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2024 blowout brewing: Trump 45%-Biden 32%

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  5 years ago  •  94 comments

By:   Paul Bedard

2024 blowout brewing: Trump 45%-Biden 32%
In today’s Rasmussen Reports survey, likely voters picked Trump to beat Biden, 45% to 32% if the election were held today, a gap that is even higher among independents who have become the critical swing group. They chose Trump 47%-20%.

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I n what would be one of the biggest political comebacks in American history, former President Donald Trump has surged into a double digit lead over President Joe Biden in the latest 2024 matchup poll.

In today’s   Rasmussen Reports survey,   likely voters picked Trump to beat Biden, 45% to 32% if the election were held today, a gap that is even higher among independents who have become the critical swing group. They chose Trump 47%-20%.


Added the poll analysis, "Only 69% of those who say they voted for Biden last year would vote for him again if the election were held today. Eight percent (8%) of Biden’s 2020 voters would switch to Trump, who would get 83% support from those who voted for him last year."

The surprising results follow months of bad polls for Biden since his team blundered the withdrawal from Afghanistan and a surge of support for Trump despite continued media obituaries and analysis from liberals that ignore the views of so-called “fly-over” country.

Other polls this week also show that Trump is leading in   some key states   Biden won in 2020, showing that the Republican is also leading in the Electoral College election.

What's more in polls of potential GOP primary opponents, including former Vice President Mike Pence, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Trump leads by miles.

Similar to 2016 surveys that found many voters supportive of Trump but not his sometimes abrasive style, when asked if it is a “good idea” that Trump act on plans to run again, 49% said it was a “bad idea” to 41% who like it. Women especially aren’t eager for Trump to run again, said the survey.

The gap on the “good idea” versus “bad idea” question of running again was much wider for Biden, with just 30% calling his plan to run for reelection a good idea and 56% a bad idea.

On that question, many more Democrats gave Biden a thumbs down. Rasmussen said that 27% of Democrats feel a reelection bid is a bad idea to 55% who like it. And among independents, the spread was 3-to-1 against.

Biden has been on a long fall that was punctuated by Virginia Democratic gubernatorial hopeful Terry McAuliffe’s surprising defeat earlier this month. Since, other Democrats have hinted that they hope Biden doesn’t campaign for them.

What’s more, Democrats have become willing to consider that Biden, who just turned 79, will not run for reelection though they are queasy over the possibility that Vice President Kamala Harris, who is even less popular than Biden, would win the nomination.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

I'll be damned. He, Mr. Biden, seems to be in deep shit. Go figure

Let the naysaying begin!!

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 years ago

The right-wing Rasmussen is 24th out of 28 polls as far as accuracy goes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1    5 years ago

Oh ya, Biden's doing great/S

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.3  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    5 years ago
No, it’s not.  

Pithy comeback.

Do the research.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2  Ronin2    5 years ago

I am all for throwing Biden and the Democrats out of power; but could the Republicans come up with someone other than Trump? I know that Trump is positioning himself for the run; and it seems that the qualified Republicans are standing aside to see what he will do; but I am not a Trump fan. There are others that can get the job done; and will have more standing to confront the Democrats on all their BS.

But if comes down to Trump and any Democrat- it will be Trump. (I will just stock up on antacids, popcorn, and ear plugs). 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Ronin2 @2    5 years ago
but could the Republicans come up with someone other than Trump?

This.

10000 times this.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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2.2  JaneDoe  replied to  Ronin2 @2    5 years ago

I hear you. I’m growing tired of voting for the one who stinks less

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  JaneDoe @2.2    5 years ago

I used to vote for the best candidate regardless of party; mostly went 3rd party truthfully. But with the way things are since Trump was elected, it has to be the lesser of two evils from now on.

Right now the Democrats are unfit to lead at any level. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Ronin2 @2    5 years ago
I am all for throwing Biden and the Democrats out of power; but could the Republicans come up with someone other than Trump?

The thing the Republicans have that Democrats don't is a list of people who have made Democrats into the laughing stock we are dealing with today.  One of them happens to be Donald Trump.  Not only did he embarrass the Democrats but he was far more successful in 4 years than most of them have been in their entire careers.  But on the other hand there are some good contenders as well that have handed it to the Democrats time and again like DeSantis and Abbott.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3.1  Ronin2  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.3    5 years ago

I would take a moderate Democrat that jumped ship like Manchin in a heartbeat. Even Tulsi Gabbard would be a breath of fresh air; and might keep us from doing "stupid shit" in foreign military affairs.

Neither are traditional Republicans- but then neither is Trump.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.3.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.1    5 years ago

I think I would have had a hard time deciding if Tulsi had gotten the nod. She was one of THE best dems on those debate stages.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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2.3.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.1    5 years ago
I would take a moderate Democrat that jumped ship like Manchin in a heartbeat.

I really hope he runs.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3.4  Ronin2  replied to  Jack_TX @2.3.3    5 years ago

So do I; but it seems unlikely that either will run- much the less as Republicans. 

At this point I am just look for alternatives. Someone in the Republican Party needs to step up and soon; before Trump becomes a lock for the nomination. (Not looking at you Liz Cheney; never ever at you).

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.4  Sunshine  replied to  Ronin2 @2    5 years ago
but could the Republicans come up with someone other than Trump?

I think they could.  They have a better bench than the Democrats.  

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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3  Nowhere Man    5 years ago

Trump is an ass and a cad, but he is a much better presidential choice than ol joe ever hopes of being....

Even such he still won't get my vote...

 
 
 
squiggy
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4  squiggy    5 years ago

Are we gonna have to watch the left do that shit again? That primary thingy?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Anyone who votes for Trump in 2024 will be in disgrace for the rest of their lives. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    5 years ago

Trump is bad; but Biden is a thousand times worse. There is no defense of Biden or the Democrats at any level.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Democrats, at least progressives, can't govern. They've turned the richest city in America into a a feces covered homeless camp.  Organized looting of businesses has become an industry and revolving prison doors result in terrorists murdering people at parades.  Most Americans don't want to live in a third world country, which is what progressives over them. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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6.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    5 years ago
Democrats, at least progressives, can't govern.

No ideologues can.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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7  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

One of the progressives who wrote the book "The Emerging Democratic Majority" that so many Democrats took to mean they could go batshit crazy and would still win because of race has sounded the alarm. He recognizes how badly  Democrats have alienated normal people and published a guide for Democrats to stay relevant. Nothing demonstrates how far gone the Democrats are as much as these statements are now outside the mainstream of Democratic orthodoxy:

  • Equality of opportunity is a fundamental American principle; equality of outcome is not.
  • America is not perfect but it is good to be patriotic and proud of the country.
  • Discrimination and racism are bad but they are not the cause of all disparities in American society.
  • No one is completely without bias but calling all white people racists who benefit from white privilege and American society a white supremacist society is not right or fair.
  • America benefits from the presence of immigrants and no immigrant, even if illegal, should be mistreated. But border security is still important, as is an enforceable system that fairly decides who can enter the country.
  • Police misconduct and brutality against people of any race is wrong and we need to reform police conduct and recruitment. But crime is a real problem so more and better policing is needed for public safety. That cannot be provided by “defunding the police”.
  • There are underlying differences between men and women but discrimination on the basis of gender is wrong.
  • There are basically two genders but people who want to live as a gender different from their biological sex should have that right and not be discriminated against. However, there are issues around child consent to transitioning and participation in women’s sports that are complicated and not settled.
  • Racial achievement gaps are bad and we should seek to close them. However, they are not due just to racism and standards of high achievement should be maintained for people of all races.
  • Language policing has gone too far; by and large, people should be able to express their views without fear of sanction by employer, school, institution or government. Good faith should be assumed, not bad faith.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8  TᵢG    5 years ago

My nightmare in 2015 was that Hillary and Trump would emerge as the 2016 nominees.    My nightmare now is that Biden and Trump will emerge as the 2024 nominees.

 
 
 
cjcold
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8.1  cjcold  replied to  TᵢG @8    5 years ago

The far-right wing propaganda machine lied long, hard and repeatedly about Hillary and Joe.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  cjcold @8.1    5 years ago

That has nothing to do with my position on Hillary (or Biden).

 
 
 
GregTx
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8.2  GregTx  replied to  TᵢG @8    5 years ago

I don't think that will happen. Perhaps I'm being optimistic but I just can't see it...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  GregTx @8.2    5 years ago
I don't think that will happen.

I do not either.   See @9.1

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.2.2    5 years ago

I do not either.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @8.2.3    5 years ago

It likely depends on two things. If Biden is actually "declining" , as his enemies on the right have been saying for a few years now without much actual evidence, then I think it would be impossible to run again in 3 years. 

The other deciding factor would be the outcome of the mid term elections. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.4    5 years ago

I think it is a strategic blunder for the D party to promote Biden for a second term.   Even if his presidency turns around, he is just too old.   Nobody that old should be in such a position of responsibility.    IMO a PotUS should be in their late 40's→ early 60's.   Further, if he does run again, he damn well needs to get a VP running mate who would be a suitable PotUS.    The idea of a president Harris is not pleasant.   Sticking with Harris could give the election to the Rs (and if they run Trump, ...).

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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8.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  TᵢG @8    5 years ago
My nightmare in 2015 was that Hillary and Trump would emerge as the 2016 nominees.    My nightmare now is that Biden and Trump will emerge as the 2024 nominees.

I think it was everyone's nightmare, That was an election Trump was destined to win with the baggage Hillary was carrying around with her... The real shame is the numbers said Bernie was the man he would have beaten all comers handily... but then he was an outsider, Hillary wasn't...

Biden-Trump will be a repeat of Hillary-Trump although it's WAAAAY to early to even speculate...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.1  TᵢG  replied to  Nowhere Man @8.3    5 years ago

I'd rather think happy thoughts.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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8.3.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.1    5 years ago

Me too, and right now Unknown R - Unknown D is about as happy as I can get... (at least it's a lot less stressful)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @8.3    5 years ago
That was an election Trump was destined to win with the baggage

Ridiculous. Trump had far more baggage, not the least of which was that he was already known far and wide as a pathological liar. The idea that Trump should have been a viable "default" choice in the 2016 election is nothing short of bizarre. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.4  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @8.3.3    5 years ago

I think Hillary's flaws were better known.   Trump's flaws were mostly overlooked because he was seen as the anti-career-politician and people liked that change.   The degree of Trump's flaws were more exposed during his presidency and then made crystal clear to anyone capable of objective reasoning with his Big Lie campaign to steal the election.

That said, Hillary was still positioned to win and likely lost due to very timely emotional shifts due to Comey.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.3.5  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @8.3.4    5 years ago
Trump's flaws were mostly overlooked because he was seen as the anti-career-politician and people liked that change.   The degree of Trump's flaws were more exposed during his presidency and then made crystal clear to anyone capable of objective reasoning with his Big Lie campaign to steal the election.

Trump's flaws were known , before the 2016 election, to anyone who cared to look. He was on trial at the time for defrauding dozens of people out of their life savings with his "Trump University" scam for petes sake. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @8.3.5    5 years ago

John, you know the level of research the electorate does;  it is largely limited to what they hear from easy sources and from their circles.   People cling to a few notions and run with them.

My point is that the Big Lie is sooooo blatant that everyone with a functioning mind can see that Trump is a lying narcissist who would trash the integrity of his office and that of the USA to get what he wants.    

There is no excuse to support this miserable character for any position of power.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.3.8  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.3.7    5 years ago

That is irrational.   There are plenty of GOP members who you would find better than Biden.   Supporting Trump is intentionally bypassing people who are suitable to hold the office of PotUS and seeking to put into office a person who has demonstrated that he will trash on the nation if it serves his interest.   Unpatriotic.

Also, your description of Biden is ridiculous;  it is juvenile and includes exaggerations and lies.     The same kind of labeling that Trump would do.   And the "Fuck You Biden" touch that you constantly repeat expresses christian values nicely.

 
 
 
JBB
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10  JBB    5 years ago

If you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers.

 
 
 
charger 383
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11  charger 383    5 years ago

I don't think Trump or Biden will be healthy enough to run

 
 
 
TᵢG
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11.1  TᵢG  replied to  charger 383 @11    5 years ago

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Thomas
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12  Thomas    5 years ago

Seems like this survey speaks to two things clearly: One is that the American voter has an extremely short memory and attention span, and Two is that the messaging (propaganda) being put out by the Republican Fog Machine is more resonant than that of the Democratic Fog Machine. 

Just over a year ago, a majority of people who voted in the presidential election picked Biden over the alternative. I don't know about most voters, but this voter would have voted for a cold bag of spit rather than let the countries highest official continue to drag the office and its associations through the mud. His conduct was so egregious that a whole lot of people must have felt similarly. So now the pollsters are saying that Biden is not as popular? Has to be mass amnesia. I like Biden and feel that he has done a reasonably good job as president, especially looking at the hand he was dealt by the Republican voters (who turned out to turn out the last guy) right off the bat. At least he got an infrastructure deal passed and signed into law. 

Personally, I will be glad when I do not have to hear that name ever again. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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13  Kavika     5 years ago
And we will be willing and ready to crawl over broken glass to be able to vote him back in again to bring back pre pandemic normal to America again.  

How nice of you to volunteer others to engage in S&M. I'd pay to watch that shit show. 

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