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Fallen NYPD Det. Jason Rivera's grieving widow calls out Manhattan DA Bragg in heartbreaking eulogy

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  4 years ago  •  147 comments

By:   Stephanie Pagones (Fox News)

Fallen NYPD Det. Jason Rivera's grieving widow calls out Manhattan DA Bragg in heartbreaking eulogy
NEW YORK CITY - The grieving widow of slain NYPD Det. Jason Rivera called out New York City's newly elected district attorney and a system that "continues to fail us" during her heartbreaking eulogy at her fallen husband's Friday funeral.

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NEW YORK CITY - The grieving widow of slain NYPD Det. Jason Rivera called out New York City's newly elected district attorney and a system that "continues to fail us" during her heartbreaking eulogy at her fallen husband's Friday funeral.

Dominique Luzuriaga Rivera fought tears as she recalled growing up with and ultimately marrying her longtime love and the moments that their lives changed forever. Rivera, only 22, was shot and killed just one week earlier while he and his partner, Officer Wilbert Mora, were responding to a domestic violence call.

Rivera was posthumously promoted to Detective First Grade. Mora, who was shot in the head, died several days after the shooting.

"The system continues to fail us," Rivera said. "We are not safe anymore. Not even the members of the service."

Rivera went on to talk about how her husband was "tired of these laws, especially the ones from the new D.A."

The newly elected New York City district attorney, Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg, announced in one of his first days in office that he would be applying less stringent policies for prosecuting certain crimes. He later clarified the controversial memo, saying it gave the "wrong impression."

During her speech on Friday, Rivera said she hoped the newly minted D.A. was "watching you speak through me right now."

Bragg was in the audience at the time, Fox News has confirmed.In a statement provided via email to Fox News shortly thereafter, he said he is "grieving and praying for Detective Rivera and Officer Mora today and every day."

"My thoughts are with their families and the NYPD. Violence against police officers will never be tolerated. My office will vigorously prosecute cases of violence against police and work to prevent senseless acts like this from ever happening again."

"I'm sure all of our blue family is tired too," Rivera continued. "But I promise, we promise, that your death won't be in vain."

Rivera said her husband would have been "so happy" to see the crowds honoring him "through pain and sorrow."

Before she stepped down from the podium, she added: "I promise, we promise that your death won't be in vain. I love you to the end of time. We'll take the watch from here."

Earlier in the ceremony, Police Commissioner Keechant Sewell posthumously promoted Rivera to Detective First Grade.

"Only 22 years, Jason found the woman and the career of his dreams. Many don't accomplish that in their entire lifetimes," Sewell said. "He was a man of unbounded generosity, humble heart. He showed us how to be better. His selfless acts of humility have been remembered over the past week."

Sewell added: "His loss is extremely difficult. For us all to bear. Jason rose to every challenge that crossed his path. He was everything the city and the NYPD needed him to be."


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

DAN CRENSHAW:

" It does look like New York is in for some better leadership, a major upgrade from de Blasio, that's pretty obvious. We need some similar upgrades here in the Houston area. So as you reported, we had three officers shot this week. Officer Galloway was murdered by an illegal immigrant out here in this country illegally the week before that. And what's the root cause of this? Well, it's leftist ideology. So leftist ideology fundamentally does two things it punishes success while accommodating bad behavior out of some false sense of compassion. And that manifests in lenient DA's, lenient judges, lenient prosecutors that are soft on crime and will let violent criminals out. And there's the Houston Chronicle report, there's well over 100 cases where a criminal, a violent criminal, was let out, maybe on some kind of low bail or just let out without bail and then went on to commit murder, not just another violent crime, but murder. Well over a hundred cases. Then this is happening all across the country. You're seeing crime spike. And so the root cause is leftist ideology. We need to address that root cause and actually put people away in prison when they commit violent offenses. It really is that simple. And if the left really believed in compassion, that compassion would extend to the victims that keep getting killed, whether those victims are police officers or whether those victims are civilians."

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    4 years ago

On the day that NYC was burying one of our best, in the week where several police were killed and shot by thugs, CNN decided it was a good time to have an interview with a black man that says he was stopped by police for no reason.  CNN has blood on their hands.  What media says matters.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    4 years ago

There is nothing I can say that comes close to what PO Rivera's widow said:

“Although you won’t be here anymore, I want you to live through me. This system continues to fail us. We are not safe anymore, not even the members of the service. I know you were tired of these laws, especially the ones from the new DA. I hope he’s watching you speak through me right now,” Dominique Luzuriaga told mourners at St. Patrick’s Cathedral as they gave her a standing ovation. 

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Jasper2529
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2.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 years ago

At a very young age, Dominique Luzuriaga has shown that she has the brave American spine that Alvin Bragg and those of his Soros-funded ilk can only dream of having.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.1    4 years ago

That was a very moving moment. She not only spoke for her husband but for all of us!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    4 years ago

Well, not for "all of us", but she did speak for those of us who believe in law and order.

As Luzuriaga delivered the emotionally charged remarks, Bragg was in the audience listening, law enforcement sources said. He also attended Rivera’s wake Thursday night but his family walked into the back so they didn’t have to sit with him and later in the evening, someone told the embattled DA that the family wouldn’t be coming out until he left.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.3    4 years ago

Do you think the DA can learn from it?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    4 years ago
Do you think the DA can learn from it?

I doubt it. Based upon his CV, he's allegedly an "educated" man. He graduated from NYC;s highly selective K-12 Trinity School, Harvard (BA, government), and Harvard Law School. From what I've read about him, his definition of violent crimes is very different than what many others believe. 

On January 4, he announced that his office would no longer prosecute low-level offenses such as  fare evasion ,  resisting arrest ,  prostitution , or cannabis-related misdemeanors unless accompanied by a felony charge. He also announced that his office would seek lesser charges for burglaries and store robberies where the offender "displays a dangerous instrument but does not create a genuine risk of physical harm." [14]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.5    4 years ago

One of the lessons of 2021 for the rest of us, was to never trust people based on credentials.  We aren't really educating people anymore. From now on they'll have to earn the trust.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3  Thomas    4 years ago

It seems to be quite the shame that some, instead of using tragedy to gather and bring one another together in solace, instead use the the emotional effects to drive in wedges of hate and mistrust and to hang blame upon one or more groups of people. 

This tragedy cannot be directly related to "the Leftist Ideology". The man who perpetrated the crime was not on bail or parole, and the weapon he used was reported stolen several years prior in Baltimore, where he lived until last November. And he is dead now also.

This tragedy points to what some people do not want to acknowledge: There are too many guns in America and too many people who have those guns do stupid things with them. This overabundance of guns,and not a "Liberal Ideology", in short, is the predicate for stories such as this one.

Get your facts straight, Vic.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Thomas @3    4 years ago

I agree, too many criminals have to many illegally owned guns.    Police that problem, fix the problem.    No need to throw the baby out with the bath water and punish legal gun owners.   That said make up your mind.

It seems to be quite the shame that some, instead of using tragedy to gather and bring one another together in solace, instead use the the emotional effects to drive in wedges of hate and mistrust and to hang blame upon one or more groups of people. 


The left can’t have their cake and eat it to ..... George Floyd, etc, etc.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Sparty On @3.1    4 years ago

Really? What flavor was George Floyd's Cake?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Thomas @3.1.1    4 years ago

You tell me.

 
 
 
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3.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Thomas @3.1.1    4 years ago

The left has always been soft on crime  and has deified George Floyd.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2  Ronin2  replied to  Thomas @3    4 years ago
It seems to be quite the shame that some, instead of using tragedy to gather and bring one another together in solace, instead use the the emotional effects to drive in wedges of hate and mistrust and to hang blame upon one or more groups of people. 

Welcome to BLM, Antifa, and Democrats. Where have you been? "Defund the police" ring any bells? Riots all across the US that resulted in arson, looting, assault, and multiple deaths. They were all claimed to be righteous by the Democrats and left. They were angry. They had a right to lash out. But blame the victim in this instance because she had the temerity to speak the truth about Democrat DA's that don't enforce the law.

This tragedy cannot be directly related to "the Leftist Ideology". The man who perpetrated the crime was not on bail or parole.

How about he was out on probation? Care to try that on for size? 

The man who allegedly ambushed and shot two NYPD officers —  one fatally — in Harlem Friday is a convicted felon who was on probation at the time, authorities said.

The alleged gunman was on probation for a 2003 felony narcotics conviction in New York City, Essig said.

He also had several prior arrests outside of the Big Apple.

In 1998, he was arrested in South Carolina for unlawful possession of a weapon. The matter was later dismissed, records show.

McNeil was then busted for assaulting a police officer in Pennsylvania in 2002, Essig said.

In 2003, he was arrested twice in Pennsylvania, once on a felony drug charge and also on a misdemeanor narcotics charge.

Care to explain why he was out on the street? His record showed he was more than capable of violence. I am sure that it was conservatives let him out./S

and the weapon he used was reported stolen several years prior in Baltimore, where he lived until last November.

Yet somehow it was in his possession- what are the chances he stole them? Here is a hint, criminals will never obey gun laws no matter how restrictive they are. The only goal of restrictive gun laws is to infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. 

And he is dead now also.

Are we supposed to be sad? He killed two officers in cold blood, and would have killed a third had the officer not reacted quickly enough. At least he won't be able to kill anyone else. Can't say the same about the rest of the criminals that are being released for anything short of murder with no bail. Why do Democrats do love criminals.

This tragedy points to what some people do not want to acknowledge: There are too many guns in America and too many people who have those guns do stupid things with them. This overabundance of guns,and not a "Liberal Ideology", in short, is the predicate for stories such as this one.

Guns don't kill people. Criminals that moronic Democrats release kill people with guns. It has everything to do with liberal ideology.

Get your facts straight, Vic.

How about you get the facts first?

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.1  Thomas  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2    4 years ago

Oh, Boo-hoo-hoo. The big bad putty-tat gonna get me.

I don't recall saying that the killer was a saint, just that the FACTS do not support the argument at hand that Fox (gets the facts wrong again) and Vic and YOU seem to be trying to make that the "Liberal Ideology" is to blame for these specific murders. As long as that is your collective argument, you are dead wrong. You cannot draw that conclusion because the evidence does not support it.

He was not on probation, the Post has the facts wrong. Big surprise there. At first he was thought to have been on probation, but that was later corrected, in the NYTimes at least. What is the most recent of those criminal activities?  2003? That is 18 years ago. Care to explain why you think that, prior to the murders, he should have been incarcerated? Hint: You have to commit a crime to be incarcerated in the US. Or is that just one of those "Liberal Ideologies"? The Daily News has a short article on trying to figure out why he would do such a horrendous thing. Short answer so far is he was mentally disturbed, though no clinical diagnosis of mental illness (as of the stories publication) has been found.

So, you have no justifiable cause to say that this news story points to "Liberal Ideology" as the cause for this tragedy. But that does not stop some from using any "bad news" against their favorite windmill. What I am saying is look at the facts, not at the fluff, and get the real story, whatever that may be and however inconvenient to me, you, Republican, Democrat, liberal, conservative, libertarian or anyone else. That is how we need to find things out and then act upon them. We seem to have that last bit backwards and try to cram everything into our own little preconceived notion of how the world should be instead of looking at the how and why as it exists and going from there. 

For example:

Guns don't kill people. Criminals that moronic Democrats release kill people with guns. It has everything to do with liberal ideology.

You are part of the problem and you cannot find the solution as long as you remain wedded to this stupid partisan ideology. IMO, of course.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.1    4 years ago

He pulled the trigger because he feared no one. Why? Because progressives have instilled in his mind that there won't be much punishment and the cops are racist.

IF YOU ARE A PROGRESSIVE, YOU OWN IT.

BTW as far as you accusing people of being overly frightened, you do so behind a computer screen.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.3  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.2    4 years ago
BTW as far as you accusing people of being overly frightened, you do so behind a computer screen.

So are you behind your computer screen, and I don't recall saying that people were overly frightened. What, pray tell, is your point?

He pulled the trigger because he feared no one. Why? Because progressives have instilled in his mind that there won't be much punishment and the cops are racist.

Prove it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @3.2.3    4 years ago
So are you behind your computer screen, and I don't recall saying that people were overly frightened. What, pray tell, is your point?

I have a few points, beginning with your "boo-hoo-hoo: That would be you living off the protection that over 200 years of first world policing has extended to you. Another point I'd like to make is that I haven't seen one of our resident lefties offer a single word of regret for the lost lives of these brave men (minority cops in this case), who stand between these animals and the rest of us.


Prove it. 

The all time record of murdered cops proves it. 

YOU OWN IT!

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.5  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    4 years ago
YOU OWN IT!

Ha ha ha ha.  No, I don't.  And "The all time record of murdered cops proves it." does not prove anything in and of itself. Try again, this time using facts and data and something besides bare assertion. 

My Boo-hoo-hoo was to Ronin2. 

I believe that I have said that this whole episode was a tragedy.  Again, you let your vision be clouded by partisanship [deleted]

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2    4 years ago
Criminals that moronic Democrats release

Democrats, huh?

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.8  Thomas  replied to  Kathleen @3.2.7    4 years ago

For sake of clarity, my comment was directed at Ronin2. 

It is a terrible thing to have someone you love taken from you. I cannot imagine the pain she and those close to her are feeling. That does not directly equate with the specifics of her condemnation of the liberal policies that she, and by extension, her husband, blame for his death. 

He was a police officer, and as a police officer had a certain outlook on life that was colored by his day to day activities and people he was surrounded by. This perception was his. Everyone tries to make sense of the world and they have no other way to do that then by their direct experience of life. So we all have opinions based on perceptions that are unique to us. The trick is know when any one of these perceptions may be not wholly correct so that we can adjust our thinking to accommodate reality, instead of trying to make reality fit our opinions. Trying to make reality fit our opinions is what I observe most people trying to do everyday. In this specific case, I do not know of any evidence that directly links the "progressive Ideology" to this horrific incident. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    4 years ago

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Thomas
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3.2.10  Thomas  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.9    4 years ago
Denial can be a very strong phycological disfunction.  The left has that trick down pat .......

You seem to be doing pretty well at it. That and deflection.

Why not bring some substantive material to the table instead of continuing with your Left/Right talking point, [deleted]

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.11  Sparty On  replied to  Thomas @3.2.10    4 years ago
Why not bring some substantive material to the table instead of continuing with your Left/Right talking point, trollish behavior?

Already have, 3.1 above.    Perhaps you missed it.

Solution offered and no counterpoint from you.   If that is trolling to you, I can’t help you no matter what I say.

So stop with the denial and projection and have an honest conversation .... or not.    I could care less either way.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.2.12  Thomas  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.11    4 years ago

You gave your Opinion:

I agree, too many criminals have to many illegally owned guns.    Police that problem, fix the problem.    No need to throw the baby out with the bath water and punish legal gun owners.   

I happen to agree with your statement of opinion, but I would like to amend the first sentence: I agree, too many people have to many illegally owned guns. Semantically, you could argue that if you have an illegal gun, you are, by definition, a criminal, but I am willing to let the courts decide that. The hodgepodge of gun laws throughout the US makes it problematic to call everyone who happens to have an illegal gun a criminal. In short, I feel that there are just far too many guns out there period.

That said make up your mind.

It seems to be quite the shame that some, instead of using tragedy to gather and bring one another together in solace, instead use the the emotional effects to drive in wedges of hate and mistrust and to hang blame upon one or more groups of people. 


The left can’t have their cake and eat it to ..... George Floyd, etc, etc.

This is known as "whataboutism" and is an attempt to derail the conversation. I did not raise these topics in my post and was trying to point out that, while horrible and tragic, the death of these specific officers are not related to any "Liberal Ideology". Further, the attempt to tie this event to a liberal ideology was logically flawed in its premise, no matter the messenger. 

You are speaking with me and I am speaking with you, figuratively anyway. I am not a monolithic mass and neither are you or the other individuals who identify as human. My mind can be changed and my opinions are just that, my opinions. I prefer to use this site to look at and learn from others experiences and perceptions. I am striving to continually update my understanding of the events which shape our world. 

So stop with the denial and projection and have an honest conversation .... or not.    I could care less either way.

"I know you are, but what am I," is not a good look to the discerning reader.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.13  Sparty On  replied to  Thomas @3.2.12    4 years ago
In short, I feel that there are just far too many guns out there period.

I disagree with that opinion.   It’s a small percentage of those guns that will ever be used illegally and an even smaller percentage of legally owned guns that will be used illegally.    I don’t expect you to agree but that doesn’t change that fact.


The left can’t have their cake and eat it to ..... George Floyd, etc, etc.
This is known as "whataboutism" and is an attempt to derail the conversation. I did not raise these topics in my post and was trying to point out that, while horrible and tragic, the death of these specific officers are not related to any "Liberal Ideology". Further, the attempt to tie this event to a liberal ideology was logically flawed in its premise, no matter the messenger. 

Nah, it’s spot on.    [deleted sweeping generalization]

"I know you are, but what am I," is not a good look to the discerning reader.

[deleted, meta]

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.14  Ronin2  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.6    4 years ago

Yes, moronic, criminal loving, Democrats.

Let’s take convicted criminals for example. Under the HEROES Act, police officers would receive some job security by  convicted criminals being released  back onto the streets. The bill would provide that any convicted prisoner over the age of 50 would be released, their underlying offense notwithstanding.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- With little notice, California on Saturday is increasing early release credits for 76,000 inmates, including violent and repeat felons, as it further trims the population of what once was the nation’s largest state correctional system. More than 63,000 inmates convicted of violent crimes will be eligible for good behavior credits that shorten their sentences by one-third instead of the one-fifth that had been in place since 2017.

Hundreds of inmates were released from Riker's Island in New York City to prevent the spread of the coronavirus in the prison. Officials knew the risks. And those fears have been realized, hundreds of times. New reporting from Melissa Russo reveals that at least 250 prisoners out of the 2,500 who were released early have gone on to commit at least 450 more crimes. "The NYPD is not happy," Russo said, somewhat understatedly.

A person convicted of a felony for stealing a car may have that conviction reduced to a misdemeanor if the vehicle was worth no more than $950, the California Supreme Court decided unanimously Thursday.

The decision came in a case interpreting Proposition 47, a 2014 ballot measure that reduced felonies for certain drug and theft crimes to misdemeanors.

Two years before the measure’s passage, Timothy Wayne Page was convicted of violating a law that makes taking or driving a vehicle without the owner’s consent a felony.

The state’s highest court, in a decision written by Justice Leondra R. Kruger, said Proposition 47 allows Page to have his felony vehicle conviction reduced to a misdemeanor if he can show the vehicle’s value was $950 or less.

A San Bernardino County judge ordered Page to prison for nearly 11 years for taking the vehicle, resisting an officer and resisting while driving dangerously. The sentence also reflected the fact that Page had prior felonies.

Thursday’s decision overturned rulings by lower courts.

Proposition 47 sparked myriad court disputes about exactly which crimes could be considered misdemeanors.

So far, the California Supreme Court has interpreted the measure broadly, citing the wording of the ballot proposal and voters’ intent.

New York City has dropped charges on hundreds of alleged looters, many of whom were caught on video smashing windows, stealing goods, and setting businesses on fire.

In late May and early June 2020, looters smashed storefronts in the Bronx and Manhattan boroughs of New York City.

Many were caught on tape, some with their faces visible. Others even posted their own videos of their actions those nights on social media. Hundreds were arrested.

But a review of NYPD data by the investigative team at WNBC, the NBC owned station in New York, shows that a large percentage of the cases — particularly in the Bronx — were dismissed, and that many convictions were for counts like trespassing that carry no jail time.

. . . . According to the data, 118 arrests were made in the Bronx during the worst of the looting in early June.

Since then, the NYPD says the Bronx district attorney and the courts have dismissed most of those cases — 73 in all. Eighteen cases remain open and there have been 19 convictions for mostly lesser counts like trespassing, counts which carry no jail time.

Betancourt, who is also vice president of a local merchants ‘association, called the numbers “disgusting.” She said local business leaders are upset few are being held accountable for the destruction they caused.

. . . . The NYPD data shows there were 485 arrests in Manhattan. Of those cases, 222 were later dropped and 73 resulted in convictions for lesser counts like trespassing, which carries no jail time. Another 40 cases involved juveniles and were sent to family court; 128 cases remain open.

The lack of consequences for lawless looters and rioters—many of whom were released the same day of their arrests, free to return to the streets—is an outrage not only to local business owners but to law enforcement experts.

NBC News continues:

Law enforcement expert and former NYPD Chief of Patrol Wilbur Chapman voiced anger at prosecutors for dropping so many looting and burglary cases.

“If they are so overworked that they can’t handle the mission that they’re hired for, then maybe they should find another line of work,” Chapman said.

The NYPD did set up a task force after the riots to examine videos and photos to separate suspected rioters from peaceful protesters. That work shares similarities with what the FBI is doing in making hundreds of arrests after the riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Care to come up with another Republican that sold out? I didn't even scratch the surface of the stupidity that criminal loving Democrats have inflicted.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.14    4 years ago

What unbiased sources you've chosen.

And you're equating releasing prisoners who are elderly, medically compromised, or pregnant during a pandemic with releasing prisoners whose families had fundraisers for the governor who granted their pardons?

Excellent.

You neglected to include that The Western Journal (far right) reported further down in your link that

Here’s the thing, though: Barr had already introduced an initiative to release some federal prisoners to home confinement .

Is Barr a Democrat?

Care to come up with another Republican that sold out?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.15    4 years ago
What unbiased sources you've chosen.

The sources that are ALLOWED HERE ON NT!!!!!!!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.17  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.16    4 years ago

And?  They're still rated as extremely biased and questionable based on poor reporting of facts.  And I'm always going to call out bias.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.17    4 years ago
And? 

You guys set the rules. I never voted for MBFC to be the standard around here. So if the standard allows it, you shouldn't be dismissing it. Beyond that you should be setting the example here.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.4    4 years ago
I haven't seen one of our resident lefties offer a single word of regret for the lost lives of these brave men (minority cops in this case), who stand between these animals and the rest of us.

Needed said again.  Especially given the left laying population of NT.

At any rate, I don't expect any of the lefties offer condolences.  Most of them would probably celebrate or go online and complain about the size of the attendees of the funeral like some garbage level "celebrity" has.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.18    4 years ago

I didn't dismiss MBFC.  Had I dismissed MBFC, I'd have asked for the sources to be disallowed. I did not. I simply stated that the sources were biased, and they are.  There is no reason for me not to call out bias.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.23  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.22    4 years ago
I didn't dismiss MBFC. 

You know exactly what I meant. You dismissed The Western Journal, which is allowed by MBFC.

What you consider bias is subjective. Dispute the Journal's facts or disprove them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.21    4 years ago

And they think I'm mean.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.25  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.23    4 years ago

I called it biased, and it is. I'm not going to sugar-coat.  I also reported a quote from it, which is decidedly not dismissing it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.26  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.25    4 years ago
I called it biased, and it is.

I disagree.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.27  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.26    4 years ago

And you aren’t alone.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.2.29  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.28    4 years ago

Once again, you are wrong.

SOSDD

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.30  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.24    4 years ago

That's because you don't share their "ideals".  So naturally your mean, a racist, a bigot, etc.  All you're missing are the mean tweets and some will post seed after seed about you.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.31  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.26    4 years ago

Disagree all you like, Vic.  It makes not one iota of difference.  Quoting from an article is not dismissing it.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.32  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.22    4 years ago
MBFC

Gee, I got a ticket this month for merely mentioning that site!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.33  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.32    4 years ago

Are you saying Vic should get a ticket?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.34  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.33    4 years ago

Why would I think that? You said it, too! I merely made an observation.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.35  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.34    4 years ago

And according to my observation, the discussion first drifted into meta with Vic's comment.  If you have a complaint, you should flag, but be sure to do so fairly.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.36  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.35    4 years ago
If you have a complaint, you should flag, but be sure to do so fairly.

Speaking of meta ...

Since I've not given any indication of having a complaint, there was no need for me to flag anyone, for you to feel a necessity to explain the process, and for you to caution me on that process.

Please stop making a big deal out of any perceptions that are indicated in your comments to me. Thank you.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.37  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.36    4 years ago

Then why comment?

Oh, right.  Making an observation.  Mmmhmmmm.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.38  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.37    4 years ago
Then why comment? Oh, right.  Making an observation.  Mmmhmmmm.

Actually, I comment because, as a member in good standing, I am allowed to do so. For the second time, I am asking you to stop.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.39  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.38    4 years ago

Jasper, you don't get to show up, make a veiled complaint to me (that's meta, BTW), then tell me to stop talking.  You engaged.  If you don't want me to respond, don't address me in the first place.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.40  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.39    4 years ago

Oh, now I see how this works. Thanks!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.41  Sparty On  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.40    4 years ago

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sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.42  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.41    4 years ago

I'm not sure if you've noticed, Sparty, but this is a group with its own mods.  They can see that Vic veered off into meta.  They can also tell you that I can't ticket here, since I'm commenting, but I also haven't flagged Vic and Jasper's meta, nor yours.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.43  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.42    4 years ago
I'm not sure if you've noticed, Sparty, but this is a group with its own mods.  They can see that Vic veered off into meta.  They can also tell you that I can't ticket here, since I'm commenting, but I also haven't flagged Vic and Jasper's meta, nor yours.

Meta is when you call out a moderator. Btw if this group has it's own moderators, why does it get so much interaction from outside moderators? We have other groups here that flag just about every Conservative comment, via an individual who routinely calls other members "racists" and "white supremacists."  I never see you moderate on those seeds. 

Explain that one? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.44  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.42    4 years ago

Yes, all y’all have that game down pat.    

Respect for having each other’s backs, no respect for the biased moderating/censorship that can and does follow.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.45  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.43    4 years ago

Complaining about the rules is meta, too, Vic.  That's what you did regarding MBFC, while falsely accusing me of not adhering to the rules (also meta).

Your other accusation is just false, as several left-leaning members I've repeatedly suspended can tell you .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.47  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.45    4 years ago

I didn't complain about MBFC. That's your interpretation and you do a lot of that, like ticketing me for asking Krishna about an old post he put up years ago. 

What I actually said was that I never voted for MBFC, yet I accept it. People who question sources allowed under MBFC want to have it both ways.  You've done a lot of flagging of me in 3 days. Maybe it's time you stopped interpreting and decide if you are a participant or a moderator. You can't be both at the same time.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.48  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.44    4 years ago

You think the group mods in a right-leaning group have my back?  Charger and I get along fine, but I don't expect him to protect me, and I think we all know that yhe suggestion the others would is laughable.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.49  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.47    4 years ago

Reporting the bias found by MBFC is not "having it both ways".  MBFC rates bias, and the sources were biased.  Those who seek out biased sources, especially those who are nearly off the end of the scale either way, can expect those biases to be pointed out. They should choose more credible sources.

All moderators here are also participating members. I can't ticket in discussions where I'm participating, but I can flag, as can all members.  I've been flagged by you in discussions on my article where you've participated.  It seems odd for you to complain about me flagging you, when you flag my comments. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.51  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.49    4 years ago
MBFC rates bias, and the sources were biased. 

MBFC even admits that the New York Times is biased. So you set an example to those who follow you of not accepting sources and I can do the same, where will it leave us?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.52  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.49    4 years ago
It seems odd for you to complain about me flagging you, when you flag my comments. 

The difference lies in ticketing, not flagging.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.53  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.50    4 years ago
Isn't that something?  I get flagged constantly by certain members, no matter what I post.  

I'm guessing that you do more flagging than most. Am I right?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.55  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.48    4 years ago
You think the group mods in a right-leaning group have my back?

You know that’s not what I meant but if you really do, you are further gone than I thought and can’t be helped.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.56  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.51    4 years ago

And who is fact checking the fact checkers?    I guess we are just supposed to accept MBFC is a 100% righteous source eh?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.57  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.56    4 years ago

We do accept it, they have to as well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.58  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.54    4 years ago

Remember, I'm not the topic

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.59  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.57    4 years ago

Yep but in reality ..... debatable.   Very debatable.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.60  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.59    4 years ago

All I ask is that the substance of a source stand on it's own.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.64  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.52    4 years ago

I can't ticket in threads where I'm commenting.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.65  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.51    4 years ago

I neverr said I didn't accept the source. I quoted from it.  You are AGAIN putting words in my mouth.  All can see it.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.66  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.55    4 years ago

You replied to my comment about group mods. If you want to change the subject, you must say so. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.67  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.66    4 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.68  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.65    4 years ago

For you and your followers to keep saying that is a form of taunting. Comments like that are dishonest.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
3.2.69  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.68    4 years ago

Your comment is dishonest. If people keep telling you to stop putting words in people's mouths, the problem likely exists with the one complaining about it and calling it taunting.

Also acting like she has a bunch of followers that do her bidding is an attempt to smear her and make her seem bias.

The taunting seems to be coming from you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.70  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @3.2.69    4 years ago

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Ender
Professor Expert
3.2.71  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.70    4 years ago

Such a witty reply....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.72  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @3.2.71    4 years ago

Your comment is dumb.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Expert
3.2.73  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.72    4 years ago

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.74  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.2.38    4 years ago
as a member in good standing,

says who? You get just as many tickets as other "members in good standing"

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
3.2.81  Jasper2529  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.49    4 years ago
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sandy-2021492
Professor Guide
3.2.82  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.68    4 years ago
For you and your followers to keep saying that is a form of taunting.

Doing it is dishonest.  Calling it out isn't.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
3.2.83  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.82    4 years ago

Lol .... the irony in that comment is epic ....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.84  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.82    4 years ago

We'll let you have the last word. I know how much it means to you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.85  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @3.2.83    4 years ago

It's what is known as "sound bites."

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
5  Jasper2529    4 years ago
Rivera went on to talk about how her husband was "tired of these laws, especially the ones from the new D.A."

If Bragg hadn't run a soft-on-crime election campaign, I would have cut him some slack, because he's only been in office for a few weeks. But, since he made it very clear to all NYC voters what his objectives are long before election day, he AND his voters have blood on their hands.

 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

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Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
6.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 years ago

This just in ...

A firefighter in Stockton, CA was shot and killed while responding to a fire 5AM this morning. He was 47. Killer is in custody.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2    4 years ago

And we can only assume that it too will be written off as some kind of social justice......for "systemic racism!"

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

NY teacher fired for calling for  violence against police during the funeral.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 years ago

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass nimrod.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
7.2  JaneDoe  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 years ago
Christopher Flanigan, who taught math at Coney Island Prep, claims his words were 'misconstrued' and that he was only trying to show the 'vulnerability' of the massive crowd of officers who turned out to mourn the rookie cop.

Poor Christopher, so misunderstood. Now you pay for your stupidity with your job!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 years ago

The stupid isn't restricted to just ignorant teachers.

Actress fired after social media rant over NYPD police officer’s funeral that closes streets

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.3    4 years ago

You know the old saying ..... you can’t fix stupid.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @7.3.1    4 years ago

And its' always the fault of somebody else.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.3.3  Jasper2529  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.3    4 years ago

In her video rant, the twit said that NYC cops kill 22-year-olds every day. She's obviously another poster child for an inferior education.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.3.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.3.3    4 years ago
ideo rant, the twit said that NYC cops kill 22-year-olds every day. She's obviously another poster child for an inferior education.

There was a poll last year that revealed half of progressives believe cops kill  1,000 unarmed black people a year.  The actual number was 12.

Their brains have been poisoned by hysteria. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.3.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.3.4    4 years ago
Their brains have been poisoned by hysteria.

It comes from watching/reading only left-wing sources. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
7.3.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.6    4 years ago
A survey produced by Skeptic.com reveals that people who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed black men were murdered by police in 2019.

According to the Washington Post database, that number was 12. The Mapping Police Violence database says the number was 27.  

The survey says among the very liberal, more than 50% believe American law enforcement killed 1,000 or more unarmed black men in 2019. Nearly 8% of the very liberal respondents believe officers killed more than 10,000 unarmed black men in 2019.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.3.4    4 years ago
There was a poll last year that revealed half of progressives believe cops kill  1,000 unarmed black people a year.  The actual number was 12.

You know progressives don't let facts get in the way of their feelings and narrative.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.3.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.3.7    4 years ago

No matter how many times those links and so many others are posted, it won't make a difference.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.3.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.3.9    4 years ago
o matter how many times those links and so many others are posted, it won't make a difference.

100%.  It will play out exactly the same again and again. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.3.7    4 years ago

You know you're going to get ghosted.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.3.13  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.3.10    4 years ago

That's why I don't bother anymore.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.3.16  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.14    4 years ago

I actually read your links, because I didn't know if they might have been the same I'd also posted elsewhere. They were.

I have far left relatives and friends who always ask me to "prove" what I state and still don't understand that I can always support my statements with proof. Like clockwork, they attack either the source or the author instead of debating the content. They're a lot of fun!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.3.17  Sparty On  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.3.7    4 years ago

Crickets hear i .......

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.3.18  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.15    4 years ago

Worker drones must follow the Hives programming..... otherwise they will be lost trying to think for themselves.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.15    4 years ago
"Facts and reality have a liberal bias"

Can't remember who it was, but I do remember some moron making that comment.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3.24  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.22    4 years ago
I'm not ghosting anyone, WTF that means.  

If you don't know what "ghosted" means then that should tell you I'm not talking about you specifically.

You know I'm not the subject of this 'article', right?
Stop making me the subject of this 'article' NOW.

It's cute that you think you are the subject, but reality is, you aren't.  Get over yourself.  You're not that important.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
7.3.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.20    4 years ago

I did and ghosting refers to one disappearing when they ask for proof, are given it, and don't come back and admit they got their respective ass handed to them.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Guide
7.3.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.26    4 years ago

Who are you quoting?  Sure as hell isn't me.  Get your conversations straight then respond appropriately.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Expert
7.3.29  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @7.3.26    4 years ago

Just because you didn't/don't read links does NOT change the fact that yes, yes it did indeed happen. Not sorry.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @7    4 years ago

You'll notice not a single liberal on this site, nor Joe Biden, has condemned this call for violence against police.

That can only mean they support killing police. Sad.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.4    4 years ago

I know, it’s FUBAR

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7.4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @7.4.1    4 years ago

I know, it’s FUBAR

The Governor and New York's Senators have been quiet despite this being all over the news.

They must be afraid to offend their base by condemning violence against police.  That, apparently, is the only explanation. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Guide
7.4.3  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.4.2    4 years ago

Republican gains in November are going to set new records, further exasperating a still sore butthurt from 2016.

Bad dream for them ..... very bad ...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.4.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.4    4 years ago
You'll notice not a single liberal on this site, nor Joe Biden, has condemned this call for violence against police.

Even if Biden's schedule was super-busy last Friday, the least he could have done was to send someone to represent him at the funeral ... even Jill or Hunter. He has another chance this week, for Officer Mora ... but I doubt he's interested. He's more interested in promoting his 10% "infrastructure bill", shopping, ice cream, and his pets.

 
 

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