruners that demand obedience thru threats and intimidation of spiritual abandonment in an afterlife they cannot prove exists ...
believe in our versions of love, devotion, and forgiveness, or else ...
I'd almost like to see their world of 100% religious devotion happen, knowing they would quickly begin exterminating each other in short order, all in the name of the same god ...
AMEN! They never cherry pick the Bible verses about immigrants, about feeding the poor, welcoming the stranger, or that the very story of Jesus, Mary and Joseph was one of immigration.
They ignore the kindness part of the Bible and push the Vengeance part.
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