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Biden's Eviction Overreach

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  3 years ago  •  46 comments

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Biden's Eviction Overreach
The president has extended a bad policy he's acknowledged won't pass constitutional muster.

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Talk about defiance against the rule of law.


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The Center for Disease Control's eviction moratorium, which was first instituted last September under President Trump and was renewed under President Biden, expired on July 31.

e151e5.gif© Jonathan Ernst/Reuters President Joe Biden delivers remarks at the White House in Washington, D.C., August 3, 2021.

That sentence should start alarm bells ringing in the heads of any American who has read the Constitution. The Center for Disease Control's . . . what?

Insofar as it is legitimate for any government entity in the United States to engage in an "eviction moratorium," it is quite obviously a question for the states and localities, not for the federal government — and certainly not for an executive agency whose remit is the study and containment of infectious diseases. That, for eleven months, the American rental sector was controlled by the director of the CDC is nothing short of astonishing. Americans who wonder why they have such trouble keeping their government in check should look at this incident for instruction.

Video: Biden to allow eviction moratorium to expire Saturday (Associated Press)T

In June, the Supreme Court confirmed that, by acquiescing to the request, the CDC had "exceeded its existing statutory authority" and was obliged to stop by the end of the month. In his concurring opinion, Justice Kavanaugh suggested that the program could continue only in the wake of "clear and specific congressional authorization (via new legislation)." Alas, despite his team's insistence that he is aware of this ruling — and, indeed, that he has "not only kicked the tires, he has double, triple, quadruple checked" its legality — Biden was cowed by a chorus line of progressives who have urged him to defy it. At a press conference held late Tuesday afternoon, Biden conceded that "the bulk of the constitutional scholars say it's not likely to pass constitutional muster." But Biden and his CDC, under pressure from the Left, issued a new moratorium anyway. The Supreme Court, which has thus far been notably restrained in its language, must make it clear that they cannot.

It is telling that Congress, which has been happy to spend trillions of dollars fighting COVID-19, has nevertheless declined to change the law — perhaps because, the legalities aside, it has realized that the moratorium is making a mess of its others. One of the core aims of the various relief bills that have been signed since last year has been to prevent unemployed Americans from getting behind on their bills — including rent — during periods in which they were unable to work. And yet, by adding an eviction moratorium on top of its spending — and, thereby, by deferring rent arrears into the future — the federal government has managed simultaneously to limit the immediate demand for its $46.6 billion rent-assistance program, to discourage renters from finding work, and to ensure that the brunt of both problems will be felt by the millions of small-time landlords who do not have access to the Treasury's largesse.

Over the course of the COVID-19 crisis, the federal government has provided an extraordinary amount of financial support to struggling families. Analysis from Garrett Watson at the Tax Foundation found that a single-earner family of four that made $60,000 per year prior to the pandemic received almost $70,000 in COVID-relief benefits from April of last year to September of this year. Thus far, the mitigation bill sits at a remarkable $5 trillion — more money than the federal government spent in total in all of 2019. Given our rising federal debt, and the higher-than-usual risk of inflation, it would be unwise for Washington, D.C., to add to this number. But, if it must, it should do so in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution and that will not undermine Congress's broader aims. A moratorium on evictions doesn't match either of those descriptions. It must not be allowed to stand.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    3 years ago

Well if he could have gotten Congress off their asses, this wouldn't be an issue. However at this point that isn't the case and the administration AND Congress are scoffing at the law as well as the ruling of SCotUS. One would think that Congress should have jumped on this. The CDC has NO authority for this move. What is that called again?

I feel for people who need it but as shared a lot of places the last few days, the money allocated has barely been touched. I don't know if people don't know about the availability of the funds or not. 

No Trump even though he started the program. He isn't responsible any more.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    3 years ago

He's only "responsible" for roughly 55% of the funding that Congress appropriated last year.

Stimulus: $46 billion of cash available

  • Congress has appropriated emergency aid for renters in response to the Covid-19 pandemic.
  • There are $46.6 billion in total stimulus funds available for renters.
  • This includes $25 billion that Congress approved last year through the Consolidated Appropriations Act.
  • This also includes $21.6 billion in emergency rental assistance that Congress approved as part of the American Rescue Plan, which is the $1.9 trillion stimulus package that President Joe Biden signed in March.
  • This rental relief is separate from mortgage relief .
  • Rent relief is available to pay both rent and utilities, including past due rent, rental fees, late fees and relocation expenses.
  • The U.S. Treasury is making funds for the Emergency Rental Assistance Program available to state and local governments.
  • However, the U.S. Treasury isn’t sending stimulus funds directly to renters or landlords.
  • Therefore, to access funds, you need to contact your relevant local or state housing authority or government agency to access available funds.
  • Total financial assistance is capped at 18 months of relief.

The real question is why aren't landlords knocking down the doors of the appropriate state offices?

You have implied that 'most' tenants don't because they "could be" illegals, but that should not stop the landlords.

In some cases the landlords have refused the money because they don't want the tenants or they want to modify the leases against the program rules.

Crazy side effects of COVID...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    3 years ago
Well if he could have gotten Congress off their asses, this wouldn't be an issue. However at this point that isn't the case and the administration AND Congress are scoffing at the law as well as the ruling of SCotUS. One would think that Congress should have jumped on this. The CDC has NO authority for this move. What is that called again? I feel for people who need it but as shared a lot of places the last few days, the money allocated has barely been touched. I don't know if people don't know about the availability of the funds or not. 

Pelosi's attention has been on 'insurrection' and the midterms.  Schumer's attention has been on infrastructure and giving Biden a win (which is okay).  Biden wants us to believe the pandemic is no longer a crisis as it was under the previous administration.

A moratorium on eviction is not financial assistance; the renters still owe the rent.  The relief checks and enhanced unemployment benefits has increased incomes so that people may not qualify for means tested assistance.  With all the money the Federal government has dumped into the economy, no one is explaining why these renters can't pay the rent.

The relief packages enacted by Congress really has lifted a lot of people out of poverty.  But that has also reduced eligibility for means tested assistance.  The money allocated to states may not be distributed simply because fewer people are eligible.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2  Texan1211    3 years ago

Looks like SCOTUS needs to patiently explain to the Biden Admin, what the law is.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2    3 years ago
"Despite the Supreme Court’s explicit warning that any executive extension of the federal eviction moratorium would be struck down, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decided this week to implement a new moratorium  anyway for two months. When asked about the legal obstacles this policy would inevitably run into, President Joe Biden admitted that what his administration is doing is illegal, but he said he doesn’t care ."
Can't wait for some of the liberal commenters thoughts......................He's breaking the law and doesn't care. Where's the outrage?
 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    3 years ago

I fail to see how it would be breaking the law if instead of extending it, which the court ruled he couldn't do, a new one is implemented.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @2.1.1    3 years ago

That's the point. If you read the decision by SCOTUS, it states that it could only be done by Congress and NOT by the executive branch and especially the CDC. From the article..............

"In June, the Supreme Court confirmed that, by acquiescing to the request, the CDC had "exceeded its existing statutory authority" and was obliged to stop by the end of the month. In his concurring opinion, Justice Kavanaugh suggested that the program could continue only in the wake of "clear and specific congressional authorization (via new legislation)."

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.3  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.2    3 years ago

Getting into grey areas Imo. Congress did authorize the funds.

I agree that congress people need to get off their asses and do something instead of just complaining.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    3 years ago

Where was the outrage when Reagan defied the law and got involved in the Contra Affair?

Where was the outrage over Bush running roughshod over the Constitution?

They normalized it by doing what they wanted, when they wanted and waited til it found its way to SCOTUS or some Congressional Investigation embarrassed them into compliance.

George W. Bush's presidency is another era of overreaction at the expense of constitutional rights, but the prospects for a quick correction are not auspicious. Nothing has helped end earlier bouts of repression so much as the fact that the wars themselves came to a close, and nothing has so exposed our liberties to indefinite jeopardy as the conception of a "war on terrorism" with no end. The president claims an inherent power to imprison American citizens whom he has determined to be this country's enemies without obtaining a warrant, letting them hear the charges against them, or following other safeguards against wrongful punishment guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Under his administration, the government has engaged in inhumane treatment of prisoners that amounts to torture — and when Congress passed legislation to ban such treatment, he declared he would simply interpret the law his own way. Although the Constitution says treaties are the "supreme law of the land," the president has abrogated them on his own. And, we now know, he ordered a secret program of electronic surveillance of Americans without court warrants. 

I'm sure there's at least a dozen hair on fire stories about Obama doing similar things.

Right?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1    3 years ago
He's breaking the law and doesn't care. Where's the outrage?

Same place the outrage was when Trump and his administration broke the law and republicans didn't care.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.6  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.4    3 years ago

Yes you're correct there is.

Just once I would really like to read an article with comments devoid of  "whataboutisms".

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Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.7  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.5    3 years ago

Such as???????????????????????????????

And if he did I assure you there was PLENTY of outrage.

And see 2.1.6

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    3 years ago
Just once I would really like to read an article with comments devoid of  "whataboutisms".

You never will, that's what politics are always about.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    3 years ago
Just once I would really like to read an article with comments devoid of  "whataboutisms".

Around here?...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.7    3 years ago
Such as???????????????????????????????

Just for October, and just 1 law for now.

Sixteen Trump administration officials violated the law to boost Trump campaign in October

During the month of October, at least 16 Trump administration officials have violated the Hatch Act a total of more than 60 times, in an unprecedented and escalating assault on the rule of law and the democratic process.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.11  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.10    3 years ago

Pretty weak......................how many of them got this?

"What is the penalty for violating the Hatch Act?

​The penalty structure for violations of the Hatch Act by federal employees includes removal from federal service, reduction in grade, debarment from federal employment for a period not to exceed 5 years, suspension, reprimand, or a civil penalty not to exceed $1,000."
No
No
No
No
No
 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.11    3 years ago
Pretty weak......................how many of them got this?

Then you should have phrased your question better.  You asked for an example, I provide an example of 16 Trump officials violating just 1 law during just 1 month, and that law was violated more than 60 times in that one month.

What is the penalty for violating the Hatch Act?

Who the fuck cares?  It is a law, and they violated it over and over and over and over.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.4    3 years ago

Just in case you didn't read the article (and I am assuming you didn't, based on your comment), the subject isn't what other Presidents and Admins. have done.

Please stay on topic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.5    3 years ago

The subject isn't what other Presidents and Admins. have done.

Please stay on topic.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.13    3 years ago

I don't usually participate in one side masturbation articles without pointing out the faux outrage and ignorance of what other Presidents have done, both GOP and Dems.

So take your smug smart-assed remarks and shove them, you're not the seeder, your requests to stay on topic are wrong and empty as usual.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.14    3 years ago

The seeder did not flag either of my comments,

in fact he voted one up.

We were discussing illegal overreaches by a POTUS.

So try to keep up, participate in the discussion if you have something to say

and stop pretending to be a participation moderator.

We already have enough self appointed micromanagers.

Thanks

and

Fuck off.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.11    3 years ago

And how many thousands of dollars were collected by the Trump Administration?

Zero,

I rest the case.

Biased.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.18  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.12    3 years ago

And yet not a single penalty brought forward.

Now that's some serious shit right there............./S

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.15    3 years ago
I don't usually participate in one side masturbation articles without pointing out the faux outrage and ignorance of what other Presidents have done, both GOP and Dems.

Well, thank you for making an exception in this case??

So take your smug smart-assed remarks and shove them, you're not the seeder, your requests to stay on topic are wrong and empty as usual.

I never claimed to be the seeder, but I slept in a Holiday Inn last night and read the article and voila!, determined the topic!!!

Try it!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.16    3 years ago
Fuck off

Take your own "fucking" advice!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.21  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.14    3 years ago
The subject isn't what other Presidents and Admins. have done.

It is what "Just Jim NC TttH" asked for. 

Please read the comment thread before butting in.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.4    3 years ago
Where was the outrage when Reagan defied the law and got involved in the Contra Affair?

Do you want folks to get riled up over events which happened decades ago? To what purpose?

Where was the outrage over Bush running roughshod over the Constitution?

Do either of the two things you mentioned actually have ANYthing at all to do with the Biden Admin. instituting a rule they KNOW will be struck down immediately? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.23  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.22    3 years ago
Do you want folks to get riled up over events which happened decades ago? To what purpose?

Says the guy that keeps pointing out how it was the Democrats, a century ago, that supported slavery.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.23    3 years ago

So you have nothing but deflection, too!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.25  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.24    3 years ago
So you have nothing but deflection, too!

Not deflecting, just pointing out your flip flopping hypocritical responses.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.25    3 years ago

Now you are simply showing you didn't understand my posts!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.27  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.26    3 years ago
Now you are simply showing you didn't understand my posts!

And now you are pretending that you don't understand mine.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.27    3 years ago
And now you are pretending that you don't understand mine.

No, I understood what you wrote.

It was just wrong is all.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.29  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.28    3 years ago

Here is what you're up against............................

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.29    3 years ago

Lmao!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3  Split Personality    3 years ago

Watching the Olympic volleyball teams challenge calls that were obvious, in order to get an extra time out, has become the norm.

Biden knows where this is headed.

It's just a time out. 

Meanwhile maybe someone can get the individual states to account for where the rent relief money went,

that both Administrations approved.

Some states failed to get pandemic aid to renters promptly. Some spent it on other things. And some never set up an assistance program in the first place.

Meanwhile someone will file suit and it will eventually get to SCOTUS again, maybe before or after Congress gets off it's collective

butt and fixes a few things.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.1  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @3    3 years ago

Spent it on other things? Must have been poorly written if they can get away with that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4  Sean Treacy    3 years ago

He's violating his oath of office. 

Remember those good ole days of 2020 when Democrats demonized [[deleted for rule] for]  violating institutional  norms of the Presidency?

Good times.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    3 years ago
Remember those good ole days of 2020 when Democrats demonized [[deleted for rule] for]  violating institutional  norms of the Presidency?

Remember those good ole days when republicans were pro law enforcement and anti Russia?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5  Greg Jones    3 years ago

Biden keeps doing illegal things and needs to be impeached.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.1  Ronin2  replied to  Greg Jones @5    3 years ago

Never going to happen. The Democrats won't even consider it no matter what he does. It won't matter if they are in charge of Congress or not. They will scream "But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!" and obstruct to high heaven.

If the Republicans take control of the House and Senate after mid terms they are not going to give the left the red meat of an impeachment. They will investigate the living hell out of the Biden Administration; and drag him through the media muck. But impeachment will never cross their lips- though it will be implied many times. Not that they would need a legitimate reason to impeach Biden after the precedents the Democrats set with Trump.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1    3 years ago

But if he keeps doing dopey things like this, the GOP has to get serious about limiting his power. Problem of all this is we would get Kamala....ugh.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7  Nerm_L    3 years ago

Kind of hard to discuss without mentioning Trump.  Trump formally declared a national state of emergency for COVID-19 in March, 2020, and invoked Presidential authority under the National Emergencies Act.  The President's emergency powers are limited and authority to use some emergency powers requires consent of Congress.  Under emergency powers, the President may administer and utilize health agencies as part of the military.

The legal questions are about the extent of Presidential emergency powers.  The CDC issued a moratorium on evictions under authority of Presidential emergency powers citing Section 361 of the Public Health Service Act.  (People evicted from their residence can't self quarantine.)  Some of this relates to Barack Obama's 2009 declaration of a public health emergency for H1N1 influenza (which was also officially recognized as a pandemic).  The issues involved are far more complex than the Democrat's bickering would suggest.

The bickering between the White House and the House of Representatives is really about political optics.  Biden doesn't want to invoke emergency powers because the political narrative is that Biden has everything under control now; the pandemic is no longer a crisis as it was under Trump.  And Pelosi simply fumbled because her attention has been focused on the 'insurrection' and prepping for the midterms.  Chuck Schumer is lucky because he can use infrastructure legislation to avoid becoming involved with the Democrats' in-fighting.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
8  Jasper2529    3 years ago
Over the course of the COVID-19 crisis, the federal government has provided an extraordinary amount of financial support to struggling families.

Indeed, it has. One example: Louisiana had $550M to spend. To date, it's only had requests totaling $50M. Senator John Kennedy explains:

 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

It is ridiculous that he flouts the Supreme Court like Andrew Jackson once did.  The disregard for the rule of law here is almost unprecedented.  Do it because by the time the courts can address it it will have done what he wanted anyway.  

 
 

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