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Satan
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Found this to be hilarious for some reason.  

So a discussion on who or what you think Satan is.

For me there is no designated entity as Satan.  I know there is evil in the world, but I believe that evil is strictly committed by mankind.  Humans do not need an evil entity to lead them astray - we are all capable of evil and we are all capable of good.  What we choose makes us the people we are. 

Just my take on Satan and evil.


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Veronica
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1  author  Veronica    2 weeks ago

Play nice.

OFF TOPIC topics - Trump, Biden, Obama & anyone that is connected to politics.  This is about your thoughts about Satan and evil.  While you may think those people are Satan or evil I do not want this to become a political shit show.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 weeks ago

Don't believe in the dude. People are evil. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    2 weeks ago

dude is a victim of bad PR.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.1.1  author  Veronica  replied to  devangelical @2.1    2 weeks ago

Sounds a little like you.....jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    2 weeks ago

Those are my thoughts as well.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    2 weeks ago

There have been some pretty horrific things done in the name of "God" and the perception of "good".  Really makes me question who is "good" and who is "evil".

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    2 weeks ago

Well, I have to agree with you there Jeremy. But whether they say that they are good or evil... if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck.... 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.1    2 weeks ago

I agree.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    2 weeks ago

Really makes me question who is "good" and who is "evil".

Going by the bible, the only known reference book, you have to wonder why Satan is considered the evil one.

In the bible, Satan is responsible for killing 1 person, and that was with god's permission.

In the bible, god has killed millions, many on a whim.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.3.4  Ender  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.3    2 weeks ago

Hell, God let his own son be tortured and killed.

I always wondered too, if Jesus was dead for three days, wouldn't his body be kind of rank and decayed when he came back...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.3    2 weeks ago
In the bible, god has killed millions, many on a whim.

The whole "God is good" aspect  is what baffles me with those who go on and on about the bible; do they not really read it or just certain excerpts that others tell them.  My guess is the latter.

 
 
 
Ender
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2.3.6  Ender  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.5    2 weeks ago

People have been doing that for longer than I have been alive. I see people cherry pick certain passages and claim they enforce whatever message they are trying to portray.

I have seen a lot of "Christians' use text and read exclusively from the Old Testament.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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2.3.7  mocowgirl  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.5    2 weeks ago
do they not really read it or just certain excerpts that others tell them.  My guess is the latter.

Most of the older Christians I knew as a child had the old Testament hammered into them because the wages of sin doctrine was the norm in the 1950s-60s-70s era when I attended various evangelical churches.  Satan became a popular scapegoat in literature, movies and made for tv movies in the 1970s.  Rosemary's Baby is a good example.

Not long after the rise in popularity of Satan in mainstream entertainment media, Satan became a superstar in the news media in the 1980s.  Geraldo Riveria spent many happy years reporting on the rituals of Satanic cults.  Second to Satan, the entertainment and news media assured us that a nuclear Armageddon was imminent.

In the face of all of the horrific things that Satan was doing by possessing average people and world leaders, the public needed some emotional relief from all of the fear-mongering - a hero.  We were handed the ever present, ever loving Jesus who would save us from all evil if we would just give him total control of our lives and at least 10 percent of our earnings.  Religious fearmongering caused Stockholm Syndrome  & induced the majority of people to attend church and at least give them some portion of their hard-earned income.  

Think about it.  Shaking down people for money is illegal for every other organization except government and religion.   

I have a sister-in-law that has given at least 10 percent of her truck driving husband's income to various churches for decades.  They raised 3 children in poverty and live just above the poverty level today.  The rare occasions that I have had to endure her company, conversations revolve around whatever her current preacher is identifying as the evils of society - in today's religious world, Satan's evil don't even compare with how evil women are for using birth control

Satan is nothing more than a fictional scapegoat, a tool for evil, controlling people.

As to how evil the bible is, some nice person, or persons, have made a handy reference for those who have not had to endure decades of religious indoctrination.

Evil Bible .com – Fighting Against Immorality in Religion

Welcome to the EvilBible.com website.

This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible.  For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes.  The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This  God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.  I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along.

It always amazes me how many times this  God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said   Thou shall not kill . For example,  God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).
 
 
 
cobaltblue
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2.3.8  cobaltblue  replied to  Ender @2.3.6    2 weeks ago
I see people cherry pick certain passages and claim they enforce whatever message they are trying to portray

I have a problem with pick-and-choose leviticans. They think homosexuality is an abomination, but they make that proclamation while eating lobster and shrimp and dressed in levi's and a silk shirt after an afternoon of tossing the ol' pigskin around. After they got their beard trimmed at supercuts, of course. If anyone doesn't get the reference, then they don't know their bible and just parroting shit.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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2.3.9  mocowgirl  replied to  mocowgirl @2.3.7    2 weeks ago
We were handed the ever present, ever loving Jesus who would save us

Jesus saves men from all sins they commit.

If female, Jesus saves on a conditional basis.

None, of the above, is actually in either the Old or New Testament.

According to the Bible, sins are given equality, and abortion is never mentioned as a sin.

If the Christians really care about an afterlife according to their religion, they need to read the instructions and adhere to them.  Anyone, using the Bible to control others, are guaranteed everlasting torment in Hell according to the rules set down by their loving Yahweh.  

Deuteronomy 4:2 You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you. (biblehub.com) Revelation 22:18
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

Revelation 22:19
And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.10  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @2.3.7    2 weeks ago
Geraldo Riveria spent many happy years reporting on the rituals of Satanic cults.

I know that my step brother watched a movie in his Catholic youth group called "Caught in the Satanic Web".  His girlfriend's parents were the groups leaders, and that night after the meeting he stayed at their house so his mother didn't have to come into town to pick him up.  His girlfriend was so scared (or so she said) after that movie he slept in her bed with her that night.....Good Catholics.

I do admit the movie was disturbing.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.3.11  Hallux  replied to  mocowgirl @2.3.9    2 weeks ago
Jesus saves men from all sins they commit.

Maybe it was Mary who did all of the saving. Peter was the only married one which would have put him out of bounds but on the 'right' track. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.5    2 weeks ago
The whole "God is good" aspect  is what baffles me with those who go on and on about the bible; do they not really read it or just certain excerpts that others tell them.  My guess is the latter.

Their knowledge of the bible never passes the Sunday school level.

I know that when I went to Sunday school as a child, I had the audacity to ask the teacher a question.  Not only did she refuse to answer, my parents grounded me for a week afterwards because they were told that I showed disrespect to the teacher.

The class that day had been on the 10 Commandments, and after reading the 1st one to the class, I asked the teacher:

"What other gods is he talking about"?

Her reply was that, "There is only 1 true god".

So I asked, "Then why did he say there were others in that commandment"?

Her next reply was, "Go sit in that corner and face the wall.  We'll have none of your backtalk here".

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.12    2 weeks ago
"What other gods is he talking about"?

Her reply was that, "There is only 1 true god".

So I asked, "Then why did he say there were others in that commandment"?

Her next reply was, "Go sit in that corner and face the wall.  We'll have none of your backtalk here".

Apparently you put more thought into it than the "teacher".  I do the same to my "born again" mother in law.  Drivers her absolutely insane.  Kind of fun from my perspective.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.14  Ozzwald  replied to  mocowgirl @2.3.9    2 weeks ago
According to the Bible, sins are given equality, and abortion is never mentioned as a sin.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3.13    2 weeks ago

Apparently you put more thought into it than the "teacher".

Guess I was lucky my parents weren't told to stone me for my insolence.

Drivers her absolutely insane.  Kind of fun from my perspective.

Logic does push their buttons.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.16  author  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.12    2 weeks ago
"Go sit in that corner and face the wall.  We'll have none of your backtalk here".

Pretty much the same for me when I asked questions.  Like - what did they feed the carnivores on the ark?  Did god make them vegetarians for the trip?  And what did they do with the elephant shit - toss it overboard?  Did they have big enough shovels at the time - did they have shovels?  Who did Cain & Abel marry?  Were Adam & Eve married?  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.17  Ozzwald  replied to  Veronica @2.3.16    2 weeks ago
Pretty much the same for me when I asked questions.  Like - what did they feed the carnivores on the ark?  Did god make them vegetarians for the trip?  And what did they do with the elephant shit - toss it overboard?  Did they have big enough shovels at the time - did they have shovels?  Who did Cain & Abel marry?  Were Adam & Eve married?

"The Ark Encounter" has answers for all those questions.  You just have to suspend your beliefs, and any common sense knowledge, to believe them.

And since the apple was the "fruit of knowledge", does that mean god wanted mankind to remain ignorant?

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.18  author  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.14    2 weeks ago

I love that shit. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.19  author  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.17    2 weeks ago
does that mean god wanted mankind to remain ignorant?

And NAKED - let us not forget NAKED.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.20  author  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.17    2 weeks ago
"The Ark Encounter"

I wouldn't go there if it had the last clean rest room in Kentucky.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.3.21  Ozzwald  replied to  Veronica @2.3.20    2 weeks ago
I wouldn't go there if it had the last clean rest room in Kentucky.

Based on their last income statement, neither is anyone else.  Plus this "accurate" depiction of Noah's Ark, is falling apart with most damage being water damage from the rains. 

Yeah, ironic doesn't even come close.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.22  author  Veronica  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.21    2 weeks ago

Irony.....

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Hallux
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2.3.23  Hallux  replied to  Veronica @2.3.16    one week ago
Were Adam & Eve married?

Adam was previously married to an Ewe, that part was purposefully lost in translation.

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.24  author  Veronica  replied to  Hallux @2.3.23    one week ago

Ahhhhhh - so the sheep thing is true.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.3.25  Hallux  replied to  Veronica @2.3.24    one week ago

Which brings up the Greek + nervous sheep rejoinder: After we fvck 'em you eat 'em.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.3.26  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @2.3.25    one week ago

I love a leg of Lamb.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    2 weeks ago
Don't believe in the dude. People are evil. 

Interestingly that is exactly the divide among Satanists as well.

" Since the 19th century, various small religious groups have emerged that identify as Satanists or use Satanic iconography. The Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are  theistic Satanism  and  atheistic Satanism . Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity, viewing him not as omnipotent but rather as a patriarch . In contrast, atheistic Satanists regard Satan as a symbol of certain human traits ."

Satanism - Wikipedia

So not all Satanists actually believe in Satan. For the theistic Satanists they are just the same religious zealots as their counterparts, mainly Christianity, Judaism and Islam which of course all come from the same religious root of Abraham, they just chose to be on the opposing side. For atheistic Satanists, they clearly don't acknowledge Satan as real because if they did they would be admitting to God's existence. For them Satan is more of a mascot or symbol for human nature and the subjectivity of the definition of 'good' and 'evil'.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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3  evilgenius    2 weeks ago

History in brief:

The first known historical mentions of the Jewish ha-satan was a figure that tested the followers of Yahweh as a subordinate. It wasn't until the Zoroastrian influence during the intertestamental period that we see satan depicted as a malevolent entity in opposite of God. In the Book of Jubilees we see God give Mastema (or satan) dominion over the fallen angles to temp humans to sin and punish them. In the Christian version of things we don't see Satan (now with capital letter) until he temps Jesus in the desert. Later during the medieval Christian theology what little of Satan we see is often a character used as comic relief or mystery. The truly evil entity we often consider now is mostly of modern invention.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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4  cobaltblue    2 weeks ago

I love the sheets!

Oh wait. You said 'satan'. I thought you meant ... oh, nevermind.

If satan went on the Dr. Phil show, satan would bring up his bad parenting. At which point, Dr. Phil will say "I don't ask why you're evil, I ask why not." I've recently retired and such is daytime tv. And isn't there a stairway to heaven and a highway to hell? If I'm going anywhere, I'm driving.

 
 
 
Veronica
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4.1  author  Veronica  replied to  cobaltblue @4    2 weeks ago

Glad I don't have to decide on those placers - will just head to Summerland where I can do as I please.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  cobaltblue @4    2 weeks ago

You need a hobby, my dear. Daytime TV will rot your brain. I'm slowly regaining some of those dead cells when I was laid up in bed 4 years ago

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5  Drinker of the Wry    2 weeks ago

Fire
I'll take you to burn
Fire
I'll take you to learn
I'll see you burn!
You fought hard and you saved and learned

but all of it's going to burn
And your mind
Your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind
Now's your time burn your mind
You're falling far too far behind
Oh no
Oh no
Oh no
You gonna burn!

 
 
 
Veronica
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5.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5    2 weeks ago

HeeHee....Oh to be worried about that when the world is burning now.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Veronica @5.1    2 weeks ago
Oh to be worried about that when the world is burning now

He actually made a very interesting concept album about facing your demons while on a psychedelic trip.  I wish that I could have seen him perform it.

 
 
 
Veronica
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5.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Since you didn't cite the words I assumed they were yours.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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5.1.3  mocowgirl  replied to  Veronica @5.1.2    2 weeks ago
Since you didn't cite the words I assumed they were yours.

I clicked on the words in blue, and was directed to a youtube video.

 
 
 
Veronica
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5.1.4  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @5.1.3    2 weeks ago

Ah, my bad.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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5.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  Veronica @5.1.4    2 weeks ago
my bad

Apropos of a satan article!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Veronica @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

Did the link to the video not work?

 
 
 
Veronica
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5.1.7  author  Veronica  replied to  cobaltblue @5.1.5    2 weeks ago

I aim to please.....jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Veronica
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5.1.8  author  Veronica  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

I didn't see the link until it was pointed out to me to click on the blue words....sorry bout that.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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5.1.9  Steve Ott  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

I used to own that record as a kid. I liked it.

 
 
 
Hallux
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6  Hallux    2 weeks ago

Satan? Just another guy at the end of the bar with a bad reputation and gets all the girls who dream of being the last one.

Any hoot, the Satan I know loves the 3 Ms ... Music, Money and Mmmmmm_pussy.

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Hallux @6    2 weeks ago

Think I will buy him a drink.

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Veronica @6.1    2 weeks ago

Just don't call him Archie.

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Hallux @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Hmmmm - should I tempt fate?  jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Veronica @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

Only if Betty is around and wearing Polka Dots ...

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.1.4  author  Veronica  replied to  Hallux @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

Thanks - that was great.

Betty is a drag....too perky.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

I had always wanted to see Leonard Cohen  but never could make it happen until just before it was too late.  Then my wife and I got a chance to see him in a spectacular venue, Radio City Music Hall.  Dark suite, fedora, gravely voice, superb backup singers and almost more emotion than I could handle.  At 78, he did six more songs in his two encores.  It was a night that I'll never forget.

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.5    2 weeks ago

I've daydreamed about him being backed up by the Dixie Chicks.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @6.1.6    2 weeks ago

I like The Chicks as well and have four of their albums.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.7    2 weeks ago

As do I, boy are we ever a couple of tuned-in nice guys!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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6.2  cobaltblue  replied to  Hallux @6    2 weeks ago
gets all the girls who dream of being the last one.

Omigod, that's such a great line. Some women are rescuers and think they can 'fix' men. My Dad wouldn't use corporal punishment because he didn't want my sister and me to think that a man can love us and lay their hands on us too. It worked. Neither my sister nor I have had to put up with any type of shit.

Men out there: If you're broken, your daughters most likely seek out men to "fix." 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.2.1  Hallux  replied to  cobaltblue @6.2    2 weeks ago

It's an old joke about Lothario and that other Casanova guy.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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6.2.2  mocowgirl  replied to  cobaltblue @6.2    2 weeks ago
Some women are rescuers and think they can 'fix' men.

I agree with your sentiments.  

Unfortunately, we are taught to fix thing from a young age - fix our hair, fix our makeup, fix our dress, etc. to prepare us to fix their dinner, etc.

I googled "who reads more self-help books".  I was not surprised to find out it is women.  And they tend to be getting their "self help" advice from male authors.  I wasn't sure how beneficial this could be until I checked the charts in the article and found books about learning how to not give a fuck to be very popular among women.  So if the men we are living with have not succeed in teaching us how to not give a fuck maybe a book will?

Who reads self-help books? Goodreads data show women are reading books written by men — Quartz (qz.com)

There’s a new sexist cliché; Not only don’t men want to ask for directions when they get lost,   market research  suggests that they don’t read self-help books, either. Or at least admit to it. As Alain de Botton wrote in a  Guardian  column:  “Anyone wanting to damage their intellectual credentials at a stroke need only do one simple thing: confess they read self-help books.”

Men may also fear they’ll be judged as weak or incompetent spotted at a book store buying  “ Who Moved My Cheese “, but when it comes to writing self-help books? They’re the primary authors.

To get a better sense of the role gender plays between readers and authors, Quartz analyzed   the most-read “self-help” books on Goodreads.  We found gender has a huge role in who reads, writes and rates literature.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7  mocowgirl    2 weeks ago

I have to say the meme is hilarious.  The visuals I had were even better.  Best laugh I've had in weeks, and I've watched a lot of comedy.  Thank you.

People need a scapegoat to take the blame when they've offended or caused harm to others.  Satan, the dog, parents, planetary alignment - the culprit depends on what the target audience finds the most believable.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.1  Ender  replied to  mocowgirl @7    2 weeks ago
Satan, the dog,

My Grandfather was a Methodist minister, so was my Great Grandfather. It was before my time but my Great Grandparents use to have a dog named Satan. According to everyone, he was.

It was a running joke that my Great Grandmother, a ministers wife would be outside yelling and calling for Satan.

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.1.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Ender @7.1    2 weeks ago
calling for Satan.

That would have been cool.  "here Satan, come here, boy...who's mommy's good boy, Satan"....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

OMG I'm busting a gut over here

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.1.3  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.2    2 weeks ago

Laughter is my defense against the insanity of the world at the moment.

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @7    2 weeks ago
I have to say the meme is hilarious.

It was on my FB this morning and I got laughing so hard I choked on my coffee.  

People need a scapegoat

I do find that to be true so often.  With my belief system it is all on us...what I do (good or bad) comes back 3 fold.  I don't like the idea of 3x bad, so I try to be good....jrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2.1  mocowgirl  replied to  Veronica @7.2    2 weeks ago
With my belief system it is all on us...what I do (good or bad) comes back 3 fold.

I took a belief test on the internet several years ago.  I identified as a neo pagan probably because of my love/reverence for nature/existence. 

I have researched some of the rituals that Wicca observes with the changing of the seasons.  I could see me practicing some of them in an effort to feel better connected to nature when I am housebound due to weather or sheer laziness.  Most of the year, I am fortunate enough to wake up to birds singing for joy, cats meowing for breakfast and hens clucking to be granted freedom from their house.

I usually spend enough time digging dirt in the garden to feel connected to the Earth.  Arthritis and winter inactivity are taking a toll.  Planting six tomato plants kicked my butt yesterday afternoon.   

Also, I usually walk barefoot in the yard as much as possible.  This spring, I have allowed a dozen hens to free range the yard.  Barefoot is not an option at this time.  LOL!

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.2  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.1    2 weeks ago

I am working on my Summerland garden, but the weekends have been rained out for the most part in my neck of the woods.  I have the windows open & smell the fresh air & then my sinuses close up due to allergies.  Sigh....

Love to be barefoot & that is one reason I do not like chickens roaming around eiwwww

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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7.2.3  mocowgirl  replied to  Veronica @7.2.2    2 weeks ago
Love to be barefoot & that is one reason I do not like chickens roaming around eiwwww

I have 10 acres surrounded by farmland.  The chickens have a lot of territory, so it isn't awful.  They have a very large pen, but once they eat all of the vegetation, they run the fences demanding access to the clover in the yard.  If I had the garden fenced, I would let them have the yard all year.  I enjoy watching them police the yard for insects.  

 
 
 
Veronica
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7.2.4  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @7.2.3    2 weeks ago

When I was young our chickens were out 3 seasons out of the year.  Made a mess of the yard... croquet was hard to play.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8  TᵢG    2 weeks ago

Maybe Satan is just misunderstood.

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.1  author  Veronica  replied to  TᵢG @8    2 weeks ago

Awesome movie & AL NAILED it.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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8.2  evilgenius  replied to  TᵢG @8    2 weeks ago

Sympathy for the Devil

 
 
 
Veronica
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8.2.1  author  Veronica  replied to  evilgenius @8.2    2 weeks ago

OOOOhhhh - I love that one.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.2.2  cobaltblue  replied to  Veronica @8.2.1    2 weeks ago
I love that one.

Me too.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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8.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  evilgenius @8.2    2 weeks ago

My favorite Stones' song

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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8.2.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  evilgenius @8.2    2 weeks ago

jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
cobaltblue
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8.3  cobaltblue  replied to  TᵢG @8    2 weeks ago
Satan is just misunderstood.

Oh, that's good!

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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9  Steve Ott    2 weeks ago

As, Anton Szandor LaVey once said, evil is live spelled backwards. Satan contains the same letters as Santa. So what's in a name? It's all in the mind.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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9.1  mocowgirl  replied to  Steve Ott @9    2 weeks ago
As, Anton Szandor LaVey once said, evil is live spelled backwards. Satan contains the same letters as Santa. So what's in a name? It's all in the mind.

I agree.

Devil spelled backwards is lived.  

Is this how conspiracy theories are started?  To live is to be evil and spelling Devil backwards is proof that the Devil lived?

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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9.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  mocowgirl @9.1    2 weeks ago

In the old testament, Satan seems to have several names and several functions, mostly good ones. At some point, Satan is made to be bad.

I think it is all lost in translation and no one knows just what the hell they are talking about.

 
 
 
Veronica
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9.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

Lucifer - the bringer of light

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

I think there is a lot lost in translation when it comes to the bible.  

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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9.1.4  mocowgirl  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.3    2 weeks ago
I think there is a lot lost in translation when it comes to the bible.  

Out of necessity.  

Today, it might be difficult to get people convinced they are worshipping a loving god when it used to require human sacrifice.

It is rarely mentioned today that Yahweh found the smell of burning flesh pleasing.  What is never mentioned, is that burning flesh used to be human.  

God Loves the Aroma of Burning Animals and Grain | Bible Verses Rarely Read on Sunday (wordpress.com)

Bible Verses Rarely Read on Sunday

Bible verses that preachers and religious teachers ignore. 
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  mocowgirl @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

They omit the sacrifice and mass murder when they talk about him.  For example they leave out WHY god flooded the earth in the story of Noah.  But they'll focus on one family "blessed" with survival.  Sorry, the story screams of jealousy and incest.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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9.1.6  Steve Ott  replied to  Veronica @9.1.2    2 weeks ago

Samael "..an archangel in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore; a figure who is the accuser (Satan), seducer, and destroyer (Mashhit)."

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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9.1.7  mocowgirl  replied to  mocowgirl @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

I am citing one example of biblical scholars explaining human sacrifice being pleasing to Yahweh.  There are others if people care to research it.

Polytheism and Human Sacrifice in Early Israelite Religion | HuffPost Communities

And early on, the chosen people practiced human sacrifice? Let's hear it. What's your evidence?

Well the evidence is complex, and I lay much of it out in my book. But the short version is that human sacrifice was a rare but widespread practice in ancient Near Eastern religion, and there is evidence that until about the seventh and sixth centuries BCE, it was an acceptable part of Israelite and Judean religion as well. There's the story of the near-sacrifice of Isaac by his father Abraham. It is popularly believed that because an angel prevented Abraham from killing his son at the last moment, the story constitutes a condemnation of child sacrifice. But that's not the case. Isaac is spared not because human sacrifice is seen to be immoral, but because Isaac was the child of promise and needed to survive. In reality, the account depends upon the logic of human sacrifice, because Abraham is praised for his willingness to kill his own son to appease Yahweh.

There is evidence that ancient Israelites believed that human sacrifices could be offered to Yahweh in exchange for victory in battle against their enemies. The Israelite warrior Jephthah sacrificed his virgin daughter to Yahweh in fulfillment of a vow he made in order to secure Yahweh's help in battle. The same ideology can be seen in some early accounts of the Canaanite conquest, in which Yahweh gives Israelites victory against Canaanite armies, and the Israelites in turn slaughter all of the women and children in payment to Yahweh for his aid.

There's also evidence that Yahweh commanded human sacrifice in the law of Moses. Later, when the practice of human sacrifice fell into disrepute among elite circles, the prophet Ezekiel confirms that Yahweh commanded human sacrifice, but interprets that command as a form of punishment for Israel's disobedience. Ezekiel needed a way to deal with that tradition found in Exodus 22, and did so by claiming that Yahweh ordered them to kill their firstborn sons as a way of getting back at them for their lack of faith in him. Obviously Ezekiel's solution to the problem was problematic in itself, but at least we can thank him for helping to put an end to the institution of child sacrifice in Israelite religion.
 
 
 
Veronica
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9.1.8  author  Veronica  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.6    2 weeks ago

Old English   Belzebub , Philistine god worshipped at Ekron (II Kings i.2), from Latin, used in Vulgate for New Testament Greek   beelzeboub , from Hebrew   ba'al-z'bub   "lord of the flies," from   ba'al   "lord" (see   Baal ) +   z'bhubh   "fly." Said to have been worshipped as having the power to drive away troublesome flies. By later Christian writers often taken as another name for "Satan," though Milton made him one of the fallen angels.

Baal   being originally a title, it was applied by the Hebrews to neighboring divinities based on their attributes; other examples include   Baal-berith   "the covenant lord," god of the Shechemites;   Baal-peor   "lord of the opening," a god of Moab and Midian.

"Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me,
For meee"  Songwriters: Frederick Mercury

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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9.1.9  mocowgirl  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.5    2 weeks ago
Sorry, the story screams of jealousy and incest.

Incest was how the population increased from the beginning according to the Bible.  However, according to today's world class laymen scholars of Christianity, human DNA was different in the beginning and that is why inbreeding did not cause the harmful effects we see today.  

Although, none of them can explain why it changed, it just did.

Although, none of them know when it changed, it just did.

For some people, 42  (or forty-two) is the  Answer  to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everythin g for others, it just did.

It is too bad that the evangelicals won't accept the same answer for how existence began, it just did.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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9.1.10  afrayedknot  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

“…Satan is made to be bad…”

“He fashioned hell for the inquisitive.” ~Saint Augustine

Sign me up…an eternity worth of questions to be asked…plus it’s a dry heat. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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9.1.11  Steve Ott  replied to  afrayedknot @9.1.10    2 weeks ago
it’s a dry heat

Got plenty of that here in the Chihuahua desert.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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9.1.12  al Jizzerror  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.11    2 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
pat wilson
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9.1.13  pat wilson  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.6    one week ago

"Mashhit" would be a good word for "destroyer". 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

I have a meme on my face book page that says "What will Satan say to you?"

"Your throne My Liege"

Yeah...he'd better give up that seat when I get there. There's gonna be some changes!

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @10    2 weeks ago

Will there be cool drinks with little umbrellas?  If so I may stop in for a drink.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @10.1    2 weeks ago

Absolutely! We won't be making blender drinks when the band's playing tho

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.2  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

That's OK - I can deal with that - Which bands do you have lined up?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

AC/DC

KISS

Black Sabbath

Poison

and Elvis. Must have Elvis

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.4  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

Elvis is in HELL???? Must be those hips.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @10.1.4    2 weeks ago

He makes guest appearances

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.6  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.5    2 weeks ago

I will have to see if I can sneak in my Catholic daughter so she can see him.  She is a Elvis freak.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @10.1.6    2 weeks ago

That's one of my changes...I'm implementing Catholic Night. All Catholics good or backsliding get in free

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.8  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

As long as it is an Elvis night.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Veronica @10.1.8    2 weeks ago

Any night Elvis is guest hosting it will be Catholic Night

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.1.10  author  Veronica  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.1.9    2 weeks ago

That will make my dear one extremely happy.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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10.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Trout Giggles @10    2 weeks ago
Yeah...he'd better give up that seat when I get there. There's gonna be some changes!

Reminds me of one of my favorite comedy skits based on the 16 personalities.  

 
 
 
Veronica
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10.2.1  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @10.2    2 weeks ago

 I like it.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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10.2.2  mocowgirl  replied to  Veronica @10.2.1    2 weeks ago
I like it.

He does one for Heaven, also. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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10.2.3  pat wilson  replied to  mocowgirl @10.2    one week ago

Lol, where's Krishna ? He would tell you about all of them.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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10.2.4  mocowgirl  replied to  pat wilson @10.2.3    one week ago
Lol, where's Krishna ? He would tell you about all of them.

Yes.  I've had fun watching these type skits for comic relief ever since Krishna introduced me to the 16 personalities on a discussion on this site.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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11  al Jizzerror    2 weeks ago

Okay,  Lucifer is a NewStalker.

I'd like his opinion, but, every time he replies to me, the reply gets deleted.

I'm an atheist so I don't believe in Satan.

Lots of church people believe in Satan.

OTOH....

Maybe Satan does exist?

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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11.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  al Jizzerror @11    2 weeks ago

He's the spawn of Satan. I still say he's the Anti-Christ

 
 
 
Veronica
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11.2  author  Veronica  replied to  al Jizzerror @11    2 weeks ago

Now Al, no Trump.....  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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11.2.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Veronica @11.2    2 weeks ago

Sorry, the Devil made me do it.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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11.2.2  mocowgirl  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.2.1    2 weeks ago
Sorry, the Devil made me do it.

As long as it ain't your fault.  LOL!  

I wanted to post the official video to this song.  It's funny, but it is political.

 
 
 
Veronica
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11.2.3  author  Veronica  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.2.1    2 weeks ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif   All good.  He makes me do stuff too.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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11.2.4  al Jizzerror  replied to  mocowgirl @11.2.2    2 weeks ago

How cum the Osborne on the right is breathing through his hair?

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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11.2.5  mocowgirl  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.2.4    one week ago
How cum the Osborne on the right is breathing through his hair?

I don't know.  Lack of grooming products?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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11.2.6  al Jizzerror  replied to  mocowgirl @11.2.2    one week ago
I wanted to post the official video to this song.  It's funny, but it is political.

It's bipartisan so here it is:

Sorry, Veronica, Satan made me post it.

It ain't my fault.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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11.2.7  mocowgirl  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.2.6    one week ago
It's bipartisan so here it is:

ROFLMAO!!!  I knew this would happen when I commented that I wouldn't post it because it was political.

You have skillfully managed to break the first rule and claim you didn't and get by with it.  Kudos!

OFF TOPIC topics - Trump, Biden, Obama & anyone that is connected to politics. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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11.2.8  author  Veronica  replied to  mocowgirl @11.2.7    one week ago

Eh??? What are you gonna do - it's Al.  And a comment he made elsewhere absolves him of his "sin" here.

 
 
 
mocowgirl
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11.2.9  mocowgirl  replied to  Veronica @11.2.8    one week ago
Eh??? What are you gonna do - it's Al.

Exactly.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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11.3  Steve Ott  replied to  al Jizzerror @11    2 weeks ago

LMAO! How could I have forgotten about the church lady?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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12  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

John Milton (Al Pacino) was a pretty good Satan in Devil's Advocate.

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Drinker of the Wry
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12.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12    one week ago
Devil's Advocate

Not a great movie but it was fun to watch John Grisham meet the Exorcist.  I loved Pacino's lines and his marble bas relief that displays an orgy. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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12.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @12.1    one week ago
"John Grisham meet the Exorcist"

John Grisham the lawyer story novelist?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
12.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @12.1    one week ago

I think I get what you mean - putting a story about lawyers together with the devil.  Is that right?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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12.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1.2    one week ago

Buzz, yes, figuratively.  I should have made it clear, this was a lawyer meet the Devil movie.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
12.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @12.1.3    one week ago

It's okay, it just took me a bit to figure out what you meant.  I've read most of Grisham's novels and watched the movies made from them.

 
 
 
Freefaller
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13  Freefaller    one week ago

Satan is a mythical character in a mythical belief system, no different than Hades, Miclantecuhtli or any other religions lords of the underworld.  Evil however is real but only because we are real

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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13.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Freefaller @13    one week ago
Satan is a mythical character in a mythical belief system,

God is also a mythical Character in many mythical belief systems.

Ancient insecure goat herders created God in an attempt to explain the unexplainable.

 
 
 
Veronica
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13.1.1  author  Veronica  replied to  al Jizzerror @13.1    4 days ago

That is HILARIOUS.

 
 

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