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2020's unfinished business

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  6 years ago  •  32 comments


2020's unfinished business
“A lot of people who maybe voted against Trump, for whatever reason, we think may come back to us because they see the value of split government

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Today happens to be the voter registration deadline in the state of Georgia. There are just 30 days left until Georgia voters will decide which candidates to send to Washington and which political party will ultimately control the US Senate.
After a tumultuous election which featured last minute election rule changes and irregularities in crucial battleground states, Georgia had it's own share of controversies. On election night in Georgia as President Trump seemed to be running away with the Presidential election, it was suddenly reported that vote counting had stopped in Fulton County due to a water main break in Atlanta. At that time vote counting was supposedly halted, poll workers were supposedly sent home and poll watchers were asked to leave. Later when counting resumed an avalanche of Biden votes swung the states election over to Joe Biden. One Georgia resident, attorney Paul J. Dzikowski, attempted to obtain more information on the reported water main break in Atlanta. He sent a letter requesting any information related to the water main break under the Georgia Open Records Act. All that the attorney or any one else would ever learn of the matter were via a few obscure text messages. "These messages were from the Sr. Vice President of the Atlanta Hawks, Geoffrey Stiles, who called it a “slow leak” that was “contained quickly,” and he said the entire thing was “highly exaggerated.”

After the election a video surfaced of what happened after poll watchers were told vote counting was over for the night (thought it happened well after the water main incident:




In addition Georgia election officials made two secret deals with democrats, later to be known as consent decrees. One of which made signature identification almost impossible and it was not theirs to make. As with what went down in PA - Only State Legislatures can make election laws & rules.

Currently GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has initiated investigations into various groups, including one founded by former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, for seeking to “aggressively” register “ineligible, out-of-state, or deceased voters” before the January 5 runoff elections. Could Abrams be engaging in a felony? She has been actively involved in Georgia's most recent elections.  Let us not forget that she has been lionized by the left for not conceding the GA Governor's election.

Oddly enough, in the presidential election, Joe Biden was the only democrat to win statewide in Georgia.



As for the runoff elections - In case you missed it:

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Last night Incumbent Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler and her Democratic challenger, Rev. Raphael Warnock, faced off in what just might be the only debate in the state's all important Senate runoff elections. Hosted by the Atlanta Press Club and broadcast from Georgia Public Broadcasting’s studio in Atlanta, the debate featured a good glimpse of the two candidates contesting one of the two Senate races.

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Senator Kelly Loeffler

The current Senator, Kelly Loeffler was appointed by the Governor 10 months ago and though she didn't seem to receive any damaging blows from her opponent during the debate, it was the hosts who made her association with the President a topic. She was repeatedly questioned about whether she thought the Georgia election was rigged. She managed to dodge the bullet every time by saying the President had the right to raise questions about/litigate it. The hosts then used the dispute between the Governor and the President in order to put her in a difficult position by asking her where her loyalty stood - with the Governor who appointed her or the President who endorsed her. She wisely responded with "My loyalty is to the people of Georgia!"

Her opponent is the Pastor Raphael Warnock, who is sadly pastor for what is arguably the most sacrosanct church in Georgia - The Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta (MLK's Church).


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Pastor Raphael Warnock

The odd thing about this debate is that the questioners didn't question Warnock on the obvious - his views. That little detail was left to Senator Loeffler and she did it well throughout the course of the debate. You see, Warnock has some fairly radical views when it comes to the subject of race (his favorite subject it would seem). In 2017 he said that the nation’s “pre-existing condition” is “racism.” He also said that one could not serve God and serve in the military. He also once said police acted like gangsters, thugs, and bullies. ( https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/09/22/democrat-senate-candidate-called-police-gangsters-thugs-bullies-a-danger-to-children-n954846 ). 

We also learned that the unique Reverend was arrested in 2002 for Obstructing a Child Abuse Investigation!


Loeffler recalled such quotes numerous times during the debate and always referred to him as the "radical liberal Warnock." The low point for Warnock may have been his dodging of the question as to whether he would back a plan to pack the Supreme Court. He refused to answer it twice.


In the other Senate contest only one candidate accepted the invitation to debate and that was democrat Jon Ossoff.

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Jon Ossoff

Despite having only one candidate accepting the debate, the Atlanta Press Club chose not to cancel it and allowed Jon Ossoff to stand on stage by himself, debating against an empty lectern, rather than  Sen. David Perdue. Ossoff had little to do but call Purdue "arrogant" for not attending the debate.

The debates may not be all that important since the GA runoff elections have become more of a struggle over which party controls the Senate. This time, however, the President's name will not be on the ballot and that helps voters focus on what is really at stake in these two elections.


 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

The election is less than 30 days away and all eyes are on Georgia


No pictures or cartoons

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
Georgia voters will decide which candidates to send to Washington and which political party will ultimately control the US Senate

I'm counting on trump's super spreader rally to work it's magic on some voters in the coming weeks.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago

OOOOO, a debunked video! MORE proof of NOTHING.

In addition Georgia election officials made two secret deals with democrats, later to be known as consent decrees. 

OOOOO SO secret that they were filed IN COURT and accepted by a Judge. 

SO secret that they were published to the PUBLIC record.

SO secret that notices went out to every county. 

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One of which made signature identification almost impossible and it was not theirs to make.

Utter bullshit. 

As with what went down in PA - Only State Legislatures can make election laws & rules.

Gee, I wonder why that Judge agreed to allow them to sign a consent decree that they weren't legally allowed to sign? 

Even MORE curious is WHERE THE FUCK the Trump Campaign and REPUBLICAN legislature was from March to November? Because they sure as hell weren't anywhere near a court room arguing that the consent decree was invalid...

Guess it magically became invalid early on November 4th...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2    6 years ago
OOOOO, a debunked video! MORE proof of NOTHING.

Partly debunked. Partly true.


OOOOO SO secret that they were filed IN COURT and accepted by a Judge.

It's not up to a court


Utter bullshit. 

Practicality!  Have you ever worked on elections?  Try and get two individuals processing ballots to check a signature every time you see a signature discrepancy.


Gee, I wonder why that Judge agreed to allow them to sign a consent decree that they weren't legally allowed to sign? 

Democrats took great interest in Judicial elections in PA. They had their eye on 2020.


Even MORE curious is WHERE THE FUCK the Trump Campaign and REPUBLICAN legislature was from March to November? Because they sure as hell weren't anywhere near a court room arguing that the consent decree was invalid...

The President did his part, he sounded the alarm many moths ago as soon as we all heard about the supposed need for mail-in voting and democrats started filing their hundreds of lawsuits. It was the Governors who should have called their legislatures into session to tell the courts - No, the power to change the rules rests with us.

This one's especially for you. You only need the first segment on PA:

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    6 years ago
Partly debunked. Partly true.

Utterly and completely debunked by the Gabriel Sterling, in a news conference.

It's not up to a court

Really Vic? It's a consent decree that settled a COURT CASE.

So WHO do you claim it is up to then? 

Practicality!  Have you ever worked on elections?  Try and get two individuals processing ballots to check a signature every time you see a signature discrepancy.

Gee Vic, any review of the Georgia live streamed videos will tell you that there were DOZENS of people within ear shot of each other.

I have to wonder WHERE the affidavits are from election registrars or clerks in Georgia claiming that they had issues with fulfilling the demands of the consent decrees. Since your scenario requires such evidence, I presume you can point me to them...or at LEAST someone that said that they witnessed it happen. 

Democrats took great interest in Judicial elections in PA. They had their eye on 2020.

Which is evidence of NOTHING. 

BTW, your seed and our conversation is about Georgia. 

The President did his part

He flapped his gums Vic. There is a legal concept called the mitigation of damages doctrine. If they thought, as you seem to believe they did, that they would be damaged by the decree, they COULD have and SHOULD have litigated the issue LONG before the election. They didn't. 

Now, SUDDENLY, it's a big deal. Or as I see it, just another deflective shinny object of many put out by Trump et al. 

This one's especially for you. You only need the first segment on PA:

Nope, Mark Levin is not a credible source. 

BTFW, you said at the start that it wasn't up to the court so why cite a source that blathers about the Constitution? Isn't that a court thingy? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2.2    6 years ago
Utterly and completely debunked by the Gabriel Sterling, in a news conference.

Not the part about everyone being told that counting was over - that was not true. Did you listen to the entire tape?


There is a legal concept called the mitigation of damages doctrine. 

There is another called Judicial review:

"The U.S. Supreme Court moved up a key deadline Sunday for Pennsylvania officials to respond to a last-minute bid by one of President Donald Trump’s top boosters in Congress to decertify the state’s elections results.

Previously, Associate Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who oversees emergency matters arising out of Pennsylvania for the court, had given state election administrators until Wednesday to file their response to the appeal from U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly (R., Butler), who has argued that Pennsylvania’s vote-by-mail law is unconstitutional and that   every mail ballot cast in the state should be thrown out .

But on Sunday, Alito moved up the schedule in Kelly’s case by a day, ordering state officials to respond by 9 a.m. Tuesday, instead.

The difference of just a day is significant, given that the previous deadline of Wednesday fell one day after what is known as the “safe harbor date,” the federal cutoff date for states to resolve any remaining election"





See you tomorrow!




 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    6 years ago
Not the part about everyone being told that counting was over - that was not true.

Oh but EVERYTHING ELSE that you said WAS debunked but you said it ANYWAY. 

Did you listen to the entire tape?

Yes. 

There is another called Judicial review:

Then your start blathering about PENNSYLVANIA! 

The video, the seed AND our discussion is about GEORGIA. 

I would appreciate it if you planted your fucking feet and make a cogent argument.

But hey Vic, you be you. 

Oh and BTFW, Pennsylvania ALREADY certified their electors. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    6 years ago

Here's a present: 

(ORDER LIST: 592 U.S.)
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2020
ORDER IN PENDING CASE
20A98 KELLY, MIKE, ET AL. V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.
The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice
Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.

120820zr_bq7d.pdf (supremecourt.gov)

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    6 years ago
One Georgia resident, attorney Paul J. Dzikowski, attempted to obtain more information on the reported water main break in Atlanta. He sent a letter requesting any information related to the water main break under the Georgia Open Records Act.

Since we are required per the CoC to post a link for verbatim quotes covered by copyright, here ya go:

Author: Joe Hoft

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.3    6 years ago

Gee, thanks!

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    6 years ago

Wouldn't want any allegations of plagiarism, would we Vic?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.3.2    6 years ago

I know. Some are always thinking of me!

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.4  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.3    6 years ago
I know. Some are always thinking of me!

Not of you, of NT. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

From the Reverend:

Raphael Warnock: "Love your neighbor—and for me that means you don't get rid of your neighbor's health care, particular in the middle of a pandemic."

And here I thought "loving thy neighbor' meant how we treat one another, respecting one another's right to a differing point of view!

Who knew?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Question: Would you support packing the Supreme Court?

Raphael Warnock: "I'm not focused on it."


He declined a chance to specifically renounce socialism and Marxism, but did say, “I believe in our free enterprise system.”



 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    6 years ago

Only a Democrat can get arrested for interfering in a child abuse investigation and it have  be a non-issue. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    6 years ago

When Sen Loeffler brought the incident up, Warnock claimed that the police actually thanked him for doing it!!!!

It really is insulting to one's intelligence. 

As I stated, it is so sad to find this guy now leading the Rev King's congregation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Why did you post a video in the article that does not help your cause ? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    6 years ago

In a few words I described both sides regarding the video.  Why do you call it my cause?  It is part of the President's cause.

I don't know if fraud was committed or how much. What I do know is that most of the changes to election laws in the key battleground states are un-Constitutional. One, involving PA is heading to the Supreme Court. That is my only interest along those lines. Republican legislatures had plenty of notice about what was coming via election rules changes. They sat back and did nothing. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    6 years ago

Yesterday I was at my brothers house for his birthday. His wife started shouting at me that Trump was cheated out of the election. Her "evidence" included the fact that Georgia vote counters took ballots in "suitcases" from under tables , as if the very act was not only suspicious, but proved guilt.  

This is absurd. More than one Georgia official has said there was nothing at all unusual in that video and storing votes in those containers is standard procedure. 

What the hell is wrong with Trump supporters? And how long are we going to have to tolerate all this nonsense?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    6 years ago
Yesterday I was at my brothers house for his birthday. His wife started shouting at me that Trump was cheated out of the election. Her "evidence" included the fact that Georgia vote counters took ballots in "suitcases" from under tables , as if the very act was not only suspicious, but proved guilt.  

It is nice to hear that your brother is still married to his wife and that you are still speaking to the both of them, despite her views. As for the video, the context means everything. If 5 election workers pulled out containers of ballots and counted them after poll watchers & the media were told that counting had ended and workers were being sent home - we all should be concerned! I question if such a declaration is in violation of election laws. Vote counting must be open to observers. There was a similar problem elsewhere - " Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers." Strange wasn't it?


  More than one Georgia official has said there was nothing at all unusual in that video and storing votes in those containers is standard procedure.

I'd appreciate more information on that.


What the hell is wrong with Trump supporters? 

Two things;

First :

Second: They demand that Trump go out fighting. It is part of the psychology of the movement. Trump knows it.


And how long are we going to have to tolerate all this nonsense?

Until Inauguration Day, when, as Biden is sworn in, Trump holds a rally declaring his candidacy for the 2024 election.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  author  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

Both Democrats were leading their Republican opponents in   the most recent poll,   released Thursday by SurveyUSA for an Atlanta NBC affiliate.

In the poll, Warnock led Loeffler with 52% support, compared to Loeffler’s 45%.

Anyone still believe in Polls?

Maybe it is that close. Maybe it simply comes down to Atlanta vs the rest of the state?

 
 

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