The President Of The United States Calls The Opposition Party Satanic
If the president of the United States refers to the other political party as "Satan" and "evil" then you no longer have a country.
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Trump belongs in prison, let him do his Truth Social comedy act from there.
Did you complain when MANY on the left called Trump and pretty much every one of his supporters Hiltler, nazi, garbage, white supremacist, etc?
What Trump said was kind compared to the vitriol coming from the left.
I dont do that both sides bullshit. He is the president of the United States, not some social media commenter.
No.
OK, how about when VP Harris called her then opponent a "fascist"?
Or VP candidate Tim Walz called him a fascist and compared him to Hitler?
Or Hillary Clinton?
Or Congresswoman AOC?
Why don't you supply the actual quotes and links to those quotes for people to compare?
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If Trump does not like being characterized as a authoritarian dictator/fascist he had ought to stop behaving as an authoritarian dictator/fascist.
From recent news, behaviors that strongly resemble authoritarian dictator/fascist are:
All of these actions are aimed at chilling free speech and making people fear the government.
Noem toured a large empty warehouse type building in Chicago yesterday, and then announced she is looking into buying the building in order to expand ICE operations in the city. She said ICE is not leaving and will in fact be used to make "this city safe". It sounds to me they intend to involve ICE with law enforcement not connected to immigration. Trump cannot activate the Illinois National Guard and has not yet manufactured an "emergency" like they did in L.A. which was his pretense for sending in military troops. In Chicago they may use ICE in an expanded role.
Sooner or later ICE is going to kill someone on the streets and then things will get worse.
‘Sooner or later ICE is going to kill someone on the streets and then things will get worse. ‘
Could happen but as we have witnessed many times, ICE has been the subject of repeated attacks including the firing on agents in Dallas that took out 2 illegals because the idiot leftist had no idea what he was aiming at.
ICE agents seem to be largely Steven Seagal wannabes, instigating violence and looking to break heads. ICE is hiring people with a goon mentality because that is what Trump wants.
A few key words here...
"seemed to encourage"..........opinion
"it appeared that Trump"........opinion
'"When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’" he said."
For those of us that voted for him, we agree. This is what we voted for.
We are tired of leftists acting as if they can get away with pretty much any violent event, as the Biden admin allowed them to.
The SOD is now a SOW.
Thank you for admitting the "vitriol from the left" is real.
We're making progress.
We'll ignore the obvious problems with your statements, such as none of them pertain to free speech, fear of anything is a choice, and the US military has kept physical standards for decades.
You may not like the way Trump conducts himself. I personally don't like the way Trump conducts himself. That doesn't make him a fascist.
The so called vitriol from the left is based on observable fact and the similarities with what has happened in other countries in recent history.
It most certainly does make him authoritarian/dictator/fascist and it very much does chill free speech. The fact that you refuse to admit the administration and associated lackeys are trying very hard to turn the US into a authoritarian/dictator/fascist theme park by the actions indicated in my post is all on you. Talking around them does no one any good. Pretending that there is no import to them is detrimental to the continuation of a free society.
I realize you're going to try to justify whatever the left does.
"When OUR side does this terrible thing, it's totally justified....."
It's silly, really, but unfortunately it's all too common.
Go ahead and try to deny my logic. Don't just sit there and say, "Nuh-uh," which is basically what you just did.
The actions that I have listed are taken in order to make people afraid to speak out. These are actions of a government that wants people to just shut up and go along with whatever it chooses to do, however Unconstitutional, illegal or immoral the actions are.
You'll need to present some.
Don't just sit there and claim your shit doesn't stink, which is what you're trying to do again.
People choose to be afraid or they don't. It's their decision. Nobody "makes" them be afraid.
He did, you're just ignoring it because it's difficult to refute. Most debate teachers will tell you to just paint any facts or evidence as irrelevant or claim they're not even facts in the first place so that you don't even have to come up with a rational response. So, bravo, you've employed an easy debate tactic by avoiding the question all together.
Democrats don't have a President in the oval office, so they have no shit in the Whitehouse to stink. Of course, dishonest morons will always try their pedantic 'what-a-bout-ism's" because it's a great way to deflect and distract. "What about Biden!" What about your shit!" "What about, what about...". Try defending Trump on his own merits, make an argument that claims he's great for this country without using Democrats as some foil to claim Trump is at least "better than this" benchmark. That's just more dishonest horse shit.
But honestly, I don't expect you to actually make the case for Trump without trying to "what-about-ism" the fuck out of the rationalization, on his own Trump is pure cancer. The only way any conservatives can even reach the level of "Yeah, Trump for President is a great idea!" is if they believe Democrats have literally signed a contract with Satan to murder American babies and sell their corpses to China or some shit. It's fucking mental, but there we have the political divide in America. One side wanting to deal with reality and facts, and the other supporting a massive degenerate liar and convicted felon just so they can metaphorically shit on their ideological foes.
Neither of you is paying attention to the point.
Since you don't appear to have bothered to read, let me help you.
The rhetoric is foul. Whether that is calling Democrats "the party of Satan" or calling anybody who doesn't agree with you a "nazi" or "fascist".. the rhetoric is foul. Anybody engaging in that is a mentally challenged fuckwit, whether that's the President of the United States, the then VP, a congressman, a governor, a talk show host, or anybody else. Fuck. Wit.
Defense of such rhetoric is childish and moronic. Pretending whatever side you're on doesn't engage in it, or worse yet that it's somehow justified, is childish and moronic.
Ohh, my shit stinks ...and so does yours.
The core of my statement is that behaving in the manner of an authoritarian/dictator/fascist is a sure way to be compared to one. In this case it is not meant to be rude or disrespectful, but more as a truthful pattern matching exercise.
I listed a few areas where the behaviors of the administration were like those of such a type of government. You still have not addressed the them. You have tried to deflect from them, deny them credibility sans debate, reframe the debate in terms of red herrings and whataboutisms. In short, you have done everything but debate them on their merits. This looks like an avoidance tactic.
Further, your characterization of fear as a personal choice ignores the systemic and engineered way it has been used by many authoritarian/dictatorial/fascist regimes in the past. The parallels exist between past actions and present behavioral indications such as intimidation, spectacle, the arbitrary enforcement of attacks on first amendment rights, etc. to make people be wary of speaking out. This is a pattern that is not only recognized as a means of control, it is recognized as having been used before as a way that works. These methods are designed to make people self-censor before they speak, and they are used because they work. Just ask the high profile Russians who visited Vladimir Putin in his high-rise...
Finally, you seem to be operating under the cynical idea that everyone is just calling people bad names out of some tribal supremacy bullshit. I can assure you that I am using the words authoritarian/dictator/fascist to describe the President, his administration, and other enablers out of due consideration and studied reasoning. The parallels are real, the likeness is not imagined but actual and documented, and the similarities are quite alarming.
I hope to all that's good that I am wrong in my assessment. I hope that I can say, "You were right, and I was wrong."
Right now, I cannot look at the evidence before me and in good conscience say those words.
Trump would like to be a dictator and be retained in office after 2028 on his own say so. Only a fool or a blind person would doubt this is so. At this point this seems very unlikely because, well, this is America. But who knows what "America" will look like in three years. They ARE trying to change it.
yeah, anyone who wants to fundamentally transform America must hate it.
Then stop trying to defend it.
The problem there is that none of the things you listed were actually fascist in any way. They're just things that rubbed you the wrong way.
The bigger problem you have is leftists cry "fascist" and "nazi" over nothing so often that nobody believes you anymore.
The Secretary of Defense reinstating physical standards is not fascist. That's just stupid. The president having meetings with generals is not fascist. That's just stupid. Tweets are not fascist. That's just stupid.
"Whataboutisms" is code for "reminded liberals of their own hypocrisy". You cannot maintain any credibility whatsoever when you scream about the other side doing the exact same things you defend in your own.
Nonsense. Just because lots of people make a choice doesn't mean it isn't one. Nobody makes you afraid. It's your decision. You don't get to claim victimhood over your own choices. I don't expect you to acknowledge that because 80% of current liberal ideology hinges upon blaming their feelings on someone else, but that's also why we're stuck using the phrase "President Trump" again.
That's absolute insanity considering the extensive and coordinated efforts liberals used to suppress free speech for years. Or did you miss the whole sworn testimony about the Biden Administration pressuring media companies to remove content questioning them?
Reminds me of a Chris Williamson quote.....
How about the president telling military generals that part of their role might be in using American cities as proving grounds for the military?
What he says isn't fascism. What he does might be.
Given Trump's legendary lack of filter and habit of saying whatever the fuck comes into his brain in the moment, any reasonable person takes everything he says with a huge eyeroll and double dose of skepticism.
I did find it interesting that in Thomas' list of examples of fascism, he didn't mention "pushing the Posse Comitatus Act to the extreme limits or beyond". If we're going to make accusations of fascism, it seems like that should be at the front of the que.
Obviously you would say this no matter what Trump has said or will say. According to you words are meaningless. It is bizarre.
Were those cities being described at the time by the president as being "hell holes" ?
It is nice of you to try and spin this for Trump though.
Are any of those involved in the Phoenix and Peoria training going to be interacting directly with the public? Are they going to be "training" by doing home invasion sweeps of neighborhoods they feel are high crime areas looking for criminals or undocumented immigrants? If not, then why even bother trying to roll that out as a "what-about-ism"?
*sigh*
John, you cannot claim Trump's words are somehow indicative of what he intends to do while simultaneously pointing out that he lies all the time.
Everybody else sees that.
Trumps words are indicative of what he would like to do. He said today that JB Pritzker belongs in prison. For what? who knows? But do you think Trump would object to Pritzker being in prison ?
After the J6 rioters had been fighting with police for well over an hour, and Trump had been watching the whole thing on tv, he tweeted to his followers that he loved them, that they had been cheated, and that they should "remember this day for the rest of their lives". Does that sound meaningless to you ?
How do you know he's telling the truth? How do you know he's not just pandering to his followers?
When you can't trust what someone says, all you can do is watch what they DO.
He said that about Hillary, too. She seems to be doing fine.
What difference does that make? He wouldn't object to Barack Obama going to prison, either. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
I'm not going to engage in your doctrinal purity tests. Ask real questions instead of religious ones.
Now, for years you have spun yourself into a knot over nearly every word that proceeds out of Trumps face, and frequently lambasted any of us who have learned not to take him literally. I don't care. When you can't trust what someone says, all you can do is watch what they DO. That's how I'm going to proceed.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
Say I have a point without saying I have a point.
How do you know, John? C'mon. Do tell.
Share this arcane secret.
It was a direct reply to your one sentence post. That's all. No spin for or against Trump, I can leave that all up to you as you're sure to bring him up in any reply.
Hahahahahah.
You wish for me to follow you down a rabbit hole, any rabbit hole, so badly that you keep digging new ones and hoping I’ll take the bait.
But the real question is this: Is the government using fear or state power to silence opposition?
We could ask the lawyers who had their security clearances revoked for the simple act of following the law where it leads.
We could ask the colleges, public and private.
We could ask the immigrants and the citizens who just happen to look or sound like immigrants.
They will all tell you the same thing: Yes. Absolutely.
The message from the government is clear: Do not speak against us, or we will get you if we want.
It is easy to say that fear is a choice when you live comfortably inside the in-crowd.
It is not so easy to say that fear is a choice when you see someone deported for the simple act of protest, deported for exercising their First Amendment rights, the very rights the Constitution was written to protect.
That is not choosing fear.
That is how one survives in a system that punishes dissent.
Ask yourself if you are comfortable living within such a system, because this is the system that America has already arrived at.
If people do not stand up to be counted the situation will get worse, not better.
Tell me you can't respond to simple points without telling me you can't respond to simple points.
Which crowd is that, exactly?
Or, more accurately, deported for material misstatements on their immigration documents.
Any time you are afraid, you have made the choice to do so. It's not less of a choice just because some people are too weak to make it.
Americans are never comfortable with our system. That's why we're always working on it.
Stand up how, exactly? Are we trying to justify collective tantrums of shouting at the sky again? Or are we ever going to talk about things that might actually matter?
The proof of my statements is contained within your replies.
Rather than acknowledge that the government is actively making the public more hesitant to speak, that people are self-censoring out of fear, you have tried to make me and my argument look small. You reduce systemic issues to individual blame or mockery so you do not have to face the reality that people beyond the headline cases are being locked up every day because the administration needs numbers larger than the "worst of the worst" can provide.
That is fear and force being used by the government to stifle criticism. If you cannot admit that, then there is no point in continuing this conversation.
Once more, fear in this case is not a private emotion. It is the intended outcome of public policy. That is why this administration wants to send troops into Democratic cities. That is why they seek to make examples of them, to show the rest of the nation what happens when you resist.
That is how authoritarian systems operate.
Look at history.
Look at the United States.
The cues are right in front of us.
People just need to open their eyes.
I'm sure you imagine so.
If you are afraid of the government, that is your decision. If you feel like your argument looks small, that is also your decision. At some point, you have to take responsibility for your own decisions.
Oh FFS. It's not about you. They don't give a shit how you "feel".
They want to do that shit for the same reason Biden wanted to forgive student loans illegally... to pander to their base. Look at history yourself. Every POTUS panders to their base for the first 2 years of their presidency. That's at least every president since Reagan.
Trump's core supporters think that 90% of the problems they have invented in their heads are caused by Democrats refusal to enforce immigration laws, being soft on crime, and excessive taxation/interference.
It's just like left wing morons blame all their imaginary problems on climate change, capitalism, and racism/misogyny.
They are doing all of this to show their angry core supporters that they are tough on immigration, tough on crime (including the "mostly peaceful protests" that everybody is tired of), and tough on spending.
It's not about suppressing anything. Quite the opposite. They love it when you attack ICE agents. The more shit you set on fire, the more elections they win. They're going to get more votes out of Charlie Kirk and Iryna Zarutska than they could ever get in 20 elections on some boring policy that nobody understands.
Did you ever know someone who just didn’t get it?
You could go to a movie about a person who turns their life around, who becomes a moral beacon for others to follow.
And afterwards, they’d look at you with a straight face and say,
“What a piece of crap that guy is. They should never have given him a chance.”
That’s what it feels like talking with you.
You’re watching the same story, but you’re missing what it’s really about.
And as for your last trip into fantasy land, I can assure you I won’t be attacking anyone.
I’m not interested in chasing which base gets pandered to. What I am interested in, however, is keeping this country free enough that no one, no leader, no party, can ever use intimidation as a political or policy tool.
Don't worry, you'll get there.
Hilarious considering you talk like you're about to go battle Darth Vader.
Of course not. It's not nearly dramatic enough.
You’d better stick with the comedy routine, because your political analysis lacks the rigor to be accurate or factual.
Toodles!
10 years of investigations that turned up nothing say otherwise.
Since you know absolutely nothing about what the evidence is against Trump your complaints can be dismissed.
What evidence? None has been found.
Although there has been evidence of FBI among the crowd on J6 that the "committee" covered up.
Obama and his cronies drumming up the Russia Collusion hoax.
You are drifting toward being deleted for no value. There is evidence against Trump in every single one of the court cases against him.
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So trump never met with Russian spies to get dirt on Clinton? You sure you want to ride that train?
fortunately in this country, we have a president that supports, protects, and defends all americans in these trying times ... /s
I don't want to read one fucking comment on NT ever again about trmp being Christian or supporting Christian values. Hate is not a virtue
and before any of you go there...I'm not a Christian so you can't hold me to the same values
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It is called karma.
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Trump is being kind,
Yet it was Trump standing in front of a church holding a bible upside down. A sure sign of a satanist.
You misspelled retarded.
Unfortunately, this is what religion breeds. If you’re capable of believing the kind of tripe that exists in the “good book”, then you are capable of being led to believe the most absurd projections from the worst human being on earth. Assuming he is human, that is.
All the hate coming from the left????? This is Presidential?
Do Republicans teach their children that this president is the example to follow?
As he was saying...
This coming from the least Christian person on the planet.
This seems to be the way to further advance the idea that anyone who is not a christian is fair game for whatever the Gov't decides to do to them. Are we going to deny rights to non-christians, would it be better to just put them in camps like the "illegals?"
The People of the United States call the current President moronic. And a fat slob.