CNN's Brianna Keilar slammed for latest lecture to a Republican of color on race

  
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CNN's Brianna Keilar slammed for latest lecture to a Republican of color on race
We're not a perfect country, Haley said, but she was raised to have hope and saw it in ways her family was welcomed by people who looked different in her southern town. "They started to talk to us and they welcomed us in. And that’s the part of America that I was raised in. That’s the part of America I’m proud of. And that same state elected me as the first female and first minority governor and you can’t say that we’re a racist country. You just can’t. And they can’t stand it when a Brown...

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The bigoted bias and racism of white secular progressives against minorities who are conservatives and Republicans knows no bounds. It is an elitist thing among them on our two coasts and in big tech and the lamestream media.  This article is a great exposure of liberal white racism and bigotry.  
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CNN's Brianna Keilar slammed for latest lecture to a Republican of color on race


Keilar ripped Nikki Haley for declaring United States wasn't a racist country


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It's difficult for CNN's more liberal anchors to stand out from one another, but  Brianna Keilar  may have found her niche: lecturing Republicans of color on racial issues.

Her diatribe aimed at Nikki Haley this week was just the latest example.

On Wednesday, "New Day" spent multiple segments going after the former United Nations ambassador for comments she made at the Reagan Presidential Library, but what really struck Keilar was when Haley, an Indian American, declared "America is not a racist country." 

Keilar, a White woman, dedicated an entire monologue in her "Roll the Tape" segment, which is almost exclusively focused on attacking Republicans, to rebuke Haley's defense of America. She pointed to a 2018 interview clip where Haley described the racism her Sikh Indian family faced years ago and a 2010 clip of a former South Carolina state senator using racist rhetoric towards Haley during her first gubernatorial run. 

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The anchor then pushed back at Haley's 2014 assertion that "systemic racism" was in America's past by citing the 2015 Charleston church shooting that left nine Black Americans dead. She accused the former governor of "whitewashing" the "ups and downs of the American experience with racism and the challenges still ahead, all apparently to appeal to the conservative base," while airing images of the Confederate flag being carried on Jan. 6 at the Capitol. 

But this isn't the first time Keilar attempted to lecture a Republican of color on the subject of race. 

Last June, Keilar invited Rep. Byron Donalds, R-Fla., to discuss the Congressional Black Caucus snubbing him despite his vocal interest in joining the group of Black lawmakers. However, she spent much of the interview fixating on his past support for former President Donald Trump, playing a montage of various racially charged remarks, and also invoked the freshman congressman's support for voting rights bills she alleged would restrict minority voters.

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"Do you think that your defense of a person that said things like that might be incongruent with the mission of the CBC?" Keilar asked. 

"First of all, whatever the president said in the past has nothing to do with this discussion at all," Donalds reacted before being immediately cut off by Keilar. 

He later added, "As a Black man in America, I’m allowed to have my own thoughts as to who I choose to support and who I choose not to support … My support for President Trump whether it is for or against is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with this discussion."

During the 2020 election, Keilar used a similar tactic towards T.W. Shannon, the co-chair of Black Voices for Trump, using Trump's comments from the first presidential debate telling the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" to grill Shannon over his support for the president.

"You know what faces the African American community is White supremacy," Keilar said

"I do not need you of all people to tell me what's facing my community," Shannon shot back. "I'm offended by that and you should apologize for it."

"I'm not apologizing for the fact that the Trump administration … says that White supremacy is the greatest threat to the U.S. That is the Trump administration. Should they apologize?" Keilar doubled down. 

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Shannon invoked then-candidate Joe Biden's record with the Black community, which Keilar ignored and instead chose to ask her guest, "Why did the president not condemn White supremacists?" After Shannon corrected her that Trump has repeatedly condemned White supremacy, Keilar moved the goalpost by insisting Trump hasn't done so "adequately."

Later, as Shannon attempted to tout Trump's record for Black Americans prior to the pandemic, Keilar kept hammering the conservative guest by citing the current Black unemployment and the COVID death rates in the Black community, suggesting the president was to blame. 

"If you're going to have me on as a guest, you've got to let me talk and answer the questions," Shannon said.

"You're saying a bunch of crap," Keilar dismissed Shannon. 

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"The idea that you would try to lay at President Trump's feet the fact that people died from a pandemic, I think that's unconscionable," Shannon told the CNN anchor. "You should be embarrassed for promulgating that nonsense." 

She concluded the hostile interview by telling Shannon, "I wish I could say it was a pleasure having you on."


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Keilar's condescending tone towards people of color who identify themselves as Republicans dates back as early as 2015, when she grilled South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott, R., over his use of the phrase "all lives matter."

"People who associate with Black Lives Matter- they hear that as an oppositional statement to them," Keilar told Scott, who is Black. "To them, they hear that there's no acknowledgment that Black lives matter and that is something rebuffing their slogan."

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"When you say that, what is your reaction to that if that's something that causes offense to people who are part of the movement?" Keilar asked. 

"Well, I will tell you if it causes offense that I say that all lives matter, Black lives, White lives, police officers, jurists, all of us, even politicians, all of our lives matter," Scott responded. "If that's somehow offensive to someone, that's their issue, not mine, to be honest with you."


Fox News contributor Joe Concha said Friday on "Fox & Friends First" the low-rated CNN morning show has struggled this year as the liberal network overall has hemorrhaged viewers .

"This is what CNN does. … They play the race card from the bottom of the deck," he said, adding the network has almost entirely banished any pro-Trump or Republican voices from its airwaves and many of their hosts should not be labeled as objective "anchors."

Keilar did not respond to Fox News' request for comment. 

Appearing on Thursday's "The Faulkner Focus," Haley offered a fiery response to the CNN anchor's rhetoric about her, noting, "It sounds like I hit a nerve."

"It’s amazing to me how the liberal media can’t stand it when someone Black or Brown happens to talk about the fact that America is the best country in the world. The fact that we are blessed to be free and blessed to live in America. I’m going to keep saying it," Haley told Fox News' Harris Faulkner. 

We're not a perfect country, Haley said, but she was raised to have hope and saw it in ways her family was welcomed by people who looked different in her southern town.

"They started to talk to us and they welcomed us in. And that’s the part of America that I was raised in. That’s the part of America I’m proud of. And that same state elected me as the first female and first minority governor and you can’t say that we’re a racist country. You just can’t. And they can’t stand it when a Brown Republican says that," she added.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    one week ago

….Nikki Haley on Thursday pushed back on criticism by CNN "New Day" anchor Brianna Keilar after the former U.N. ambassador declared that the U.S. is not a "racist" country in a speech at the Reagan Presidential Library. During Wednesday morning's "Roll the Tape" segment, Keilar accused the former governor of whitewashing the "ups and downs of the American experience with racism and the challenges still ahead, all apparently to appeal to the conservative base." Haley said on "The Faulkner Focus" the liberal media "can't stand it" when minorities praise America.

CNN'S BRIANNA KEILAR LECTURES NIKKI HALEY ON RACISM IN AMERICA AFTER FORMER GOVERNOR SAID US ISN'T RACIST

NIKKI HALEY : Well, it sounds like I hit a nerve. Secondly, it's amazing to me how the liberal media can't stand it when someone Black or brown happens to talk about the fact that America is the best country in the world. The fact that we are blessed to be free and blessed to live in America. I'm going to keep saying it. We should all talk about the blessings of America. We're not a perfect country, but every day our focus is to make today better than yesterday. And that's how I was raised. I was raised to have hope. 

I was raised in America, did have challenges as we were going, but I also was raised to live and see that me, a brown family in a small southern rural town, the people when they used to whisper about us are used to exclude us. I saw something very American happen because they started to smile at us. They started to talk to us and they welcomed us in. And that's the part of America that I was raised in, and that's the part of America I'm proud of. And that same state elected me as the first female and first minority governor. And you can't say that we're a racist country. You just can't and they can't stand it when a brown Republican says that. 

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Kavika
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2  Kavika     one week ago

She should make up her mind. 

Haley, whose parents are immigrants from India, said during herMoments later, she said her familyfaced discrimination.
“In much of the Democratic Party, it's now fashionable to say that America is racist. That is a lie. America is not a racist country,” Haley, the former Republican governor of South Carolina, said.

She added shortly after that she is the “proud daughter” of Indian immigrants, pointing out that her father wore a turban and her mother wore a sari.

"I was a Brown girl, in a Black and white world. We faced discrimination and hardship. But my parents never gave in to grievance and hate,” Haley said. “My mom built a successful business. My dad taught 30 years at a historically black college. And the people of South Carolina chose me as their first minority and first female governor.”

Haley, whose parents are Sikh has, on several occasions, dealt with racism in both her personal and political lives. When Haley ran for governor in 2010, prominent then-state Sen. Jake Knotts, a Republican, referred to the candidate as a “raghead,” or someone who wears a headdress or a turban
 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Kavika @2    one week ago
She should make up her mind. 

I don't understand that statement in the context of what you block pasted or even her comments in the entire thread, can you elucidate please.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Snuffy @2.1    one week ago

The original article Haley states that America isn't a racist country but in my block quote from another interview she said that she and her parents experienced racism. Thus my comment.

Haley also stated in her comments that ''the media can't stand it when a minority praises America''..I find that to be a stretch. I'm a minority and I don't have a problem when a brown/black/yellow/red conservative praises America. Of course I'm not the media but all this sound like I'm running for office and looking for attention. 

JMO.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @2.1.1    one week ago

Agreed

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.3  CB   replied to  Kavika @2.1.1    one week ago

Here is the problem; Nikki Haley supports a predator as leader of her party! Artful Liar Donald Trump, is a liar, a cheat, and a downright swindler. He was someone Haley once detested before it was, shall we say, conservatively fashionable to pretend to like him to advance with the party "faithful." After proper conservatives were shown the door out the party!

Two people of color sitting there carrying Rufus Murdoch's 'water' for profit, fame, and a sit at the table.

I praise America too! What I don't do is pretend or let other people put down my "people" because they want to pretend "nice" when handing out stipends from the stack of take-in profits. That is, Donald Trump can't buy my integrity by stacking the deck so that I betta say something nice about him or he will 'slam' me out of politics or career.

Haley is full of it! 

For the record, I have not had a terrible Black experience in America, because I don't tolerate people mistreating me. Also, let's be real: Damn lucky! There but for the grace of God go I. That said, I won't lie and delude myself into believing that conservative people are good as gold, when they they speak with fork tongues to me and try to convince me that to eat and have fame and fortune is to kiss their asses to get by either!

Straight talk: No chaser!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @2.1.1    one week ago

America isn’t a racist country.  There are still individuals in America who are racist and at times say racist things.  There is no inconsistency in what Haley and Scott, Donalds, and others have been saying.  That a few people say and do bad things doesn’t indict the whole nation despite the efforts of CRT and 1619 bigots to the contrary.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.5  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    one week ago

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Sounds like a lot more than a few.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @2.1.5    one week ago

Tim Scott:  America is not a racist nation

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1.7  Snuffy  replied to  Kavika @2.1.1    one week ago
The original article Haley states that America isn't a racist country but in my block quote from another interview she said that she and her parents experienced racism. Thus my comment.

Haley also stated in her comments that ''the media can't stand it when a minority praises America''..I find that to be a stretch. I'm a minority and I don't have a problem when a brown/black/yellow/red conservative praises America. Of course I'm not the media but all this sound like I'm running for office and looking for attention. 

JMO.

ok, I can understand that.  I don't agree with it but I can understand it.

While she experienced racism from individuals I don't believe her comments show that she experienced racism from the country.  The laws of the land IMO are not racist. There may be individuals (judges / police / activists ) who will allow their own racism to twist the outcome of laws, but that IMO does not mean the law is racist or the country is racist. The laws themselves are not racist. IMO when minorities accused of crimes get a much harsher sentence than a white person to committed the same crime, that's not an example of a racist law but an example of a racist judge. 

Basically I do not believe that America is a racist country. There are plenty of people who are clearly racist and even more people who just don't want to get involved so would ignore it or laugh at it (nervous laughter?) rather than confront it. IMO it takes more bravery to confront these things and most people are not brave.  Don't get me wrong, America still has a long way to go. But I do not believe that the country itself is racist.

Just my thoughts..

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Snuffy @2.1.7    one week ago
Basically I do not believe that America is a racist country. There are plenty of people who are clearly racist and even more people who just don't want to get involved so would ignore it or laugh at it (nervous laughter?) rather than confront it. IMO it takes more bravery to confront these things and most people are not brave.  Don't get me wrong, America still has a long way to go. But I do not believe that the country itself is racist. Just my thoughts..

In general, I don't disagree with you but there are some laws that if you don't want to call them racist they are designed to subvert voting for specific minority groups. Specifically Native Americans, there are recent court cases in Montana and the Dakotas that the court has overturned in 2020 and 2021 that were judged to be very discriminatory towards NA's. There is a very long history of suppressing the native vote in the US. 

I don't know if you are a person of color or not, if not there are experiences that we live with on a regular basis that certainly gives us a different view than someone that has not faced those things. 

The US has overcome some of this which is great but there is still a ways to go. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    one week ago
 There are still individuals in America who are racist and at times say racist things.  

Many tens of millions, at least.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Kavika @2.1.1    one week ago
The original article Haley states that America isn't a racist country but in my block quote from another interview she said that she and her parents experienced racism.

Because you can encounter racism in your life without the country - in whole or in part - being racist. We have laws against all sorts of wrong behavior - and that reduces the behavior significantly - but that doesn’t keep it from happening 100% of the time. In America, there are consequences when racism does happen. Sometimes it’s criminal. Sometimes it’s a tort. Crowds of thousands will protest and support the victims. Given those circumstances, it’s a lot harder to make the argument that the country is racist.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.11  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @2.1.10    one week ago

 I wasn't making the arguement that the country is racist, I was just pointing out that she and Scott have experienced plenty of racism in their lives. So it does cast a different light on it. 

Now the question really is how do you determine if a country is racist? Is it the number of people that are racist, the laws, the general overall attutide. 

In America, there are consequences when racism does happen.

At times, yes there is at other times no there isn't. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Kavika @2.1.11    one week ago
At times, yes there is at other times no there isn't.

Of course. But a few points about that:

First: There are generally greater consequences for that kind of thing in the United States than anywhere else in the world. We have criminal, civil, social, and economic responses to a broader range of prejudiced behavior and I believe those responses are stronger than anywhere else we might look.

Second: We don’t define the country based on any other thing that happens only sometimes. We have wreckless drivers, but we don’t say it’s a wreckless country. We have lots of crime, but we don’t say it’s a criminal country. We have alcoholics but we don’t say it’s a country of alcholism.

Finally: Saying “America is a racist country” tears down a lot of good people who want to do - and have done - right in their lives. But worse than that, it discourages good people from starting or continuing to fight for justice. An awful lot of white people in our history have fought hard, and at great risk to themselves, in the cause of racial justice - for other people. Americans are a majority white country who elected a black man as their leader. Is there another country in the world that has done that? It’s not fair to respond to that by calling them racists.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.13  CB   replied to  Kavika @2.1.11    one week ago

Nikki Haley is a fake and a fraud. I've said enough about her already. Please, take a listen to MSNBC (new) anchor Ayman Mohyeldin taking down the faker from North Carolina:

Link to video:

(I wish I could produce the video here, alas, MSNBC does not make that easy to happen!)

She is a fraud and so is that Scott character who can't pass a police justice bill out of his own 'sorry' party while our gray hairs get longer.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.14  Kavika   replied to  Tacos! @2.1.12    one week ago

I said in my opening comment that I wasn't arguing that the US was a racist country. 

Of course there are many white people that fought for civil rights for minorities and there are many that fought against it. 

The election of Obama was great it also brought out a lot of racism.

I read a story today about a school in K.C. sad commentary and surely goes against what most non minorities believe in I hope.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.15  CB   replied to  Kavika @2.1.11    one week ago

Food for thought:

Why do we have racists and prejudiced people operating in 'full light' of everyone anyway?

Do criminals pan their 'wares' openly?

Why is it 'OKAY' to promote and allow criminal elements to subvert and pervert our anemic systems of justice and exceptional country?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.13    one week ago
Nikki Haley is a fake and a fraud.

Do strong conservative women always lead to apoplectic fits from the progressive left?

Or is Ms. Haley just special?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.17  CB   replied to  Kavika @2.1.14    one week ago

There are some mentally sick and utterly nonredeemable people (while they display racial sickness) in our exceptional country. That's right, exceptional country. Our national evolution is stymied by these backward asses who won't stop growing like weeds in a beautiful flower bed that is our nation.

That anybody would defend these "asses" rights to be 'weeds' in this life gives me a clear indication of what kind of thorns and bristles we dealing with and have been dealing with for generations!

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.18  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.16    one week ago

I am going to give you a chance to engage discussion since you want so obviously want "in." But dig it again and its over.

Nikki Haley is not a strong conservative woman and I can tell you why:

  • 1. She would stand up for truth; not go along to get along.
  • 2. She would not stand in the shadow of a blazon Artful Liar (Donald Trump).
  • 3. She would try to get out of the shadow of Artful Liar by going it alone. She would create a path: taking her lumps or roses in due course.
  • 4. She would model integrity and stand by her words; not be a "flip flopper.'
  • 5. She would model for (all) girls and women on the spectrum consistency in purpose and action, and not cover herself with the shame of a despicable so-called authoritarian like Donald J. Trump.

We will see if she steps out of line of the status quo under Trump's scrutiny just how strong a woman she is. But, will she? Will Haley put down Donald's 'script' and character role and confront the man and whip his sorry ass politically or just get on her knees ("d-whipped") before him? Oh, and before you accuse me falsely of promoting misogyny, there are many, many, some conservative men who are "d--k-whipped" by Donald Trump too!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.18    one week ago

Bye!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.20  Greg Jones  replied to  CB @2.1.18    one week ago

Wait and learn. Haley and others will slowly emerge as Trump's support dies on the vine.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.1.13    one week ago

She’s a very real person.  Nothing fake about her or her views.  Oh, and she’s from South Carolina and was governor there.  In fact in a single election there the white majority of South Carolina elected in state wide races an Asian American woman to be their governor and an African American man to be a US Senator there.  And North Carolina has an African American Lt. Gov, Kentucky has an African American AG, and Virginia could elect an African American woman as Lt. Gov. next month and a Latino as their AG if they vote Republican. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.22  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.20    one week ago

If he wants to, and there's no reason to think he won't, Trump will squash Nikki Haley like a bug. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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2.1.23  Gazoo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.21    one week ago

You forgot Virginia has a black governor, in face only.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.20    one week ago

That’s possible but not likely.  Whether Trump runs or not is somewhat dependent on how well the GOP does in the nov 22 election.  Those hoping Trump doesn’t run have to pretty much be comfortable with the idea of a bad GOP result accurately blamed on him with the democrats retaining the house and the senate.  If that happens, a different direction will surely be sought after.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.25  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.20    one week ago

So she "waits" her turn, eh? That is, she knows her place? But, isn't being a 'bootlicker' a bad thing in the meanwhile?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.26  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.21    one week ago

She's a fraud. She changed herself into something unidentifiable to kiss republican white male dominated ass. Again, I'm not being misogynistic as many, many, some conservatives men 'boot-lick' to get rank and status in 'leadership' in a gang-centric "beat-down" party.

Ayman Moyeldin, call "weather vane" Haley trying to orient herself to too many different political winds pushed out by Donald Trump to see how she 'blows.' He got her good! Nikki Haley has practiced the 'art' of being a "pinched-lipped"-speaking fraud.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.25    one week ago
So she "waits" her turn, eh? That is, she knows her place?

Just like Hillary Clinton did!

Don't you remember when it was "her turn"???????

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.27    one week ago

I remember that.  If she didn’t demand her turn Biden might have become President before he lost his mind instead of after.  

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.29  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.28    one week ago

You got jokes. To bad, you can't bring back  2020's 400,000 Covid-19 dead by clutching a handful of forget me not flowers! Trump let them die by being a foolish old combative fart who could not then, and will not now listen to truth even when it could help.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.30  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.1.29    one week ago

More have died of China virus in 2021 than in 2020…

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.31  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.30    one week ago
More have died of China virus in 2021 than in 2020…

That's because of idiots that are too stupid to get the vaccine. Clean out the gene pool of idiots, anyone that listens to the stupid shit you're spouting needs their head examined.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.32  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @2.1.31    one week ago

Biden is responsible for every single corona virus death in America since 20 Jan. 2021.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.33  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.32    one week ago
Biden is responsible for every single corona virus death in America since 20 Jan. 2021.  

When a person is stuck on stupid and cannot tell the difference between the truth and a lie there isn't much anyone can do to help them out. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.34  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @2.1.33    one week ago

I’d say what you said to all who blamed Trump that way.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.35  JohnRussell  replied to  Kavika @2.1.33    one week ago

It is a tragedy of Newstalkers that we are forced to observe decorum when responding to the incredibly stupid , dishonest, and un American comments we see here from the far right. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.34    one week ago

Here is the difference (since you cannot seem to figure this out yourself).

Trump downplayed the virus and thus encouraged people to not take precautions.

Biden has consistently encouraged people to take precautions and to get vaccinated and has a delivery system fully capable of vaccinating everyone.

One cannot fault Biden for those who refuse to be sensible.    If Biden were to force people to be vaccinated (he does not have that power) you would be the first to cry Draconian!

More emotional, ill-considered bullshit.

One can legitimately fault Biden for a number of things but to fault him for people refusing to be sensible is pathetic partisan crap.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.37  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.34    one week ago

Trust in whosoever and whatsoever you want. Our job now becomes making sure that Donald Trump never attaches himself to control over our lives again. You and Donald (and the rest of you) can have a great alternative reality on the margins of society.

It is time to straighten this country out (again). There is too much dangerous propaganda pervasive in high concentration surrounding us.

I call on NT to limit or bring to nil the placing of blatant, mean-spirited, TOXIC and DEFENDLESS propaganda!

We have enough to do in talking and expressing about real, truthful positives and negatives in our dynamic (daily) community and world!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.38  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.37    one week ago
Our job now becomes making sure that Donald Trump never attaches himself to control over our lives again.

How much actual control did he have over your life two years ago?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.39  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.38    one week ago

Jack, cut the bull patty. I'm a liberal and I want my happiness over the longhaul of life same as you. It never crosses my mind to box you into a frame where you have to take my way or the highway. Donald Trump made policies and conducted himself in ways that were and are offensive to liberals and drives out proper conservatives. Conservatives who won't or can't hang with Trumpism because a full "best" life is about so much more than just following a man and destroying other people for the sake of the coin of the realm.

We can't say this for conservatives who are doing strange policies and laws to mangle and 'lift away' freedoms of liberals. If you can't admit to the truth of the aforementioned, then you are not ready to hold discussion. See me when you have time for some straight talk.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.40  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.39    one week ago
Jack, cut the bull patty.

Oh, the irony.

I'm a liberal and I want my happiness over the longhaul of life same as you. It never crosses my mind to box you into a frame where you have to take my way or the highway. Donald Trump made policies and conducted himself in ways that were and are offensive to liberals and drives out proper conservatives. Conservatives who won't or can't hang with Trumpism because a full "best" life is about so much more than just following a man and destroying other people for the sake of the coin of the realm. We can't say this for conservatives who are doing strange policies and laws to mangle and 'lift away' freedoms of liberals. If you can't admit to the truth of the aforementioned, then you are not ready to hold discussion. See me when you have time for some straight talk.

For a man who seemingly cannot manage "straight talk" under any circumstances, the challenge is comical.

I asked a direct question, which you evaded.  I'll ask it another way.

What did Donald Trump actually accomplish during his presidency that had a tangible impact on your life?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.40    one week ago
I asked a direct question, which you evaded.  I'll ask it another way. What did Donald Trump actually accomplish during his presidency that had a tangible impact on your life?

From experience, I can tell you that you won't ever be getting a straight answer, but the odds are very good that if you do get a response, it will involve loads of questions to you while not answering what you asked.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.42  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.40    one week ago
What did Donald Trump actually accomplish during his presidency that had a tangible impact on your life?

He managed to get tens of millions of people to believe anything he says and then act on same.    In result, Trump has single-handedly infected the R party and made our two-party system less balanced.

We need 3 or 4 viable parties in this nation (or none at all).   The R party's inexplicable self-infection with Trump disease continues to damage its credibility and viability.   Good thing for the R party that the D party is tripping over itself trying to push massive borrowing, spending and taxation.   If not for that, the R party's Trump disease could have taken it out of the running for a few election cycles.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.43  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.40    one week ago

I have two dead relatives to SARS-Covid-2 because they WERE Artful Liar Donald Trump's "freedom lovers" who listened to Fox News and other right-wing influencers and refused vaccinations: to my face!  You might remember my avatar with the "blacked-out" eyes several months back. Or, maybe you to not.

For the purposes of this discussion alone (and Trump "freedom lovers") that old fart's presidency never ended, because as he puts it, "I never conceded."

Now let me ask you a direct question: Why do you support a hostile liar who intentionally lives in his own mental menagerie and why do you accept 'invitations' to 'go there'?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.43    one week ago
I have two dead relatives to SARS-Covid-2 because they WERE Artful Liar Donald Trump's "freedom lovers" who listen to Fox News and other right-wing influencers. You might remember my avatar with the "black-out" eyes several months back. Or maybe you to not.

Sorry about your losses, but blaming Trump for what each individual must decide for themselves is foolhardy.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.45  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.44    one week ago

Trump, Tucker, Sean, Fox, OAN, NewsMax are partially or all vaccinated or testing regularly their franchise players (as an exercise of their freedom); so, why the hell are those "champions of jabs" speaking overlong on the merits of freedom to remain unvaccinated? Why not just 'hit it and quit it'?

Moreover, just look at that morally empty, disabled governor (without empathy) in Texas; he issues an executive order MANDATING  private businesses shall not, shall not, exercise their right to have vaccinated or tested workers identified. Possibly well and sick people 'housed' together in and out of work and school all over Texas!

However, he will assume no responsibility for the outcome/s? I think not. Same with Donald Trump who operates in conjunction with republican policy-making in front of and behind the scene.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.46  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.41    one week ago

So says the Trump supporter who steers away from direct questions about the 'cloaked and shrouded' figure who lies daily and in rallies about losing a fair and honest election. "Physician" go fix thyself!

And since we are being direct: I can't prove it, but I know it is true - some of 'us' (not me for I criticize anybody that I want to up to and including Biden) - are political operatives. Thus, this is about spreading propaganda and ignoring truth on purpose for some.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.45    one week ago
Trump, Tucker, Sean, Fox, OAN, NewsMax are partially or all vaccinated or testing regularly their franchise players (as an exercise of their freedom); so, why the hell are those "champions of jabs" speaking overlong on the merits of freedom to remain unvaccinated? Why not just 'hit it and quit it'?

When do people become responsible for their very own actions and decisions in your fantasy world?

YOU seem to listen to a lot of the people you are complaining about and YOU got vaccinated, didn't you?

Sometimes people just need to adult.

Blaming others for personal bad decisions is nothing more than a copout and brazen attempt to blame others for personal stupidity.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.46    one week ago
AUrend since we are being direct: I can't prove it, but I know it is true - some of 'us' (not me for I criticize anybody that I want to up to and including Biden) - are political operatives. Thus, this is about spreading propaganda and ignoring truth on purpose for some.

Yeah, sometimes it is a real pain in the ass proving wild-assed conspiracy theories.

It is always easier to deal in fantasy than facts, and of course that is why you can't prove what you claim.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.49  CB   replied to  TᵢG @2.1.42    one week ago

The time is ripe for new parties. The basic two-party system needs support: The democrats can't run a democracy alone. Come forth, Bloomberg! Timing (and coordination) is 'everything.'

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.50  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.49    one week ago
The democrats can't run a democracy alone.

Might try telling the Democratic Party that--they are trying to push massive new spending and policy changes alone through budget tricks.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.51  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.47    one week ago

What do you take me for- a fool living in a fantasy world.  Rightwing pundits speak to millions of citizens in red-states and those people are dedicated to listening to their influencing.  I am responsible enough to tell those same pundits to piss off!

Texan, answer this direct question:

Is Tucker Carlson a vaccine skeptic to your mind: Yes or No. And feel free to elaborate.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.52  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.43    one week ago
I have two dead relatives to SARS-Covid-2 because they WERE Artful Liar Donald Trump's "freedom lovers" who listened to Fox News and other right-wing influencers and refused vaccinations: to my face!  You might remember my avatar with the "blacked-out" eyes several months back. Or, maybe you to not.

Sorry for your loss. 

Trump got his stupid ass vaccinated.  If your relatives won't even follow his example, how much influence did he have over them?  At some point we need to understand that people are accountable for their own decisions.

For the purposes of this discussion alone (and Trump "freedom lovers") that old fart's presidency never ended, because as he puts it, "I never conceded."

He also says he's handsome a virile.  He says he's a billionaire, which almost surely as fake as his tan.  He says all sorts of idiotic shite that does not matter to anybody who has a real life.

Now let me ask you a direct question: Why do you support a hostile liar who intentionally lives in his own mental menagerie and why do you accept 'invitations' to 'go there'?

"Support"??  By voting for his opponent?  In what universe does voting against somebody multiple times constitute "support"?

Challenging your view of the power of the presidency does NOT constitute "support" for any president, least of all one I repeatedly voted against.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.53  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.49    one week ago
The time is ripe for new parties. The basic two-party system needs support: The democrats can't run a democracy alone. Come forth, Bloomberg! Timing (and coordination) is 'everything.'

I think we have found a point of agreement.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.54  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.50    one week ago

What I will not 'tell' anybody in any party is to pucker up and kiss Donald Trump's racketeering ass as a coverup for stealing the rights and privileges of any citizens of this country. What I will not tell anybody in any party to do is to feign or literally threaten civil war just so that I can have all the rights my ass can stand while others reap the whirlwind!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.51    one week ago
Is Tucker Carlson a vaccine skeptic to your mind: Yes or No. And feel free to elaborate.

Well, since I don't watch Fox, I will have to leave that to your obvious expertise.

In ANY case, I don't give a shit what some on-air personality tells me, I do my own research and form my own opinions. I don't rely on television to form my opinions for me.

Personal responsibility demands at least that much personal effort.

I don't blame talking heads for idiotic personal decisions made by others.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.56  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.54    one week ago
What I will not 'tell' anybody in any party is to pucker up and kiss Donald Trump's racketeering ass as a coverup for stealing the rights and privileges of any citizens of this country.

Oh, for Pete's sake, enough with the melodramatic fairy tales.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.57  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.52    one week ago
He says all sorts of idiotic shite that does not matter to anybody who has a real life.

You are being indulgent and enabling. People do show up in real life based on the rhetoric from the man. And it is rhetoric, as do you observe that Donald is 'hands off' on what he instructs, directs, and affects his 'cult followers' to do. (E.g., "go to the capitol" - "leave and go home now - in peace."  'take this; not that.')

And oh the nuance of it all. He took the vaccination because his sorry ass got SARS-Covid-2 and it taught his dumb ass a lesson. But, of course, if the good calls for vaccination protocols for the majority of the country, a nuanced position of "freedom" to have options to do the WRONG thing for opposition purposes is needed.

That is what Donald, Fox, Sean, Tucker, OAN, and NewsMax, and the conservative print media is all about: opposition. I thought you knew this?!

You are not challenging my view you are enabling a pig of man in discussion. Let's be clear. Donald Trump is an obstacle to decency, law, and in the near future possibly further injuries and limbs.

Stop enabling an asshole to smell and instead tell that ass to put some 'flowers' in it!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1.58  TᵢG  replied to  CB @2.1.57    one week ago

You should (re)read Jack's post.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.59  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.55    one week ago
Well, since I don't watch Fox, I will have to leave that to your obvious expertise.

In ANY case, I don't give a shit what some on-air personality tells me, I do my own research and form my own opinions. I don't rely on television to form my opinions for me.

Personal responsibility demands at least that much personal effort.

I don't blame talking heads for idiotic personal decisions made by others.

Well Texan1211, you evidently don't know what the hell you call yourself defending. And you do this passionately?

That is a (lazy) problem for you! Go wise up and come back equipped and  informed. It should better you perspective and expand your narrow worldview.

Talking heads are influencers. And that included the Artful Liar you serve.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.60  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.59    one week ago
Well Texan1211, you evidently don't know what the hell you call yourself defending. And you do this passionately? That is a (lazy) problem for you! Go wise up and come back equipped and  informed. It should better you perspective and expand your narrow worldview.

I can't properly respond to this because it makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Try again.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.61  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.60    one week ago

No, I think I won't try again. You've exposed yourself as doing "research" - one will have to wonder of what since you don't list any. And we all know that Trump loves his right-wing pundits, because he calls "in" and quotes them a lot!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.62  Jack_TX  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.42    one week ago
He managed to get tens of millions of people to believe anything he says and then act on same.    In result, Trump has single-handedly infected the R party and made our two-party system less balanced.

My experience has been different.

I believe Trump simply rode a wave of working class anger that had been simmering for decades. 

Living in Texas, I know a LOT of Trump supporters.  Most will tell you outright they understand that much of what comes out of his mouth is nonsense.  That's just him blathering with no filter.  They don't take it seriously, but they certainly don't mind that he makes people angry.

They support him because they feel like he best represents the anger they feel at a liberal elite sitting perched atop their mountains of student debt while they look down their noses at working Americans.

In short, my experience causes me to believe that Trump is not a catalyst, but a result, and his supporters don't believe him nearly as much as their critics imagine.

I admit that's just my personal experience and I'm not saying it's a statistical model from which empirical data should be extracted.  But it has demonstrated very definite trends.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.63  CB   replied to  TᵢG @2.1.58    one week ago

Tig, I did read it well the first time. What do you think I missed, misunderstood, or overlooked?

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.64  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.62    one week ago
Most will tell you outright they understand that much of what comes out of his mouth is nonsense. 

Interesting. Can the Trump supporters you say you know find their way to a reporter, a microphone, or television camera. No? How come? Are journalists hard to come by in Texas? You know it's helpful to hear: "straight from the horses' mouth."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.65  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.62    one week ago
Most will tell you outright they understand that much of what comes out of his mouth is nonsense.  That's just him blathering with no filter.

Nice euphemism for pathological lying. Donald Trump is mentally ill. Everyone seems to understand that but his supporters who need to rationalize why they support him. 

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.66  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.48    one week ago

You should know, "easy" writer.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.67  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.65    one week ago

Donald "completes" them. Let me see if I can find - okay got it: tenor.gif   Who in their right mind wants to live in another man's mental menagerie? Cultist. It gets worse: There is a rumor that Donald hates his followers (see George Clooney's statement on this).

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.68  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @2.1.64    one week ago
Can the Trump supporters you say you know find their way to a reporter, a microphone, or television camera. No? How come? Are journalists hard to come by in Texas? You know it's helpful to hear: "straight from the horses' mouth."

Why would they do that?  

It wouldn't change what you think of them, and they stopped caring about that a long time ago anyway.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1.69  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.65    one week ago
Nice euphemism for pathological lying. Donald Trump is mentally ill. Everyone seems to understand that but his supporters who need to rationalize why they support him. 

Liberals rationalize, John. 

Trump supporters don't give a shit.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.70  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.68    one week ago

So that's a: "No." Okay, well I tried to get you to pony up a 'horse.' No such luck. And don't judge me. I've changed alot, trust me, over the years. Oh yes, it's true. I am not an object lesson for right-wing commentary, for sure.

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.71  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @2.1.69    one week ago

'Trump' comprehension. Speaks volumes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.72  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.61    6 days ago
No, I think I won't try again

That is entirely your choice.

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Texan1211
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2.1.73  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1.64    6 days ago
Interesting. Can the Trump supporters you say you know find their way to a reporter, a microphone, or television camera. No? How come? Are journalists hard to come by in Texas? You know it's helpful to hear: "straight from the horses' mouth."

The news stations can't sell advertising that way. With seemingly everyone hanging on every Trump utterance, why would someone criticizing him be news to them?

Besides, isn;t that what CNN and MSNBC are for?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.74  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.65    6 days ago

It is Biden who is the one who is mentally ill.  Trump saw the needs of the working people and spoke up for us speaking our truth to bicoastal secular progressive elites power.  

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.75  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.74    5 days ago

Manufactured insults.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.76  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.1.75    5 days ago

No, it’s not.  It is the reality of the situation we face in America.  As to Biden, let’s go Brandon!  

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.77  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.76    5 days ago

I'll say it for you. So you can get your bull patty straight going forward! Fuck Joe Biden. (No, I don't worry about anybody 'whipping' my behind for it either.)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.78  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.1.77    4 days ago

Whenever you see “let’s go Brandon!”, thanks to the NASCAR sports reporter, it’s the substitute for those who’d rather not outright say “f**k Joe Biden!  but desire to express the sentiment so that he and his supporters know our true feelings for dear leader uncle Joe.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.79  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.78    4 days ago

I was wondering what that meant. 

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.80  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.78    4 days ago

Why be nice? Afterall, some conservatives promote the Big Lie, and caused an insurrection in Washington, D.C. up to and touching wishing to hang the Vice-President. Go on and say it: "Fuck Joe Biden." Three words that come cheap! jrSmiley_36_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.81  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @2.1.80    2 days ago

There was no big lie and there was nothing that resembled any insurrection in DC.  There was never any plan to do anything with any member of congress or the VP.  In late May early June and again in late August there was insurrection on the streets of DC and real potential harm to elected leaders.  

 
 
 
CB
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2.1.82  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.81    2 days ago

Just stop gaslighting yourself already! God is not pleased with 'gas-lighters'.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.83  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.79    2 days ago

It’s often the case that the cover up ends up in a worse result than the original issue.  That happened in this case.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.84  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.81    2 days ago

What do you call the John Eastman memo ? 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.85  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.84    2 days ago

JR bait?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.86  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.84    2 days ago

Who is John Eastman?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.87  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.86    2 days ago
Who is John Eastman?  

You just admitted that you are comically underinformed . Thanks. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.88  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.87    2 days ago

John C. Eastman

John C. Eastman is a former American law professor. He was a tenured professor of law and dean at the Chapman University School of Law . [1] A former law clerk to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas , he is the founding director of the Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, a public interest law firm affiliated with the conservative think tank Claremont Institute . [2] [3] Eastman ran unsuccessfully as a Republican for California's 34th congressional district in 1990, and for the office of California Attorney General in 2010. [2]

a totally household name…not! 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.89  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.88    22 hours ago
You just admitted that you are comically underinformed

So, just as suspected.  John Eastman is nobody.

 
 
 
GregTx
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3  GregTx    one week ago
"As a Black man in America, I’m allowed to have my own thoughts as to who I choose to support and who I choose not to support … My support for President Trump whether it is for or against is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with this discussion."

"It’s amazing to me how the liberal media can’t stand it when someone Black or Brown happens to talk about the fact that America is the best country in the world. The fact that we are blessed to be free and blessed to live in America. I’m going to keep saying it," Haley told Fox News' Harris Faulkner. 

Amen

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  GregTx @3    one week ago

That is the bottom line here.  

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2  Ender  replied to  GregTx @3    one week ago

Who in the world said Black people cannot be proud of the country?

Despite all our flaws we are still one of the best.

What is healthy is looking at the flaws instead of sweeping them under the rug.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @3.2    one week ago
Who in the world said Black people cannot be proud of the country?

it would seem that Representative Donalds has run into bigotry as an African American conservative expressing love of country.  

Despite all our flaws we are still one of the best.

The very best and most exceptional nation 

What is healthy is looking at the flaws instead of sweeping them under the rug.

I agree! The problem is that too many progressives not only look at the flaws but obsess over them, gazing exclusively upon them to the exclusion of all else and a denial of anything good ever happening here.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @3.2    one week ago

Ender wrote:  "What is healthy is looking at the flaws instead of sweeping them under the rug."

Repeating  the same lies over and over is not healthy

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.3  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.2    one week ago

And what lies would those be?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @3.2.3    one week ago

That we need to obsess over mistakes instead of learning from them and moving on and that we sweep our mistakes under the rug rather than learn from them.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    one week ago

I know exactly why we are in this place as a nation over racial issues. 

When George Floyd was killed and it became such an instant media uproar, something happened that had never happened before. 

White people came out en masse ( tens to hundreds of thousands) to support the civil rights of people of color.  Never before in the United States, even during civil rights protests in the 60's , had so many white people left their houses and participated in public demonstrations in support of civil rights issues and in protest of racism.  This widespread visible support on the streets led black leaders to conclude that there had been a "sea change" of sorts among whites, and that many whites were now "getting it". Perhaps now was the time to approach the concept of a "reckoning" , a society wide realization and admission of the damage racism had caused to the country over 500 years. 

With the possible exception of the past few decades, there has never been a time in the history of this this country when less than half the population was racially prejudiced against blacks, American Indians, Hispanics, Asians, and other non white racial ethnicities.  If there had been such a time we wouldnt have had 450 years of constant open racial prejudice , often supported by the rule of law. 

It was well known for example, that during the slavery and civil war era more than half of northerners expressed racial prejudice, let alone what was going on in the slave south. This never abated.  

Now, in the aftermath of Floyd black activists want to draw this history into the open, and white conservatives want to keep it brushed under the rug for the sake of "national unity". This is also happening at just the time that non whites are slowly becoming the majority population in America. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    one week ago

Not a word is true. Pack of misinformation. Pure BS.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    6 days ago

I couldn’t have said it better.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    6 days ago

That's all you got Greg.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.2    5 days ago

Greg is right!  1776!  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5  Tacos!    one week ago

Expecting and insisting that people have certain political opinions because of their skin color is racist. I don’t care how liberal you think you are - it’s still racist.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1  CB   replied to  Tacos! @5    one week ago
Texas reduces Black and Hispanic majority congressional districts in proposed map, despite people of color fueling population growth *

The proposed congressional map also increases the number of districts where Trump would have had a majority of voters over Biden in 2020 and protects Republican incumbents who might have been vulnerable by packing their districts with more Trump voters.

Texas lawmakers on Monday released their first draft of a new congressional map that would largely protect incumbents while reducing the number of districts in which Black and Hispanic residents make up the majority of eligible voters.

The map reduces the number of districts dominated by people of color even though Texas gained two additional congressional seats and the population of Asian, Black and Hispanic Texans outpaced white Texans over the last decade .

Republicans constructed the map with incumbent protection in mind — a strategy that focused on bolstering vulnerable GOP seats rather than aggressively adding new seats that could flip from blue to red. However, the map does in fact strengthen Republican positioning overall in Texas, going from 22 to 25 districts that would have voted for Donald Trump in 2020. The number of congressional districts that voted for Joe Biden would have shrunk by one, from 14 to 13.

Go ahead, Tacos. Tell me more about how 'people of color' are racists for protecting their interests, power, public voice, and influence under a white majority state controlled legislature.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  CB @5.1    one week ago
Go ahead, Tacos. Tell me more about how 'people of color' are racists for protecting their interests, power, public voice, and influence under a white majority state controlled legislature.

I can't tell you more of something when I haven't said anything remotely like what you described. Your reply to me is a complete non sequitur as near as I can tell. I have no idea what you think I wrote or what you think you are trying to say to me.

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.2  CB   replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    one week ago

That is not helpful. But now I am uninterested in what you might have meant since you left it an open question. Thanks. (Smile.)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @5.1.2    one week ago

The thing is that the rural Hispanic districts along the border are in the process of a massive shift from blue to red.  

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.4  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.3    one week ago

I have no proper knowledge of anything you stated just now; and if so good for you?! Perhaps, you and Texas conservatives can stop demonizing brown (border) people and their kindred?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @5.1.4    one week ago

I’m not demonizing any people. The fact is that the once controlled border and the pre pandemic economic situation began turning what you refer to as brown people here legally as citizens toward the red from blue and Biden’s open border  has only accelerated that trend.  

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.6  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.5    one week ago

Biden does not have any open border policy, but you and Texas conservatives can keep demonizing him too. There is no "open invitation" for other nations to come and try to ooze into this country at any of our border crossings. Like women and men pressing in on sports or celebrity figures, anything that promotes itself as "exceptional" will que up people to come and try to press inward.

Apparently, Biden is not wasting his time caring about your and Texas'. . . untruths.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.6    one week ago
Biden does not have any open border policy, but you and Texas conservatives can keep demonizing him too.

If by "demonizing" him you meant "telling the truth", then so be it. He just released over 12,000 Haitians into the US. To many people bothering to look very closely, that certainly LOOKS like an open border to them.

Biden and the progressive left's policies are a major part of the border crisis--a crisis Ms. Harris is completely unaware of and imminently ill-qualified to ever "fix".

 
 
 
CB
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5.1.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    one week ago

Bye.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @5.1.8    one week ago
Bye.

Hi!

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XXJefferson51
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5.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    one week ago

And it seems that rural and small town Hispanic Americans in Texas are turning Republican in large numbers and relatively quickly because of the positive impact of Trump and negative one from “let’s go bran-don”.  

 
 
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